Long Live The New King? The G37 Has Finally Unseated The BMW 335i

Interesting to see the mention of the oil overheating issue in the 335i under spirited driving. This is like the 5th or 6th time I have heard this claim.

I hope they address this before we see the twin turbo hit the street in any number.

— Agent009 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 4:04:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 14   

Because you say so?

— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 7:09:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

What's really pathetic is that BMW now has to resort to twin-turbo to outpower competitor. Since when BMW just discard their lovely NA heritage and take the shortcut? Twin-turbo is such a easy solution both for engineering and marketing, but it's so un-German.

— dlin (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 2:43:14 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

dont forget Mitsubishi made their turbo.

— Htay7500 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 7:52:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

So did IS350 do over 330i years ago. This time it was G37 owns the "magic feeling" for $8,000 less.

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 4:14:04 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

congrats to infiniti on the new g37!
why is the IS being brought up? i don't see it on the magazine cover?

let them launch the is coupe first, then test it VS both the 335 and g37 instead of trying to get take infiniti's moment of glory.

— tifosi_f1 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 5:34:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

BMW is just overhyped, and has been kicked ass left and right even by the old man Benz. IS350 runs as fast and handle as good as 335i.

But Infiniti did a poor job too by making the G37 too heavy thus too thirsty. Can Nissan develop a 6 speed auto?

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 4:10:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -8   

true the g37 doesn't come with a manual but its the king of the automatic

— tifosi_f1 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 5:37:37 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -7   

my mistake, let have a test with the manuals now!

— tifosi_f1 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 5:59:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

that and the king is dead title was overhyped, and wishful thinking, the g37 won out because of its price and the overheating thing (why would bmw not check this first before submitting one to a test of the volume leader in the segment...seems odd) thats like saying if they were the same price, and it didnt overheat the g would have lost.

— bmwdrvr (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 11:08:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

So the 335i performs better, has a better interior and looks way better, but the infinite is cheaper?
I'll take the BMW over the ininite, even if its close.

SupraNeverBack

When did the old man's benz beat BMW?
Get back to snoring in your Lexus please..

— M53R (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 4:31:17 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Here in Europe I haven't heard a single thing about overheating the twin-turbo engine.. strange.

There isn't a hair on my head that even considers the Infiniti. This doesn't change anything. BMW is still the champ.

ps: I think the comparo would be more fair if the BMW also had the (full) M-sport package.

— SevorbeupstryIsBack (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 4:37:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Motor Trend... were that the blokes who preferred the Hyundai Veracruz over the Lexus RX350?

Why? because the overall package (read: PRICE) was better

Did the best car win? no


As much as I hate the RX350, I would still buy one over the Hyundai.

And the very same principle applies here.

— SevorbeupstryIsBack (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 4:43:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

MotorTrend is staring to act like Consumer-Reports when it comes to car evaluations. Price 1st, everything else 2nd. I stopped reading motortrend when they gave the Ford Thunderbird the Car-Of-The-Year award.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 4:48:10 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

This is a dumb question, and I am not an engineer, but don't turbos overheat quicker in warmer climates?

— Willis (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 4:51:22 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Another number: G37s runs 3mph faster than "the ultimate driving machine" 335i Sport through their slalom tests.

The 335i Sport barely outhandles IS350 with luxury package. 335i ran faster because BMW likes to send them over-boosted one.

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 4:58:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

This is only an issue if you let magazines dictate what car you drive.

The article even said it was a damn close margin. You know what that means....both cars are awesome.

Save the spin and bitching for another article people.

— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 4:58:59 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

"loyalty thugs" lol

— no1listensanyway (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 6:57:15 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Infiniti : The Ultimate Budget Machine

BMW is always ahead of the curve, and Infiniti is always playing catch-up. This will not change.

I drive a 335i coupe, and you couldnt pay me to buy an infiniti. Theyre built like crap. The interiors are junk and the cost-cutting shows on every aspect of the vehicle.

It may be fast, handle nicely, and look snazzy, but its not a world class car like the BMW is and always will be.

— Chip (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 5:11:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

Too bad the Infinity looks about the same with the old model, which doesn't look that great at all from quite a few angles. I really tried to like it (when shopping for cars about one year ago) but it's hard...

— rg12345 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 5:25:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Interesting.

— SevorbeupstryIsBack (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 3:26:24 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Its kind of funny that you guys are dissing Motor Trend now since the BMW lost. Motor Trend really likes the BMW 3 and they do hold it as their benchmark, but I guess the problem here is the loss. I mean if you guys think that this was unfair to the BMW then it was unfair to the G35 (second gen) when it lost to the BMW 330i even though it put up better test numbers and won 4 out of 5 categories last year. Motor Trend picked the G37 as the winner as did Edmunds.com. I guess you are waiting to read the comparison held by Car and Driver because that is going to be a sure win for the BMW.

— kart1 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 7:23:37 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

Congratulation to Infiniti and it new G37 coupe, you did a hell of a job Infiniti. I love the new design of the Infiniti G37. In this category from look alone I would rate the G37 beauty for first 1st place with IS350 and Audi A4.

43LE, with an extra 8k, they can probably add more thing to this already awesome vechicle.

— Lexus (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 8:28:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

why do you people atcually get mad and feel you have to defend teh 3 series... weirdos.
big deal.. your favourite car company lost a comparo.
and bmw arent even that great. what the hell is all teh fuss about.. their just as god as all teh other cars.
ive driven the new 328.. nothing special.
im pretty sure most of teh "fanboys" here are peopel who havent even driven these cars.. get a life.

— StepYaGameUp (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 9:06:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

King? the Bimmer was more like an emperor if anything, but all hail the to the new Dynasty!

— no1listensanyway (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 9:16:17 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

FOR $8000 MORE WITH THAT PIECE OF CRAP. ARE YOU SERIOUS?

— hieneken (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 9:23:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

more hype.

the 3-series has won hundreds of comparisons, been on the C&D ten best list for 15+ years and still outsells the IS and the G COMBINED.

the G is a great car, but i still think the 3 offers the best combination of style and performance in it's class. plus you can get it in a coupe, sedan, wagon or convertible. still on top.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 9:47:53 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

You guys are Pathetic, trusting an automotive magazine to make the decision. its all up to how the editors feel. Why don't you guys go out and test for yourself?

Truthfully, I love BMW, but I think that the new generation 3ers are not as "raw" of a sports car as the E46 generation, but they are still better, by far, than Infiniti.

Of course, that is my opinion.

I think the G37 will compete more with the IS350, than anything else.

— ThierryHenry14 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 10:03:06 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

PS. BMW will continue to sell 90K+ 3er a month, regardless of what magazine says what about them...

And thats the truth...

— ThierryHenry14 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 10:04:21 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

All this article tell me that the G37 is better value for my money, but not the better car...

The 335 still has the edge in performance...handling that is at par with its rival...and better fuel economy...

In all honesty, I'm having a hard time falling in love with the G37 styling...

Anyone know what the estimates on the A5 pricing is?

— Baapo (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 10:33:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I don't know about any of you, but I think this is pretty exciting. I mean, all this time, I thought the only ones who could take down BMW would be Mercedes, Audi, or Lexus. Then Infiniti swoops in out of nowhere and takes BMW's place.

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 10:47:26 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

2 less doors and 30 more hp make the g the head of this class not logical, the g35 sedan has beaten by the is tl type s, the 328i, and the 330i (the first 2 i have no idea why it is clearly the better car) and all of sudden 2 doors and 30hp makes it best in class??? highly unlikely motor trended voted the 330i ahead of the g35 sedan and price wasnt a factor why now sell mags with a catchy title and put the underdog first....and thats not a bias anyone that has ever read my posts knows that i think the g is a great car and the best 3 series alternative because of its value but price aside the 3 series is the best car in its class

— bmwdrvr (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 11:16:15 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

At the end is just matter of your personal choice. I hate to tell this but such as life: G37 is better. I love German cars and my personal choice MB is better than BMW, but if you are budget mind then BMW will be better choice. But in this compare the G37 clearly is the winner and not oly for the price if not by numbers. BMW still needing some help to work with turbos and in that case Alpine or even Mercedes will be able to teach some things about "Ultimate engineering".
335i is a losser if you compare this car with the excellence standard of BMW. They will not keep that on production for too long. Be honest, from now and on you will see the same history very often if BMW is not able to rise the bar again.

— Yonder7 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/25/2007 11:34:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

This aint gonna stop BMW'S sales
Autospies.com readers dont buy BMW'z.. probably look @ these pic

— printhan (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 12:34:01 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Wow Infiniti made a better BMW,than BMW lol!!

— 2JZSoarer (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 12:43:56 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

The Infiniti G37 and BMW 335i Coupe are two excellent vehicles for driving enthusiasts. I happen to enjoy both automakers as they continue to produce wonderful driving machines. I just don't understand when the BMW loses a comparo NO credit is given to the vehicle that outshines it. I personally think both cars are winners,but everyone has there own opinion,whether it's based on loyalty,bias or pure ignorance.

— Infinisun (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 1:33:06 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I agree with previous speculation that BMW sends overboosted testers to the press for review. This could be the reason that they are over heating. I know two people with 335i's and they don't overheat, even when driven hard. Regardless, BMW has been a problematic automobile for me in past ownership experiences.
I find the interior of the 3 series to be very basic and boring, as well potentially becoming dated quickly. The Infiniti's interior is beautiful, and has a very cockpit type layout.
Fuel economy is really not an issue with 12MPG SRT Hemi's rolling around today, and really driving these cars they way they were meant to who cares?
For some the BMW will continue to be their top pick because it will extend a part of their manhood that they lacked all their lives. For those people I say thank you Infiniti for making cars that make sense, not boost egos that lack confidence. To me the G37 is a sexy piece of work, and plays the part it shows off. The BMW as great as it is attracts the wrong client tell, like titsmagee who need a name to justify their means. I have never wanted to be that guy, and because of people like titsmagee BMW will not see me as a client, its become a brand for neuvous riche status seekers. The true enthusiast buys the G37, because they want a performance car not a name.
The BMW doesn't even offer a Limited Slip Differential? WTF?? You have to buy an M car before you get that, and that would make you a enthusiast not a status seeker (status seekers usually have a tighter budget than M car owners). Really though LSD would have no bearing on a status seekers opinion of a car, it should just go fast and have a propeller on the hood.
Its nice to the BMW as the loser this time, pretty soon the status seekers will realize that they are not much different.
Who knows if guys like titsmagee start to like Infinitis for the name one day I just might have to switch brands again. Maybe Kia will start to build nice performance cars too, I hear Hyundai has an up and coming sports car on the way...

— Mazman (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 3:48:29 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

"The BMW doesn't even offer a Limited Slip Differential? "

They do. Just select the M-sport package WITH LSD.

— SevorbeupstryIsBack (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 6:33:07 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Both are great cars. I have to still go with the 335 though. Infiniti still has no image in America, its as bad as owning a Kia.

Incredible though how well this car drives, but it should, it is a JDM Skyline and those cars are sensational.

— titsmagee (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 3:01:42 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Infiniti zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

— xj13 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 4:59:32 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

This thread turned into a haters feast! Congratulations for Infiniti for making a car that would make BMW make a better car and so on. Its called competition which helps them both. But I'll still take the 335i over the G37. Remember it only lost because of the price.... and obviously if the infiniti was as expensive as any BMW nobody will buy it.

— M53R (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 5:02:35 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

it's like eating ramen noodle instead of udon.

— MrGunFun (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 10:58:47 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

"They do. Just select the M-sport package WITH LSD."

SevorbeupstryIsBack, are you sure about this? I thought it had to be an M model.

— SHOWTIME (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 11:18:51 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Infiniti has been gunning for the 3 series since they introduced the G coupe/sedan, and they

— stone (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 12:12:17 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

Infiniti has been gunning for the 3 series since they introduced the G coupe/sedan, what makes some of you think that they do not have the resources to build a car that can beat the 3 series. The performance numbers between these cars is a wash, and stock for stock, neither car is going to run away from the other in ANY acceleration or handling situation. So we are left with purely subjective things to compare. I have sat in the 3 and the G35 sedan and I prefer the G's interior, the 3 looks dated to me, again a purely subjective attribute and other definitely feel differently, as both cars use quality materials, anyone who says the G interior is not comparable to the 3 series just has not sat in both cars. Exterior styling is also subjective and honestly, neither car strikes me as drop dead gorgeous, but I would not call either car ugly either (I have not seen the G Coupe in person, so this opinion might change).
Infiniti wins on value per dollar by miles, the 3 series has great resale but the G Coupe is no slouch in that regard, even with the sub-par 1st generation interior it HAD. Now that the car has a much higher quality interior, I imagine that resale value between the two cars will eventually be a wash also. So we are left with an 8K price difference and i'm sorry, but as good as the 3 series might be, it is NOT 8k better than the Infiniti if it is better at all. Lastly, it is laughable for people to keep saying that if you pick the G, then you must be just too poor to afford the 3 series. I drank that koolaid and bought an 04 745 and have owned it for almost 2 years now, it is a wonderful drive and I do enjoy it, but the 04 LS and Q45 that I drove were both at least 10K cheaper (almost 25K cheaper for the Q45) and I am sure would have been much more reliable. It taught me a valuable lesson when it comes to depreciating assets: "IMAGE IS NOTHING"...........

Stone

— stone (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 12:32:56 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Here again Japan just keeps improving what they do they don't run away like a Chrysler corp and call it quits. The G coupes were 4 bangers and although nice and soild they couldn't compete with the 318i let alone the 325i. But they pulled the entry level and worked hard on it brought back the a G 4cyl while getting ready for the new line of G35's and now the 37's what a nice job they did. That is what happens when you listen to the public and bring out good soild sport sedans and a great dealer network congrats to Infiniti, now go to work on a the 7 series you are on a roll kids?

— chuck717 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 12:41:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Ohh geez lots of sandy vaginas in here. The G35 was an amazing car, and the G37 seems to be even better. It is a proven reliable package that is affordable, attractive, and fast. Why does the BMW have to win to be appreciated? Overheating issue aside, it is obvious it’s a performer, and for some people an auto trans just won’t do.

So what we have are 2 cars in a similar segment competing for different audiences. If your interests are inline with BMW, but it, if your needs better align with Infiniti, then buy it.

If you can't appreciate both, and somehow still get yourself caught up in these ethug arguments then maybe you need to work on that obviously tiny part of your mind which holds your ability to reason, and empathize. A sure sign of immaturity.

Good luck.

Josh

p.s. This comment does not apply to one individual in particular, but rather the collective group of brand bigots unable to appreciate individual company’s products for what they are.

— d1sinfo (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 3:54:03 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

LOL!!!

— 1000rrRider (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 4:12:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

I will take the 335i once BMW decides to put an oil cooler on. I can't imagine why BMW is not putting one on when owners around the globe are making their cooked oil problems known for quite sometime now. They only thing I can think of is that BMW can't produce enough of the oil cooling device.

The BMW 335i is way better looking than the new Infinity G37. LSD is a non-issue unless you are planning on tracking exclusively. But for everyday setup, the 335i is perfectly fine.

The 335i gets better fuel economy thanks to its DFI (direct fuel injection), and it's a bi-turbo engine (which will have a ton of after-market horse power and torque upgrades).

So as soon as BMW fixes the cooked-oil issue, the 335i will win the head to head competition against the G37 or any other car in its segment.

— investor27 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 4:20:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

I can't believe you are still believing that one brand is one thing and one brand is another. What defines this in your mind. Do you even bother to follow the history of either of these brands, or bother to understand or drive either of these cars?

Your posts are pure idiocy. I am sorry there is no other way to describe it.

Josh

— d1sinfo (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 4:12:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Hmmm??? Anyone else think this is a Photochop cover? Will believe it when I see it...

— Porschinator (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 8:28:05 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

1 magazine article picks a G37 over a 335i, and the "king" is dethroned? This is pathetic...

— ThierryHenry14 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/26/2007 10:15:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Oh so my comment directed at Teknik was deleted for using the word 'jack***'...

...Did anyone read Teknik's post? Obviously not.

— Matthew1 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 3:23:25 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

jesus, is there enough bmw ball sucking going around? get over it! the 335i lost! not much unlike the IS350 vs 330i over a year ago. so what does this mean? i guess next year bmw will refresh the 3 series again LOL!

i swear to god the next bmw fan to boast bmw's handling or power had better show some pictures of them on the track. stop taking it so seriously if youre not even at the track getting owned by infinitis!

— gsh23 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 8:12:31 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

The G37 looks like a Nissan Altima Coupe....nuff said.

— weaponX (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 9:33:32 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I really wouldn't say unseated, they are cars for two completely different types of client. It's the same situation when they compared the Veracruz to the RX350. They may be comperable in size and power, but you can't say a certain car is a better value based on price. It's not like the G37 is faster.

— adamsaf723 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 9:55:36 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Who cares what a magazine says about a car? Magazines are known for being biased, and obviously if a car is 8k cheaper that is an advantage to most people. Anyways, if anybody here can say they would rather have the Infiniti if price wasn't an issue is just a liar.

— phantom330 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 11:14:04 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

You know, at this point, you have to wonder what the point of any of these comparos is anymore. Face it, both sides have already chosen their winner and you're probably not going to convince either side differently. Being a BMW owner and having test driven the 335i, I know it will be my next car. Would I consider an Infiniti? Probably not but only because I like BMW, not because it isn't also a quality vehicle.

People need to just get over themselves and their biased opinions and realize that a competitive market is a thriving market. We the consumers are the ones who pit companies against each other and it's only to our benefit.

— futurezero (View Profile)

Posted on 6/27/2007 11:20:28 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Basically it won by a small margin mainly because of the 10% price delta and the oil cooling issue (while the two cars were about even on performance). The oil cooling is a non-issue as its resolved on all new cars. I would pay th 10% premium for the BMW as i think its much nicer looking (if not marginally better at performance). I am also willing to bet the 10% premium is much less than than becuase of BMW's excellent resale value (atleast relative to inifiniti).

— rumnyc (View Profile)

Posted on 6/28/2007 1:11:21 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Vendetta..........nobody said somebody that purchases or leases a G37 or whatever Infiniti can't afford a BMW. In fact, given residuals and lease payments, I'm willing to bet a lease payment on a G37 is just about the same as a 335 considering BMW's have better residuals.

Anyways, the base price for a 335i coupe is 40,800, so I'm not sure who you think you're owning.

— phantom330 (View Profile)

Posted on 6/28/2007 10:19:38 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Is everyone on autospies 12?


Get your head out of your ass and look around. If you don't own these cars, and don't have any plans to own them then why defend them like the are your baby.

This is getting out of hand.

— d1sinfo (View Profile)

Posted on 6/28/2007 11:10:16 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1