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NEW BMW M3 Review

bmwwyspa submitted on 08/22/2007 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 6:30 AM
from: driving.timesonline.co.uk

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NEW BMW M3 Review

“I would recommend buyers of this car to experience its track capabilities and its dynamics – but always with a qualified instructor,” Rolf Scheibner, who is not only the product manager of the M3 and an instructor but also a racing driver, said. Read Article

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BenzW124 - 8/22/2007 9:26:26 AM

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The best car in the wrold, right behind the 7-Series! No POS Audi or Lexus should even bother trying to compete.

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david989 - 8/22/2007 11:41:48 AM

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With the LS600h out now, the A8 and S class have to fight for 2nd and 3rd place now and leave first place to the best car, the Lexus.

SHOWTIME - 8/22/2007 11:47:11 AM

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Hey buddy, don't be like some of the lexus dudes talking crap. It makes it that much more interesting when other companies compete.

EL34 - 8/22/2007 9:54:58 AM

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What they should do with this car is take it to Laguna Seca and perform some burnouts with (c)rap being played in the background.

That other company did it so they can catch up to 30 years of automobile engineering from BMW.

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Will_ - 8/22/2007 10:12:06 AM

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"Thaat other company" did what they did to give an exclusive preview of a highly-anticipated car to their loyal customers. The video was put together by an individual, not the company.

The company in question put together a team of dedicated and enthusiastic engineers to produce a compact performance sedan as a separate project all in itself.

Will_ - 8/22/2007 10:41:10 AM

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What an ignorant, but typical comment from you about Infiniti and BMW being the only brands that produce "enthusiast cars." Where is the brand supposed to start?

david999 - 8/22/2007 11:27:54 AM

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Lots of great cars don't have sticks-only anymore, including Ferrari.

bulldogz - 8/22/2007 12:01:37 PM

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"...Start by offering a stick in the IS350. If they want it to be considered a serious sports sedan, the automatic has got to go. Same goes for the IS-F."

Right, because the AMG is not a true sports car? Hey, how many M5s are selling with that stick you so highly brag about? Dumbass.

Will_ - 8/22/2007 12:33:59 PM

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There are about 5 people left in the world that want a fully-automatic transmission, and they all have memberships to this site. It doesn't take a manual to make a performance car.

FENDI - 8/22/2007 12:44:21 PM

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It's pretty obvious that Lexus has put more focus on making more luxury-oriented vehicles than performance ones, so I don't see why "Wi11" needs to try and rub that in people's face. I thought the topic here was about the new M3, but I guess it expectedly shifted focus to the IS-F, the very first serious performance car from the brand, not the rest of their line-up.

Will_ - 8/22/2007 1:05:57 PM

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I meant to say a fully-manual transmission before. Transmission technology is so advanced that it literally is making manuals obsolete.

Will_ - 8/22/2007 2:29:25 PM

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My first car had a 5-speed manual transmission, and that was back in the mid-'80s. In fact, Mercedes stopped offering manuals on later-model years due to lack of sales.

A manual's fine for people who want to squeeze as much fuel economy out of their car as possible, but aside from that I don't see the necessity.

Will_ - 8/22/2007 2:53:19 PM

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There are alot of us on this site that enjoy luxury cars of a higher caliber than the boy-racer, manual soapboxes that you speak of. Cars such as the E-/S-Class and GS/LS do not sell well, or even bother to offer manual transmissions.

As I've already stated, there is so much tecnological advance in the automotive world concerning transmissions that manuals will continue to decline. BMW doesn't even sell as many manual 3-Serie as they do automatics.

Will_ - 8/22/2007 3:16:38 PM

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As if the repetitive, monotonous phrase "real car guys," followed by a list of more cars you think I have no interest in isn't "pompous?" Or your old and tired remarks on my current car aren't "pompous." What a joke you are, mini-me. Just for your own personal fun, I'd choose a DB9 or CL63 AMG (with automatics) over all those cars.

Will_ - 8/22/2007 3:40:07 PM

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You mean manuals, and no I didn't say they were totally irrelevant, for clearly you worship manuals. However, I am only stating fact when I say that more people prefer automatics, and that manuals are not a prerequisite for all performance cars.

Will_ - 8/22/2007 4:01:23 PM

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I guess having a manual transmission in your mind gives you another bullet point as to why you can feel superior to everyone around you. "I know how to shift, you don't. Ha Ha!" How immature.

S4cabriofoxone - 8/22/2007 11:01:37 PMView My AgentSpace

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"Real" car guys could probably afford both. I'd have an S8 (fast luxury) with a 911 in my garage.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 8/23/2007 7:47:16 AM

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"Right, because the AMG is not a true sports car? Hey, how many M5s are selling with that stick you so highly brag about? Dumbass. "

1) the SMG gearbox in the M5 is rubbish
2) AMG always had automatics, way before anybody else. It is part of their Autobahn stormer philosophy. Lexus doesn't has that.

Tosser.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 8/23/2007 7:50:26 AM

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"I meant to say a fully-manual transmission before. Transmission technology is so advanced that it literally is making manuals obsolete."

Yes, I agree with you from a technical point of view.

BUT

Nothing can offer you the same driving involvement as a proper manual transmission. Clicking some paddles or pushing some buttons just doesn't do it for me. In a BMW, Ferrari, Lamborghini, Porsche, .. etc I will ALWAYS order a manual transmission.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 8/23/2007 7:53:29 AM

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"BMW doesn't even sell as many manual 3-Serie as they do automatics."

In America that is.

enthusiastx11 - 8/25/2007 12:59:29 PM

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that other company did it as yet another marketing ploy that they could control since they know they're going up against a giant.

david999 - 8/22/2007 10:48:08 AM

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The M3 is no doubt a great car, but for the money I would still take the 335i.

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david989 - 8/22/2007 11:42:57 AM

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I would go for the Lexus IS-F. Nothing compares to it.

S4cabriofoxone - 8/22/2007 11:02:44 PMView My AgentSpace

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What do you mean, "for the money?" This is $20K more than the 335i. I mean, you COULD put the Vishnu kit on the 335i and it will be able to (barely) keep up with the M3, but it's not the same. I prefer the 335i's looks, but the M3's performance.

rudeboiM3 - 8/22/2007 11:13:24 AMView My AgentSpace

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I would stick with the E46 M3...

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SevorbeupstryIsBack - 8/22/2007 2:42:26 PM

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"The CSL was “a real racer for the road”, BMW said. The powerful new V8 M3 is not. But it is exciting, practical, technologically advanced and socially acceptable – even if it can be persuaded to break the rules and smoke in a public place."

There you have it. The M3 is still the king in the handling segment, without any doubt. Untill the CSL comes. Or maybe the RS5?

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minimalist - 8/22/2007 4:27:50 PM

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this isnt a review; its a press release by a bmw professional driver whom is also responsible for product management.

whats funny is that this article seems to be a rebuttal to the spreading rumors that the new m3 just isnt a spectacular or involving car for daily driving which is reason he invites drivers "to test it on the track to see its capabilities which transfer to safety on the road..." yet which drivers are unable to feel.

lol. excellent spin doctor and worthy of his position at bmw.

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GermanNut - 8/23/2007 10:59:24 AM

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BenzW124 spewing his uneducated personal opinion yet again. He is clearly completely uninformed about automotive news otherwise he would know that the Audi A8 and Mercedes S have easily defeated the 7-series in just about every single comparison test there has been between the three cars

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BMW4me4ever - 8/23/2007 12:06:54 PMView My AgentSpace

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Who cares about the Audi A8? How many cars did they sell last month in the US, all 201? Also, The Audi A8 has not easily defeated the 7-series in most comparison tests. The Audi won in 2004, but it was slower, didnt handle as well, was smaller, didnt stop as well ... The BMW blew the Audi off the road in the numbers, but they didnt really care for the Idrive ( which wasnt that good then in 2004 ). January 2007 again the BMW was faster, stopped better was more responsive ... They just dont like the idrive and that is the sole reason the audi wins ... If they just went on driving , BMW wins

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JTRacer - 8/23/2007 8:28:34 PM

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Track?? Ya right!!.. what do you expect buyers from this group that can't even learn how to shift gears themselves???? Fast trips to the supermarket is guanranteed, however.

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chris760 - 8/23/2007 10:01:24 PM

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im sorry but the Audi Benz and BMW v12 sedans out perform the lexus ls600h POS in just about every aspect

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