Kia Now Moving into Youth Market, Aims to Knock-out Scion

lolol that shouldn't be hard to knock scion out :P

— Joe_Limon (View Profile)

Posted on 6/12/2009 10:08:34 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

So Kia/Hyundia can only copy designs?

This would mmake a nice 2010 Civic sorry Honda but Hyundia copied it before you could bring to market.

— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 6/12/2009 10:08:54 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

I would purchase Kia before Scion. Look, I can see a BMW 1 series customer moving up to the 3 and then 5 Series but to see a Scion kid moving to what a Camry or Avalon? That is why Toyota developed Scion, but most kids will run to Mazda or Nissan for style.

— inspirion7 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/12/2009 12:25:21 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Nissan must be moving to a youth market too with the Cube

— ChevyFan100 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/12/2009 12:53:28 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Wow, Scion, don't aim too high Hyundai. Guess trying to take out the real Civic with a knock-off Civic is just too difficult.

I'd love to see Hyundai create a car that Koreans wouldn't be ashamed to be seen in. That would be a neat trick.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/13/2009 1:36:20 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Actually Joe, artsy people who live in San Fransico most likely own SAABs or Subuarus. SAABs nd Subarus=gay peoples cars. That is statistical fact.

Chevyfan, see a Cube in person. Its ugly with in the pictures, but its even uglier in real life. I saw one today, and was like, "What the f@ck, and people like that? Must be sadists?" The KIA Soul, looks great in pictures, but in real life it looks better. Then again, all Hyundai/KIA products are like that. They look so much better in real life. The Genesis Coupe is a prime example of that as well.

Hyundai/KIA=youth under 40 market. Hyundai=Gen Y Audi. KIA=Gen Y Mazda. It may not seem like it so much now, but watch youll see in 5-10 years.

— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 6/13/2009 1:59:02 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

I saw the Forte today at the dealer. Its a big car too. It looks better in person. The Photos dont do it Justice.

— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 6/13/2009 7:22:50 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

In 5-10 years, Hyundai/Kia will be fighting for its life against Chinese cars at 1/2 the price (with equal quality copying) because they have no real following, their customers will jump ship the moment a cheaper car comes along. One detriment of always being 5 steps behind.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/13/2009 8:04:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

that looks like the current Honda Civic coupe...Instead of knock out, how about making a KNOCK OFF

— Inline6 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/13/2009 8:27:12 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I believe Scion is busy knocking themselves out.

— theoptimisticpessimist (View Profile)

Posted on 6/13/2009 8:49:17 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

huu, stop crying about Hyundai's supposed "inferior quality" The Toyota Products I have sat in lately have harder interior plastics that are almost Fisher Price (GM) toy like than any Hyundai I have sat in. Toyota is the Japanese GM now, they dont care about quality, they just assmue they can get a pass with lackluster products due to assumed quality and the Koreans are trivial competition that can be pushed back at will.

The Build quality of Toyota Products 10 years ago was 20% points higher than the Koreans. The gap has now closed to 1%. So stop crying about your brothers Tibby from 10 years ago.

The Americans made that mistake 35-40 years ago to think that with the Japanese as well; the buyer has never forgiven them for it either. I have a feeling the Japanese are going to suffer as well, The Germans are suffering to both the Japanese and the Koreans.

Also, Hyundai has a new crop of buyer, the Chrysler owner. Studies have shown that in the last 24 months the most traded in vehicle for a new Hyundai are Chrysler Products, follwed by Ford, followed by Mazda.

So much for Fords blatant lies about its quality being better than Honda.

— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 6/14/2009 5:24:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Plus there a reason why the Tibby is being discontinued. It was overpriced, overpowered, and not too good on gas for the segment, and trust me it was not the gem in terms of reliability in the Hyundai line. The Tibbys replacement will be an Elantra coupe.

Pretty fair of you to judge a brand on one of its least reliable products, eh. Thats the same as if someone Judged Honda on quality, based on its current gen Civic with its ever growing reputation for shoddy build quality.

Your Brother would have had better luck with an: Accent, Azera, Genesis Coupe, or an Elantra. In which I recommend if you are buying a Hyundai. The Sonata is a big car with good power and MPG, but its not as reliable as the smaller cars Hyundai sells. The 2006 and 2007 Sonatas were not too good, even though Motor Trend is still testing the 2006 Sonata on a long term test and they say it still works fine. The Azera is a a gem, but the old people's styling makes the car so underrated. The Genesis is an unkown, but Hyundai did do a 5 year testing program on the car, so I wouldnt be surprised if the Genesis is reliable as the Accent or Elantra. The Tuscon is a competent CUV. The Santa Fe is ok, but not as reliable as most.

The Entourage, and the Tiburon are shoddy products that brings the whole brand image down. That's why Hyundai is discontinuing them, and replacing them with Portico and Elantra Coupe (Veloster).

— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 6/14/2009 5:42:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Haha, our local newspaper just included a HUGE Kia flyer, interesting what the fine print says.

Forte is compared to a Civic that's $1000 more but the Forte's delivery charge is $1600, $600 more than the Civic and most other cars. And cheapskates thought they were getting a lower priced car.

As for the wonderful job protection program, Kia only covers up to $7500 while Toyota antes up with $10,000 (a more reasonable value). Basically Kia says you need to make a 50% downpayment or else you'll still owe them money. The kicker is Kia will only allow a return in the 1st year, Toyota will let you return it anytime during the term of a lease or purchase (why not, the car would be mostly paid for and they can resell it).

Of course the Korean/Japan gap is only 1%, Korean cars are just reverse engineered Japanese cars, right down to the design except they're a year or two late everytime.

Tiburon was hardly overpowered for its segment. The Civic Si, RSX and Celica GTS all had more power and the Tiburon had a V6 while the others 4bangers. The Tiburon was actually underpowered.

How did quality/reliablity get into this conversation?
"with equal quality copying" was referring to China's ability to copy a Japanese car just as well as the Koreans, but China will only charge 1/2 the price of the Koreans. End result is "Buy Japanese or settle for a Chinese clone". Hyundai will be all but forgotten as they can't compete against either.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/14/2009 10:21:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

I forgot. I can understand why Kia won't allow a return after 1yr. They know their cars will be basically worthless by then and they wouldn't be able to resell it.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/14/2009 10:22:53 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Huu, where you live at, Nunaavut!!!! LMAO!! Destination charge here in the US is only $643.00. But huu I thought you said only low rate automakers give incentives. Yet, you just admitted that your precious Lexus/Toyota, Scion give incentives as well; more incentives in fact. And they still cant sell their cars!!!! LMAO!!!

— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 6/15/2009 8:57:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Don't get too excited, you've just jumped the gun and made yourself look like an ass.

Do the conversion and you'll get approx $900CDN, what most manufacturers charge for delivery (even Mercedes-Benz) regardless if they live next door to the car factory or Nunavut.
For someone who supposedly is close to the auto industry, you should know delivery charges for local buyers are used to subsidize delivery to areas that aren't close to the car plant hence the seemingly absurd delivery charge for someone in Oakville, Ont buying a car built in Oakville, Ont.

What incentive am I supposedly talking about? I'd like to know.
The fact Toyota and Honda can make 4bangers that are more powerful than Hyundai's V6s? Or Toyota spelling it out to customers saying they'll take back the car even if there's only 1 payment left because Toyota knows their cars are worth more unlike Kia who dred having to take back a car, hence the 1yr limit.
Toyota doesn't need to try and scam their customers, Toyota customers know exactly what they're buying unlike bargain hunting Kia/Hyundai customers who only look at the price tag.

btw, Toytoa's $500 gas card is hardly an incentive.

Sorry, you'll have to try harder than that.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/15/2009 11:12:09 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

LMAO huu, well Hyundai has been using that powerplant on the Tiburon for almost 10 years. Not enough complaints about the thing, an for the first 8years of the car it had enough buyers for Hyundai not to care. They rested on their laurels with this car.

— HyundaiSmoke (View Profile)

Posted on 6/16/2009 4:35:19 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1