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Jaguar’s Stunning New Make or Break Car

kalikat submitted on 10/05/2007 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 1:45 PM
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Tags: 2009 Jaguar, Jaguar XF, new Jaguar, Frankfurt Auto Show introductions, Swallow Sidecar Company, luxury sedans, performance sedans

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monkeyrun - 10/5/2007 2:30:03 PM

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3...2...1... Design copied by Huyndai and Kia.

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Bmw8ter - 10/6/2007 11:56:30 PM

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That front fascia has Maserati Quattroporte written all over it.....Jaguar aspires to be the best, not the rest.

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Porschinator - 10/5/2007 4:04:02 PM

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Besides the "Made in Japan" type front end the rear also looks like a cross between the last Honda Accord and Astin Martin merge. Does not look that bad but a big departure for Jaguar. New Caddy CTS is the new kid on the block.

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EL34allroad - 10/6/2007 10:17:22 AM

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The new CTS proves that the 'Art & Science' design language can't really be applied to a small sedan. The grille and front fascia is much too busy and ostentatious. The cabin design and driving dynamics, however, more than make up for the exterior.

Hyundai - 10/6/2007 12:54:29 PM

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More like EL34FWD-SummerRadials because that comment was driving on slippery ice and landed yourself in a ditch.

The best thing about the CTS is its exterior. Its design is epic!

Larry - 10/5/2007 5:07:52 PM

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looks great, if the the current XJ looked like this then jaguar would make money.

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dwatson - 10/5/2007 5:10:12 PMView My AgentSpace

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I want to like this car but it's clearly a Mondeo.

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cdoke - 10/5/2007 5:28:36 PMView My AgentSpace

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The X-type is the Mondeo you imbecile.

dwatson - 10/5/2007 7:35:15 PMView My AgentSpace

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no the new one.

cdoke - 10/5/2007 7:39:38 PMView My AgentSpace

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No, the X-type is built on the Mondeo platform.

Jagexpert2 - 10/5/2007 8:00:57 PMView My AgentSpace

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this shares Zero OOOOOOOOOOOOOo parts with any Ford its an all new car dumbass

mini22 - 10/5/2007 6:23:50 PM

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This is a nice car. I hope its in time to save Jaguar. I also hope Tata Motors doesn't buy it.

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EnnNorak - 10/5/2007 8:01:46 PM

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No Ford Mondeo is going to save Jaguar before it's sold off to a company in a former British colony.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 11:13:13 AMView My AgentSpace

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THIS IS NOT BASED ON THE FORD MONDEO.

autopro - 10/5/2007 7:50:57 PMView My AgentSpace

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It takes more than looks to make a car sell.Jaguar always had great styling its the rest of the car thats a P.O.S.Their dealer network is also a mess.You can put a fork in them their done!

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Jagexpert2 - 10/5/2007 8:01:58 PMView My AgentSpace

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what the F do you know. The dealers are fine. I make plenty of money. more than you I would guess

Jagexpert2 - 10/5/2007 8:02:37 PMView My AgentSpace

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I get to see the car in the meatal on Tuesday i will fill you in

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Jagexpert2 - 10/5/2007 8:02:54 PMView My AgentSpace

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Oops I meant metal

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lyonboy - 10/5/2007 10:33:05 PM

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This car is NOTHING special. This car will not save Jaguar. Jaguar is producing BLAH unreliable cars. Let us hope its new owners are more imaginative.

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S4cabriofoxone - 10/5/2007 10:36:12 PMView My AgentSpace

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^Jaguar is actually the most reliable European manufacturer as of now, and the second-most reliable luxury manufacturer, only behind Lexus. Get your head out of 1985.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/5/2007 10:35:14 PMView My AgentSpace

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I really tried to like this car- but I can't. I've been rooting for Jaguar... but if Ian Callum messes up all of their cars like this, they're just going to slide deeper into irrelevance, and eventually, death. That would be a terrible loss for the car industry.

Why, oh why, couldn't this be as sexy as the XK??? They could've made an XK four-door! It doesn't have to be as big as the XJ!

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DaHarder - 10/6/2007 12:49:04 PM

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Those who persist in declaring that somehow Jaguar 'messed-up' this effort simply need to get a clue.

Every design detail successfully identifies the vehicle as both modern and forward-thinking, while still paying homage to Jaguar's past efforts, and from an engineering standpoint, Jaguar has long had their 'stuff' together, as both the XJ and XK series are both at the forefront of automotive engineering/manufacturing technologies.

What I suggest, is that many of you 'naysayers' wait until you can actually afford to buy (or at least test drive) a vehicle of this calibre before you 'chime-in.

Which is not to say that you're not entailed to your opinion, it's just that said opinion is largely irrelevant.

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S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 11:19:02 AMView My AgentSpace

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"Those who persist in declaring that somehow Jaguar 'messed-up' this effort simply need to get a clue."

Wow, subtle. You seem to love to attack my opinions, while I have stopped doing the same with you.

"Every design detail successfully identifies the vehicle as both modern and forward-thinking, while still paying homage to Jaguar's past efforts, and from an engineering standpoint, Jaguar has long had their 'stuff' together, as both the XJ and XK series are both at the forefront of automotive engineering/manufacturing technologies."

You don't understand something- I love Jaguar. They have the potential to be the best again. But I simply disagree. Yes, it's possible for another person to have a different opinion from you. What you say is not fact.

Obviously, the XK/XJ are both very well-engineered. They have aluminum chassises, although the engines need to be updated. However, the XF has a conventional steel chassis, and the design seems to be contrived on the outside and bland on the inside.

The XF Concept was incredible. I loved it and crossed my fingers in hope that Jaguar's final product would look just like it. Of course, I was wrong. This could have been the car to make Jaguar.

"What I suggest, is that many of you 'naysayers' wait until you can actually afford to buy (or at least test drive) a vehicle of this calibre before you 'chime-in."

In fact, my wife had wanted this car, and I would've bought it for her. But then it came out. We were underwhelmed. We're ending up with an SUV instead- probably an X5 4.8i.

"Which is not to say that you're not entailed to your opinion, it's just that said opinion is largely irrelevant."

And yours isn't? That's all it is, an opinion. This car isn't simply a winner by nature. You should look over your post and revise your thinking.

lyonboy - 10/6/2007 1:44:53 PM

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The XF is fine, but fine is not going to save a company in Jaguars condition. the XF is not as blah as the XJ. I own a SL550 and a 650i and in 06 I did not even consider Jaguar. No folding hardtop convertible, no ventilated seats, only 300 hp w/o resorting to a supercharger. Lexus and BMW get 300 hp out there 6's. Jaguar seems a day late and a dollar short again and again. My last Jaguar was a 99 XJ8 which was competitive at that time, the 07 XJ looks the same and has 300 hp. Out of the 100's of cars in my neghborhood that cost more than $50K, BMW/Mercedes 70%, Lexus 20% and 4 Jaguars that I know of. The two dealers near us are mediocre. In the Monterey Bay area Jaguar is weak. It is going to take a lot more than the XF to make me consider Jaguar.

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Jagexpert2 - 10/6/2007 9:56:32 PMView My AgentSpace

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The o8 XJ Has been tweaked and looks much more aggressive. It has ventilated seats it does zero to sixty in 6.2 seconds with 300 hp because it has the most advanced chassis and lowest weight aluminum architechture in class. way more advanced than the 7 or the sl. get it right dude. also Jaguar is not a volume seller and never should be. I hope that you get what you said. If you want to be like everyone else as it seem you want to be, then a Jaguar is not for you and never will be. Jags have class not crass.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 11:21:06 AMView My AgentSpace

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Jagexpert, I haven't seen the updated XJ on the road yet, but IMO the '07 models look a lot better than the '08s. The '07 was this generation XJ's best year. I saw a black one the other day ('07), and wow, it looked so beautiful. I still love that car, and I definitely like it more than the XF.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 11:23:02 AMView My AgentSpace

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BTW, why do you have an SL550 AND a 650i? You could say (if the 6 is a coupe) that you have to coupes, or if it's a convertible, two convertibles. But what about a sedan? Or a car with a usable back seat?

The SL is getting old. I'd much rather have the XKR. Sorry.

DaHarder - 10/6/2007 4:09:30 PM

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"Lexus and BMW get 300 hp out there 6's"...

Having typed the aforementioned, you singlehandedly brought the perceived IQ of all SL550 and 650i owners down exponentially!

Anyway...

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lyonboy - 10/6/2007 6:34:34 PM

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The typo does not change the message. Let us see, are you the one who wrote "entailed to you opinion". The XF is not going to save Jaguar, only new owners who make big changes to Jaguar management and dealer body are going to have a chance to save Jaguar. Bigger companies than Jaguar have gone broke.

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I95SPEEDINGTICKETS - 10/6/2007 8:45:44 PM

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Most sensible comment on this topic.

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lyonboy - 10/7/2007 12:31:42 AM

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Let's see, the 08 XJ8 has ventilated seats and looks like it is from what decade? The competition has had them over 5 years. You make my point so well! Jaguar is to be applauded for being lighter than the competition but the car looks like nothing special. I wonder if the interior were roomier how much the XJ would weigh? The interior also just is not as roomy as the competion. My biggest complaint about the interior of the XJ is that the seats are too close to the floor in the front and especially in the rear (even in the L). Do you really feel that Jaguar does not want to be a major player in the Luxury segment? Jaguar needs to at least triple sales to not go away. Jaguar has labor problem and I would not be surprised to see Jaguar leave the UK. The name is not going away but how we know it may change.

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Jagexpert2 - 10/7/2007 1:40:25 AMView My AgentSpace

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Well I hate to dissagree again, but the XJ has the most room in class. check the numbers ok? Iyonboy I thin k you are thinking about the prvious model. Go to a dealer and sit in the current car. Its way roomier and sit much higher than the old car. As for a major player Jaguar only needs to sell around 100K cars to be profitable now that they have suceeded in ridding themselves of the rediculous over capacity that Ford thrust on them. Even if Jaguar sells 150K cars it is still a niche player as it should be when you consider that Lexus BMW and Merc sell a million cars a year. As for the 70-80's look that you are implying the XJ will be all new in 24 months. Keeping whats good and reskining the car. i admit if you are not a fan of the retro look them the XF should be on your list until the XJ gets the new skin and interior.

cdoke - 10/7/2007 1:01:14 PMView My AgentSpace

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Well spoken (read written)

Jagexpert2 - 10/7/2007 1:48:52 AMView My AgentSpace

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here is a comparison. While there is slight ly less rear leg room all otheer capacities are verey close or larger on the Jag
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/nvc/edmunds/VehicleComparison?styleid=100884270&styleid=100886493&styleid=100826294&styleid=100903536&styleid=100908613&maxvehicles=5&refid=&op=3&tab=specs

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lyonboy - 10/7/2007 6:14:23 PM

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My 650i is a coupe(and at least 300 lbs too heavy) and when we need to carry more than 2 we have an 07 Suburban that gets driven 3K a year. In 06 we looked at the XK and the visibility with the top-up was a deal breaker for my wife. The styling in 06 did not entice her at all. The top is a big deal because in our climate the top is down alot. The top on the SL is quiet when up and gives excellent visibility. The power and economy on the SL is impressive. The 650i is a great car for someone who drives 30K a year. The BMW V-8 seemed so much more flexible and smooth than anything else available at the time in 06. The Jag supercharged V-8 is very fast but not as smooth or as economical as the BMW. I appreciate the Jaguar mystique but Jaguar needs more aggressive powertrains and more aggressive styling to really play in the big leagues. As far as the roominess of the XJ the numbers only tell part of the story, and yes the current XJ is far superior to my 99 XJ, the seats remain too close to the floor, your legs go out too straight and not enough down for ME to be comfortable.

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S4cabriofoxone - 10/8/2007 12:02:41 PMView My AgentSpace

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"In 06 we looked at the XK and the visibility with the top-up was a deal breaker for my wife. The styling in 06 did not entice her at all."

This was before the new XK was out, I'm guessing? Because it's sex on wheels- much better than the last-gen.

BTW. You say Jaguar should use more aggressive engines. I agree that they should have something above the 420hp V8- but updating that engine is unnecessary. It's similarly priced to the SL550, but looks better, drives better and is just about as bad for the environment. You even get a parcel behind the front seats!

LOL, if you've ever sat in the back of an XK you'd know what I'm talking about. The new one is actually less-comfortable than the old one back there; it's a similar position to sitting in a bucket.

Jagexpert2 - 10/7/2007 7:03:31 PMView My AgentSpace

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OK thats why they make different barnds. LOL


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Jagexpert2 - 10/7/2007 7:04:19 PMView My AgentSpace

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However Jaguars powertrains and engines are universally lauded as some of the best.

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Jag_xfr - 10/9/2007 1:30:35 PM

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Jag XF is easily gonna be the best in it's class...

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autopro - 10/9/2007 6:56:23 PMView My AgentSpace

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Face it Jaguar is in real trouble their sales for 2007 is 12,017 units YTD that's 27.2% off last year.
I know its a niche vehicle but they still need to make money.I think the produce a good product with the limited resources they have and the weak dealer network.

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Jagexpert2 - 10/9/2007 11:26:34 PMView My AgentSpace

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I saw the Xf tonight and I have to tell you that there are so many design elements that don't show up in the pictures.It is absolutely awsome

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