Jaguar Sales Soar In The United States

The M is at the end of it's product cycle and the GS loses a lot of sales because of how well equipped you can get an ES.

Also, the XF has 2 engine types, and has another on the way... so idk what you are talking about there.

— adamsaf723 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 12:42:07 AM | | Votes: 7   

What I cant figure out is how you justified the buyer driving off the lot in a loaded ES versus a GS. Isnt that like saying buy a loaded DTS because its a better price than a loaded STS?

Two TOTALLY different consumers...

— LACMAN (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 1:26:54 AM | | Votes: -2   

Hey, most smart buyers won't buy a model in its first year, not even a Toyota.

— DieselRules (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 12:14:33 PM | | Votes: 1   

"The GS is in it's 3rd year, the 5-series is in it's 5th year yet you want to compare their sales to a car just released last month."
Keep whining, pumpkin; doesn't change the fact that the japs are getting beat down by the Germans and the Brit.

"Stop being such a tool."
Stop being such a pu55y.

— tattedtwice (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 6:59:41 PM | | Votes: 1   

"Also, the XF has 2 engine types, and has another on the way... so idk what you are talking about there."

Yes, sparky, but my point was both of the jag's engine options are big gas-swilling V8's and that there is no 'economical' base engine choice like with the japs.

— tattedtwice (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 7:04:49 PM | | Votes: 1   

That last sentence made no sense.

— urbansouljah (View Profile)

Posted on 6/3/2008 9:04:49 PM | | Votes: 1   

in your quote

— urbansouljah (View Profile)

Posted on 6/3/2008 9:05:10 PM | | Votes: 1   

It has a winter mode that mimics all wheel drive so its weight and extra fearin g and complexity is un-needed.

— Jagexpert2 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/3/2008 9:06:48 PM | | Votes: 0   

That is what I've heard, but even a "winter mode" on a RWD car might not be the same. Are you sure about that? If so, why hasn't it been more widely publicized?

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 1:32:22 AM | | Votes: 1   

Don't most RWD cars have a "snow mode" that mimicks 4WD (but with only 2 wheels to shift power to, of course)

You're still going to have a hard time climbing a steep icy slope in the middle of January with a RWD car.

— M35MT (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 8:26:55 AM | | Votes: 1   

The winter mode reduces the responsiveness of the throttle to reduce wheel spin. It will help im winter driving but it won't be as effective as awd. If you live in a hilly area with lots of snow, the winter mode might not work well. If you live in a flat area, the winter mode w/ snow tires might be sufficient.

— ym73 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 7:12:35 PM | | Votes: 1   

Wait until you see all the Jaguar Land Rover employees driving Fords and Freelanders trading down to Tata Nano or Indica. (LOL)

— LDMAN (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 1:03:01 AM | | Votes: 5   

Maybe but they came up with X400, made X350 look like X300 without any of the Jag quirks (remember the fuel cap location?) while managing to spend a cool Billion dollars AND most of all GORGEOUS which meant brand euthanasia in Ford speak.!!!

— LDMAN (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 1:08:11 AM | | Votes: 2   

Over the past decade there have certainly been some mistakes at Jaguar, but not all of them are Ford's doing.

The mistake that is definitely Ford's doing is the X-type, which they essentially forced on Jaguar. That abomination did immense damage to Jaguar.

The XJ losing some of its unique features, while remaining too retro is Jaguar's fault. I would also like to add the list of things that were unique and I like but were removed; in addition to the fuel cap location (although you have to know how to fill it, otherwise the jack keeps kicking off the fuel), the reverse opening hood, and the single wiper blade.

— cdoke (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 11:27:15 AM | | Votes: 4   

Not any more the Jaguar right now is the fastest rising Premium car in resale while all the others Like BMW and Lexus and Audi are all falling. I have the article but not on my home computer. I'll post it on Jaguar Newswire tomorrow.

— Jagexpert2 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/3/2008 9:43:54 PM | | Votes: 3   

I believe you but you should know that these articles about resale values don't hold any weight on the real market.
For example Acura TSX was always given as an example of high resale value but in reality their REAL trade in value was always extremely low.
On the other hand BMW resale value was always strong and right now is as strong as ever. As long as you see them offering a 3 series for 330$ a month you can be sure that their resale value is fantastic. Anyway I wish the best for Jaguar.

— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 6/3/2008 10:22:13 PM | | Votes: -4   

Resale has always been low on cars at the high end.
I think they lose their status appeal for the market where that's important.

Works great for me ... I buy them with 100k miles for 1/10th the new cost.

Jag's historical resale was low due to reliability issues due to the materials in the engine seals and other non-metallic parts. That was all fixed in the 1980's but took till the 1990's for word to get around that they were now "modern" cars that don't leak oil after a couple of years.

— DieselRules (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 12:48:37 PM | | Votes: 1   

Here is the article I promised to post last night:

Used-Car Price Decline Slams Luxury Makes
Used-vehicle prices are slumping in the United States, just as cars and trucks coming off lease are crowding the upscale pre-owned market. Luxury international used vehicles now are selling, in some cases, for thousands of dollars less than the automakers expected. For example, last week, BMW AG said it had taken a $372 million charge to reflect falling U.S. resale prices, according to the Automotive News. Sales volume isn't BMW's problem. Jan Ehlen, a spokesman for BMW North America LLC, said the number of BMW vehicles that came off lease between September 2007 and March 2008 rose 50 percent from the year-ago period. Like other automakers, BMW generally leases vehicles for 36 months. So the 2005 models are coming off lease and joining the used-vehicle market now. Ricky Beggs said those cars and trucks are selling for an average wholesale price of $25,607 ? more than $3,000 less than projected. Similarly, the 2005-model Mercedes vehicles had an initial 36-month residual value of $34,472. But the current average wholesale sales price of those vehicles is $29,733 ? more than $4,700 less. The problem is less pronounced for Lexus, Beggs said. Its 3-year-old used cars and trucks are selling for an average wholesale price of $23,571 ? about $1,400 less than their projected residuals, he said. Overall, about 2.2 million off-lease vehicles will join the used-vehicle market this year, CNW Marketing Research predicts. The increased supply of used vehicles and a sagging economy are driving down prices. In March 2008, average wholesale prices of used cars and trucks were 2.4 percent lower than in the year-ago month, ADESA Analytical Services said. Prices of luxury cars dropped 2.5 percent, and prices of luxury SUVs fell 9.3 percent.

— Jagexpert2 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 6:42:11 PM | | Votes: 2   

So true!!

— M35MT (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 8:29:37 AM | | Votes: 1   

But for consumers (us) the lease returns are fantastic deals (especially if you pick them up wholesale)

— DieselRules (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 12:55:10 PM | | Votes: 0   

I don't know where you got your information but I can tell you that you are wrong. BMW makes huge profits from the cars that are lease returns. Yes, BMW resale value is just that good.

— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 3:28:13 PM | | Votes: 0   

Star Read above . BMW's European operation has been supporting its American operation for years

— Jagexpert2 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 8:49:19 PM | | Votes: 2   

Agreed, and a good point. BMW and MB having subverting leases to push volume, and now they are paying for it dearly. The goal should always be profitability first even if you sacrifice volume for it. That is why Audi has been able to avoid some of this fall-out. A 378+ million write-off is just plain a result of greed. No pay the piper.

— VISO (View Profile)

Posted on 6/5/2008 4:36:19 PM | | Votes: 2   

screw that it aint no shaguar. more like faguar you loser

— Lexurious (View Profile)

Posted on 6/5/2008 7:54:28 AM | | Votes: 0   

The Lincoln LS is an S-type. Not the other way around. The LS was launched in 99. It borrowed Jaguar's AJ-V8 which was designed entirely by Jaguar and launched in 96 in the XK8. and used a Jaguar designed suspension. All DEW 98 cars have some Ford parts but all major components are from Jaguar in these cars. The DEW 98 platform was co-developed by Jaguar and Ford. This platform now belongs entirely to Jaguar.

— urbansouljah (View Profile)

Posted on 6/4/2008 8:39:06 PM | | Votes: 1