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New York to get congestion charge
Though a bargain by any Londoner’s standards, the new charge will hit New Yorkers entering Manhattan where it hurts in an effort to help cut back on downtown traffic and pollution.

However, the measure still has to face consideration by the New York state legislature, which has final say over the city’s ability to tax motorists.

Backed by New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg, the congestion charge passed a City Council vote 30-20. Read Article
New York to get congestion charge



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HantraHantra - 4/2/2008 9:56:01 AMView My AgentSpace
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The only way to effectively enforce this is to. . .cause MORE CONGESTION. There is simply no other way to do it short of attaching some type of transponder or EZPass to every single car that might EVER go into Manhattan.

Then what happens if there is one in violation? They stop it, and. . .voila. congestion.

Bloomberg should just call it what it is instead of trying to hide his true intent.

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kablaamkablaam - 4/2/2008 8:33:28 PM
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They will use Infared Cameras to catch the plate number and bill you. Their plan is to give you an opportunity to pay it, online, phone, kiosks throughout the city, etc. if not paid within a few days(I have read 3-5 days) they send you 1 warning letter(to the address registered to your car) then a $100.00 fine. Then it is no different then any other scofflaw in the city, registration/license suspension, impound etc.

One saving grace is, from what I hear, if you already pay the 8 dollars to enter lower manhattan(via lincoln/holland) you will be exempt from paying the congestion fee. If you enter through lincoln/battery tunnel you will owe the difference between the fee and the toll.


NYCpotholeNYCpothole - 4/2/2008 10:46:14 AM
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Shi* Damn Bit** A** Stupid Co*ksuc*er Motherfuc*erin Sonuvawho*e Crooked Thief Politicians!!!!

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no1listensanywayno1listensanyway - 4/2/2008 1:05:53 PMView My AgentSpace
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Im so with you on this. Its bullshit. I spent $900 on tolls last year, and $1200 on insurance. There is something very wrong with that. Congestion pricing is another trojan horse that these politcians have conjured up.

$5 each way for throgs-neck, Whitestone, midtown tunnel, Tri Borough
$12 for the Verranzano
$8 for the GWB, Lincoln/holland tunnel, Tapan Zee
$6 for the staten island crossings

With congestion pricing add another $8

To get from Long Island to NJ it would literally cost me $21 and were talking less then 35 miles. Then you have to pay a toll on the GSP or the turnpike! Then double that for the ride back....

I love Bloomberg, but him the MTA/Port Authority/NYC Dept of Finance are getting way to greedy. New Yorkers will not put up with this shit anymore.




KZ258KZ258 - 4/2/2008 2:10:06 PM
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i live in NJ btw and the goddamn tolls went up lol i take the backroads instead of I-95. saves me a good amount of cash both ways


CarboyCarboy - 4/2/2008 12:23:00 PMView My AgentSpace
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Oh no! Screw Ken Livingstone!

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SpectatorSpectator - 4/2/2008 12:37:27 PM
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In the history of man there has never been a charge applied to the people by their government that has reduced the amount of usuage of anything. Not even the Stamp Act.

These are just extra taxes hiding under the guise of "helping the public"

Similar to speeding tickets,
Red light cameras,
Gas taxes,
Bridge tolls,
Highway tolls,
etc...etc...etc...


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motomoto - 4/3/2008 7:02:20 PM
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Your statement is total BS and you know it. Adam Smith, the godfather of modern economics, himself noted how taxes manipulate demand.

Sorry, folks, but the London fees have made it possible to actually drive in London again.

You people actually think that sitting at traffic lights burning gasoline (yes, taxed gasoline) is cheaper? You're going to pay one way or the other. Congestion charges work by getting people who don't really need to drive out of the way of those of us who really do.


SpectatorSpectator - 4/7/2008 12:01:21 PM
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Moto... I think you have oversimplified view of the world and the free trade market. Whereas taxes are a necesity of every government, if not for the direct aspect of funding a standing military to defend that countries individuality...taxes as a means of production and usage control is a fallicy.

If a person needs somthing...no matter what cost is imposed on said item...the person will pay for the service. Example if a person needed a cancer drug and the government imposed an expensive tax on that drug, would the person just give up and die? No he would pay that tax and grumble that his goverment is screwing him on somthing that he has no control over.

We all NEED gasoline in our current infrastructure. It would be nice if we didn't but that is not the reality of the situation. We also NEED cars and trucks as current mass transit in many cities is outdated and overtaxed.

If we were to flood the current mass transit infrastructure with everyone who commutes into the cities to work from the suburbs (of which I am one...and do use mass transit) we would have an overloaded system that would cease to be a viable mode of transportation. I have seen this happen many times living in D.C. where on a regular day taking both the MARC and Metro rails is usually not a problem. However on days where the weather is inclement, there is a sporting event, there is a holiday, there is a festival, a station fire, etc... the stations are packed and you may miss quite a few trains (aka quite a few min) to reach your destination...and all of a sudden your 1 1/2 hr trip becomes a 3 hr trip which is just as long if not longer than a car commute and low and behold...just as packed. So your trading one bad commute for another...oh and BTW those busses and trains don't run on sunshine.

Now imagine if everyone who lived in the suburbs and commuted into the city to work (which is most people)used public transportation. The roads would be free and clear of cars...yet the line of busses that would need to be put in place would become an ocean of vehicles in the city while everyone stood inline on overcrowded platforms in the hope of catching some mode of transportation in or out or through the city. I'm using an all or none scenario...however even a slight increase in the amount of public transporatiation (which is already overburdened in alot of places) will make that system as undesireable as paying a tax for driving.

This tax just hurts those that don't have immediate access to public transportation. Will it change their commute. No. Is it designed so people have to pay more money into a city. Yes.

The City of New York has just decided to screw all those people in the suburbs who work in the city. A kind of 'your damned if you do, your damned if you don't' situation. If you do drive, you pay a congestion tax to the city...if you take public transportation, you pay the city. Either way...everytime you enter NY. (unless you drive a boat


Htay7500Htay7500 - 4/2/2008 4:17:05 PM
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I thought the tolls at the lincoln and holland tunnels were enough.

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SpectatorSpectator - 4/3/2008 1:02:15 PM
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politicians never have "enough" money to do their pet projects.

And guess where local states and cities find it easier to get money from...its citizens...or the Fed. I'm gonna say ... us citizens.


RupertRupert - 4/2/2008 7:12:02 PMView My AgentSpace
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Now you will know how I feel in London!

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SpectatorSpectator - 4/3/2008 1:20:08 PM
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Actually we should be blaming your people for this mess.

Damn brit's...always have to "lead the way" in developing new ways to tax people...don't ya' ;-)

I think Jeremy Clarkson (on the next installment of TopGear) should publicly apologize for this asinine London law being perpetrataed on the citizens of NYC.

Seriously though...who was it who created that law over there...did Brown do it while he was Chancellor?


RupertRupert - 4/3/2008 3:54:24 PMView My AgentSpace
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No, it was the London Mayor, Ken Livingstone. HE can do it because there are very few checks on his power - which is why so many things happened so fast. I think it has been a good thing, up until the Western Extension, which was stupid, as is the new emissions based charging, but really, no one 'needs' to drive into London - there are Tube lines, endless buses, you can walk, cycle, run, cartwheel...whatever.


SpectatorSpectator - 4/7/2008 10:24:41 AM
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Concur entirly. We have the same philosophy here in D.C. You can't physically drive here during the week...so don't. Take Metro.
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