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More revealing shots of Lexus LF-A supercar
Photos of the engine of Lexus’ upcoming halo model, the LF-A, have been snapped by photographers as the car competed over the weekend at the Nurburgring 24 hour endurance challenge in Germany.

During a pit stop engineers opened up the hood and also changed the tires, giving us full view of the engine bay and brake assembly.

Lexus is yet to reveal any specs for the car but most suggest it will be a high-rev 5.0L V10 with at least 500hp on tap.
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_43LE_43LE - 5/26/2008 9:54:22 AM
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I've come to realize on this site that anything that encroaches on established marques (i.e. European) gets ripped to shreds here, especially Lexus. No matter what strategy they take they get criticized.

Lower price/high value strategy: cheap, bargain, not really luxury, they work their people to death, etc.

Higher price strategy: not worth it, could never compete with, bla bla bla.

So much pre-judging on this car it's scary. Why don't we wait until it actually comes out. Remember all the negative comments about the GT-R before it came out?

Many people automatically hate anything that shakes their world view, especially if it comes from a place they no little or nothing about.


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bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 5/26/2008 11:33:10 AM
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yet at the same time with all that said, there is nothing wrong with not liking a car for whatever reason, this isnt geography class, nor politics, its about cars, if you dont like a car no problem thats your choice there are hundreds of car models to choose from........why people have to like this thing or any other car or their wrong.......is baffling to me its ok to not like this thing, or any other car stop wining


EL44EL44 - 5/26/2008 12:06:17 PMView My AgentSpace
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43LE regarding my profession, i meet few peaple each year that show this kind of attitude. I don't know your profession but you're releaving a crucial point in humain mind, which is prouves also scientificaly.



LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 12:07:01 PM
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"Remember all the negative comments about the GT-R before it came out?"

- Yeah that's true. But the GT-R never had a proposed price of $225K. At that price the scrutiny is increased heavily. Especially for a brand that has never made that type of vehicle before.

Its a bold step for Lexus. They still have yet to surpass BMW when it comes to driving dynamics. I'm not sure how they will be able to compete with Ferrari. We'll see.



LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 12:11:08 PM
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"There is no flop in the Lexus lineup"

- Maybe not their current lineup but the SC430 was a flop.



LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 12:17:06 PM
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I get de-boosted? There's actually someone here that likes the Lexus Sc430? What a Laugh!


_43LE_43LE - 5/26/2008 2:42:49 PM
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"dude, I don't remember too many negative comments about GT-R before it cameout..i've read lots of postitive stuff..just my 2 cents."

How long have you been on this site? The GT-R was continuously trashed here before it was launched.



"why people have to like this thing or any other car or their wrong.......is baffling to me it's ok to not like this thing, or any other car stop wining"

Yeah, but when it's consistently the same people showing an irrational hatred towards cars from a certain area, you have to raise an eyebrow.



bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 5/26/2008 9:00:45 PM
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"an irrational hatred" are we talking about racisim or cars??? the fact that i was deboosted for saying there is nothing wrong with not liking a car proves my point....these exact same crazed fans trash american and european cars saying they arent reliable but if anyone saids the slightest negative comment regarding a Japanese make than they interject with bs morals......these are cars if someone doesnt like a Lexus who cares...alot of people dont like them, alot of people do. the fact people are saying its ugly, and overpriced have nothing to do with it being Japanese they arent saying they hate Japan and japanese people.....stop wining


Agent63Agent63 - 5/27/2008 7:38:40 AMView My AgentSpace
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MichaelTaylor:

"Look at the flops from Mercedes (R class, CL class and C sportcoupe) and BMW (1 series, X6) for example. There is no flop in the Lexus lineup. There is a market for the LF-A. Mark my words."

How are the CL's, 1-Series & X6 flops already when they came out not too long ago. Lexus is no flop because all they have been offering have been mainly sedans!. The SC400(SOARER) and SC430 are sports cars? not even close. The LF-A will be built well and I'm sure pack some punch but it's still got to face reality and realize it's competition is still there.

You base your judgments on the US Market but not worldwide. I just hope the LF-A is better than the SC430(which I'm sure it is). In that case the LF-A is a good proposition.

However you're claims that Lexus is at the top of chain is incorrect and purely you're opinion.

By the way what Lexus do you own?



lovecars11lovecars11 - 5/27/2008 8:49:54 AM
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I could not agree more with 43LE. For year now people have bagged Lexus without foundation. From experience it is because they cannot think outside the box and follow the pack to buy a BMW. Regardless of which car you own enjoy as it a personal thing. Remember this in Australia wankers or real estate agents (one of the thing) love BMW'S, one reason not to buy one.


_43LE_43LE - 5/27/2008 10:25:40 AM
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"the fact people are saying its ugly, and overpriced have nothing to do with it being Japanese they arent saying they hate Japan and japanese people.....stop wining"

I disagree. If you take the time to read peoples' comments and understand it in context with all of their other comments it will be obvious.

P.S. It's not whining, it's a simple observation of the double standard that many here have here on autospies, does that include you?







STJ88STJ88 - 5/26/2008 10:11:15 AM
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This site is full of hater that post stupid comment without any explenation.

And for any body that is thinking of saying the LF-A did bad at the 24hrs Nurburgring event. it wasn't thear to race but to help the testing. Because we al know that the standaard LF-A did a 7:24 on the ring.


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diesselxpdiesselxp - 5/26/2008 10:46:56 AM
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THE SITE SAID LEXUS LF-A FINISH IN 132th(100 LAPS) IS NOT RIGHT,LEXUS LF-A FINISH IN 121th AND COMPLETING 106 LAPS. NOT MAKE ANY DIFFERENCE BUT JUST TO BE HONEST,JUST TAKE A LOOK:

http://adac.24h-rennen.de/en/live/database.html


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TheSailorTheSailor - 5/26/2008 10:59:53 AMView My AgentSpace
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I'm sure this is an impressive car, but I can't love it! It is just (and I know I'm going to get flamed for this) to japanese! To many chefs! It reminds me of the Mitsubishi 3000GT... They really tried... And they really had a nice recipe, but they still failed! There is no overall design here! It's a bit of a Frankenstein's monster. A lot of design elements that each in their own right are very nice, but put them together and it just doesn't work! It looks like some 13-year-old's wet dream... Unfortunately, 13-year-olds seldom have 200k+ to blow on a car...

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LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 11:55:53 AM
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Does the $225k price include a $100K markup?

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SoSnootySoSoSnootySo - 5/26/2008 12:07:27 PM
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I don't like the interior. Red switches are so ricer. Not to mention the net around the window. What kind of high tech security is that? From a $225k car? Not even a cup holder! And the engine is so drab and ugly. It's like this car was created for testing or something. Ferrari engines look 10 times better!

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EL44EL44 - 5/26/2008 12:10:27 PMView My AgentSpace
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don't buy it, oh if you've money.


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 12:14:42 PM
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Everything was OK your comments except the "cup holder" part. I'm OK with with a Sports-Car not having a cup-holder. A minivan is a different story.


EL44EL44 - 5/26/2008 12:08:07 PMView My AgentSpace
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EL34EL34 - 5/26/2008 12:17:55 PM
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Anyone that buys this car will be the worlds biggest chump, but some can't tell the difference between $h!t and shinola.

:/


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LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 12:19:50 PM
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+1 boost for you


EL44EL44 - 5/26/2008 12:19:29 PMView My AgentSpace
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and between you and big sh..t.

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EL44EL44 - 5/26/2008 12:21:47 PMView My AgentSpace
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here we go again with all LEXUYS haters!

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Threepoint1415926Threepoint1415926 - 5/26/2008 4:24:32 PM
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Reading down the posts, I've actually noticed 90% of the comments are preemptive posts from Lexus fan boys complaining about posts that aren't even there.


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 12:32:32 PM
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Dude,

Don't bust a blood-vessel. Its only a car.




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LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 2:33:25 PM
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It's amazing how people switch the subject from cars to personal attacks.

Take a deep breath and repeat after me. "It's OK for someone to have different preferences than I do".


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lexusrox123lexusrox123 - 5/27/2008 8:58:06 AM
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LOL! that just made my day rite there!
btw, its "pedophile"


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diesselxpdiesselxp - 5/26/2008 12:32:25 PM
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THEY ARE JELOUS BECAUSE NOBODY TALK TO MUCH ABOUT GERMANS CAR IN THIS TIME.
NOW THE LEXUS LF-A IS BE BEST SENSATION FOR THIS TIME.
DON'T TALK TO MUCH,JUST WAIT FOR THE FINAL PRODUCTION THE LF-A.
ANY WEBSITE YOU GO U WILL SEE LEXUS LF-A FOR BAD NEWS(lexus haters) OR FOR GOOD NEWS right?

JUST BE READY GERMANS BOYS LF-A IS COMING SOON.



DIESSEL_XP


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LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 12:33:54 PM
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Just like the IS-F was coming, and before that the IS350. Both fell short of the mark. Pardon me for not having high expectations.


EL44EL44 - 5/26/2008 12:52:45 PMView My AgentSpace
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Oh yes? That's whay EVO gave 5 stars to M3 and ISF and C&D has choosen the ISF?



LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 1:30:43 PM
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Can you point me to that Car and Driver Article?


EL44EL44 - 5/26/2008 2:18:47 PMView My AgentSpace
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I'm sorry i meant TopGear Sorry for the mistake. But TopGear has chooser the ISF over the M3.


fatboifatboi - 5/26/2008 1:01:59 PM
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in my opinion, the GT-R got a free marketing offered by lexus it self ! With a " rIPPP oFFffFF " price tag as much as 200K + people who were " and still " whining about how the LF-A will beat the GT-R got a shock after revealing the price,. Who would pay 200k + not to mention the black market price that will start as soon this over priced super cars .


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Agent63Agent63 - 5/27/2008 7:43:06 AMView My AgentSpace
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It may be easy to crack but I don't think it caters to the same markets as it's rivals. Buyers of GT-R's, NSX's, and LF-A probably was the import tuners of the 90's. Of course there will be some seniors who will buy because this won't be as hard and intimidating to drive compared to a German or Italian car. It'll be more tamed and more luxury based as the SL. Mind you, being a direct competition with the SL isn't a bad thing. The SL's beautiful, comfortable, and luxurious. I expect the same from the LF-A. Anything is better than that turtle of a car who people call the SC430.

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LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 1:29:43 PM
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It's amazing how some people can draw conclusions from someone life based on posts on a Automotive Board.

I don't like Lexus. Do you have a problem with that?


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EL44EL44 - 5/26/2008 2:20:12 PMView My AgentSpace
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The first sentence describe exatctly your attitude!

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LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 2:26:05 PM
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And what would be that be? Care to enlighten?

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2JayZee2JayZee - 5/26/2008 1:11:06 PM
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Everybody blabbering about a $200k price tag. Last I checked, the car hasn't even gone into production YET, and Lexus hasn't officially announced it's price. It's all speculation, nothing to get your panties in a bunch over.

The content & membership of this site has really gone down the gutter......Why the hell do I even bother to come here?


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LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 1:39:00 PM
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Aren't you a part of the "membership"?


huu76huu76 - 5/26/2008 1:24:55 PM
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EL34,
I believe the chumps belong to BMW. Who releases a last generation car to undercut their own current generation 3-series?
Everything in their lineup is an oxymoron and the sheep still flock to it because they just gotta have that propellor to show-off their potency (or lack of).

What bugs everybody is that Lexus will price it, and plenty of people will buy it because it's not another ho-hum rebadged yuppy German car.


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LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 1:35:13 PM
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Are you saying that BMW doesn't build great cars? If not, Then what the hell are you saying?


EL44EL44 - 5/26/2008 2:22:29 PMView My AgentSpace
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LEXUS, BMW, MB and AUDI and all doing great cars. Soon INFINITY will join the bunch if not already.


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 2:24:43 PM
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EL44,

I agree with you but you have the order wrong :-)



EL34EL34 - 5/26/2008 3:28:29 PM
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Nobody with their head screwed on correctly is gunna pay $150,000 for a Toyota that looks like a futuristic wannabe Ferrari.

Do I make myself clear Gilligan?



STJ88STJ88 - 5/26/2008 2:11:43 PM
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Stop the comments LexSucks or you will brake EL34's record of De boost!

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LexSucksLexSucks - 5/26/2008 2:23:16 PM
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I'd say that record currently belongs to Micheal Taylor and the rest of the Lexus Lunatics. They've had tons more posts turn "grey" than mine.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 5/26/2008 3:24:53 PMView My AgentSpace
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Looks interesting, a LOT like the concept. I can't say I loved the way the concept looked, but I'll have to wait to pass judgement on this.

One thing I'm sure about is that I would hate having that wide of a center console.


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EL34EL34 - 5/26/2008 3:29:43 PM
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Looks like it came out of a first generation Hummer :-/


autoproautopro - 5/26/2008 4:07:18 PMView My AgentSpace
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The bashing just means its a real threat.

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JUGNUJUGNU - 5/26/2008 4:20:12 PMView My AgentSpace
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I Just can't wait to see the finished car and the promised great numbers. $200K+ is nothing if it got the rumoured numbers. 7:24 nurburgring time, 0-60 under 3 seconds...etc would be awesome.

JUGNU


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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 5/26/2008 9:29:38 PMView My AgentSpace
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What the hell makes you think it will accelerate from 0-60 in under 3 seconds??? I don't think so.


ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 5/26/2008 9:39:11 PM
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in any GIVEN locale, THE MARKET sets the price (not mere exchange rates), determined by the number of potential buyers accepting or rejecting asking prices. for ANY product in high demand and limited supply, sellers can and do ask for whatever the market will bear.

if demand stays ahead of production (as happened with the toyota prius for a few YEARS, and the initial run of ls600hl which sold at 3x the projected rate) they very likely WILL GET a buyer for every single car they make. in which case, kudos to them!
as mentioned above, being made of carbon fiber, more than a few buyers will feel the car IS A BARGAIN at a mere $225k.

the car winning its class at the last Nurburgring race also ESTABLISHES its cred.

and, the mere fact that it will be MORE EXCLUSIVE than ferraris and lambos for many years will itself attract certain buyers. as with RR customers, PRICE WILL BE NO OBJECT for these kind of buyers. and again, a 'mere' $225k WILL seem a true bargain!

people who've criticized the genius of toyota and lexus MARKETING (yes! but based on good analyses) have A HISTORY of later having to eat their words.



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auto001auto001 - 5/26/2008 10:17:35 PM
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"I've come to realize on this site that anything that encroaches on established marques (i.e. European) gets ripped to shreds here..."

It's called the "fear of the inevitable combined with inferiority complex".

It's like the kid you used to bully all through junior high/high school, then you come across his name later in life, when you find out he is now 6'5 and the star of your college football team :) you know if he sees you, there will some serious beating (now that the roles are reversed, so you stay out of sight and continue to talk trash behind his back (because you've got a bruised ego with a foolish pride and don't want to look like a chump in front of your friends)


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JUGNUJUGNU - 5/27/2008 8:14:54 AMView My AgentSpace
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IS-F can do 0-60 in nearly 4 seconds, so what do u think this carbon made 200K+ Super car can't shave 1 second.
Ohh yes i forgot it's a Lexus. If it were Audi u would have THINK SO.

JUGNU


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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 5/27/2008 8:45:47 PMView My AgentSpace
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"IS-F can do 0-60 in nearly 4 seconds"

The IS-F is the SLOWEST CAR IN ITS CLASS. Slower than last-gen RS4, slower than M3 and slower than C63 AMG.

The LF-A will do 0-60 in the 3 second range, not under.



answeranswer - 5/27/2008 11:56:10 AMView My AgentSpace
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What the hell?

There's several people posting non-biased and logical comments in a LF-A topic???



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RiceSucksRiceSucks - 5/27/2008 12:58:52 PM
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Japanese cars are aspirational in nature. They are a decent facsimile of European cars. With a 200k+ price this fugly thing better perform like a Veyron.

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auto001auto001 - 5/29/2008 2:02:44 AM
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you probably used a similar argument before GT-R came out :)


M35MTM35MT - 5/27/2008 1:33:59 PMView My AgentSpace
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A word about the price.

Months back I argued that many high end MB AMG models include a 'markup' in their price just because people will pay anything for them. I was wrong, as pointed out by many MB fans on the site, because it was the engineering, materials, etc. that drove up the price of the high end benzs.

With the LF-A, you have a car that has spent years in R&D ($$$) and will likely have plenty of carbon fiber, and use a rare, costly engine for Toyota to develop. The interior will also have to be top notch and have expensive materials to get the cred Lexus is looking for.

All this translates into a high price. You may think their 'crazy' for charging this much, however, if they're going to build it, knowing Toyota, the books must balance.


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PorschinatorPorschinator - 5/27/2008 6:29:05 PM
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LOL some of you guys are tearing apart the interior? And engine? WTF? Do you also think the pictures are the finished product? Must have been kidding...

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chris357chris357 - 5/29/2008 7:27:13 PM
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I would think that anyone who is into any of the exotic cars who can buy them probably has a collection of cars anyway why wouldnt they buy an LF-A just to have one of these too. It doesnt have to be better, just different, and if it has some interesting or even mind bending advancements... then even better. This car will be considered a success no matter what simply because they will only build what they know they can sell.

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