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Nissan GT-R, 7:15 Nurburgring laptime?

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Nissan GT-R, 7:15 Nurburgring laptime?

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jmrA480 - 5/6/2007 12:35:51 AM

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thats the biggest bunch of bullsh%t i have ever seen. I have no doubt this car is gonna be awesome performance wise, but the best time a varrera GT got was 7:28, so I know the GT-R .did not get close to 7:15. the Veyron got 7:40. A 7:15 would be the 4th best time ever.

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SupraNeverBack - 5/6/2007 2:16:43 PM

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Veyron is a heavy pig, a heavy brick.

Lexus - 5/6/2007 2:03:43 AM

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jmrA480, you that back in the day the GT-R hold the record for the fastest time around the track right? than than the Porsche beat it, forgot which model thought. It was posted here last year on this website on a similar post.

And don't forget that the GT-R has 450hp and are very light compare to the Veyron. And why is it bull Sh%t? because it a Japanese super sportcar? If it was German car you would it the best and that stupid sh%t over and over again. Suck it up and stop your bitching and crying bro.

The final version has not come out yet, let just wait for the production and it stat, than comment on it.

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jmrA480 - 5/6/2007 12:37:28 PM

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i am not bitching, I have no doubt this car will be a great car, but there is no way it will have that time. Probaly more like 7:30-7:45 is more like it, which is still amazing.

And yes this car will out handle the veyron, if it didnt it would be a dissapointment.

chewy - 5/6/2007 2:06:45 AMView My AgentSpace

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YA RLY. Not.

So this is how much faster than the Carrera GT, and many others. Not gonna happen.

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LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/6/2007 2:48:53 AM

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And why not? GT-R was the first production car with the time of less than 8 min. on the 'Ring.

S4cabriofoxone - 5/6/2007 1:03:31 PMView My AgentSpace

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Why does it matter who was first? Now, "lowly" performance/luxury cars such as the Audi RS4 and BMW M3 are getting times under 8 min.

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/6/2007 11:06:54 PM

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It really matters who was the first because in 1995, to suggest that a production car could do sub 8 min. runs was unbeliavable.

About the RS4,M3 since I have stopped bringing Lexus up in every discussion, maybe you could do the same for your beloved Euro autos.

Lyall - 5/6/2007 2:07:46 AM

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hold hard there jmra480. THE GT_R IS AMONG THE WORLD'S TOPMOST EXAMPLES OF AUTO-ENGINEERING- AND HAS BEEN FOR 15 YEARS NOW- unlike the Veyron which has great straight line acceleration only.
A 7:15 time is not inconceivable. THe GTR has a near incomparable balance and chassis dynamics, and this includes competition like the 911 turbo. Also- the etire engineering team on the GTR project- is a diehard- super hard core fanatical team that has 20 years on expeirence in twin turbo in-line sixes.

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jmrA480 - 5/6/2007 12:40:40 PM

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You hold on there buddy, I never said anything bad about this car, I know of its history and have no doubt it will be a great car, but i am willing to bet that it will not come close to 7:15. I will say more like 7:30 to 7:45.

Your attacking me like i said it was a bad car, which I didn't, just dont think its gonna be faster around the ring then the carrera GT.

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/7/2007 12:14:35 AM

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utahkid: are you sure about this? It seems that you have not read the history of the GT-R.

Lyall - 5/6/2007 2:07:48 AM

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hold hard there jmra480. THE GT_R IS AMONG THE WORLD'S TOPMOST EXAMPLES OF AUTO-ENGINEERING- AND HAS BEEN FOR 15 YEARS NOW- unlike the Veyron which has great straight line acceleration only.
A 7:15 time is not inconceivable. THe GTR has a near incomparable balance and chassis dynamics, and this includes competition like the 911 turbo. Also- the etire engineering team on the GTR project- is a diehard- super hard core fanatical team that has 20 years on expeirence in twin turbo in-line sixes.

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Bmw8ter - 5/6/2007 9:26:02 AM

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If their team consists of nothing but In-line 6 TT Engineers, then they might be at a loss considering the engine is susposed to be a VQ V6 variation.

Lexus - 5/6/2007 2:38:59 AM

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I guess the German fanatic find it a little hard to swallow the fact. They don't won't to admit that a Japanese brand can rival the like of Porsche.



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LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/6/2007 2:46:54 AM

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Well buddy, if it were a Lexus there would have been a worse reaction from German fans.

Altough 7:15 does sound a bit too optimistic.....

All these Euro Heads need to realize that while Germans make 'sporty' cars, Americans and Japanese make 'sports cars'.
See the difference ?

Agent63 - 5/6/2007 5:35:21 AMView My AgentSpace

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How do Americans make sports cars? They make fast cars but not sports cars. Straight line that's not a problem with a big block and V8's. All around great handlers? I think not. An American would get slaughtered in windy roads.

As for Japanese they are known to know how to tune cars to handle the twists and that's awesome!. Japanese makes sports cars as well as Germans. Europe makes the world's best sports cars but Japanese have great knowledge as well and at a much cheaper price to own.

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/6/2007 7:28:47 AM

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You obviously remmember the America of '70s.

Still, the Corvette Z06 is faster around the'Riong than the Pagani Zonda. Its won its class in LeMans and GT racing too.

Saleen S7 has more race experience than any Euro Exotic.

The recent Pontiac GTO was also impressive.

Pontiac Solstice/Sky is also a delightful little car.

Any one remmember the Ford Probe ? And what about the Ford GT ?

Rupert - 5/6/2007 4:00:55 PMView My AgentSpace

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Pontiac GTO - A muscle car. And an Australian one at that.
Solstice/Sky - Opel speedster

Ford Probe?
You're kidding right?

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/6/2007 11:08:59 PM

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Opel speedster? The Kappa platform was designed by GM in detroit.

And yes the Probe was a good sports car. Nice handling.

dannyboy2 - 5/7/2007 10:39:53 AM

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Agent63, don't you remember the test where a Corvette Zo6 beat a 911 Turbo around a track.

Stop basing your judgements with stereotypes. Man if the GTR gets anywhere near those figures it will be the best bang for ur buck in history

Lyall - 5/6/2007 3:27:45 AM

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One more thing. Guess which car is THE MOST EAGERLY AWAITED motor phenomenon ever? 911 Turbo? BMW 3/5/7/8/9 series? Audio R10? Heck no! It's the GTR. it's one of the owrld's 4 or 5 modern day motoring gems- and yes- I include the 911 Turbo in this small select list. THe VEyron doesn't make this list for the simple reason that it is so expensive, so limited in its scope as to be irrelevant. Why don't you Euro-altar worshippers look beyond your blinkers? I'm tired of trash talkers bringing nothing positive to this blog. If you have to carp on the 2008 GTR just because it's scared Porsche ****less for being able to run the 'Ring in less time at one-HALF the price, and that too with BULLET PROOF engineering to boot, then you aren't worth the trouble it takes to post a reply like this to. I'm posting this for those who appreciate the pinnacle of anything- and right now- its a strong bet the Nissan GTR will represent exactly that- at half the Porsche's price.
Tell you what- you go buy a Boxster for the price of a GTR- I'm fine with that.

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LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/6/2007 7:32:37 AM

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The GT-R will be around $70k. Not cheap, but still great value for money.

JUGNU - 5/6/2007 5:44:30 AMView My AgentSpace

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These guys (Japaneese haters) first of all don't admit GT-R is a competitor to the Porsche.

When i said sometime ago that it will rival the Turbo they all started that it's a Nissan, it can't be compared to the Porsche and this and that.

And Bugatti, that's only good in straight line speed, in track it's not even half good versus it’s price.

BTW Nissan bring the King soon.

JUGNU

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LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/7/2007 12:10:01 AM

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Gordon Murray (chief engineer of McLaren F1) drove the Veyron around a track and said it was a good handling car. Almost effortless like AMG's sedans (E63, CLS63).

MunichRob - 5/6/2007 5:47:38 AMView My AgentSpace

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Well if any Japanese company could do it its Nissan, however I'm very skeptical here...& that's an understatement.

If this time of 7:15 min is true then the new Nissan GT-R will be the fastest production car around the ring today, & hold the 4th place lap time in the history of the track’s records for a production car.

I'm just having troubles swallowing something this fishy.

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LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/6/2007 7:30:39 AM

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I'm also a bit sceptical of the 7:15 time. I think it should be like 7:25, still great.

But then I'm not a Nissan engineer, am I ?

IS3andME - 5/6/2007 7:55:34 AM

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I think the 7:15 number was put out to scare up some controversy. The Porsche and GT-R have never really been competitors on the race track. That is truly where the rivalry should start and end. Remember back when Porsche had the all conquering GT-1 (in the mid to late 90's). What did Nissan do? They had TWR develop a Nissan that looked like the Jag XJR-15. If Nissan had such faith in it's GT_R, then it would have brought it to LeMans and other international races and put it in the Porsche's GT-1, and GT3 classes.

The only thing that the GTR has that Porsche has is a TT six cyl. and all wheel drive, and now people callit a direct competitor. Doesn't make sense.

That being said, I 'll take my GT-R in black please....


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Heyhuub - 5/6/2007 8:38:11 AM

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They probably meant 7:50, which is far more realicticly for a car of that power and weight.

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/6/2007 10:02:37 AM

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"That being said, I 'll take my GT-R in black please...."

Cool! I'll like a silver one please.

S4cabriofoxone - 5/6/2007 1:05:09 PMView My AgentSpace

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I don't know if I would take one or not... I have to see the new one. The concept was hot.

I do know I'd take a Cobalt Blue 911 Turbo, though.

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/7/2007 12:12:58 AM

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911 trubo seems to be a GT cum supercar, rather than the GT-R which is an all out sportscar.

TheSailor - 5/6/2007 8:45:55 AMView My AgentSpace

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I have a question for you people: How many have actually been on the nurburgring?! because you all sound like a bunch of ring-experts!

If this car will do a 7:15, it will be undriveable on normal roads! I'm not saying it isn't possible, it's definately possible, but the car would have to be set up like a race car and be as light as a feather! I would like to try it out on a track, but i wouldn't want to drive it to that track! To my knowledge, the only car which have achieved a time of less than 7:15 is the Radical SR... Which is a purposebuilt track day car and weighs about the same as a bag of sugar!

IMO, this is highly unlikely but not impossible!

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Bmw8ter - 5/6/2007 9:47:38 AM

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I'm pretty sure you'll still be able to drive it to the track; the Japanese aren't idiots. They believe that once you breach 400HP in a car, you start to lose some of the driveability and control over the car. Anything over 400HP, they recommend, should be a 4WD or an AWD.

How many factory production Japanese cars can you name that have "over" 400HP(unmodded), and a RWD setup?

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/6/2007 9:58:07 AM

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Ummm...actually, till date there has'nt been a Japanese sports car which is close to 400 bhp.

But I do get the hang of what you are trying to convey.

TheSailor - 5/6/2007 11:36:00 AMView My AgentSpace

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I'm not talking about AWD and AWS, but about the ridecomfort! Have you ever driven one of those british track day cars? They have just about the worst ride comfort ever. And those cars are extremely light. The GT-R won't be that light weight or have a power to weight ratio anywhere near those cars, so the suspension would have to be as hard as in a formula 1 car which would make it undriveable on normal road! If they want to make this car useable it won't be that fast... 7:40 might be within their scope... But not 7:15... AWD or not!

Auto_Fan - 5/6/2007 8:36:07 PM

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Actually, there is one Japanese car that produced a 400hp from a turbocharged 2.0L engine (Not an aftermarket tuning). It is the Mitsubishi Evo MR FQ400, which was a limited edition made for the U.K market. A major disadvantage of this car was the significant turbo lag, but if it was kept in the right power band, even a lambo Murcielago can't pull away from it. Check YouTube: keyword Lambo vs Evo

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/6/2007 11:24:54 PM

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I checked that one. It was built by Mitsubishi of UK. Not a global car, but still.

TheSailor - 5/7/2007 8:50:48 AMView My AgentSpace

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The FQ400 was a special model made by a UK division under Mitsubishi (thus making it a british car, not Japanese)... The LS600h will be the very first Japanese car to have in excess of 400 hp...

TheSailor - 5/7/2007 8:54:30 AMView My AgentSpace

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Actually... Tommy Kaira have made a sports car with 550 hp, the ZZII... But I'm not sure how many they sold of it... And I don't think it is a real production line model... But it is japanese and has in excess of 400 hp...

http://www.fast-autos.net/vehicles/Tommy_Kaira/2001/ZZII

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/7/2007 10:53:45 AM

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Tommy Kaira looks like a speciality car maker. Still, we should discount it from our current discussion.

Auto_Fan - 5/7/2007 4:04:58 PM

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Hi thesailor, u r right, EVO is made in Mitsubishi's UK devision. But, if this make it a British car, would u consider the BMW X5 and Z4 american cars?

kart1 - 5/6/2007 10:04:46 AM

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For all you people who are hating, you need to realize that Nissan made this car to directly compete with the 911 turbo, so don't be surprised (but maybe you're just got the wind knocked out of you).

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S4cabriofoxone - 5/6/2007 1:06:50 PMView My AgentSpace

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We're not haters, we're skeptics. This time is highly unrealistic. The 911 Turbo got what, 7:45? I don't know.

TheSailor - 5/6/2007 3:26:40 PMView My AgentSpace

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S4, ofcause we are haters... This is a Japanese car and we are sceptical about something which sounds very unlikely... Ergo, we are haters!

LOL... Not even the best of engineers can make a 1000++ kg car with 450 hp go around the ring in 7:15 and still retain any degree og everyday driveability...

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/7/2007 2:56:30 AM

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Nobody's hatin'(since this ain't a Lexus) but remmember that 911 turbo is like $123k while GT-R will be $70k.

S4cabriofoxone - 5/7/2007 11:34:18 PMView My AgentSpace

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And you know this, how? I'm sure you're a Nissan executive?

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/8/2007 1:37:41 AM

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C&D, R&T, Automobile have said for ling that it will be circa $70k.

lizthevw - 5/6/2007 10:13:42 AM

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This car was clocked doing identical lap times to a 911 Turbo around Laguna Seca, so how could it so much faster around the 'Ring? Don't get me wrong, I am a huge GTR fan, but while it will be a fantastic machine, 7:15 isn't credible. I would love to be proven wrong, but 7:15?

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LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/7/2007 2:51:53 AM

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Exactly my thoughts. Plus autoexpress is the MOST notorious mag in the world.
For the past 4 years, they have been predicting a new Supra.

Lavic - 5/7/2007 2:21:48 PM

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You should keep in mind that it is not because a car can lap a race track as fast as another car that it will be as fast on another track.

Different horsepower characteristics, suspension settings, weight, inertial moment, etc.

But if Nissan can produce something that will come close the fabled 911 turbo for 50 grand less, they have got my vote!

Heyhuub - 5/6/2007 10:58:23 AM

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7:15 would be the same time as the Donkervoort D8 RS. This car has only 350hp, but it also weighs only 600kg. So no, it isn't possible if it's gonna be a normal road car.

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amazinBimmer - 5/6/2007 11:32:58 AM

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hahahahaha. you sound like germanut... like the audi r10/8 with slicks... hahahaha

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S4cabriofoxone - 5/6/2007 1:08:11 PMView My AgentSpace

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Yeah- hahahhahah. What's that Audi R8 again? Oh, it's that POS FWD crap that has only 420hp. but how could it ever beat a high handling supersporty BMW uber 328i? it beat the porsche C4S, which is crap next to any BMW. hahahahahaha

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/6/2007 11:21:58 PM

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S4: I don't think that the R8 has FWD; AWD in fact. Plus, why compare it to the 328i ?

Rupert - 5/7/2007 7:17:51 AMView My AgentSpace

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S4 was using something called SARCASM to make fun of amazinbimmer.

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/7/2007 9:08:58 AM

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SARCASM? Wow! sounds nice.

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/7/2007 9:40:13 AM

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No matter how fast the GT-R is, it'll never match an IS-F on the 'Ring.

mini22 - 5/6/2007 12:30:51 PM

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I'm sure the GTR is an amazing performance car. However I think Nissan is blowing a bit of smoke here. Faster then a Carrera GT. I bet when this is challenged by the automotive press Nissan will revise it's time to 7 minutes 45 seconds(Still amazing time).

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Heyhuub - 5/6/2007 1:26:31 PM

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But it is impossible for a roadcar with 450hp.

indoctrin8ed - 5/6/2007 4:27:47 PM

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BMW M3 CSL did the ring in under 7:50 with only 350 hp SIX YEARS AGO.

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Rupert - 5/6/2007 5:14:39 PMView My AgentSpace

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completely stripped out with slick tyres.

jmrA480 - 5/7/2007 12:19:06 AM

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Yea but 7:15 is alot different then 7:50.

Lexus - 5/7/2007 3:01:15 AM

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jmrA480, remember the GT-R has 450hp compare to the BMW M3 CSL 350hp. It probably lighter than the M3 CSL too, so I figure it got to be faster than 7:50.

I think we should all wait for the production model to come out with test stat. Than we should all know for sure if it can hit the track in 7:15. Neverless, the GT-R has alway been a great sportcar. The Nissan GT-R is like the Porsche of Europe, but it the Japanese version.

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Rupert - 5/7/2007 7:20:05 AMView My AgentSpace

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Lighter than an M3 CSL?
Really? I was under the impression the GT-R was quite a heavy machine, what with AWD, A/C, Sat Nav and stuff like that. The CSL was a stripped out monster.
And one thing, wouldn't it have been easier to say "The GT-R is the Porsche of Japan."?

Heyhuub - 5/7/2007 12:51:03 PM

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Lighter then a M3 CSL, LOL.

The last Skyline GT-R weighed 1600kg. The R32 weighed almost 1500kg. No i doubt it will be lighter then that.

The M3 CSL weighs only 1300kg.

jmrA480 - 5/7/2007 12:58:25 PM

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lexus, yes it has 100HP more ,the weight we will have to see when it comes out, but 100Hp more will not knock of 35 sec. Thats all i was saying, 35 sec is a huge difference. Do I think it will do better then 7:50, Yes, but we will have to wait and see.

Homer008 - 5/7/2007 3:56:24 AM

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GTR sounds impressive in many ways..IMO so far..its kinda ugly..perhaps, I'll change my mind if, I saw an actual production car.

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sewingmachine - 5/7/2007 4:15:18 AM

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this car is gonna be absolutly sic.

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atomicbri - 5/7/2007 7:36:51 AMView My AgentSpace

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CORRECT TIME OR NOT.... The GT-R is sure to be a great sports car!

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alfistiDK - 5/7/2007 8:53:48 AM

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A GT-R lighter than a M3 CSL ? hahahaha where do you guys get info from ???

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M53R - 5/7/2007 10:09:14 AMView My AgentSpace

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Its the most idiotic rumor I have ever heard. Its just like saying my bicycle can do the ring' in 7:15. I know that the GTR is going to be a monster, but get real.

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golfer38 - 5/7/2007 11:43:10 AMView My AgentSpace

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This car is legendary in Japan, for good reason. However, for it to beat a 605 h.p., 3000 lbs, mid engine $440,000 Carrera GT around the ring by 13 seconds, it would have to be mighty special.

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mini22 - 5/7/2007 11:53:39 AM

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First of a few issues here. The GTR is 4WD with 450 HP.The Carrera GT is mid engine. 4WD adds weight to a vehicle so unless the chassis is aluninum or carbonfiber (in addition to the body)I would guess the GTR weighs a bit more then the GT.Obviously we need to wait and see. I vagly remember info that the GTR was lapping the ring in 8:15 not 7:15. I believe that it's time is more akin to a Carrera S not better then a GT.

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richardp996 - 5/7/2007 12:02:34 PM

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I think this laptime is from the start/finish line to the bridge-section than an actual full lap, which may explain the unbelievably quick laptime. If it were from start/finish line to the bridge, that is a whole 30 seconds worth of time that isn't being accounted for.

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BMW_DRVR - 5/7/2007 1:54:48 PM

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This is good to see lexus fans actually contributing to the discussion.

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hasterterber - 5/7/2007 3:52:57 PM

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you think automakers detect the ûber rivalry and/or trend of the JAPANFANS and the EuroFANS shown in every, EVERY, one of these forums?
btw... american cars suck. I only like jeeps...

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LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/8/2007 1:48:01 AM

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Automakers are smart enough to avoid these forums.
PS- only PR guys visit these forums....they're one of us ;)

LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/8/2007 1:48:04 AM

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Automakers are smart enough to avoid these forums.
PS- only PR guys visit these forums....they're one of us ;)

Lexus - 5/7/2007 6:15:20 PM

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rupert, I'm says, "probably", I did "NOT" say it was in fact lighter than the M3 CSL. I says, it "probably" kind of like "maybe" it lighter. I did "NOT" says it was fact, so please read it again. Like I says before, we have to wait for the actual production to come out with it test stat.

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S4cabriofoxone - 5/7/2007 11:32:50 PMView My AgentSpace

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LexusNumberOne4Ever, my reply button isn't working, but you said the 911 Turbo wasn't a supercar- and that the GT-R was a sports car.

That's pretty vague. The GT-R isn't a supercar, either. Your word choice there is confusing, because one isn't a supercar, but the other is a sports car- and you chose not to say "supercar" in describing the Nissan.

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LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/8/2007 1:44:35 AM

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I said it was a GT AND a supercar. I never mentioned it wasn't a supercar.
The truth is, there seems to be no explanatory definition of a supercar.

Matthew1 - 5/8/2007 4:24:49 AM

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All that typing for what, exactly?

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LexusNumberOne4ever - 5/8/2007 5:33:18 AM

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KaizerSore: One of the most nicely written posts I have ever read on Autospies.

Yes, one of the most important improvements cars have made from the '70s has been the tyre: the most important part of a performance car.

Are you an automotive engineer?

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Matthew1 - 5/9/2007 4:25:54 AM

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Yes but the hardware in the CLK Black series is a bit more expensive than that of the GT-R...

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993Turbo - 5/11/2007 6:04:16 AM

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Blah, blah, blah. They have been saying the same crap for 20 years and it took them that long to even get the car here and it's STILL not here yet. This thing probably couldn't take a 350Z.

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