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Mercedes M-Class to get a Bluetec diesel-hybrid in 2 years

omarrana submitted on 04/18/2007 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 9:06 AM
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Mercedes M-Class to get a Bluetec diesel-hybrid in 2 years

Thomas Weber told reporters at this year’s Geneva Motor Show that “in 2009 we will have the first Mercedes-branded hybrid on the market.” Well now we might know what model will be the first to go hybrid at Mercedes. Just-Auto is reporting that Mercedes-Benz could have a Bluetec diesel-electric hybrid variant of the M-Class on sale in the UK within the next two years. Mercedes-Benz will be working with BMW, sharing hybrid technology to producing the SUV and other hybrids to later arrive on the market.

The Bluetec diesel-hybrid M-Class is expected to get 40 mpg with CO2 emissions to be under 200g/km. Read Article

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enthusiastx11 - 4/19/2007 12:50:12 AM

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a statement only a backward individual would make.

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budfrogS4 - 4/18/2007 10:33:25 AMView My AgentSpace

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Also an asian american myself, I am not blinded by patriotism. I'd rather support something that has the potential to be truly superior and that is the integration of diesel and hybrids. I like the asian approach with hybrids and it's ability to conserve the amount of fuel we use but this takes it a step further and provides us a way to conserve (actually, conserve even futher) and use a renewable fuel source.

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budfrogS4 - 4/18/2007 10:38:17 AMView My AgentSpace

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Is 40 mpg what they're aiming for or is the number based on an engine they are working on? With only 40 mpg (ya i know it's a suv) it still sounds like a burly engine. Diesel v8 power for diesel v6 efficiency?

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TheSailor - 4/18/2007 10:55:53 AMView My AgentSpace

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Nice! but i agree... 40 MPG... I had expected it to do better... But then again, if it has the same sort of power as a GS450h, 40 MPG is actually really good...

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SupraNeverBack - 4/18/2007 12:25:10 PM

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Yeah, diesel hybrid, whatever they are smoking.

If they could make a gas hybrid in 2009, I will applause for them.

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budfrogS4 - 4/18/2007 12:44:35 PMView My AgentSpace

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Granted I don't know much about how hybrid systems work but I'm not sure why it'd be that much harder than a gas hybrid. The two powertrains aren't that much different (diesel vs petrol). Then again, we've seen over and over that anticipated dates are usually a year or two premature.

TheSailor - 4/18/2007 1:28:53 PMView My AgentSpace

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The japanese hybrids were all made to fill the gap where diesels should have been, but aren't because of stupid legislation in the US. Now other companies are beginning to see that there is a market and want to join the party, but instead of doing the easy thing, they did the right thing... This guy is just crossed because Toyota wasn't first.

I agree with you budfrogS4, the difference between the two systems isn't that big, diesel engines does have more torque and that might influence the reliability. But I have no doubt that Mercedes will pull it off.
I think that the reason why Toyota haven't made a diesel hybrid is because they are so far behind the Germans and the French when it comes to diesel engines.

Agent63 - 4/18/2007 9:48:55 PMView My AgentSpace

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Mercedes is famous for diesels I don't know what you're smoking.

It's not like Toyota was the first to implement hybrid-technology into a car anyway so I don't see what the brag is about.

enthusiastx11 - 4/19/2007 12:48:21 AM

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diesels get far better mileage than their gasoline counterparts.
therefore...
a hybrid diesel will get far better mileage than a hybrid gasoline engine.

makes a lot of sense. to argue against it is simply closed-minded.

huu76 - 4/18/2007 6:54:08 PM

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It sounds good at first, but a hybrid-diesel that still gives out 200g/km? It's not all that great considering the GS450h gives out 182g. Being greener means lowering emissions, not raising them. This thing must be a V10 diesel.

Whoever thinks diesel reduces our dependence on oil should look into it. Some more.

A diesel hybrid will be no better, no worse to a gas-hybrid. Both are super efficient in the city, no questions about that. On the highway, diesel gets the 30% boost in mileage, but it also gets hit with the needing 25% more oil to make.

It comes down to emissions and price. The Japanese gas-hybrid wins in both since I have yet to see anything to come out of Germany that's priced for the every day person. (the Jetta bluetec is hovering around $30K CDN from earlier estimates on this website. That's a few hundred more than a Prius).

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S4cabriofoxone - 4/19/2007 12:30:11 AMView My AgentSpace

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However, the ML320 Hyblutec gets better mileage than the GS450h, and it also has a trunk that is about ten times the size. Don't be surprised if it's less money to boot.

S4cabriofoxone - 4/19/2007 12:31:30 AMView My AgentSpace

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BTW, read the fine print:

"The Bluetec diesel-hybrid M-Class is expected to get 40 mpg with CO2 emissions to be under 200g/km."

"...under 200g/km."

"...under 200g/km."

This is the same thing that happened in my own IS-F thread, months ago. Some were speculating that the engine power would "only" be 400hp, but Lexs clearly stated "over 400hp." Hipocrite!

enthusiastx11 - 4/19/2007 12:53:42 AM

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and the GS450h gets 20mpg overall per the most recent test in car & driver.
this SUV is expected to get DOUBLE the mileage.
so how exactly is the GSh superior? 182 vs 200 CO2 isn't much difference.

enthusiastx11 - 4/19/2007 12:54:46 AM

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huu:
and the GS450h is "priced for the everyday person?" it's $65,000!!

enthusiastx11 - 4/19/2007 12:49:30 AM

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great that they're adding a hybrid component to already efficient and proven diesel technology. 40mpg is damn impressive for a luxury SUV!

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Anthony - 4/19/2007 2:20:26 AM

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It is only now when more people start to take hybrids seriously. Thank you Toyota for putting hybrid technology on the forefront.

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S4cabriofoxone - 4/19/2007 10:29:19 PMView My AgentSpace

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I still don't, to be honest. It's not a lasting technology. The M Hybluetec just has amazing mileage- much better than any Lexus hybrid, and even on par with the Camry hybrid. If it were not a hybrid, I would take it that much better; I feel that you can extract much more efficiency out of the average engine than most automakers do today. WITHOUT using hybrids.

silent_power - 4/19/2007 12:58:35 PM

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Why people persist to compare GS450h and ML320?
GS450h is the fastest GS sedan. If you want a SUV then RX400h is for you.Both GS450h,RX400h get same mpg's, yet GS450h does 0-60 in less than 5.5 seconds...

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huu76 - 4/19/2007 11:00:55 PM

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Man, I had a lapse there, totally forgot about the RXh.
www.lexus.co.uk shows it is 192g/km, gets 37mpg highway, 31 city, 35mpg combined.
The same site says 35.8mpg combined for the GS450h, and 186g/km.

I assume this article's 40mpg is imperial gallons since it's the UK market.

So vs. the RX, this M gets almost 15% improved fuel economy eventhough it doesn't really need to use diesel in the city where it's least efficient (it should be getting atleast 30% better economy).

Foxy,
Expected and doing are mutually exclusive. 199.9g/km is technically under 200 (when it's actually done). You can expect whatever you want.

enthusiast,
Funny, this car and driver road test from Dec. 2006 says the ML320cdi only got 19mpg US, 28mpg UK.
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/11895/2006-mercedes-benz-ml320-cdi-4matic.html

April 2007, Car and Driver got U.S. 24mpg of admitted hard driving in the RX-h, which happens to have a larger gasoline engine.
http://www.caranddriver.com/longroadtests/12526/lexus-rx400h-awd.html

Both real world tests from YOUR reference source.

Bluetec-hybrid will be going up against SynergyDrive3, so good luck to MB on that one. Remember boys and girls, Bluetec is only supposed to make diesel clean enough to sell in N.America, not improve mileage or outdo hybrids.

On an unrelated note, I'm not fond of this new website layout, it looks to be designed for the visually impaired. Unless someone posts worthwhile info, I'm outta here for a bit.

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huu76 - 4/19/2007 11:10:29 PM

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enthusiast,
(sigh), 18g/km might not seem much to an uninformed European wannabe (or the real thing), but to those of use who live in reality, it adds up.

18g/km x 30,000km/yr = 540kg per car, per year (1/2 a ton of CO2). If you can manage it, multiply that by a relatively low volume of sales from 100,000 units. Needlessly emitting 54,000 tons of CO2 because they're adamant that they'd rather go down the wrong path than follow the Japanese down the right one. If only the EU would grow some balls and stop subsidizing diesel (I suppose bribes from VW are hard to pass up).

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TheSailor - 4/21/2007 7:23:32 AMView My AgentSpace

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You do know that a diesel car with, lets say, 100 hp will emmit less CO2 than a gasoline car with 100 hp right? Because it will be exactly the same here! If you take a diesel hybrid with X hp and a gasoline hybrid with X hp, to things will happen, the diesel will get better mileage and it will emmit less CO2... That is actually quite basic knowledge to anybody who claims to have any understanding, what so ever (which you obviously haven't), of internal combustion engines...

and lets not start on the whole diesel takes more crude issue again... Even if your assumptions were correct (no you don't have to show me the stupid link that proves nothing again) it would still have a 5% better efficiency than its gasoline counterparts, and with hybrid technology it would AT LEAST reach a similar gain compared to gasoline hybrids in the same size of car...

huu76 - 4/25/2007 11:26:54 PM

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Yes, the hybrid diesel should have a better gain over a hybrid gas one (atleast 30% since diesel would run mostly on the highway where its best, but the numbers show it's only approx. a 15% gain).

The fact remains the same, the RXh, with a larger gas engine, will still have better emissions than a smaller diesel hybrid while the diesel-hybrid appears to lose much of its mileage advantage (for whatever unknown reason).

You can play around all you want with the HP equation.

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