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Latest Study Indicates That Most Hybrids Still Fail The Economic Test
With high gas prices, hybrid cars are a more affordable option than ever  in terms of gas mileage, but only a handful of hybrid cars make solid  financial sense, and only for some consumers, according to a new study  by NADAguides.com, a vehicle pricing and information website.

    Using current gas prices for ten major metropolitan areas, the company studied the number of miles needed to recoup the extra cost of buying a  hybrid car over its gasoline-only counterpart. "We recognize that every  driver's situation is different and that some people will achieve a return on the extra investment of a hybrid car much faster than others," said Tara Baukus Mello, senior writer and lead market analyst for NADAguides.com.

    The study showed, for example, that a driver in Los Angeles, the city with the highest gas prices in the study, will break even about 18 percent faster than a driver in Houston, the city with the lowest gas prices, assuming both are driving the same miles.

    "Drivers near major cities often have a wide range of commute distances, which means that the break-even point can be dramatically different from one person to the next," cautioned Baukus Mello. "For example, if a Houston-area commuter travels 12 miles one way to work,
driving 10,000 total miles annually, while a Los Angeles-area commuter travels 25 miles one way, driving 15,000 total miles annually, the Los Angeles commuter recoups his investment almost 80 percent faster."

    Still, the study found that, even at today's high gas prices, only a handful of hybrid cars make financial sense for a consumer who buys a new car every five years or less and drives an average number of miles per year. Even at Los Angeles-area gas prices, there are only five hybrid cars that would allow consumers to recoup their additional investment before
they sold the car, assuming they drive an average of 15,000 miles per year. In order of shortest time to break even, they are:



    1.  Toyota Camry Hybrid
    2.  Chevrolet Malibu Hybrid
    3.  Nissan Altima Hybrid
    4.  Toyota Prius
    5.  Honda Civic Hybrid

    "Consumers who are thinking of purchasing a hybrid car solely to save money on gas should calculate the number of miles they drive per year and their typical per gallon gas price to make an educated decision," advises Baukus Mello. She also recommended consumers use NADAguides.com's Cost of Ownership tool to obtain estimates of other costs, such as car maintenance and car insurance.

    Following is a chart of the top five hybrid cars with the greatest return on investment and the number of miles to break even in 10 major metropolitan areas at current gas prices.
 
    Miles to Break-Even in Hybrid Car vs. Gasoline Counterpart at Current Gas Prices




    Major         Toyota       Chevrolet    Nissan     Toyota      Honda Civic
    Metropolitan  Camry        Malibu       Altima     Prius       Hybrid vs.
    Area (Per     Hybrid vs.   Hybrid       Hybrid     4dr Hatch   Honda Civic
    Gallon Gas    Toyota       vs.          vs.        vs. Toyota  LX
    Price)        Camry XLE    Chevrolet    Nissan     Camry LE
                               Malibu LT    Altima
                                            2.5 S

    Los Angeles
     ($4.59)       18,292       32,206       37,580      41,626      57,216
    San Francisco
     ($4.56)       18,413       32,418       37,827      41,900      57,592
    Seattle
     ($4.36)       19,257       33,905       39,562      43,822      60,234
    Chicago
     ($4.20)       19,991       35,196       41,069      45,491      62,528
    Miami
     ($4.17)       20,135       35,450       41,365      45,819      62,978
    New York
     ($4.17)       20,135       35,450       41,365      45,819      62,978
    Boston
     ($4.04)       20,782       36,590       42,696      47,293      65,005
    Cleveland
     ($4.03)       20,834       36,681       42,802      47,410      65,166
    Denver
     ($3.94)       21,310       37,519       43,779      48,493      66,655
    Houston
     ($3.88)       21,639       38,099       44,456      49,243      67,685


    About This Study: Figures were calculated using EPA-estimated combined average fuel economy and current MSRP prices for all vehicles, federal tax credits for hybrid cars when applicable, and regular unleaded per gallon gas prices by city as of July 3, 2008 from the Energy Information Administration.



Latest Study Indicates That Most Hybrids Still Fail The Economic Test



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t_bonet_bone - 7/9/2008 10:09:40 AM
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These stories always forget one thing in their rush for readers---RESALE VALUE. Especially if gas jumps to $7 and/or batteries continue to be scarce in the OEM market.

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TheSailorTheSailor - 7/9/2008 11:47:21 AMView My AgentSpace
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i think the main issue with hybrid resale is that no noe knows for certain what will happen to thw batteries when they are ten years old and have gone through an almost infinite number of charging cycles... will they be good for another ten years, or will you have to cough up4-5 grand for a new battery?¡ that is probably more than the resale value of the average ten year old hybrid, especially if they have a flat battery! that means that you canonly epect a ten year life cycle for a hybrid.


kthorkthor - 7/9/2008 8:15:28 PM
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First, what does "almost infinite" mean? And second, hybrids can run FOREVER on the plentiful fumes of self-delusion. Economic reality doesn't even factor in.


TheSailorTheSailor - 7/10/2008 3:29:53 AMView My AgentSpace
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because they charge and off load constantly... and that really isn't good for any battery...


993Turbo993Turbo - 7/10/2008 6:21:04 AM
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How the F*** does a 15 mile commute translate into 10,000mi annual and 25 mile commute translates into 15,000mi driven annually?


LexSucksLexSucks - 7/9/2008 10:43:53 AM
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The current Hybrids are nothing more than a fashion statment. Mass stupidity taken to the extreme.

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_43LE_43LE - 7/9/2008 11:02:51 AM
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Just like heavy, overpriced SUVs and 1000hp super sedans. The masses are lead to believe that these are desireable for all.


WhelanWhelan - 7/9/2008 11:45:57 AM
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I wouldnt mind a Hybrid, I will be checking out the Chevy Volt when it debuts to be honest. I drive 50 miles a day round trip and get 28mpg. I put at least 20,000 miles a year on my car if not more. I buy my cars, never lease, it's a waste of money cause then you cannot touch the car or modify it.



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american_madeamerican_made - 7/9/2008 12:57:21 PM
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you're dumb, you should never own a depreciating asset especially when a residual changes with the economy. (think someone who bought a $65,000 Escalade two years ago, it ain't worth sh*!) But good choice on the Volt.


TheSailorTheSailor - 7/9/2008 12:03:04 PMView My AgentSpace
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I am a bit curious, what did they test the prius against?! because as i see it, that is pretty much a niche car with no direct competitors... the only way to see if the prius is actually any more efficient than a non hybrid version, would be to rip out all the stuff for the hybrid drive and see what kind of mileage it would get without the extra load on the engine from the generator and the extra weight of all the additional equipment!

and I just don't see how it is possible for toyota to draw more power from the engine using it as a generator as to using it as direct propulsion. the only difference in output is the loss in drivetrain contra hsd electric gear. and depending on the construction and design of the hybrid system, it is only going to be somewhere between 60 and 70% efficient (due to energy loss in generator, accumulator,inverter and drivemotor) versus a regular mechanical drivetrain which is in excess of 80% efficient.

the only time where you could gain anything from the system is during downtime (i.e. waiting at a stop light) and here it would be way more efficient (as the prius do, i think) to simply turn of the engine. cars like efficient dynamics BMWs even cut fuel supply to the engine during moving down time, meaning that there is nothing to gain there either.So there is only the left over power from braking, and why not use that (as BMW does) for charging the regular accumulator which powers all electronic components meaning less load on the alternator and therefore lower fuel consumption...


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TheSailorTheSailor - 7/9/2008 12:16:31 PMView My AgentSpace
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btw: isn't the car change cycle three years(I change car a hell of a lot more often)?! that means that with a 15k pr year average, it is almost impossible to pay off the hybrid premium... so that basically just leaves you with that fake'n'fuzzy green feeling you get from driving a hybrid!


800over800over - 7/9/2008 2:06:26 PM
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Sailor, you forget again to take into account the resale....obviously a Camry HV after 3 years will be worth more than the regular Camry.(Try and find a Camry HV at auctions it's crazy) So yes you pay more. And you get more. ( I know that's hard for you to understand) This article only talks about the direct comparison of gas. It doesn't take into account everything else that comes with it. (ie Camry HV is actually more powerful than 4 cyl Camry and is quieter, more standard safety equipment etc) And as for the "fake'n'fuzzy" people are willing to pay for it...so it is a value. "green" has the same resale as "cool" which so mony seem to value(whether you do or not)


BoredBored - 7/9/2008 4:31:11 PM
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@ theSailor,

Couldn't the Honda Civic Hybrid be the Toyota Prius' competitor?



TheSailorTheSailor - 7/9/2008 4:34:22 PMView My AgentSpace
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well... you get more for it because you paid more for it in the first place.

And please don't give me the better performance bs! How many do you know who bought a cmary because of it's awesome performance!? The only hybrid marketed as a performance car is the GS450h, and that doesn't really hold up against the competition when it comes to performance.

And it's not like the cmary,i.e., gives youthat great mileage... it does 35 mpg according to the EPA and probably less in real life. The european 525d will outperform the camry and still deliver better performance. And i know the two cars aren't really direct competitors, but it gives you an idea of what the hybrids are up against overhere (in europe) and my reasons for not believing in the hybrids. when I can buy a BMW 535d fully loaded for less than a standard GS450h (that doesn't even have sat-nav as standard in europe) and still get better performance AND better fuel economy, why should I buy hybrid? the only reason why hybrids sell in the us is because you don't have proper diesel cars - yet!

I have yet to see any substantial evidence that proves once and for all that gasoline hybrids are really that much more efficient than their gasoline counterparts, and i still stand by my postulate that the prius will achieve a better fuel economy if you yanked out all the HSD parts minus the regenerative brakes.



TheSailorTheSailor - 7/9/2008 4:37:48 PMView My AgentSpace
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There is a civic hybrid?! wouldn't you know it... I had no idea... well I guess that would qualify as a competitor... but I still think it would be quite a bit heavier! That is the Prius' strength... It's made out of old candy-wrappers and water jugs, so it weighs net to nothing... and that is also why i think it would do better without the hsd...


BoredBored - 7/9/2008 5:00:53 PM
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@ theSailor,

ROFL!

dude, it's #5 on the list above. how did you miss it?

and if the Prius was made out of "old candy-wrappers and water jugs", it would make it 100% recyclable.

it would also cause MT to wet his pants.



TheSailorTheSailor - 7/9/2008 5:25:53 PMView My AgentSpace
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:D Iwasn't really paying attention... and yes, Iguess you are right, that would make it 100% recyclable... maybe we should sell the idea to toyota... The point is that it seems flimsy and is extremely touchy in moderate wind conditions (yes, contrary to what you all probably think, I have driven the prius, and the only thing I liked is the way it starts up from a stop light - when the battery charge is sufficient),,,


MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 7/9/2008 1:03:46 PM
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Latest study shows that these anti-hybrid studies are full of crap. They're just trying to smash the success of the Japanese in this field. Typical Western arrogance at the thought that the Japanese can out-engineer them. A shame I belong to the Western world. Perhaps in my next life I will be a Samurai or Japanese person.

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MercedesBenz00ZMercedesBenz00Z - 7/9/2008 3:54:05 PM
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Move to Japan now, moron.

But just to let you know, the Japanese don't even welcome gaijin people like you. You prob will have to act like a beggar to get accepted there.



BoredBored - 7/9/2008 4:56:11 PM
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@ the troll MT,

WTF?
A NADAguide study that places 2 Toyotas hybrids in its top 5, yet you think it's biased!? I'm thinking this is a positive thing for your beloved Toyotas.

I swear, you Toyota/Lexus mechaphilliacs are a strange lot. Maybe you can find solace here:

http://ie.youtube.com/mycarmylover

As for moving to Japan, I don't think that would be a good idea at this point. For starters, Rosetta Stone's Japanese Levels 1-3 would run you at least $500. Second, your behavior here would bring shame on any Japanese family, an obvious no-no. Lastly, it's unlikely that a Samurai master would accept you to serve him (or her) and no one would take you seriously as a Ronin. This would only leave you with lone choice of committing Seppuku, and honestly, even I would not wish such a fate for you.



toolatetoracetoolatetorace - 7/9/2008 11:15:49 PM
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MT is a dangerous person to have on American soil


MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 7/10/2008 2:53:00 AM
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You people are hilarious the way you treat me just because of my views. Eat me.


amazinBimmeramazinBimmer - 7/9/2008 1:37:55 PM
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they all, however pass the Dorky test with flying colors.

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WhelanWhelan - 7/9/2008 2:12:30 PM
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Hey American.

Why would I lease? They don't offer 20,000 miles a year leases. So me doing another 5k over the highest lease of say 15k a year and paying each year additional mileage makes no sense either. Besides I like to modify cars a bit, such as my Matrix where I built a hard cargo cover for the back, retrofitted with HIDs, and a few small other things to tweak it.


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WhelanWhelan - 7/9/2008 2:14:38 PM
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Also unless I buy some classic or super exotic it is going to depreciate, it's a fact of life, I deal with it, and get my value in my time with the vehicle.

Not to mention when I own it in 5 years I can sell it for still over 10k and take some of that money to a down payment or trade in. When you hand in a lease, that's it, your done, you have nothing to sell to get more money down, you just spend another 1500-2500 down and pay a monthly fee again to basically rent a car.


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SixxFiveSixxFive - 7/9/2008 2:33:54 PM
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MichaelTaylor: why wait for your next life? You are more than welcome to leave "western arrogance" and move to Japan....today.

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MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 7/9/2008 3:53:02 PM
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Up yours...


MercedesBenz00ZMercedesBenz00Z - 7/9/2008 3:54:51 PM
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I thought you wanted to move to Japan, but not anymore already? Isn't Japan better for you?


RupertRupert - 7/9/2008 8:18:16 PMView My AgentSpace
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I'm going to Japan in September, I'll ask them if they want him.


MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 7/10/2008 2:54:13 AM
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Do that for me, Rupert...

Sarcasm intended. And make sure you count all the Lexi you see on the street. You will be blown away. Lexus sales in Japan have increased incredibly!



atomicbriatomicbri - 7/10/2008 8:01:25 AMView My AgentSpace
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Michael. Lexus sales in Japan suck, read up on it. I like the IS and that is about it, I have a Japanese friend and I asked him if he felt Lexus was above the BMW and the Mercedes.... he laughed. He said Lexus was a dressed up Toyota and said most Japanese would buy the BMW cause they love Western culture.... And that from someone who lives outside Tokyo... He said if you are going to spend the money, may as well buy the real deal.


MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 7/10/2008 10:11:20 AM
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Lexus LS sales in Japan outsell MB S and BMW 7er sales by far. I'll admit that the other Lexus cars are doing average but as a whole Lexus is doing well in Japan.


Htay7500Htay7500 - 7/10/2008 1:33:21 PM
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wheres your source?


Homer007Homer007 - 7/9/2008 4:38:26 PM
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neanderthals / big foot / bad body odor = diesels

2008 modern beings w/low crime rate = Hybrid.


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BoredBored - 7/9/2008 5:03:55 PM
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@ Homer,

so how do you classify the 2010 Mercedes-Benz S300 Bluetec Hybrid?

(Doh!)



Bmw8terBmw8ter - 7/9/2008 11:26:04 PM
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You could classify the 2010 S300 Bluetec Hybrid as.... AN EXPENSIVE RISK. Mercedes should prove the technology on a much more economically feasible level first; like Toyota did. No matter how reliable the technology may be, people will be hesitant to fork out $80k+ for a firstround hybrid. Toyota has the luxury of being able to sell a Lexus LS600H on the fact that their hybrid drivetrain worked perfectly for the Prius, Ford Escape, Nissan Altima and RX400h...why wouldn't it work just as well on a Lexus LS600H?


tcatnattcatnat - 7/9/2008 8:20:17 PM
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This study is not that accurate. You need to compare the cost of purchasing and driving a hybrid to a non-hybrid vehicle in the same class. Example, A Camry Hybrid vs. a standard Accord or standard Malibu or even a standard Camry.

I just bought a Camry hybrid and based on my driving habits I will breakeven after 2.5 years based on a comparison with a standard Accord when taking into account purchase price, average MPG for my driving and at the time $4/gallon gas. With gas continuing to go up I will break even quicker.


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tcatnattcatnat - 7/9/2008 8:22:12 PM
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Scratch that, I misread the chart in the article. I am a victim of HTML formatting.


StickShiftCamryStickShiftCamry - 7/9/2008 11:00:06 PM
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I asked some driver sitting in a LS600h yesterday by battery park (dwntwn Manhatten) and asked him how the mileage goes - he said the car is driven in Manhatten for the whole week and he drives the owner to the Hampton home on wknds - He said some weekdays - the gas engine doesn't even turn on!! given the traffic and few blocks up and down!!. Hybrids work in cities like this. I used a Prius zipcar once - once u figure it out - it won't even turn on in traffic or from the house to a nearby store.

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StickShiftCamryStickShiftCamry - 7/9/2008 11:00:57 PM
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*it's always in electric mode in traffic and local junts.


SixxFiveSixxFive - 7/10/2008 12:12:40 AM
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MichaelTaylor (in response to "up yours") - back-at-cha but in the form of a three pointed star. You know you secretly want it.

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WhattheWhatthe - 7/10/2008 9:00:41 AM
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Once again no one wants to address the price diff. this throws the entire equation out the window.
You are farther ahead to buy the 4 cyl equal of the same car everytime!


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ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 7/12/2008 4:31:16 AM
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people overlook this SIMPLE FACT: most toyota and honda owners are TOO SMART to get on the "trade every 3-5 years" TREADMILL. their cars easily last 10, 15, even 20+ years.

once the "payback period" is reached, they get a BONUS of the hybrid premium to BANK AWAY. over EVERY subsequent payback period.

these cars easily PAY FOR THEMSELVES. they pay EXTRA money on EVERY MILE after the payback period.



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ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 7/16/2008 5:23:34 AM
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so, where are all the critics NOW?



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