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Mercedes Benz Releases Their European Prius Killer
World premiere of the new-generation A-Class at "Auto Mobil International" in Leipzig

The new-generation A-Class will be stepping into the limelight at the "Auto Mobil International" (AMI) motor show in Leipzig from 5th - 13th April, 2008. Following an extensive facelift, the successful compact car is younger, more attractive and more environmentally friendly than ever before. The convenient ECO start/stop function is available for the first time for the high-volume A 150 and A 170 models, which reduces fuel consumption of these BlueEFFICIENCY vehicles by up to nine percent when driving in city traffic. Mercedes-Benz has developed an additional BlueEFFICIENCY package for the three-door A 160 CDI, reducing the Coupé's fuel consumption to just 4.5 litres per 100 kilometres. Independent experts have confirmed these major environmental advances by awarding the A-Class an internationally valid Environmental Certificate - the world's first compact car to receive such an accolade. The new-generation B-Class will also be celebrating its world premiere at the AMI. The sports tourer is now available with a petrol/natural-gas drive system for the very first time.

Since its world premiere in 1997, the A-Class has made a name for itself in the compact-car class as a trendsetter and groundbreaking innovator. Outstanding safety, everyday versatility and hallmark Mercedes reliability have always been the strengths of the A-Class, whose distinctive yet equally versatile concept has won over more than two million drivers since its launch.

The new-generation A-Class builds on these virtues: Mercedes-Benz is presenting a range of five-door saloon and three-door coupé versions in spring 2008, each sporting an all-round upgrade. The front end of the compact Mercedes-Benz is younger, yet at the same time more poised and assured than before. The sweeping lines of the new-look headlamps flow seamlessly along the front and into the flanks, which literally appear to have been moulded from a single piece.

The equally redesigned bumper reinforces this impression; its air intake at the bottom is noticeably larger, emphasising the width of the body. The radiator grille has also been redesigned to reinforce the progressive character of the A-Class.

Design elements at the front help differentiate the A-Class lines even more clearly than before. For instance, the AVANTGARDE line features a specially designed bumper that further emphasises the arrow shape of the front and symbolises even more agility. Individual wheel designs help differentiate the side view of the A-Class lines. While the entry-level model comes with 15-inch wheels with 7-spoke trim, the ELEGANCE and AVANTGARDE lines sport individually styled 16-inch light-alloy wheels. The new, larger exterior mirror housings and the door handles are now painted in the vehicle colour on all model variants.

The rear of the A-Class is dominated by a modified bumper and new-look tail lights that extend well into the flanks. Both features ensure that the body looks wider and even more powerful.

Interior: larger stowage compartments and new fabrics further upgrade the interior
The Mercedes designers also paid particular attention to increasing perceived value when it came to revamping the interior, selecting a range of new high-grade upholstery fabrics and door trim. In addition, new trim elements made out of smoke grey, diagonally brushed aluminium add an upscale feel to the interior of the AVANTGARDE line, while the distinguished ambience of the ELEGANCE model is reinforced through wood trim elements. All variants of the A-Class come with a larger stowage compartment in the centre console and a new-look cup holder between the front seats.

Economy: the A 160 CDI BlueEFFICIENCY consumes just 4.5 litres
The new-generation A-Class emphasises its economy with fuel consumption of between 4.9 and 8.1 litres per 100 kilometres. Thanks to further detailed enhancements, fuel consumption of the sophisticated direct-injection diesel engines has been reduced by over 8 percent or 0.5 litres per 100 kilometres compared with the outgoing models. From autumn 2008, Mercedes-Benz will supply a standard-fit BlueEFFICIENCY package for the three-door A 160 CDIwith manual transmission, which further improves engine efficiency, aerodynamics, rolling resistance, energy management and weight. Taken together, these measures add up to a fuel saving of 0.4 litres so that the A 160 CDIBlueEFFICIENCY consumes just 4.5 litres per 100 kilometres on the NEDC cycle. CO2 emissions of the 60 kW/82 hp coupé are 119 grams per kilometre.

The BlueEFFICIENCY package includes an aerodynamically optimised radiator grille, the rear side of which is sealed off, thus reducing the volume of air flowing into the engine compartment; despite this, sufficient cooling for the CDI engine is ensured at all times. The bodywork has also been lowered by 10 millimetres to further reduce wind drag. The Mercedes engineers have leveraged further potential to save fuel by dynamically controlling the power supply on board the A 160 CDI BlueEFFICIENCY to save energy. The generator management system consistently converts the power generated when the engine decelerates (i.e. on the overrun) into electrical energy, which is then used to recharge the battery in an optimum, energy-efficient manner.

Start/stop function: the engine automatically switches off when idling
The Mercedes engineers have achieved fuel savings for the petrol-engined models of up to 0.4 litres per 100 kilometres on the NEDC cycle thanks to the newly developed ECO start/stop function. This system will be available for the high-volume A 150 BlueEFFICIENCY and A 170 BlueEFFICIENCY models from autumn 2008. It automatically switches the engine off when the driver shifts to neutral at low speed whilst depressing the brake pedal. A special display in the instrument cluster informs the driver if the conditions for switching off the engine are met.

The moment the clutch is pressed or the brake pedal released, the engine springs back to life almost noiselessly and in a fraction of a second. This ability to restart the engine swiftly yet smoothly gives the Mercedes technology a key edge over other systems of this type.

The ECOstart/stop function further reduces fuel consumption by around 6.5 percent on the NEDC cycle. The A 150 BlueEFFICIENCY (70 kW/95 hp) completes the cycle with fuel consumption figures of 5.8 litres per 100 kilometres , the equivalent of 139 grams of carbon dioxide per kilometre.

Even greater savings can be made in urban traffic, as the results of extensive field testing show: Mercedes employees have tested the system in 175 test vehicles, notching up some 1.2 million kilometres in the process. Around half of this marathon testing schedule involved driving on urban roads where the new ECOstart/stop function produced fuel savings of up to nine percent.

Environment: the A-Class is the first compact-class car with an Environmental Certificate
These kinds of practical results are all-important to Mercedes-Benz when it comes to assessing new technologies. The Stuttgart-based brand assesses the environmental compatibility of vehicles not just on the basis of the results of standardised exhaust emissions and fuel consumption measurements but also looks at the entire lifecycle - from manufacture through use over many years to end-of-life disposal. The analysis of more than 40,000 individual processes provides a complete picture that helps the engineers objectively assess development work.

This lifecycle assessment forms the basis for the Environmental Certificate based on the stringent international ISO standard 14062 "Design For Environment" which the A-Class is the world's first compact car to receive.
Mercedes-Benz has put together a brochure including detailed information on
the eco balance sheet and the Environmental Certificate. This brochure is available on the Internet at www.media.daimler.com .

Safety: flashing brake lights warn drivers behind
Mercedes-Benz has also enhanced safety and comfort in the A-Class. Technology from the luxury-class segment has found its way into the compact car with the adaptive brake lights, which add another accident prevention system to the standard specification. During emergency braking when travelling at more than 50 km/h, the brake lights flash at high frequency to warn drivers behind who can consequently react faster and are in a better position to prevent an accident.

The A-Class also sets new standards in this market segment in the area of occupant protection with two-stage front airbags, belt tensioners for the front and outer rear seats, belt force limiters, active front head restraints and head/thorax sidebags. Mercedes-Benz is now complementing this extensive safety technology with crash-responsive emergency lighting in the interior, which comes on automatically after an accident of a defined severity to provide occupants with better orientation and make the task of the emergency services easier.

Parking assist: ultrasound and electric steering make parking easier
In future, A-Class owners will have assistance looking for a parking space and when reverse parking, courtesy of active parking assist, which is optionally available for all model variants. Using newly developed ultrasonic sensors on the sides the system looks for an appropriate spot on either side of the road as the A-Class drives by and informs the driver via a display in the instrument cluster. Once a suitable spot has been found, an arrow also appears in the display, informing the driver on which side of the road the parking spot is located. If the driver selects reverse, accepts the suggested space and depresses the accelerator, active parking assist takes over and manoeuvres the A-Class automatically into the space. The driver simply needs to press the accelerator pedal and use the brake; the ultrasonic sensors associated with PARKTRONIC provide assistance and information on the distance to the vehicle in front of and behind the A-Class.

To be able to use the automatic parking feature, the parking spot only has to be 1.30 metres longer than the A-Class - an indication of the technology's tremendous precision. Thanks to the very compact dimensions of the A-Class, a parking space of just around 5.19 metres long is sufficient to park; no other car can automatically park in such a small space.

The Mercedes engineers have added a new function to the tried-and-trusted assistance system on the A-Class: the Electronic Stability Program (ESP®) on the A-Class now comes with automatic hill-start assist, which prevents the compact car from rolling backwards if the driver moves his or her foot from the brake to the accelerator pedal when moving off on an uphill slope.

Audio: new units offer Bluetooth, colour display and Europe-wide navigation
Just like all the other new Mercedes models in 2008, the A-Class also comes with enhanced units that provide information, communication, navigation and entertainment. The new Audio 50 APS is fitted with a colour display, Europe-wide DVD navigation system and DVD drive, while the top-of-the-range COMAND APS includes hard-disc navigation, Music Register, a slot for SD memory cards and a voice-operated control system. The newly developed, interactive media interface provides even more options for in-car listening pleasure by allowing an optional MP3 player, USBstick or another external audio device to be connected to the A-Class infotainment system.

B-Class: sports tourer with petrol/natural-gas drive system for the first time
Mercedes-Benz has also revamped the design and technology of the B-Class - the success story launched three years ago. Thanks to a series of detailed improvements, the four-cylinder engines now burn up to seven percent less fuel than previously, and distinguish themselves with remarkably low exhaust emissions that undercut the current EU limits by as much as 90 percent. As with the A-Class, the new ECO start/stop function is also available for the high-volume B 150 and B 170 models. Another new development for the B-Class comes in the shape of the bivalent petrol/natural-gas drive system in the B 170 NGT BlueEFFICIENCY, which consumes just 4.9 kilograms of natural gas per 100 kilometres. Converted into the equivalent quantity of petrol energy, the fuel cost per kilometre is around 50 percent less than when running on petrol.


Mercedes Benz Releases Their European Prius Killer



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lyonboylyonboy - 3/28/2008 2:15:20 PM
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I would take this over a Prius altough I am not sure it would sell in the US

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EnnNorakEnnNorak - 4/3/2008 6:28:08 PM
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Mercedes has to kill the FWD and offer it as a RWD with LSD.


1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 3/28/2008 2:18:01 PM
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You crack me up!!!!

A Prius killer in a car not much larger than a Smart?

In fact this should be considered a Smart killer, since it gets better mpg yet seats 4.

Prius killer indeed.


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BoredBored - 3/28/2008 2:40:31 PM
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@ 1970toyotamarc,

Actually, I would like to see Toyota match this. They do sell diesels in Europe, so what's stopping they from matching or at least offering a comparable alternative (and not just a gas/petrol engine)?

Of course, I wouldn't be so concerned about seeing these cars in the U.S. They need to be here, but sadly, American consumers have this weird thing against luxury brands offering hatchbacks (if they only knew?). It could work, though, if they slap a Smart badge on it.

Say, I bet you wished you lived in Iceland where Toyota offers the Hybrid Synergy Drive with a Hydrogen fuel cell?



1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 3/28/2008 4:35:50 PM
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You would like to see Toyota match it, check out the Aygo UK, 61.4mpg, CO2 109g/km, with a gasoline engine, no hybrid even needed (imagine what that mileage would be).


ErichHartmannErichHartmann - 3/28/2008 7:11:49 PM
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The A-Klasse is also available as a four door sedan. Some people, I won't mention any names (Toyota Marc) need to do some research before coming to these conclusions.


1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 3/28/2008 7:35:24 PM
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Oh I am laughing so hard right now, I'm about to fall over. (what is that web thing...ROFLMAO???) Do some research, huh. Well according to MBZ's German website, UK website, and Wikipedia, the A-Klasse is sold as a 3 door and a 5 door. Dont tell me to do my research and then make the mistake of saying they sell a 4 door.

It's a little speck on wheels, which is why I compared to the Aygo. And I dig little specks so I am not judging the vehicle, We need more little specks for sale, especially in the US, to save this planet.

But to compare it to a Prius?????, which MBZ did not even do, 009 did it. I am not digging at MBZ by throwing the Aygo into the mix, I am railing against these ridiculous Germanspies aricles comparing little specks to the Prius. (And in this case, the Prius still comes out on top, anyway.)



RupertRupert - 3/28/2008 7:48:42 PMView My AgentSpace
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The A class is bigger than you thing - it's about the same size as a Golf or Corolla or Civic. It's not a tiny little car like the Aygo or Smart. It seats 5.


1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 3/28/2008 9:46:59 PM
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I would not want to be that 5th occupant. The thing is tiny, no not as small as an Aygo, but not even Corolla/Civic sized. It only feels roomy because it is ungainly tall as a truck. And I certainly realize it is bigger than a two seater Smart. My original point was that any "smart" shopper would upgrade from the Smart to something like this. I'm not knocking the car at all. It puts the Smart to shame in packaging and efficiency. But not the Prius, which is several classes larger and still more efficient.


ErichHartmannErichHartmann - 3/29/2008 11:10:56 AM
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The "5-door" label means the four doors with the fifth "door" being the trunk door. This is often used to describe hatchbacks. The term four-door is also correct, since technically the "5-door A-Klasse" has only four doors.


HoofHeartedHoofHearted - 3/30/2008 12:45:27 PM
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An A Class is not much bigger than a smart? What are you smoking? An A class is significantly bigger. We have a smart and a relative has the new A-Class so I know what I'm talking about here.

Other than that I'd take the Prius any day simply on quality and reliability. 2 Years of misery owning an M-B taught me never to darken their showrooms again.



BoredBored - 3/31/2008 1:35:56 AM
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@ 1970toyotamarc,

I took a look at the Argo (and its doppelgangers Puegeot 107 and Citroen C1) -- very nice! It seems a little underpowered when it comes to acceleration, at least for use in the U.S.

Interesting that the gas [petrol] engine is built by Daihautsu and the diesel is built by Ford/PSA.



Agent009Agent009 - 3/28/2008 2:29:06 PMView My AgentSpace
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That equates to 52.2699074 MPG give or take a bit

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vladyxavladyxa - 3/28/2008 3:49:54 PM
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XeroK00L

You absolutely right on US mileage , but UK mileage would go other way to about 35 mpg, because UK uses nautical mile, which is more than US mile.


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RupertRupert - 3/28/2008 7:49:34 PMView My AgentSpace
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Looking at the wrong bit, Xerokool:
Taken together, these measures add up to a fuel saving of 0.4 litres so that the A 160 CDIBlueEFFICIENCY consumes just 4.5 litres per 100 kilometres on the NEDC cycle. CO2 emissions of the 60 kW/82 hp coupé are 119 grams per kilometre.

Still no Prius killer, and it is stupid to label it so.


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bulldogzbulldogz - 3/28/2008 2:35:52 PM
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silver1silver1 - 3/28/2008 2:43:24 PM
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LIKE I STATED. MERCEDES IS COPYING LEXUS, NOW THEY ARE COPYING TOYOTA!!! SHAME!!!

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vladyxavladyxa - 3/28/2008 3:55:06 PM
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I neither agree, nor disagree, but even if they do - it is good that they coming out with this car. Some people do want small car, but they cannot drive Prius, because they are too cool, rich (or any word that would fit in this sentence), and they refuse to drive anything other than MB.


lexusrox123lexusrox123 - 3/28/2008 8:52:03 PM
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i agree. hey its my opinion! you mb freaks dont have to rip on me!!


MiltonMilton - 3/28/2008 2:59:21 PM
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This Merc is better than Prius in almost every way...

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silver1silver1 - 3/28/2008 4:08:48 PM
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And what way that is? That it's going to fall apart because people think their getting get gas mileage after it falls apart.

Mercedes has to also remember that people that purchase fuel effecient vehicles drive a lot. So I can't imagine on how this will hold up at over 70,000 and beyond.

People who pick these type of cars also want reliablity in additional to fuel economy. They want to save money and not be at the shop 364 days out of 365 days a year...



ErichHartmannErichHartmann - 3/28/2008 7:08:41 PM
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The Mercedes-Benz A-Klasse and B-Klasse are more reliable than a Toyota Corolla. Source: ADAC


silver1silver1 - 3/29/2008 8:00:32 AM
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This is America. And a reliable source we choose here are consumer reports and J.D. Power. And according to them, it'll be a cold day in hell before any Mercedes be reliable than the #1 selling car in the world. Toyota Corolla.


85bmw745i85bmw745i - 3/31/2008 12:06:04 AM
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we have an older benz right now for scheduled maintainence that just turned 1 million miles. As far a JD power and associates, they are paid off by the domestic auto industry. Come on, you should see some of the cars they give the award of best initial quality to.


ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 4/10/2008 6:24:09 AM
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JD Powers, i don't trust either. in an interview, the founder talked of a company he used to work for, where they "tortured the figures until they confessed" to please clients.

he may have had a conscience when he quit and started his own company. but it seems his conscience has SINCE been sold for $$$ and "invented" awards. LOL.

CR on the other hand, is still fairly trustworthy.




BigShow50BigShow50 - 3/28/2008 3:10:01 PM
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MB can probably from a marketing stand point say what they want now, but when the Next Gen Prius comes out early next year, it's once again back to the drawing board for MB. And I'm sure MB is well aware of that! It's too bad they can barely keep up, especially by spending millions more everyday in R&D to figure out Toyota's Hybrid game.

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1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 3/28/2008 4:43:14 PM
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First of all Mercedes is not the one saying that this is a Prius killer. That is courtesy of our beloved 009.

And yes, all these Prius killers and Lexus killers floating around are hilarious. Especially since most are either brand new (this car), in some cases concepts (diesel hybrid VW) and in other cases pipe dreams (Volt), so you would hope that they make some kind of leap against all their competition.

Yet when the cars actually come out, it turns out most of them cant even compete with the current Priuses and Lexuses, let alone the next generations. (Eg the lackluster ML Bluetec, that pales in performance, mpg and emissions to the RX400h.)



ErichHartmannErichHartmann - 3/28/2008 7:10:36 PM
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"Yet when the cars actually come out, it turns out most of them cant even compete with the current Priuses and Lexuses, let alone the next generations. (Eg the lackluster ML Bluetec, that pales in performance, mpg and emissions to the RX400h.)"


Please tell me how the ML Bluetec can't compete with the Lexus RX400h, I would like to hear some factual information instead of your biased views which are based on pure dislike of the Mercedes brand.

The RX400h is a car for people who want to believe they're doing something good for the environment. It's a fuel inefficient car 70% of the time. No review here recommends the RX400h because of so-called fuel economy.



RupertRupert - 3/28/2008 7:51:26 PMView My AgentSpace
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The ML bluetec does fall short, the X5 3.0d is a better proposition.


1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 3/28/2008 9:48:45 PM
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Not to turn this into a SUV thrad, but the current RX 400h has better mpg, emissions and 0-60 than the brand new bluetec ML that weve been so eagerly anticpating for the past 2 years.


WillisWillis - 3/29/2008 4:58:36 AM
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Um, independent tests have shown the ML320 CDI / Bluetec to achieve much better fuel economy than the RX400h, particularly in mixed driving. When it comes to urban driving the RX400h has the edge.

Acceleration is irrelevant here. Nobody buying these cars cares about much about 0-60 acceleration.



ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 3/29/2008 7:23:58 PM
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actually, accelerative capability is LESS RELEVANT on highway than city/urban usage. how much time do you spend accelerating vs. cruising?

the proportion of time spent in city vs. highway driving VARIES according to individual situations. one can as easily say the RX400 is more efficient 70% of the time.




JUGNUJUGNU - 3/28/2008 3:19:17 PMView My AgentSpace
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more like a Smart and MB's image killer.

JUGNU


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audispyaudispy - 3/28/2008 4:39:28 PM
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Anybody else think it kinda looks like a small ambulance?

MB hasn't been doing to well in design lately.


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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 3/28/2008 7:15:55 PMView My AgentSpace
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Things like that are said so often that they're not even close to being funny.


ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 3/29/2008 6:49:35 PM
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no disrespect to MB, but it IS a funny comment! to anyone with even a smidgen of a sense of humor.


1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 3/28/2008 4:47:08 PM
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BTW, from the Toyota UK website, the MIDSIZED Prius burns 4.2L/100km and 104g/km of CO2. Even the A Class's highest mpg engine cant beat that. (not to mention its emissions will be way higher natch.)

And it's what a "D" segment car, where this one is an "A" segment.

Prius killer indeed.


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RupertRupert - 3/28/2008 7:59:59 PMView My AgentSpace
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The A class is not A segment! The A class is the size of a Corolla, Civic or Golf, it's not some tiny little toy like the Smart (which makes no sense unless you live in a big city).
And by the EU way of measuring things, the Prius and the A class are in the same size bracket.
The point is, the Merc gets pretty good MPG and emissions without using very expensive technology like the Prius, but instead simple modifications. Toyota still make s aloss of each Prius sold (but makes a profit on its other hybrid vehicles). All the development work in making the Prius slippery and light make it expensive, so for this relatively ordinary car to achieve so much with little extra cost is very good. There are now several cars in this size class to get below 120g/km emissions using little more than tweaks: Focus 1.6 tdci and 1.6 tdci Econetic (same offical MPG as Prius), Peugeot 308 1.6 hdi (no extra mods at all), Citroen C4 1.6hdi, BMW 118d, Audi 1.9TDIe, and now this A class.



RupertRupert - 3/28/2008 8:02:15 PMView My AgentSpace
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And this A classes' emissions are 119 g/km.
"Taken together, these measures add up to a fuel saving of 0.4 litres so that the A 160 CDIBlueEFFICIENCY consumes just 4.5 litres per 100 kilometres on the NEDC cycle. CO2 emissions of the 60 kW/82 hp coupé are 119 grams per kilometre."

The 139 figure was for the 1.5 petrol.



1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 3/29/2008 4:14:01 AM
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I'm always willing to learn. So tell me, what are the segments of the A Klasse, B Klasse, and C Klasse, if not A, B C?

The A is nowhere near the size of a Corolla or Civic. Maybe they are smaller in Europe, but in the US, the Civic and Corolla are practically the size of the C Klasse.

So please for the sake of us Americans explain the concept of the segments.

I dont know the actual dimensions, but my guess would be for Toyota
A-Aygo
B-Yaris
C-Corolla
D-Prius, Camry

And then by that logic, I would assume for MBZ
A-A
B-B
C-C
D-E?

All of which is interesting from an academic point of view. But none of which changes the point that this article, thanks to 009's inflammatory headline claims that the A is a Prius killer, which for the number of reasons pointed put previously is simply not true.

And what makes you think that Toyota takes a loss on Priuses. Is Toyota lying when they say that the car is profitable? Or are you privvy to insider info?
"http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_hb5584/is_200210/ai_n23553357".....Toyota, as of 2002, stating that Priuses were alreay profitable. That was 6 years ago.

And finally, yes there are several cars, esp anywhere other than the US, that are high mileage (the aforementioned Aygo being one). But most of them are closer in size to the A Klasse than the Prius. Nothing anywhere comes close to the Prius's amazing combination of size, performance, fuel efficiency and low emissions. Nothing.



RupertRupert - 3/29/2008 10:05:38 AMView My AgentSpace
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The A and B classes are both in the same segment (I think the B class is useless), and size wise, they are C segment cars. The C class is a D segment car, like the 3 series, A4, Passat, Accord, Mondeo, and all those other cars.

The Civic and Corolla hatchbacks are smaller than the C class, and are the same size as a Golf, Focus, Megane, 1 series, 308, A class or A3. I don't know where you got the impression that the A class was tiny and the Corolla huge.

Let me give you examples of different segments, which we don't always call A segment, but give them names:
Mini-cars: Aygo, Fox, Lupo, Smart, C1, 107, Panda, Fiat 500
Supermini: Polo, Yaris, Jazz (Fit), 207, Fiesta, Mazda2, Clio, Punto
Small family cars: Corolla, Prius (In Europe it's in this class), Golf, Focus, 308, A class, 1 series, A3, Civic, Qashqai, Mazda3, Jetta, Bravo, 147
Large family cars: Mondeo, Laguna, 407, C5, Mazda6, Passat, Accord, 9-3, A4, 3 series, C class, IS, 159 (These premium ones can also be called small executive cars)
Large executive cars: GS, E class, 5 series, A6, XF, S80, 9-5, 166
Luxury cars: S class, A8, 7 series, LS, XJ

See here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_size_class#Europe
We don't have official sizings, but just general ones, hence the Prius is a Golf competitor, as it is roughly the same size.

I had read that the Prius was a loss maker, but perhaps I am wrong.



ErichHartmannErichHartmann - 3/29/2008 11:08:26 AM
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The A-Klasse is in the same size class as the Toyota Corolla.


1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 3/29/2008 8:33:19 PM
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That list seems so random to me. And thats not your fault. But there is no way these classes would hold up in the US. Our EPA rates vehicles sizes by interior volume. It doesnt always makes sense because a huge MBZ CL will be compact, but that is because no matter how large it is, it is not spacious inside. Likewise, a smaller car can be sized up if it is efficiently packaged. But overall when you put cars side by side it mostly makes sense. A Prius is therefore midsized (D?), while a Civic or Corolla is compact (C?) and a Yaris is subcompact (B?). The MINI is a minicompact (A?)

3 series, C classes, A4s et al are compact cars here, based on their actual size, not some randomness that your Euro rankings seem to have.

Having never seen an A class in person, but seeing its dimensions on line, and having seen small B classes up close, I'm sticking with my assertion that the A is tiny, tho clearly not A segment. It is nowhere near the size of a Prius. Those Euro rankings are warped, putting them in the same class, and putting the Prius in a class smaller than the A4, C, IS and 3. Based on this I'm sticking with my assertion that the Prius is significantly larger than the A class. Therefore this comparison is bogus, meant to stir up controversy (Good Job, 009!!!!!). But that is moot, because being significantly larger, the Prius is still more efficient.

Thank you for your insights, and for providing the info I requested. It is certainly not your fault that those Euro rankings are so bizarre.



RupertRupert - 3/29/2008 9:36:23 PMView My AgentSpace
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The Mini is too big to be an A segment - it is regarded as a Yaris-sized car, so B segment.
The B class is only slightly bigger than the A class - there's only a few inches in it.
The A class is closer to the Prius than you think - not size wise (a lot shorter) but it has a bigger boot due to its height (it's a fairly tall vehicle). Its height also makes it look proportionally smaller, so perhaps that's why you think it's small.
The Prius is about 60 cm longer than the A class, but the A class is 20 cm wider and 10 cm taller, and while the Prius' boot is 405 litres, the A class' is 435 litres.
Let's compare the Prius to Toyota's own Auris, which replaced the Corolla, and is fixed as a C segment car, the size of a Golf, Civic, Focus etc. The Auris is taller and wider than the Prius, but about 20 cm shorter. It also has a smaller boot, although not by a huge amount.
Now, the largest car in the 'Small Family' class, the Ford Focus (I believe). It is only 10 cm shorter than the Prius, and has a boot only 20 litres smaller (we can therefore see how the A class' height adds bootspace). The Focus is also 20 cm wider, and 1 cm taller than the Prius, so size wise, they are very close, which is why the Prius is classed in the same class.
What about the larger cars you were comparing the Prius to? The A4, C, 3, and IS. Now, the A4 is the largest in its class, and has a boot over 80 litres larger, is 30 cm longer than the Prius, 30 cm wider, and slightly lower.
The C class has a boot 70 litres larger, is 10 cm longer, 30 cm wider, and again, slightly lower.
The 3 series has a boot 60 litres larger, is 8 cm longer, 10 cm wider and about 5 cm lower.
The IS has a boot 30 litres smaller, is 12 cm longer, 10 cm wider, and 5 cm lower.

So really, the Prius fits in the middle. Largest of the small family, or smallest of the large family. Tough choice.



HeyhuubHeyhuub - 3/30/2008 7:55:05 AM
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Don't know how you people can keep thinking a A-class is tiny when you americans probably haven't ever seen one in your life.

Boot - Prius (405L) - A-class (435L) 1370L with back seats down
Head room front - Prius (945-1000mm) - A class (960-1030mm)
Head room back - Prius (910mm)- A class (965mm)
Interior width front - Prius (1435mm) - A class (1440mm)
Interior width back - Prius (1420mm) - A class (1450mm)
Distance between seat and pedals - Prius (860-1080mm)- A class (920 - 1180)

The only size in which the Prius is superior is the wheelbase and total length for the car which operantly has no effect on the interior space.



RupertRupert - 3/30/2008 10:08:33 AMView My AgentSpace
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I've been trying to say the A class is a very spacious car, and it is not some tiny Smart-rival.


bmwfan1513bmwfan1513 - 3/28/2008 5:16:09 PM
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This car is so UGLY. Mercedes needs to redo this one.

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HyundaiHyundai - 3/28/2008 6:48:05 PM
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From the rear-3/4, this kind of looks like a pygmy Prius.

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HyundaiHyundai - 3/28/2008 9:39:49 PM
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The ones who de-boosted me didn't notice the similarities in the d-pillar?

http://image.automotive.com/f/miscellaneous/2007-toyota-prius-touring-edition/1000547+w700+cr1+re0+ar1/2007-toyota-prius-touring-edition-rear-right.jpg

http://www.autospies.com/images/users/Agent009/MB%201%20series%20(1).jpg

They look very similar... pygmy-Prius......... I SAID IT AGAIN. Hey, both are ugly! I'll make both sides happy!



ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 3/29/2008 7:58:15 PM
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uh, actually no. the 3-dr HAS no d-pillar, and the 5-dr's would be only like that on a much squashed down prius.

where they DO share the look of a shrunken prius, is in having very smooth, aero styling. and Kamm tails, with the MB's being taller.



S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 3/28/2008 7:13:40 PMView My AgentSpace
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That's odd. There are countless hatches and compact sedans in Europe that get far better mileage than this. Are those all "Prius killers," too?

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1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 3/28/2008 7:38:53 PM
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I wouldnt say countless. But yes there are definitely some. Little micro-cars with little engines should be getting better mpg than the midsized, full featured Prius. The fact that more of them do not beat the Prius (like the Smart, at least the US version, hello 41 hwy is the best they could do???) is the real travesty.




WillisWillis - 3/29/2008 5:01:19 AM
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41 mpg without any fancy technology. Remove the electric motor from the Prius and its fuel economy would drop big time. The 1.5-l engine in the Prius has to then move the relatively heavy Prius from a standstill up to speed. Guess how much fuel that uses?

So quit talking trash about the A class. The Prius is overrated.




S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 3/29/2008 10:47:04 AMView My AgentSpace
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1970, you didn't understand.

I'm saying that there are plenty of cars about the size of this A-Class that get much better mileage. It isn't very impressive. I'm not talking about the Prius.



ErichHartmannErichHartmann - 3/29/2008 11:07:26 AM
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Interesting how the mileage of the A-Klasse isn't "impressive" to some people. The A-Klasse is a relatively heavy car for its class. It is loaded with safety equipment and components that strengthen structural rigidity. In its class the A-Klasse is one of the leading cars in terms of safety. This adds weight. I would say that "41 mpg" is pretty damn impressive for such a car, especially also considering that the engine is agile and powerful.


1970toyotamarc1970toyotamarc - 3/29/2008 8:39:40 PM
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S4, you dont seem to understand that I am basically agreeing with you. (I know because it is so rare.)

The fact is this whole mess has NOTHING to do with the Prius. Little cars with little engines should get good mileage. the problem with all this nonsense is that 009 seems to think that this little A class gets better mileage than the Prius, which it does not. But yes there are others that do. I just wouldnt say countless, mainly because I believe that many of these mfrs are not squeezing the kind of mileage out of these little guys as they should, ahem....smart... 41 mpg....



HeyhuubHeyhuub - 3/30/2008 7:55:31 AM
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Don't know how you people can keep thinking a A-class is tiny when you americans probably haven't ever seen one in your life.

Boot - Prius (405L) - A-class (435L) 1370L with back seats down
Head room front - Prius (945-1000mm) - A class (960-1030mm)
Head room back - Prius (910mm)- A class (965mm)
Interior width front - Prius (1435mm) - A class (1440mm)
Interior width back - Prius (1420mm) - A class (1450mm)
Distance between seat and pedals - Prius (860-1080mm)- A class (920 - 1180)

The only size in which the Prius is superior is the wheelbase and total length for the car which operantly has no effect on the interior space.



lexusrox123lexusrox123 - 3/28/2008 8:47:25 PM
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id take the prius any day. its bigger, and i wouldnt be caought dead in that little mb matchbox car. its way too small for me.


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andrazandraz - 3/29/2008 5:13:30 AM
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This web site is a proof of the idiocracy evolution going on.

First of all, prius and mercedes A, as so many times, apples and oranges. Different cars, different target groups, even different prices. Actually prius is more expensive. And yes, Mercedes A is a great car with lots of space, surprisingly.

This agent009, what the hell is wrong with you to even compare this kind of cars? Not even mentioning the fact that this is just a facelift, meaning, the current mercedes A model has been sold around the world for quite few years.

If you want to compare sizes Mercedes vs Toyota, then:

A class = Toyota corolla hatch (yes, even the american version)
B class = not sure what you have in the states, but in europe that would be corolla verso
C class = its actually fairly small car, in my opinion the smaller then B (inside), so it compares with corolla again or with Avensis
E class = Camry for sure, although I cant remember the last time I saw camry in europe. Not for a year for sure.

anyhow, stop with stupid comparisons. Specially for european audience where Toyota does not really set the benchmarks. VW, Renault, PSA, perhaps Fiat and Ford set the standards here.


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WillisWillis - 3/29/2008 7:08:35 AM
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Excellent post.


RupertRupert - 3/29/2008 10:06:55 AMView My AgentSpace
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They haven't sold the Camry in Europe for about 5 years.


ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 3/29/2008 7:03:49 PM
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there are no Corolla HATCHES offered in america.

otherwise, yours seems a sensible post, if only in clarifying the seeming VAGUENESS of euro "classes."

it used to be, engine size largely defined class, but this is hardly applicable today.

the most OBJECTIVE measures, are 1) wheelbase, 2) passenger volume, 3) trunk/cargo volume, and 4) overall length.

with conversions between inches and centimeters, direct comparisons can be made.




NiraliSherniNiraliSherni - 3/29/2008 6:08:19 AM
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If the car can really deliver on the promises of fuel efficiency and low emissions, that would be great. It is great the way the big auto companies are becoming aware of the environment and developing greener technology.
-http://www.zapworld.com


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adamsaf723adamsaf723 - 3/29/2008 9:04:17 AM
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It looks to German for me.

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lexusrox123lexusrox123 - 3/29/2008 11:17:20 AM
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looks like a nissan versa to me...

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