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New 1500HP supercar to dethrone Bugatti Veyron

rybo submitted on 04/23/2008 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 9:02 AM
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New 1500HP supercar to dethrone Bugatti Veyron

British sports car manufacturer Keating has taken the wraps off a pair of new supercars and is already boasting that one of the cars is capable of outpacing the Bugatti Veryon in the top speed arena.

The two new additions are the high-performance TKR racer and the more livable SKR tourer, and both were on display today at a launch event in Southport, UK.

Both cars are based around the same basic chassis, consisting of a steel spaceframe structure (or optional carbon-fiber) and a force-fed V8 powertrain. Read Article

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Heyhuub - 4/23/2008 9:37:47 AM

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Having more horsepower and being faster doesn't mean it can dethrone the Veyron.

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MaindrianPace - 4/23/2008 10:28:06 AM

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What is it that makes the "veyron" the ultimate supercar? It's big numbers, because other than that, it isn't the prettiest, and other than numbers and looks, what else is there? Handling? the Veyron isn't the ultiamte at that either.

AutoEng - 4/23/2008 1:29:49 PM

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What makes the Veyron the ultimate supercar is how well it makes it prodigious performance accessible to the common man without sacrificing other important things like luxury, build quality, usability, and attention to detail.

It's not difficult to generate 1500hp out of an engine. Every day, men in sheds coax that and more out of cheap V8's for their amateur drag racecars. What is difficult is designing an engine, transmission, and AWD drivetrain combo that can cope with 1000+hp and 920+ ft/lbs of torque. Not for 8 sec of 1/4 mile, or even for a couple hours of racing, but instead one that must put up with the rigors of street driving, and the occasional full power launch/pull for 20 or 30 years.

On top of this, the power must be accessible. Engineering a vehicle to the point where any person with a license can get behind the wheel and pull 407kph without breaking a sweat is nothing short of incredible. Bugatti is the one and only manufacturer to ever do something like this as proven dozens of times by various automotive journalists and writers.

All of the other so-called "competition" to dethrone the Veyron falls ridiculously, foolishly, short because they target only one specific strength of the Veyron, and claim to have "beat it". One could strap rockets onto a Chevette and it will "beat" a Veyron, but will it dethrone it as the greatest Supercar yet? No.

The reason is simple, other top tier cars offer Performance, or Usability, or Luxury to an extreme level. But up until the Veyron they have all been more or less mutually exclusive. You want the ultimate in Performance? (Enzo? CGT? you can't have luxury then) You want the ultimate in attention to detail and interior appointments? (Rolls? Bentley? Maybach?) You sacrifice performance.

Only the Veyron does all of these things well. It combines, the ultimate in Performance with the ultimate in luxury on a level that has never before been achieved by any other manufacturer. It will outrun any other production car, yet you don't need to be a professional race driver to experience the full force of its potential. On a track you can easily keep up pace with much more track focused vehicles (Z06,Porsche 996tt,etc) yet you don't have to sacrifice comfort or interior to do so.

The Veyron is the absolute pinnacle of modern automotive engineering. It represents the best of everything that we as engineers have, given the current state of technology. Competitors with more power, or higher top speed will come and go, but until another factory production vehicle with warranty comes along that can do everything the Veyron does, ALL at a higher level, there will be no de-throning of any kind.

utahnkid - 4/23/2008 1:38:46 PM

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Perfectly put AutoEng. Its NOT just the power. Its the presentation and "usability" of the power. The iPod isn't the most successful MP3 player on the planet because it holds the most, has the most capability, or has the fastest chips inside. it's the most successful MP3 player in the world because of how easy it is to use and how well the whole package is put together. I'll bet waaaaay more engineering went into the Bugatti than the Keating and I'm sure it shows when looking at EVERY aspect.. Not just the HP..

And I'm sorry but after sitting through a 2.5 second 0-60 in a Veyron, I'm pretty sure the last thing you're thinking about is the lack of power.

w209w114 - 4/23/2008 5:20:09 PMView My AgentSpace

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AutoEng,

"What makes the Veyron the ultimate supercar is how well it makes it prodigious performance ACCESSIBLE TO THE COMMON MAN."

Say what!!!??? Am I missing out on something here???

AutoEng - 4/24/2008 8:29:39 AM

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Ah my apologies, my wording was poor. What was meant by that statement was that the Veyron makes its performance accessible to the common driver.

In other words you don't need professional race driver skills to control it like you would with a lightweight 1000-1500hp RWD car.

IS3andME - 4/23/2008 10:02:55 AM

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Nor does looking like a bad imitation of the Mclaren F1...

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EnnNorak - 4/23/2008 10:25:03 AM

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I like a reasonable amount of power but this is getting ridiculous.

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bimmer - 4/23/2008 11:06:43 AMView My AgentSpace

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LOL !! +1

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CLK63BlackSeries - 4/23/2008 10:42:35 AMView My AgentSpace

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Looks like they took some pointers from the Saleen S7

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Obliv - 4/23/2008 12:01:01 PM

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Shelby Ultimate Aero beat out the Veyron in top speed about 4 months ago...

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Carboy - 4/23/2008 12:13:13 PMView My AgentSpace

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The Bugatti is the ultimate car because it can take you on long trips on hyperspeed. The other cars do none of those things. If you want to beat the Veyron, you have to do all the things that the Veyron does better.

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Hantra - 4/23/2008 12:40:44 PMView My AgentSpace

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AND you're not terrified out of your mind at hyperspeeds. Which is why it cost several BILLION dollars to develop. You just can't match it unless you have several billion dollars. IMO.

utahnkid - 4/23/2008 1:48:59 PM

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Can you imagine going 200+ in anything BUT a car with that much engineering? It really is insane that they managed to make these safe for the general public.. There's a video on YouTube with some guy showing how the car keeps you from doing anything really stupid by totally controlling the power input while your drive. If you're turning too sharp and losing grip it'll immediately cut power and if you're in the top speed mode and turn too much or put the brakes on it takes you right back to regular mode. Obviously you can deactivate a lot of that stuff but for the average millionaire you wouldn't ever want to..

autopro - 4/23/2008 5:13:41 PMView My AgentSpace

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No one on this site is capable of driving 200 mph.

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EnnNorak - 4/23/2008 5:49:33 PM

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I used to land small planes on little known abandoned runways with grass growing thru the tarmac. Every time I did that, my first thought was how much fun it would be to accelerate a supercar to 200 mph on the ground. All it takes is a fit vehicle with 200 mph tires.

autopro - 4/23/2008 5:14:45 PMView My AgentSpace

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O.K. maybe once,until they kill themselves.

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DasAuto - 4/23/2008 6:41:21 PM

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Well said AutoNG

Look at all the cars that go 400+ they are made to be as flat as possible except for the Veyron. This car weighs 2 tonnes which is alot more heavier then any of its competition but it handles the speed and handling so well. The only time i think we're gonna see something that can beat the Veyron overall is another Bugatti.

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Threepoint1415926 - 4/23/2008 8:13:39 PM

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I think the first maker which will produce actual competition to the Bugatti will be Pagani. Their engineering prowess and attention to detail are similarly impressive.

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TehShibbs - 4/23/2008 8:33:22 PM

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I agree completely with you, Pi.

IS3andME - 4/23/2008 11:57:23 PM

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I like the Mclaren F1 way better than the Bugatti. It allowed you and only you to control the car (it didn't even have ABS), and it did 241.1 with only 620 HP, not 1000 HP, but was due t o it weighing almost 2000 pounds less than the Bugatti. And the attention to detail and weight savings were far better than the Bugatti. Peich wanted the Bugatti production car to look like the show car, which had bad aero, and which is the reason why it cost so much to engineer the Bugatti. The Mclaren Group took a while to study aero and CD stats. They left no stone unturned, they got it right from the beginning, that is why it it will alway be better, oh, AND it seats 3...one man, two females!

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Threepoint1415926 - 4/24/2008 1:16:51 AM

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The F1 had its own set of flaws not the least of which was that it allowed Gordon Murphy to be a prick for the rest of his life and get away with it... To be honest, I dont think a car with no ABS, no power steering, no power brakes, hard to get into and frisky (if not deadly so) is any competition to the Bugatti. Someone above said the Bugatti is an out of this world performance package that an everyday man, that is to say an every day billionaire, can access easily. And even Gordon complimented on its execution thereof after all said and done.