Kings of Japan go head-to-head on pricing: Nissan GT-R vs Lexus IS-F

That COST (approximately) The same amount of Yen...

Price Comparison - Justified!

— DaHarder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 1:56:27 PM | | Votes: -5   

There's the biggest down side to this forum...

There's so much 'fan-boyism' that individuals fail to see logic when it's staring them in the face.

Brand loyalty is all good & well, but at least take a minute to actually read what's being said before making hasty judgments.

— DaHarder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/18/2007 12:37:33 PM | | Votes: -1   

Right, who cares about that stuff. Or how they drive--doesn't matter! Or how they look, how they make you feel, nope... it's just the pricing. That's all that matters.

In that case, I will compare the Jaguar XJ8 to the new Toyota Land Cruiser, because both are roughly the same price.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 10:24:22 PM | | Votes: 3   

LOL. "well...."

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 10:25:00 PM | | Votes: -1   

Sorry, meant to say the LF-A.

— david999 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 1:42:36 PM | | Votes: 4   

lol

But the problem is, we know nothing about the LF-A or how it will perform or how much it will cost. I'm betting that it will be at least twice the price of the Nissan... which leads me to ask, why not get a lightly-used Ferrari or 911 Turbo at that price? Is anybody really going to be driving their LF-A every day? Because it's not AWD like the R8. Well, let's wait and see... Lexus had better have something special.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 10:26:33 PM | | Votes: -1   

exactly this is about pricing not performance. If you read the whole article the main point is would you pay around $600 more for a GT-R for 56 more horsepower...or would you pick a GT-R over a LEXUS IS-F since it may not cost you much

— omarrana (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 1:58:12 PM | | Votes: 2   

valid points taken...however do we kno which trim model GTR is based at the $70k? as i've read, there may be 3 trims. so is this the 3.7L 350hp GTR or is this the 475hp GTR beast we are assuming?

the articles states the GT will start at roughly $68k, but no where does it mention which trim/engine/performance/options you get for the $70k.

i do expect the 475hp GTR to be based at $75k and top out at $80-85k fully loaded. just my OPINION of course.

the IS-F should top out at $73-74k based on configurations with the IS350.

— r15mohd (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 2:03:58 PM | | Votes: 3   

all the trim levels have the same mechanical hardware. only changes are bose stereo, special color combos, different looking rims, different tires, and the optional heated seats.

so the base model will have the same performance figures as the premium package and black edition package.

there WILL be variants in the future that feature more carbon fiber and more HP. its suspected that for MY2010 there will be the V-spec variant. these are the models designed to blow away even the 911 turbo and are supposed to come with manual transmissions.

even so, in base trim right now, 60-80k is not much for on par 911 turbo specs. not to mention that any form of creature comfort is an addition to the already 120k+ price tag.

— gsh23 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 3:44:31 PM | | Votes: 2   

btw you are mistaking the GTR for the nismo Z. in japan, the 350Z has a special version by nismo putting out 350hp from a 3.7L. special aero kits and such. the GTR is by no means a Z of any sort. price for the nismo Z in the US is 38k.

— gsh23 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 3:49:53 PM | | Votes: 1   

ok, having the same features do NOT make cars equal in luxury terms. the leather in gt-r will have less quality than the leather in MB C63 for example. same with the navigation, same with every single button in the car. Some cars just have more luxury than others. If you can't see that than you will be happy with any cheap built interior, just go for the performance. You will change your opinions later..

— rg12345 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 3:55:40 PM | | Votes: 2   

Please...

Luxury at this level as all about the buyer's perception/expectation.

I remember when I was looking for a larger sedan a few years back, and test drove the S-Class vs. 7-series vs. VW Phaeton, and found the Phaeton to be more comfortable, more luxurious (love those air-vents!) and better built than the other two, yet I allowed the fact that it was but a VW to sway me into getting (yet another) BMW.

Thank goodness, I'm over all that now, and buy want I find appealing regardless of what emblem graces the hood.

— DaHarder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 4:07:02 PM | | Votes: 2   

i think you fail to see that performance IS the new luxury. its why mercedes will never be a ferrari or why a bmw will never be a porsche. better quality leather? leather will be an OPTION in the mercedes. and when you do opt for it, dont expect rolls royce quality. buttons? i suppose thats why the 997 turbo costs $50,000 more; better quality buttons, please.

ill say it again, luxury cannot be quantified. this is why performance will always be a measure of luxury. if you cant go around the ring fast, then make the quietest car out there. thats where rolls royce excels. or make a whole bunch of top grade electronics. this is what lexus does.

— gsh23 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 5:34:25 PM | | Votes: 1   

"why people buy cars like the M3, RS4, and the upcoming ISF. all have nowhere near the same performance in exchange for....luxury?"

No, most people live in the real world and can't have a racecar-gone-street as their daily driver. The RS4, M3, C63 and IS-F make much more sense for someone who doesn't want to sacrifice performance at the expense of space and usability. As much as Nissan is trying to persuade you otherwise, the GT-R is not something you would want to drive every day. If you're buying one, you may as well stretch to $100K and get a G35 sedan on the side.

As for interior quality... this car has a cheap-ass interior from the pictures. But I don't care! It's going to be an incredible performance machine.

And the 911 Turbo? Wow, I sat in one with the full-leather (black/beige), and it was incredibly luxurious. Perfect materials everywhere. Very impressive; although the GT-R makes it look overpriced, the Turbo is a bargain for its performance. That is my #1 supercar right now, tied with the R8, my dream...

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 10:32:14 PM | | Votes: 0   

well s4 i guess we have different views. if you think the gtr interior is cheap ass, i dare not ask what you think the M3 interior looks like. the GTR has a full size trunk, probably good for two golf bags and has 4 seats. theres a very good chance i will consider getting this car in two years and i dont see why you cant make this a daily. we arent talking R8 supercar here with no trunk and no seats. what porsche has a trunk the size of the gtr's?

i think you are like me, someone who appreciates leather and i can say that from the pictures shown so far, the suede/leather seats and leather dash will be very nice. im looking at the big picture and if the M3 or RS4 have better air con buttons, then so be it.

— gsh23 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/18/2007 1:01:41 PM | | Votes: 1   

I don't know. the Hyundai Azera has some of the same "luxury" appointments as some of the top saloons in the world.

Which leads me to wonder. Why is the hyundai not selling 3 million cars per year, while A8, S-Klasse, and 7er sell 100 cars per year?

I think saying they have the same equipment is like saying they have wheels. while they do the same things, there are differences that make them what they are.

— ThierryHenry14 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/19/2007 9:48:11 AM | | Votes: 1   

Don't be so sure. For one car that does it all... well, I'D take the GT-R, but a normal person may need the space that the IS-F provides.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 10:33:46 PM | | Votes: 0   

i dont know about choosing a sedan as of yet on my end...

a full comparison would ultimately make my choice better know but byt looks and pwr on paper, i'd have to choose the AMG rite now.

many things may change based upon actual testing though.

— r15mohd (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 2:20:20 PM | | Votes: 1   

r15, has it occurred to you that he may have a different opinion on the M3 sedan vs. C63 AMG issue? They are both desirable cars, and the C63 has an amazing engine (as does the M3), but RS4 for me, hehehehe...

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 10:35:24 PM | | Votes: 0   

"I know the GT has always been a Nissan but for some reason I feel it would have been better in Infiniti badging going against the likes of the M3/S4."

What?! You think this vehicle competes with MY car? Ha! I can admit it when I'm out of my league! This is a cut-price 911 Turbo competitor.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 10:37:00 PM | | Votes: 0   

sport sport sport

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 10:37:30 PM | | Votes: 0   

Depends on the person. I think I would choose the IS-F. I'm not being biased towards Lexus, I just think the GT-R looks a little weird from behind. The exhaust and taillights are the only cool looking things back there. The rest...well...I don't like it.

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 11:55:38 PM | | Votes: 1   

What luxury feature does the lexus come with. Please read consumer report's review of Toyota/Lexus. This will give you better insite.
Luxury is ALL ABOUT PERCEPTION!!! As intelligent as some of you people sounds I can't believe you haven't figured that out yet.
Corporation are all LAUGHING at us straight to the bank.

IDIOTS

— GLover (View Profile)

Posted on 10/18/2007 6:06:38 AM | | Votes: 0   

I heard it's going to be the Infiniti GT-R. But that was WAY back when the GT-R was first announced so I don't know if they still plan on doing that.

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 8:25:32 PM | | Votes: 1   

Sure, that was speculated... Last Year!

I agree, that (during this century) NO Nissan badged vehicle should command 75-100k in the United States.

PERIOD!

Nissan's not marketing this as simply the GT-R, sans any additional brand affiliation/badging, yet selling it through Infiniti dealers is a mistake.

We'll See...

— DaHarder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 8:57:42 PM | | Votes: 1   

Yeah, it was last year. That's why I said "WAY back when..." But still, they might sell it under Infiniti in the U.S. and Nissan in Japan.

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 11:53:17 PM | | Votes: 1   

And why is selling it as an Infiniti a mistake? It's coming to the U.S., whether you like the car or not.

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/17/2007 11:56:30 PM | | Votes: 1   

and you know that Nissan ran that time? Last I heard, it was a claim.

But just to let you, along with everyone else know, no Porsche fan is going to trade in their Porsche for a Nissan, even if it does the ring in 7:30:00 flat (a little exaggeration on time doesn't hurt).

People buying the GT-R, which is a nice sports car, are buying a Nissan sports car. They want the qualities/amenities that Nissan has to offer. It is what it is.

— ThierryHenry14 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/19/2007 9:56:22 AM | | Votes: 2