New M3 Mdrive creates sharpest experience on road.

tom333 submitted on 04/05/2007 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 3:38 PM
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New M3 Mdrive creates sharpest experience on road.

The steering ratio of the new M3 is 12.5 compared to a 13.5 in the RS4 and a 14.1 in te old M3 competition pack.

With option Mdynamic drive you can adjust your steering response!!! ...along with the damping settings and throttle and engine mapping and clutch behavior and even the brake response. This is all via three modes: normal, comfort and sport.

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SHOWTIME - 4/5/2007 4:10:06 PMView My AgentSpace

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SWEET!

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Terminal10 - 4/5/2007 4:12:35 PM

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Very nice.

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d1sinfo - 4/5/2007 4:39:20 PM

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Seriously either your posts are an attempt to dumbfound the rest of us or you are just that clueless. I will not respond to your statements about what the M3 is, or about this MDynamic.

I will say that I am glad F1 'LIKE' technology is in the most recent BMW's. I consider myself the next generation of BMW/Audi/Merc/Jag/Porsche driver and it is refreshing to see they are capturing my interest with the intorduction of F1 'like' technology.

Don't get me wrong I will always be a fan of old, but it wouldn't be old if there wasn't something new, and I like whats new.

Josh

p.s. ricemaster your opinions are sometimes so trollish it makes me wonder.

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nvme - 4/5/2007 5:52:26 PM

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Ur logic being?

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d1sinfo - 4/5/2007 5:42:43 PM

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Your points:
1. BMW Enthusiasts already think BMW is the standard.
2. Why does BMW bother updating cars that area already considered perfect by the current BMW consumers.
3. Why offer adjustment in a luxury car? Is that not devaluing the car by saying 'we don't have it figured out so why don't you mess with it'
4. M3 not real sports car, you suggest others are and this is just for posers(or whoever).

Here we go:
1.BMW has been considered by motoring journalists over many years in many different categories to be the standard. It is this method of journalism combined with a hint of truth which in my opinion has created so many blind fans of BMW. That and there ability to consistently actually produce good product(you have to admit some success over the years) ... which is the hint of truth. I do not appluad journalism which creates distinct winners and losers just as I don't applaud the fanaticism we see on these forums today. I think that different cars suit different people, and that many things auto related are subjective, and therefor better journalism combined with NO ranking system leads to a better educated consumer.

2. So if everyone loves me why change. Well thats a very odd view. First thing I don't think any German company would allow themselves to quit, and second well there is no second because its a asinine statement.

3.I think I addressed this by explaining my interest in the techno gadgetry. I actually think it is doing them a dis-service in current M sales TODAY, but its winning over engineering buffs, product design peeps, and basically the youngn's who are going to be buying there cars tomorrow.

4. That is your opinion. I find it unfortunate that you have this opinion because I believe somewhere in your mind you have some paradigm that doesn't allow you to appreciate certain things for whatever reason. It paints your opinions as immature and lacking in logic and reason. I don't know if this is actually true of your opinion but it is my opinion based on observation.

I personally think that somewhere beneath your fanatical fanfare for everything Japanese is some relevant opinions, some wisdom and knowledge, but I am sorry I just cant see the tree's through the forest in most of your posts.

Josh

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nvme - 4/5/2007 6:35:23 PM

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The fact that there is absolutely no logical suit in your reasoning makes it hard to respond to you,
that said, just like d1 did, here is my take on each of your separate points:
- Many people buy BMW because of driving dynamics, anyone having driven a BMW knows they are among the best, which makes them a valid reason for someone to choose a BMW, not that there needs to be reasons, last time i checked we lived in a free world.
- Enthusiasts are by definition people who enjoy something, in this case driving, so you cannot say "think they're driving enthusiasts", AND very few people are unrealistic to the point of thinking BMW has no competition, but we all know BMW is among the best, and that they have dominated the mid segment since creating it ITSELF...
- The point in giving people the choice about how they want the steering is mainly about freedom of choice and practicality, besides the fact that it allows a car, hence its driver, to adapt to different driving situations they are faced with ( road / track ... )! your metaphore with the cooking is actually interesting, in that the more effort you put in something, the more rewarding it becomes, like a REAL sports car.
- Never ever was the NSX a better car than the M3, so if you consider it a real sports car you have to agree that an M3 is too... as for the F430, albeit in a whole other league, it technologically speaking has nothing to bragg about to BMW, and the el manettino system on the F430 is in its finality similar to MDynamics.
- i have to disagree with you about positionning the M3... it is both a very real sports car and can be a perfect daily commute, which is where its ingenuity resides, and i think i have every publication about M3 to back this up.
now one last thing, i still have to grasp why you're complaining, i mean you say you don't like the M3 because it's only good for ricin, yet you nickname is
RICEmaster.....

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TheSailor - 4/6/2007 7:40:59 AMView My AgentSpace

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LOL... So you are at it again... Trying to bash BMW again I see... Ricemaster...

You don't get the idea that SOME buyers buy the M3 just for the prestige and to show off, but the majority of M3-buyers get them because of their superior driving dynamics and their dual nature! The car can be a (relatively) comfortable cruiser while still being able to rearrange all of your organs in the weekend when you take it to a track day. What BMW have done here is to further increase your possibility of adjusting the car to what you want it to do right now! You can set one program to be pure performance and one to be cruise. Now that is clever! Also, like any other "enthusiast", M-owners (especially) like the fact that they themselves can costumise their car to exactly their preferences. That is something no other car in this segment allows you to do!
Actually, I think that BMW have concluded that this is a better way to beat the awe inspiring RS4 instead of going all out crazy on the performance, ending up with a car almost as expensive as an M5!

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theman - 4/5/2007 5:00:38 PM

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Guys should I buy the M3 or the M5, I am really confused ??

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S4cabriofoxone - 4/6/2007 12:18:17 AMView My AgentSpace

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One has two doors, one has four. One got its ass handed to it by the RS4, and the other will probably beat the RS4. Your call.

d1sinfo - 4/6/2007 1:46:26 AM

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Wait I thought we were all on the same page as far as the needs boat goes. Your needs are filled by one car and others needs are filled by another car.
Lets drop the one thing fits all auto magazine, jeremy clarkson without hampster contrasting view.

Make sense. Ya I know it doesn't lol but its late.

Josh

M53R - 4/6/2007 9:57:25 AMView My AgentSpace

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theman

Being an M5 owner, I can tell you its a brilliant car. The handling and response is awesome , just like the acceleration and speed. The only problem is, it can get uncomfortable in lon driving ours, and in traffic. Also, you will need to get used to the idrive and everything. The engine is a marvel in itself. Its an excellent car.

The M3 is still new so I cant really judge it now, but from what I expect, it will be unbeatable.

It all depends on your needs, if you want a 2 extra doors luxury sports car, its the M5, and if you want a 2 doors sports luxury coupe, go for the M3. Also, the M3 is cheaper, and I guess it will handle better than the M3, and with this new option, it will be more livable on daily driving. Personally I may trade my M5 for the new M3, but I need the 2 extra doors.

In the end, 2 great cars, but it depends on your needs.

theman - 4/6/2007 3:56:48 PM

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I am sure that the M3 is better all round performance than the M5, and it sure as hell looks better..But the sweet sound of the V10 and the fact that its still a big sedan is amazing...I would choose the CLS 63 over both, but thats a little too much (price wise) for me..The other day I saw a Hartge M5, and it was absolutely stunning..

jmrA480 - 4/5/2007 7:03:48 PM

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when the hell did 25 become old? Believe me I'd rather have a 20 year old girl,( I am only 26) but 25 is not old. And if you need your car to get you chicks, your doing it all wrong

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TheSailor - 4/6/2007 7:46:29 AMView My AgentSpace

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GROW UP! GROW UP! GROW UP! Have you even ever gotten laid?! Have you even been as much as close to any teets since you got breast fed by your momma?! Your comments are stupid, childish and have nothing to do with reality! I think that about three of the buyers of E92 M3s have "pickin' up booty" on their mind when they hand over the cheque to the dealership! Sure it might be a good car to impress ladies - if you are 12... But in a grown up world, which you will probably enter in 8-10 years, that just not the way things go... Unless you are in a porn movie ofcause!

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theman - 4/5/2007 6:49:52 PM

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I dont know. V10 507 hp seem like something hard to say no to, plus its a spacious 4 door, and quiet decent looking..The M3 is amazing, but the 3 series has always been a girly car for me..

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TauronB2G - 4/5/2007 5:30:57 PM

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Do you have to select it via iDrive?
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chewy - 4/5/2007 6:09:17 PMView My AgentSpace

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I hope no one cuts themselves with this sharp driving experience.

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d1sinfo - 4/5/2007 6:33:57 PM

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lolz

M3 "Cuts like a Knife" ohh wait thats Bryan Adams :)

IS3andME - 4/5/2007 6:34:43 PM

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^Ricemaster, "Older Chicks (25 up)", what are you 17? 25 is not even old, A person is not even in the "Grown Folks" club yet.

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528i - 4/5/2007 9:36:05 PMView My AgentSpace

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I just don't like the look of the new M3, the last two ganrtion were sexy looking, but not this one.

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S4cabriofoxone - 4/6/2007 12:20:15 AMView My AgentSpace

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Wrong!

onetimer - 4/5/2007 10:15:21 PM

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BMW has added too much "tech" in the past, this sounds like it will be easier to administer.
Oh and don't waste time posting to $hit-stirrers.

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Agent63 - 4/6/2007 12:51:20 AMView My AgentSpace

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LOL M3 does not exist? were you born yesterday?

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tom333 - 4/5/2007 11:57:59 PM

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HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHA

whew

hahaha.

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rg12345 - 4/6/2007 8:54:42 AM

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"Riiiiiiight !"

Agent63 - 4/6/2007 12:57:32 AMView My AgentSpace

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Ricemaster,

You set yourself up for attacks from those comments. I don't know what majority you're making your calls from but the majority of M3 owners do not rice out their cars. First off it's not even Japanese so how can they 'rice' it out? Secondly, it's German aftermarket parts they turn to not SPOON, HKS, and etc. Hamann, MVR, Dinan, Alpina, and so forth are the lists of tuner brands they go to and they look nothing like the 'ricer' brands. Last but not least, your comment in regards to 'chicks' shows how old you are.

A playa never states his game plan and what would get chicks. The only kind of playa that is is a poser.

And I don't think M3 is a poser sports car. As for the CSL it's gutted down to no luxury features.

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Agent63 - 4/6/2007 5:43:17 PMView My AgentSpace

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I've learned nothing. You have got to realize it's the person that makes a car not the other way around. A person can get a girl not a car. You're still stuck in your teen years aren't you? Or by the way you type you are still underaged.

Another thing, how can I be racist when I'm Asian myself? : ) don't be too quick to assume. It's just the way you think. In today's society it's not about who "soops" what car up.

I hope you're rice machine isn't your hobby and your daily driver as well.

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S4cabriofoxone - 4/7/2007 1:34:12 PMView My AgentSpace

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"M3s true value is it's a poser car to get booties."

Oh, what a retard.

Sure, there are plenty of @ssholes out there who drive M3s and are complete posers. They go 60mph on the 55mph highway while everyone else goes 80... and I'm going 100.

But then there are the purists. The M3 was not created to be a poser car; the owners I mentioned above have given it this image. The purists, on the other hand, buy the M3 for driving. It just so happens that the car is also very prestigious. I feel that I am one of those people, or will be, if I buy an M3.

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TheSailor - 4/8/2007 7:47:18 AMView My AgentSpace

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NOOOO... This is the most racist post on autospies ever! What do you have against asians?

BTW: If the car doesn't make the owner, why do you "pimp" your ride up? Isn't that because you crave the attention of others and get their approval because you are insecure? The fact is that "e-playa"s as yourself are most often kids with no confidence who seek the approval of others by playing it tuff and sound like a big guy...

I love the way you think that cars are the only way to get girls... Have you even ever gotten laid? Maybe we should call you ricevirgin from now on? Only silly kids with superficial needs think they can get laid because of their cars!
Anyway, yes, women are way more materialistic and have a higher craving for status symbols than men, but riced out cars are NOT status symbols! BMWs, Mercedes', Audis, Lexus' etc. are status symbols... A tricked out Civic is just silly... But hey! Don't blame the messenger... Blame the silly kid who didn't get the message until now!

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MunichRob - 4/6/2007 6:14:50 AMView My AgentSpace

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Alright "LexusLexusLexus" I know your exagerating a little bit but it's getting old, you're starting to look as bad as the Lexus trolls you're mocking.

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TheSailor - 4/6/2007 11:38:25 AMView My AgentSpace

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I'd rather be the benchmark than the standard! The standard is the least you will have to offer... The benchmark is the one to beat! And the present benchmark is the noseheavy, FWD biased, POS, rebadged VW, cheapskate lousy RS4 which happens to beat the living daylights out of the E46 M3... So even though I love BMWs, I have to disagree with you!

However, this car will probably be the benchmark once it is out... for a while!

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jmrA480 - 4/6/2007 5:43:17 PM

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why are you such a @sshole? Only an idiot would call the RS4 a POS rebadged VW. Which VW did they rebadge? So buy calling the RS4 a POS, then you are also calling the E46 M3 a POS, since the RS4 kills it. Come on, both the RS4 and New/OLD M3 are amazing cars, there is no need for that shit, leave that to RICEMASTER.

TheSailor - 4/6/2007 6:59:31 PMView My AgentSpace

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Was that comment directed to me? Because you obviously didn't catch the fat layer of sarcasm in my post! I was just telling him that the RS4, a car he has called all of the above, is far superior to the E46 M3 (thereby implying that if the RS4 is a POS, then the E46 is obviously something worse)!

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TheSailor - 4/6/2007 7:56:33 AMView My AgentSpace

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I think this is BMWs way of differentiating this car from the RS4... Instead of trying to outdo it in horsepower and 0-60, they have gone for user customization.

Trying to make it more powerful would have made it hugely more expensive putting it above the RS4 and too close to the M5. Instead they have concluded that the way to convince buyers is to make the car fully adjustable. This means that the car can easily be set up to scream around a track but still be able to settle down and become a truly comfortable cruiser for the drive home which was the problem with the E46! It handled extremely well, but the ride was a little uncomfortable for long hauls because the adjustability was pretty limited.

Though this might not be able to outdo the RS4 in the extremely crusial (to posers) 0-60, you can all be pretty sure that this will be the handling benchmark until the next gen RS4 hits the market.

One thing is certain though: Jeremy Clarkson will hate it...

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rg12345 - 4/6/2007 9:02:39 AM

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although the RS4 is (and will be) my favorite against the M3, you might be right about the handling. I have my doubts (its still a quattro against rear drive) and I bet in cold/wet weather the RS4 will win, on a clean track the new M3 will win. And that will be totally understandable if happens, cause the new M3 will be released more than 2 years later than the (almost old) RS4. I say old cause this year the new S4 will show up and soon after that the new RS4 should be up for sale pretty fast. So that will give the new M3 about one year to be happy, that's it. Just like the current RS4 is far better than current M3, I believe the same will stand for next gen of both cars. Of course, there is a price not many people wanna pay ($70k for an decent RS4) so if the M3 keeps their 55-60k limit will have very goooood sales. And why not, will be another iconic car.

TheSailor - 4/6/2007 11:16:13 AMView My AgentSpace

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I am pretty certain that you won't see the RS4 before 2011... The A4 will be out in the last half of 2007 with the S4 early 2008, the RS4 usually follows two-three years later. BMW call the M3 the 2007 M3, Not 2008 M3. Just look at the press release.

Furthermore, the reason why the RS4 was so much better was partially down to it's phenomenal engine which delivers a lot more power than that in the E46 M3. But the engine, drivetrain and suspension upgrade also made the car 10k more than the M3! That is already alot of money. If they want to make it even more powerful, they have to go back to turbocharging or making the car even more expensive, which could make it unsellable! I was told not long ago, that as long as these cars are to remain economically viable and still retain their famed dynamics, the limit have been reached! The problem is that if you want to go for more power, Forced induction, higher displacement or more cylinders will be the only way to go, but this introduces another set of problems:

Forced induction will either mean huge lack if you bolt it onto the current high rev engines... Along with a appaling durability or low revving engines with heavier components - making the car nose heavy. Also, forced induction requires more parts and these parts need to be more durable because of the higher loads on components making the engine much more expensive.

Higher displacenment will cause the engine to become heavier, making the car more nose heavy. It would give better torque, but at the expense of handling. Is it worth that?

More cylinders would also mean more weight at the front as well as increased cost.

Therefore I think that the new battleground will be handling. I think that with the next RS4 (or more likely the next RS5) alot of new technologies for it will be introduced, such as the magnetorheologic fluid suspension, R-tronic etc. in order for the Audi to beat the M3... Along with the likely development of a new engine, this also supports the theory that the next RS4/5 is at least 3 years into the future that kind of equipment takes time to perfect! And it has to be perfect in order to compete in this market!

BMW4me4ever - 4/6/2007 2:32:36 PMView My AgentSpace

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sailor and to everyone ... The release date of the M3 to the US will be April 2008 as a 2008. The actual car will debut at the Frankfurt Auto show in production version. The car should debut in Europe Sept or Oct of this year as a 2008. The M3 conv should be here in the US in the fall of 2008 as a 2009.

TheSailor - 4/6/2007 2:51:32 PMView My AgentSpace

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Well... Then it is a good thing for me that I live in Europe, isn't it?

M53R - 4/6/2007 9:48:28 AMView My AgentSpace

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Ok , you and the lexus fanboys go to the moon and brag, while we BMW fans will stay on earth........ AT LAST WE FOUND A SOLUTION :P

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TheSailor - 4/6/2007 10:53:37 AMView My AgentSpace

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Hahaha... M53R, don't take this guy serious! Heis obviously just making a mockery of some of the blind Lexus fanboys here...

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7msynthetic - 4/6/2007 12:09:38 PM

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Very nice!

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d1sinfo - 4/9/2007 5:41:18 PM

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I am not sure what there is to discuss. You feel it's a bad idea for BMW to add this feature and maybe a mess of other features to there cars. I would guess to say you may even bash them if and when they were to make a less feature rich version of the car and claim the r34 or whatever had those techno gadgets X years ago.

My point is simply this. They sell cars, there cars sell well, and maybe instead of acting like you know how they could sell better, step back and understand why they sell well today. I guarantee it has very little to do with boobs, status symbols, or 'rice' which btw I have no clue what you are talking about.

You might find a history(kind of short 60's) which is rooted in the sports sedan. They have had a clear image throughout there marketing which focused purely on the facts, and usually did not fill that marketing with hype and BS. It worked, created a loyal customer base, and like anything with a strong brand image it also has the occasional dbag looking to promote themselves with that image.

I drive cars, I love driving, and it happens to be that many BMW cars are aligned with my needs. Those needs have nothing to do with status.

As far as the adjustable rack. This is preferences, and needs. I might want a quicker setup at the track and a longer setup at the track, same goes for all the settings on the M5/M6.

Josh

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Agent63 - 4/6/2007 5:39:17 PMView My AgentSpace

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But they are good handling cars. No car enthusiast will buy a car if it didn't handle well. The selling point can not be a status thing.

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TheSailor - 4/6/2007 7:24:50 PMView My AgentSpace

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Okay pumpkin... I can see you have a little problems wrapping your head around those physics again... The new M3 engine is lighter because it is made of light weight alloys, the downside to this is that they are more expensive (just look up the price of the bigbrother S85 engine)! Had they taken the components and the same metal and thickness as in the I6 S54 block, it is a fact of life that the engine would be heavier! Instead they chose to use expensive materials to make a light block and internals! But don't be so affraid, the M3 will be more expensive than the old one... It is only natural. Anyway, I wasn't talking about the M3 but the RS4. And the problems I mentioned wasn't just things i've made up (unlike you). They were facts that my big brothers friend, who happens to be an engineer in Neckarsulm with the Audi DTM team, told me.
Anyway, getting back to physics, they didn't go for a 4.0 I6 because that would mean developing a completely new block! the S54 was already very thinwalled and had no possibility for stroke increase. It had been developed to it's full potential basically
BUT, this isn't the main reason! Why do you think that we don't see inline engines with more than 6 cylinders in cars? As you said yourself, a V configuration is way more compact. Another advantage of going more cylinders instead of more displacement per cylinder is that you get a more dynamic engine with faster response. by having 8 combustion chambers, the engine can run smoother and less power from each combustion is used to turn the engine to the next ignition (because there is a shorter time between cylinders hitting TDC before combustion stroke) and less power is used to compress the air in the chamber (since the chamber is smaller and there is less air in it). This means that you get an engine with more power output with the same consumpiton!
Finally, a V8 sounds better than a 6-cylinder!

As to the forced induction (do you even know what the term means), they did that to make an engine with a broad power band and good fuel economy and if you look at the price, that car actually IS the most expensive non m, non convertible 3-series ever... Isn't one of the key ingredients in a good bowl of rice forced induction? Then you should know how expensive good quality turbines are! And all the other components that goes with a quality turbo charging of an engine!

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TheSailor - 4/6/2007 7:29:59 PMView My AgentSpace

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Wait a minute... I see what is happening here... You are just pissed because I exposed you for the wannabee you are when you tried to argue that it was easier to make a high revving large displacement engine than a small one? So now you are grasping at straws to try to expose me as just as big an idiot? Hmm... Not gonna happen, because I actually know what I am talking about!

Anyway... If anybody is wondering how to shut this kid up, here is the receipe:

http://www.autospies.com/news/NEW-YORK-AUTO-SHOW-Can-Nissan-s-New-Technology-Put-Honda-s-VTEC-in-the-Back-Seat-13781/

Enjoy how he just suddenly stops responding because he realized that there was nothing to come after!

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TheSailor - 4/8/2007 7:54:55 AMView My AgentSpace

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LOL... I think you are getting a little in over your head here... You really think I just sit at a desk and make calculations? You know what? To be good at what you do, you have to educate your self... Something you obviously never did! I can do this theory thing all day, and then all night... And then some more, but you know what? afterwards i can go out into the real life and apply it! Anyway... Even if I only did know the theory and didn't know how to apply it to real life, that wouldn't make it any less correct! Anyway, the reason why you "don't want to" dig up threads where you make me look like a fool is because you know you can't! That is because you know that in every single thread where you tried, you ended up looking like a fool (and is doing it again in this one)!

Go away and don't come back until you know what you are talking about!

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d1sinfo - 4/9/2007 5:45:29 PM

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"For expensive Euro luxo pigs like Rs4 and M3. Handling isn't going to be the selling point. People will buy these cars no matter what. It's a status thing."

So your kind of talking yourself in a circle. Would the status be there if the performance at one point wasn't? You act as though at one point a car doesn't have to be good to be so credited. Fact remains dbags will buy all sorts of cars, and for whatever reason they choose. I can look beyond that, look at the car and see just how good it actually is(in my mind), and decide if I want to purchase it.

Get over it, the M3 has been consistently a performer, same goes for most German sports sedans.

Josh

p.s. BMW didn't go forced induction on the m3 because..... I will let you figure this out. It will be homework. I will grade your response :)

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huu76 - 4/6/2007 11:31:07 PM

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The old M3 was already perfect, then they decided they needed to ruin it inorder to have a consistent new lineup.

They took adjustable ride height/comfort and applied it to steering. It's different. However, doesn't matter which button you push, you're stilling going to wipeout doing that 100mph corner.

1 out of 100 buyers might notice the difference.

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