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NEW YORK AUTO SHOW: Lexus LX570- STUD or DUD?
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NEW YORK AUTO SHOW: Lexus LX570- STUD or DUD?
The hottest new SUV at the 2007 New York Auto Show was definitely the new Lexus LX570.
Not only was it a significant step forward compared to the old LX470, the new truck employs some pretty cool new technological features (Lexus Intuitive Park Assist, first-in-its-class Pre-Collision System with Adaptive Cruise Control, new blind corner monitor) not available on any other SUV. We want to know...Is it a STUD or a DUD?
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jt716
- 4/10/2007 1:41:57 PM
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dud
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jt716
- 4/10/2007 1:43:15 PM
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the fact that the rear is straight off a Lincoln makes it a dud. Need to work on design prefer the older one
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Carboy
- 4/10/2007 3:02:30 PM
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DUD
MagnumOne
- 4/10/2007 1:57:20 PM
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It's hard to say by pictures alone, but doesn't the car look really boxy and dated? This looks as if it could have been a car launched before the new IS.
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jasongoudie
- 4/10/2007 2:01:01 PM
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Love the inside... hate the outside!!!
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kpaxx
- 4/10/2007 2:02:06 PM
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The interior does not look fluid....very fragmented and piecemeal design. I can't but think this is a tundra when I look at the dash.
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SupraNeverBack
- 4/10/2007 2:42:57 PM
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The material quality will be same as LS460 if not better.
You got to be kidding. S-Class steering wheel is one the most ugly out there. LS570 one is no different from other Toyota/Lexus.
zorbeeze
- 4/10/2007 7:33:54 PM
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To Sevorbeupstry, you obviously have not been in a Lexus if you think all their interiors are messy, cheap and ugly. Lexus has very good quality in their interiors and they are the quitest cars. Take one for a road trip and you won't regret it.
Carboy
- 4/13/2007 6:55:02 PM
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ME TOO.
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izfuney
- 4/10/2007 2:15:25 PM
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Stud !
1) Beatutiful interior with quality appointments.
2) Based of the Toyota LandCruiser, to anybody who knows anything about offroading, you will know what this statement means.
3)Intriguing exterior design. Lexus went with its own design language, which I like . Individuality as opposed universal blandness.
All in all a good evolutionary update to the LX470. No doubt that it will sell by the boatload. (especially in California)
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Agent63
- 4/10/2007 2:19:12 PM
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I agree with you on all points except the rear end of this new LX as it is not intriguing at all.
Agent63
- 4/10/2007 3:24:39 PM
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funny how someone deboosted me for that comment and on my other post i was boosted up.
daytonaviolet
- 4/10/2007 3:46:34 PM
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Based of the Toyota LandCruiser, to anybody who knows anything about offroading, you will know what this statement means.
When was the last time someone bought a Lexus to take it off-road?
Willis
- 4/10/2007 4:42:04 PM
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When was the last time someone bought a Landcruiser for offroading? Today, people buy a Landcruiser because it is an affordable SUV and it is seen as hip or "in fashion". Two of my neighbours have Landcruisers and those things are always shiny. There's never any mud or dirt on them.
As good as the Landcruiser may be offroad, even that car is hardly bought for offroading anymore. And seriously, with a gas-guzzling V8 in the American Landcruiser, I hardly doubt a sane person will even attempt to safari it for fear of running out of gas.
The 1970s and 1980s Landcruisers were "real SUV's" with economy in mind. The current Landcruiser has mutated into a semi-luxury SUV with good offroading capabilities but terrible range because of poor fuel economy.
speedmaster
- 4/10/2007 9:14:53 PM
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I am tired of people spouting the fact this is off-road credible because of its land cruiser roots.
I own a real land cruiser as my weekend toy- A 1971 Fj40. I've also owned a FJ60, FZ80 in the past.
The last real land cruiser SOLD in the USA was the FZ80 (1991-1997) Land cruisers and LX 450. They have solid axles and can be fitted with rear locking diffs.
The LX 470 and current LC do not have rear diffs available in the USA.
The Land Cruiser legacy stems from the fact that the United Nations and peace keeping forces uses the older FJ70s and prados (none of which are sold in the USA). The hard core - defender, mercedes g-wagon type land cruisers are not sold in the USA. They even have land cruiser trucks. They're like the defender, they are barebone without the lux pretenses.
In the UK, the version we have now is called the Land Cruiser "Amazon" It is a plush mobile. All the reviews and tests I've seen have derailed the current LX470/current LC.
The mythical land cruiser name should not be applied to these current vehicles. The FJ Cruiser is more of a offroader than these lux mobiles.
Don't count on these posh mobiles to be representative of the land cruiser legacy.
Back to this truck. The design is horrid. Massive overhangs, 20" bling wheels. It has no off-road provenance. They should have stuck with the Sequoia platformed and glammed it for US consumption. At least the Sequoia can compete with the Escalade and Hummers.
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KeyserSoze
- 4/10/2007 2:16:18 PM
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These pictures look very good!
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Agent63
- 4/10/2007 2:18:08 PM
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It's a dud in a design standpoint. In a functionality standpoint it's still got it. The interior is a much needed improvement it looks like it should have been.
Exterior wise I prefer the new front end with the old rear end. Interior I would obviously take the new one as it's much more refined looking. It's basically an LS in SUV form.
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S4cabriofoxone
- 4/10/2007 2:29:26 PM
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Somewhere in between... the exterior I'm starting to get used to, but I still prefer the LX470's understated, more elegant lines. When you get past the front end, nothing about this car looks like a Lexus to me.
Interior is an improvement. Looks sumptuous. It is busy with all of the different details, but I'm sure it's a very pleasant place to spend a road trip. And I loved the 470's interior, too- I didn't think they could make much improvement.
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SupraNeverBack
- 4/10/2007 2:31:03 PM
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Powertrain: 381hp/401lb.ft regular gas+ heavy duty 6 sp transmission
Nice interior and so many luxury features
Safety features like 10 airbags, pre-crash system etc.
Capability and utility
Minus:
Need beefy 18" 5 spoke wheels
Tail lights design could be improved a bit
Third row seat should be removable
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paul3230
- 4/10/2007 4:48:06 PM
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- fuel economy..
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- 4/10/2007 2:33:51 PM
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First glance: dud.
After seeing the interior and warming up to the exterior design: stud.
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S4cabriofoxone
- 4/10/2007 9:57:07 PM
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Do you really think the exterior is "studly?" It's inoffensive, but it's not STYLISH, like the Range Rover.
CarbonBlue
- 4/10/2007 2:47:10 PM
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interior:nice, but too busy
exterior: profile similar to the old Mazda MPV...looks kinda like a bigger updated version, other than the awful grille
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PlanB
- 4/10/2007 2:56:48 PM
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Technology and interior: Stud. Exterior design: DUD. Since last week it has started to grow on me but I'd still take an Escalade over this any day. And please not one person bring up off-road capabilities. The only time luxury trucks this size and this expensive go off-road is in the commercials they star in. 99.9% of these things never leave the cushy neighborhoods their owners live in I'm sure.
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Neverfollow
- 4/10/2007 3:15:28 PM
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Big ole DUD.
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topneuro
- 4/10/2007 3:32:58 PM
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MEGADUD
Looks like the offspring of a 2007 Lincoln Navigator and 2008 Toyota Highlander.
The third row seat, what a disappointment, now you cannot even remove them.
MB 2007 GL450 did a better job with the third seat design and the spare tire placement.
And what’s with five spoke wheels, true SUV have six.
Hope they do a better job with the 2008 GX470.
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Designer1
- 4/10/2007 3:42:11 PM
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Dud on the outside and stud in the inside. :-)
I'm very disapointed at Lexus with this LX, the older model was just MUCH nicer compared to this.
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aefsc430
- 4/10/2007 3:47:57 PM
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This car is without a doubt a STUD. I dont even think you should be comparing it to the GL, its in a class of its own. I couldn't chose one or the other for exterior design, but the interior of the LX is much richer and packed with more features than the GL.
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S4cabriofoxone
- 4/10/2007 10:00:07 PM
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So, instead of admitting that the GL is easily the better-looking vehicle like all of the sane posters, you make an excuse like you're "not choosing between the two?" What is that?
And have you ever sat in a GL? It may not have as much wood trim as the new LX, but the interior is much more focused in its appearance, and is really quite luxurious- up there with the Range Rover. It's also $15K less than the outgoing LX470... Lexus better be competitive with the 570's pricing.
Westside7th
- 4/10/2007 3:48:26 PM
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The grill looks like the grill on the old Explorers. The rear end is ugly.
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chuck717
- 4/10/2007 3:54:30 PM
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Nice big boring (nothing to get excited about) in other words DUD!
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Willis
- 4/10/2007 5:43:37 PM
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Some cars sell despite being ugly. Lexus customers have demonstrated in the past that they don't care much for design, or have no idea what constitutes a design that is considered elegant or classy.
The LX570 is neither elegant or classy. It's a monstrosity thrown together from old Toyota and modern Lexus styling cues and utterly fails at looking balanced or beautiful.
I wouldn't be surprised if it sold well, but keep in mind that this car will probably sell based on its utility ratings, not design.
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Will_
- 4/10/2007 4:35:14 PM
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What's with the username?
I would have liked to have seen a smoother exterior even though I already think it looks great for a full-size luxury off-roader. No doubt the interior is immaculate.
And this is directly based off the LandCruiser.
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EL34
- 4/10/2007 8:44:03 PM
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Will & Wi11 this SUV will never be driven off the pavement.
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paul3230
- 4/10/2007 4:47:37 PM
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I'm SHOCKED that no one in this forum even mentioned fuel economy. With gas prices on the rise, and yet, if this was GM unveiling something, it would again show the world that GM was close minded and out of touch. Toyota launches a new/heavier Tundra and a new full size Lexus model and yet...nothing. Interesting..
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Willis
- 4/10/2007 4:53:26 PM
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Design: I have to say this, unproportioned. Hard to believe that the company that designed the LS460 also designed this monstrosity. Nothing feels balanced on the outside. A bloated LS460 front, a 1990s Landcruiser side and rear profile. Boring and dull. Sorry Lexus fans, but this truck is a dud design wise.
Interior: Material wise, ok. Design wise, not pleasing. A Cadillac Escalade and Lincoln Navigator copy, but with better materials. Dissapointing overall.
I'm not really an SUV guy anyways, but this car lacks an interesting style. Compared to the Mercedes GL or Audi Q7, the LX570 is one ugly truck.
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david999
- 4/10/2007 5:39:11 PM
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You are dreaming if you believe a GL or Q7 look better than the LX570.
Willis
- 4/10/2007 5:44:59 PM
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Design is subjective. Personally, I feel that the Mercedes GL is the best looking big SUV in this segment. It's also very offroad capable and comes with more efficient engines (diesels) as well.
To me, the LX570 is one ugly lump of thrown together Toyota and Lexus styling cues. The LS460 is a nice car, but the LS front looks bloated and fat on this truck.
JUGNU
- 4/10/2007 4:59:23 PM
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LS + LC = The new LX
It's a blend of two winners.
BTW Stud, it's definitely a step forward but not a breakthrough model(who just obliterate the rivals) which I expected.
It fulfilled 80% of my expectations.
JUGNU
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wac77
- 4/10/2007 5:26:48 PM
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DUD
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M35er
- 4/10/2007 5:27:37 PM
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it will do well because it is a lexus but in that price range there are better choices. styling looks dated and too conservative.
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izfuney
- 4/10/2007 5:32:49 PM
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"When was the last time someone bought a Lexus to take it off-road?"
Oh ! just around the time the Porsche Cayenne was going through the woods... :) or the Ferrari 430 was actually raced insead of being jacked up in some collectors garage or the 1000's of porsche 911 turbos were used for more then cruising california boulevards.
In all seriousness, having the capability dsoent necessary imply that you are going to use it !!! Its the american way .. If we truly only drove what we needed, we would all be in little Geo Metro's.
Note : In the UAE the sheikhs love driving these things for falcon hunting over the sand dunes .. thats the only usecase i sort of know ...
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izfuney
- 4/10/2007 5:39:02 PM
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As for the Agent63 plaintive cry for why people debbost him for simply liking the Lexus.
Umm this is AutoSpies, get used to it!! If you have a smidgen of logic in your statement or have a preference for automotives from nations NOT in Europe, you will be deboosted.
Think of it like swimming in the gutter, anything with wieght sinks to the bottom in the vile muck..While the scum floats on the top...
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Agent63
- 4/10/2007 9:50:20 PM
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I think you're the dud here. Looking for trouble online I see you're quite the cool guy everyone is envious of(YEAH RIGHT LOL). Why don't you learn to keep your mouth shut and mind your own business. I was simply complimenting the Lexus. If you've been here enough I'm a Mercedes fan. I'm an avid German fan more than Lexus but I respect Lexus as a brand so I state the good and the bad. There's no need for your dumb comments around here. You're a dud and this is Autospies.com, get used to it.
no1listensanyway
- 4/10/2007 5:43:16 PM
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Exterior: DUD. It looks chunky and confused.
Interior: Stud. Looks like another amazing Lexus interior job, I especially love the gauges.
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trd1
- 4/10/2007 7:10:15 PM
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stud, but the rear end is gotta go.
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zorbeeze
- 4/10/2007 7:31:36 PM
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I hate SUV's so my opinion is a little biased here but damn that is one horrible looking suv. Too big, too boxy, disgusting interior, not fluid at all, just a very disproportionate vehicle.
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printhan
- 4/10/2007 7:55:46 PM
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Interior is Nice, exterior is DUD!!!
nothing close 2 X5
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EL34
- 4/10/2007 8:45:21 PM
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Big Box on 4 wheels.
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305vice
- 4/10/2007 8:58:41 PM
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Whoever mention that the new LX 570 is cross between the LS and Land Cruiser is absolutely right.
Looking at pics from conceptcarz.com, I realized that this is going to one good looking car. The Lexus LS is a head turner, so I won't be surprised this car sell. I doubt that this car will be the most sought after SUV, but I wouldn't be surprised if the new LX still away buyers of Lincoln and Infiniti SUVs.
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atomicbri
- 4/10/2007 9:07:50 PM
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Definate Dud
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enthusiastx11
- 4/10/2007 10:31:37 PM
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dud for lexus. nice highlander though.
haven't we already talked about this car ad nauseum?
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lexusis350
- 4/11/2007 12:19:41 AM
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Definite stud. I've been waiting for a full-sized SUV to get SmartKey practically forever.
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t_bone
- 4/11/2007 1:33:26 AM
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"Hot SUV" now that's an oxymoron. The people that drive them, 3 letters less...they are morons.
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nembogt
- 4/11/2007 1:35:19 AM
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why didnt i see that at the car show?
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MunichRob
- 4/11/2007 2:05:28 AM
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DUD! The outside of this vehicle looks anything but expensive. No immagination in the design on this one, interior is one of Lexus's best while the exterior is one of Lexus's worse.
Lexus fans don't lie to yourself on this one...The Mercedes GL looks worlds better than this.
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Matthew1
- 4/11/2007 2:20:56 AM
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Get a room. You are so incedibly biased towards Lexus that you manage to call anything that isn't Lexus a 'POS'.
Real intelligent, buddy.
FYI: The Touareg, Q7, GL, Cayenne are ALL 'real' SUV's, and were designed from the gound up as SUV's.
"it's not that easy to make a REAL full size offroading SUV look sleek and elegant"
And didn't Lexus's (Or should that be Toyota's?) designers know it.
S4cabriofoxone
- 4/11/2007 11:23:18 AM
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zaza, YOU ARE BIASED. If it has an "L" badge, you love it.
I loved the last LX, but I don't like this new one. THAT's being "balanced."
You just sound so unendingly ridiculous in these blogs. Excusing yourself because you think all of your opinions are right, and all.
What if I think the Merc GL looks better than this, and this new LX is a step backwards in terms of design? Because I do, and there's nothing you can do to sway my opinion.
Matthew1
- 4/11/2007 2:16:06 AM
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http://autoreview.belproject.com/media/1/20060315-mercedes-gl-class-suv-back.jpg
GL's rear end it streets ahead of the Lincoln knock-off found on the LX370.
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Willis
- 4/11/2007 12:18:46 PM
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Zaza, shut up already.
theman
- 4/11/2007 5:21:01 AM
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DUD...but nevertheless an improvement over the current model..cant wait to see the Land Cruiser..
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MunichRob
- 4/11/2007 6:53:04 AM
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"zaza" What's so sleek about this truck? Sleek is the last word I'd use to describe it!
The window profile and the whole stance of the truck remind me of a Nissan X-trail with a little bit of Infinti Q45 thrown in there. See for yourself & tell me what you think.
http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11556547/Nissan_X_Trail_2_5_AWD.jpg
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Kostin
- 4/11/2007 7:11:41 AM
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100% DUD.I'll never understand how some people consider Lexus a competitor in the premium segment.
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JUGNU
- 4/11/2007 8:21:56 AM
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And what GL(A big ML) is better looking than the LX570.
U r really have a bad taste
JUGNU
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S4cabriofoxone
- 4/11/2007 11:24:29 AM
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Have you ever seen a Mercedes GL450 with Appearance Package?
This car is gaudy in comparison.
Agent63
- 4/13/2007 6:47:26 AM
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A big ML? whatever you want to call it. At least it isn't a re badged Toyota Landcruiser (as good as it is) :P.
EL34
- 4/11/2007 11:46:32 AM
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Big Box with a push button.
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Willis
- 4/11/2007 12:27:14 PM
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I can't believe the Lexus fanboys are getting so defensive about this hideous design. It's ugly, live with it.
The Mercedes GL, Audi Q7 and even the Escalade all look a million times more balanced and elegant and dynamic than this Lexus. The design of the LX to me appears dated already.
Lexus designed a beauty with the LS, but they designed an ugly duckling with this thing.
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Willis
- 4/11/2007 5:00:47 PM
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Did Zaza say something remotely intelligent? I didn't bother reading his BIASED response.
S4cabriofoxone
- 4/11/2007 11:29:23 PM
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What is disproportionate about the Escalade's design? It's a very classic-looking truck. The LED taillights add to it, they don't detract.
The Q7... it looks HORRIBLE in pictures. But on the road, especially with the 19" rims, all thoughts of seeing it online wash away and it looks sexy for a big SUV. The design, with all its dynamicism, is very innovative.
The LX. The new LX. It looks like Lexus took a big, square chunk of clay, stuck a front end on, and shaped the wheel arches with their fingers. The wheel wells are ill-fitting, the rear lights are smaller and uglier than the 470's, the front looks like a mutated LS460 (and not in a good way), and they could've at least picked better wheels. The brass who chose the LS460 and LX570's rims were obviously not those who chose the IS350's.
jt716
- 4/11/2007 2:02:12 PM
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Lincoln Navigator's rear looks best on itself!! And i happen to like the navigator a bit. But honestly navigator is better lookingg. Navigator need warmin up to
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Denali
- 4/11/2007 2:25:09 PM
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int: STUD
ext: DUD
overall its my 3rd choice over LC and the REAL Fullsize Luxury SUV: likes Box out G-wagon{4th) Bling out Caddy(2nd) and Range Rover{1st)
the GL or Q7 should not be mention in this league SMH
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Jay7
- 4/11/2007 2:27:37 PM
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Tough call...Its not a dud but not quite a stud either. I expected a much better exterior design, however I do like the interior and the overall size of the vehicle.
I expect that the 570 will look much better in black, maroon or navy blue.
The Highlander is sweet. Toyota impressed me with that design. I guess that's why I expected more from the 570.
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izfuney
- 4/11/2007 3:00:38 PM
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Now Now! Behave ! no need to get your knickers rolled up right under your eyeballs. I was simply stating an opinion like all of your have the penchant to do (lol).
Its dosent quite matter if you are a mercedes fan or Red Sox fan or frankly a little gnome sitting out in your mother backyard (well in that case it does matter), your opinion of the vehicle above will be posted.
Consider this a fair warning.
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SupraNeverBack
- 4/11/2007 4:03:07 PM
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Comparing GL to LX570 is just like comparing ES350 to S550.
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Willis
- 4/11/2007 4:55:16 PM
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You deserve an award for that statement.
How does a "Dumbest Statement of the Day" award sound to you?
topneuro
- 4/11/2007 4:43:53 PM
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ULTRADUD
This “thing” is horrible.
Given the choice would buy a 2007 LX470 over a 2008 LX570.
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S4cabriofoxone
- 4/11/2007 11:34:27 PM
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zaza, your bias is keeping you from seeing clearly. Instead of submitting to your emotions and admitting the car is ugly, you excuse everything that's wrong with this design as, "it doesn't have to be beautiful." If I was plunking down $75 fu¢king grand for a truck, I would want it to look GOOD. And that's where the Range Rover comes in and makes this look like a turd. The Range Rover is five model years old.
The LX470 does offer something this car doesn't: elegance. The interior is also more focused and less busy. No, I haven't seen the 570 in person, but you get a pretty clear idea of what it will look like from these pictures. Lexii don't usually look different on the road from pictures. I doubt the LX570 will be an exception.
Type707
- 4/11/2007 7:39:57 PM
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Lexus wasn't to famous with its SUV line-up. My advise to Lexus...stick with the coupes and sedans. It seems that there's no difference in design. Wndows are still the same, back-lights are way too big and of course the body design seemed more of a bulkier body kit.
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