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Nissan offers Porsche free driving tips

rybo submitted on 10/9/2008 Official Bell & Ross Timestamp: 9:09:10 AM

180 user comments | Category: Misc News | Source: | SOURCE: www.motorauthority.com

Earlier this month we reported on accusations hurled by Porsche towards Nissan, accusing the Japanese carmaker of falsifying the blistering Nurburgring lap time of 7m 29s recorded for the GT-R back in May.

The accusations managed to reach the upper echelons of Nissan management, prompting representatives at last week’s Paris Motor Show to state emphatically that the times recorded for the GT-R around the Nurburgring were achieved "on absolutely standard tires which are available to customers in the showroom," and that any sort of slick tires were never used.

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That's right. Not only do they need driving lessons, they also need engineering lessons. But I guess that's why they bought the GTR - "Reverse Engineering".

And to think that at one point in my life I believed in Porsche...then again that was my pre-military life; I was just a kid, who knew no better.
— GTR35 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 9:35:57 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 20

Get real. Nissan has to fly Tochio Suzuki to Germany and have him reproduce his lap times in the GT-R Porsche bought off the showroom floor.
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 9:54:26 AM | | Votes: -26

Oh, and take a look at some of Porsche's racing succes in the last ten years and compare it to Nissan's and tell me again how Porsche needs to "reverse engineer" Nissan technology. Btw, the GT-R's suspension system is from Bilstein.

Porsche at the 24 Hours of Le Mans since it took the overall win in 1998:

1999 - Porsche (Manthey Racing) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-R.

2000 - Porsche (Team Taisan Advan) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-R.

2001 - Porsche (Seikel Motorsport) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-RS.

2002 - Porsche (The Racer's Group) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-RS.

2003 - Porsche (Alex Job Racing - Petersen Motorsports) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-RS.

2004 - Porsche (White Lightning Racing) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-RS.

2005 - Porsche (Alex Job Racing - BAM! Motorsport) wins the (renamed) GT2 category with a 911 GT3-RSR.

2007 - Porsche (IMSA Performance Matmut) wins the GT2 category with a 911 GT3-RSR.

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Porsche’s American Le Mans Series class wins since 1998

2000 - Porsche 911 GT3-R wins GT class

2002 - Porsche 911 GT3-RS wins GT class

2003 - Porsche 911 GT3-RS wins GT class

2004 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR wins GT class

2005 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR wins (renamed) GT2 class

2006 - Porsche RS Spyder Evo wins LMP2 class

2007 - Porsche RS Spyder Evo wins LMP2 class

2008 - Porsche 997 GT3-RSR wins GT2 class
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 9:57:53 AM | | Votes: -25

that's right. who knew porsche's porsche was someday gonna be uotdated, oh wait, everebody knew. looks like porsche needs to go back to the drawing board and finally redisign that sixties looking thing.
— S30GTR (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:06:19 AM | | Votes: 12

Why don't you go ahead and list Nissan's international race wins over the last ten years so we can compare it to those of Porsche's "sixties" 911 GT2.
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:16:24 AM | | Votes: -19

Why do you keep posting that list when it's totally irrelevant to the topic at hand?
— 222max (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:28:51 AM | | Votes: 21

TurboSpyder, Isn't it a shame that their racing success can't be reproduced in the real world?

12/07 (TopGear) GTR > 911

12/07 (Edmunds.com Comparison) GTR > 911

02/08 (Car Magazine UK) GTR > 911

02/08 (automobilemag) GTR > 911

09/08 (FifthGear) GTR > 911

10/08 (RoadandTrack) GTR > 911

And the list goes on and on and on....
— GTR35 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:36:25 AM | | Votes: 20

It's not irrelevant. Porsche has shown repeatedly in sanctioned racing events with stringent technical inspection requirements (honest competition) that they make cars that are faster than their competitors. Nissan, with its claims of 7:29 at the ring, didn't have to pass any technical inspections to show that their car is what they say it is. I.e., a stock GT-R that you can buy off the showroom floor.
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:41:26 AM | | Votes: -21

GTR35, who supplied them with the car? Did these magazines buy it off the showroom floor? In the sixties, Car and Driver compared a Pontiac GTO against a Ferrari GTO and said that the Pontiac outperformed the Ferrari - there was just one problem, the Pontiac was a highly modified ringer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4smXEFijfXc&feature=related
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:47:27 AM | | Votes: -13

GT-R > 911 turbo

its as simple as that or you're bias crap is really beginning to sicken your mind
— KZ258 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:45:36 AM | | Votes: 11

TurboSpyder , go ahead and compare racing successes between BMW and Nissan .
— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:58:10 AM | | Votes: 1

I'm both a Porsche and GT-R fan.

I agree that Porsche's racing history is irrelevant. We are not discussing heritage, we are discussing an alleged technical achievement by Nissan. Without a doubt Nissan's racing achievements are NOTHING compared to Porsche's and will likely NEVER match it (Porsche has an insurmountable lead).

Sure the GT-R is legendary, but only in Japan and other Asian events were they did not compete against Porsches, Ferraris and the like.

The GT-R's Nurburgring lap time, IMO, is still clouded by the fact that Nissan has not been able to provide consistent numbers of HP. Have they been clever enough to provide souped up GT-Rs for comparison purposes and bland GT-Rs for production? I have not been convinced of this fact.

Porsche needs to be very careful in pushing this issue because if a neutral party tests Porsche's best against the GT-R and the times are proven correct their reputation will be destroyed. If Porsche is proven right, you can expect the pricing of the GT-R to drop like a brick overnight.
— MeanVulcan (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:43:15 PM | | Votes: 9

TurboSpyderTurboSpyder - the past is the past, it's a new day bro.
— 1dott8 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:17:44 PM | | Votes: 10

"Why do you keep posting that list when it's totally irrelevant to the topic at hand?"

He keeps repeating the same sh*t because he's one SourKraut (pun intended)! Get over it, GT-R>>>>>>>>>>>911TT in almost every magazine tests.
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 9:40:38 PM | | Votes: 4

"GTR35, who supplied them with the car? Did these magazines buy it off the showroom floor?"

What about this video? Ben Linney (the owner) supplied the GT-R. Surely, Nissan of Japan had no idea that Ben was going to test his GT-R against a 911TT? Oops! Back to the drawing board to come up with a better conspiracy theory.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=F2IHcp10BRI
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 9:44:51 PM | | Votes: 1

"Why don't you go ahead and list Nissan's international race wins over the last ten years so we can compare it to those of Porsche's "sixties" 911 GT2."

http://www.datsunhistory.com
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 9:46:01 PM | | Votes: -1

Why nobody is complaining when the BMW does sports car becouse BMW almost hasn`t heritage in major international races but so many peoples are complaining when the Nissan does sports car when Nissan is in the same situation as BMW .

"Btw, the GT-R's suspension system is from Bilstein."

Dampers are from Bilstein , not suspension system .
— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 11:54:47 AM | | Votes: 2

"GT-R used in the official lap time was actually at a disadvantage due to up to 50kg of testing equipment. ... Nissan has also offered free driver training for Porsche if it wants to attempt a second lap."

Porsche just got owned :) hide little beetle hide...
— sector (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 9:55:32 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 10

Nissan is a bunch of poseurs. They're not? Then why don't they go racing like Porsche (see above)?

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:00:33 AM | | Votes: -20

Porsche needs the racing bit so that its owners who paid the hugely inflated prices don't feel owners remorse.

This why Nike can charge $200 for pair of $20 sneakers made in China as long as Michael Jordan endorses it.
— sector (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:19:34 AM | | Votes: 4

"This why Nike can charge $200 for pair of $20 sneakers made in China as long as Michael Jordan endorses it."

What a retarded analogy. Porsche didn't get its credibility by being endorsed by someone, they built their own credibility by winning many, many international races. Where are Nissan's recent major international race wins?
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:25:14 AM | | Votes: -20

TurboSpyder, did you just say 'Poseurs'? Sounding a little Frenchy there. Nothing wrong of course, just thought of pointing it out.

Now back to how Porsche is getting clowned be Nissan...
— GTR35 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:43:18 AM | | Votes: 15

Don't worry, it's a natural phase that you're going through. It's called D-E-N-I-A-L.
— bigmotov (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:02:42 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 18

People believing that Nissan got 7:29 around the ring in a stock GT-R when the GT-R's chief engineer says that the best it could possibly do is 7:44 are nit wits.

"But (chief engineer) Mizuno suggested the GT-R could get anywhere from 7:44 on up, with most laps coming in between 7:55 and 7:58."

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071017/FREE/71017001/1065
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:12:00 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -20

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=F2IHcp10BRI
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 9:48:30 PM | | Votes: -1

We all saw this coming! "...free driving tips." OUCH!!! LOL!!! I don't care who you are, that's damn funny and well deserved!

Seriously Porsche, everyone saw this coming! Why didn't you?!?! Now you done pissed off Godzilla! What did you think was going to happen? First, everyone had the same results in their tests EXCEPT YOU! Get your nose out of the clouds and just build something! Also, don't forget about the GTR's little brother...the 370Z.

"...free driving tips." LOL!!!
— bigmotov (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 9:59:34 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 17

Oh God, this is embarrasing! Nissan even offering free driving lessons for Porsche drivers. Not only is their car better but their driver as well. LOL
— SHOWTIME (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:23:44 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 18

Lol. All the teenage Asians boys are having an orgy based on their delusional beliefs. The GT-R that lapped the ring at 7:29 in spite of the fact that the GT-R's chief engineer said that the best it can do is 7:44, was modified - probably with a few extra pounds of boost. Anyway, enjoy your delusions - they won't hold up in the real world.
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:32:46 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -20

You're too funny dude; you talk about real world, yet the 911 keeps getting spanked by the GTR in the real world. And the only claims that you bring across are far from the real world. These are two real-world cars we're comparing.

GTR > 911, simply math. Or are you too retarded to understand basic algebra?
— GTR35 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:51:26 AM | | Votes: 11

"Or are you too retarded to understand basic algebra?"

I've written a math book. Thanks for asking.
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:56:08 AM | | Votes: -20

SO WHERE'S THE PROOF TO BACK YOU'RE SHINNAGANS TURBOSPYDER.
— S30GTR (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:14:30 AM | | Votes: 15

He doesn't need to have any, he's supports the c(k)lan and that's all that matters to him.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:26:47 AM | | Votes: 10

ok, and the title of the book is...?
I myself (a mathematician) should know if your book is any good.

Now can we go back to how Porsche keeps getting spanked by the GTR.
— GTR35 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:27:30 AM | | Votes: 10

"GTR > 911"

GTR35 -

thats my slogan btw. i've been doing it for a while now
— KZ258 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:47:39 AM | | Votes: 5

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=F2IHcp10BRI

Listen to the GT-R driver, he said that he could have driven the GT-R faster! Booyah! Who's your daddy, Porsche? Say it! Say it! Say "GT-R is my daddy!!!" LOL
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 9:51:55 PM | | Votes: 0

Does it really matter to the people actually buying these cars? It all comes down to the drivers anyway. If a driver that is not sure of himself or the track and car gets into the fastest car out there, he will be beat by a better driver in a slower car...
I see it all the time.
— AMiodynski (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:47:21 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 13

The Nissan GT-R is the most unattractive car I have seen in many years.
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:47:43 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -22

Huh. Look at Porsche 911 tubo, targa, turbo-s, and for that matter, all of Porsche line. They all look attractive only in the 60's. Oh, have you seen the redesign 911. Any normal person would ask, "What changed?"

GT-R looks different because every parts of the car is functional. Nissan thinks outside of the box. Porsche is trying to preserves its iconic image. Grow up.
— charles_cc (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:28:54 PM | | Votes: 7

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071017/FREE/71017001/1065
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:50:35 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -17

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4smXEFijfXc&feature=related
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:51:57 AM | | Votes: -15

Ha, ha...great video!
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:00:41 AM | | Votes: -18

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=F2IHcp10BRI
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 9:54:32 PM | | Votes: 1

What's all the fuss about? We already know that anything Nissan says has zero credibility in the car enthusiasts world.

This is the brand of cars for unemployed, vagabonds and thugs. Who actually listens to what an insignificant brand like Nissan and the mediocre engineers that work there have to say.

For years Nissan built only under-engineered econo trash and guess what...that's what they continue to build today.
It is no surprise that the scum of the earth that could never afford a real car sides with the maker of econoboxes because they need it in order to justify their miserable existence. All these people are masses of idiots indoctrinated by buffoons like Clarkson into believing automotive fairy-tales.
The same guy who raves about the EVO and GT-R but drives a Lamborghini.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:13:06 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -23

It's funny that Start thinks that he's annoying people when we're really just laughing at him.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:23:09 AM | | Votes: 14

The truth is not supposed to be either annoying or funny. Is just truth. We think you are delusional, LE43...
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:35:35 AM | | Votes: -18

Star:

Mcain (Porsche) vs. Obama (Nissan)

Winner: Obama! :)
— AmazonPrinceIS350 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:41:10 AM | | Votes: 13

Wow, you're more ignorant than I thought. Truth can be both funny and annoying and many other things. It doesn't have to bee just the truth. I guess you see everything in black and white. Too bad you can't see colors.

You're so sad, you can't even get my name right, this is like the 10th time, very revealing.

I would bet that more people here think that you're more delusional than me. Anyone agree?
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:41:50 AM | | Votes: 11

"I would bet that more people here think that you're more delusional than me. Anyone agree"

I guess it could be possible. Why is that so important to you? Insecurity?
Since most of the people here(including you) are absolutely clueless when it comes to cars...why should I care what they think anyway?

You are absolutely pathetic with these attempts of getting everybody worked up. Are you that lonely? Why are you keep looking for approval in every single post you make? Grow up, be a man. Stand for something once in your life, even if others might not agree with you. Oh, I forgot...you are just a little tool. Whatever the majority says will be okay with you. All you know is to nod your head in approval and eventually play the role of a lion while checking if somebody is there to back you up in case you get cornered by a REAL LION that makes you piss your pants.

this is how you sound...."guys, guys..."Star" is horrible ...isn't it? Are you with me? "crying"... I'm all alone and scared. Are you with me?
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:14:11 PM | | Votes: -19

MudRiverPrince, with that philosophy in mind we now know for sure Nissan is LYING about its achievement.
— MeanVulcan (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:54:43 PM | | Votes: -1

"MudRiverPrince"

LMAO...
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:02:02 PM | | Votes: -11

"why should I care what they think anyway?"

then why do you keep responding?
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:16:53 PM | | Votes: 10

STAR CHECK THE 10 BEST ENGINE LIST...NISSAN IS ON IT EVERY YEAR...IT MUST BE CRAP THEN HUH?
— BJS470 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:07:18 PM | | Votes: 11

Ward's ten best engines...I quote: "The Nissan VQ engine is the only engine to have been present on the list every year since the competition’s inception in 1995."

— BJS470 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:08:16 PM | | Votes: 9

typical Star with his delusions of grandeur: "we think you're a tool"...

uh, no one, and I mean NO ONE comes to your defense, you're one of the biggest jokes on here, actually making this site even worse along with amazin and your alter ego Quantum. Again, look at your deboosts to see how much your opinion even matters to REAL enthusiasts.

Same tired crap: "I'm wealthy, you're poor"..."I'm a senior member here with lots of clout and respect"..."Don't mess with me".

Classics signs of an internet poseur.
— StarSearch (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:15:36 PM | | Votes: 10

"uh, no one, and I mean NO ONE comes to your defense"

Do I look like I need defense? Against who? A few cockroaches? Ha, ha, ha...I'm never in a position to need someone else to defend me. Can't you not see that I'm making all of you Japanese cheerleaders look like fools? Defense....ha, ha, ha...
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:31:50 PM | | Votes: -14

...and yet I now own a BMW(335CiC) and an Audi(S8), and before that a Benz(E class) and a BMW(330i), before that a Lexus (GS300) and a BMW(M3) .

You wear that Idiot Badge with honor.
— StarSearch (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:42:54 PM | | Votes: 10

You just can't let us down, can you, Star?

Who's listening? Apparently, the almighty Porsche heard loud and clear. I think their ears are still ringing.
— bigmotov (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:20:53 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 8

I love Porsche, but this is really sad. I wish they never publicly announced their results as it has done nothing but make them look childish. The higher path would have been to make sure that the next generation of products would be even better.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:22:10 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 11

What you don't understand is that their products are ALREADY much better than anything Nisan ever made or will ever make.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:37:40 AM | | Votes: -19

Your response makes it obvious that you need thioridazine.

Remember back in 1990 when the 300ZX outclassed the 968? Maybe you were still in diapers.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:48:31 AM | | Votes: 12

You mean the 300ZX that was discontinued for lack of sales? LOL...
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:04:39 PM | | Votes: -15

Yeah, and the 968 was discontinued as well for lack of sales long before the 300zx was. Doesn't matter the 300zx was still much better than the 968.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:19:25 PM | | Votes: 10

The 968 was just replaced by the Boxster. The Z was DISCONTINUED for almost 20 years with nothing to replace it. The 300 ZX failed THAT BAD.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:48:15 PM | | Votes: -4

It was replaced by the boxter, a completely different car. There's still no denying that the 300zx was better. FYI,

* 1990: The 1990 300-ZX Turbo is named Motor Trend's "Import Car of the Year". Motor Trend also names it, "One of the Top Ten Performance Cars". Automobile Magazine honours the 300-ZX/300ZX Turbo as its "Design of the Year", and names the 300ZX Turbo to its "All Stars" list. Road & Track names the 300ZX Turbo "One of the Ten Best Cars in the World". Car and Driver names the 300ZX Turbo "One of the Ten Best Cars".
* 1991: The 300ZX Turbo is named to Car and Driver 's "Ten Best" list, and is once again one of Automobile Magazine's "All-Stars".
* 1992: For the third straight year, Car and Driver names the 300ZX Turbo one of its "Ten Best", and Automobile Magazine names it to its "All-Stars" list.
* 1993: For the fourth straight year, the 300ZX Turbo is named a Car and Driver "Ten Best", and one of Automobile Magazine's "All-Stars".
* 1994: For the fifth straight year, the 300ZX Turbo is named to the "Ten Best" and "All Stars" lists by Car and Driver and Automobile Magazine, respectively.
* 1995: For the sixth straight year the 300ZX Turbo is named to the "Ten Best" by Car and Driver.
* 1996: For the seventh straight year the 300ZX Turbo is named to the "Ten Best" by Car and Driver, this is also the final year of production in the US.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 2:08:46 PM | | Votes: 7

Buddy, the 300 zx didn't sell. Period. It was an overpriced, POS Japanese econobox hyped up by the mags(think GT-R) that didn't pass the test of time. Same thing is going to happen with the GT-R. It will be discontinued because nobody will want one once the hype dies off. History repeats..
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 2:22:07 PM | | Votes: -18

It sold more than the 968, that's for sure. It doesn't really matter anyways, back to the original reason you posted, the 300zx outclassed the 968.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:16:57 PM | | Votes: 9

You are in denial. The 300zx FAILED miserably on all counts. It never even challenged Porsche.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:26:30 PM | | Votes: -15

http://www.geocities.com/ma71supraturbo/articles/mk4/9_93cdsupra.html

Porsche 968 #5
Nissan 300zx #2
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:30:25 PM | | Votes: 7

You still don't get it, do you? It doesn't matter what a few paid tools in some mags are saying. In the end the history shows who the winners are, and Nissan ain't no winner. The 300ZX is remembered as an overpriced, unreliable Japanese POS that had to be discontinued. That's all.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:36:13 PM | | Votes: -15

I honestly believe that you are one of the agents on this site acting as a troll so that you'll get more traffic into this site. That can be the only explanation for you existence. I refuse to believe that anyone with an ounce of intelligence would even be as ridiculous as you have shown yourself to be here on several occasions. If not an agent, then I still say that you are a very interesting case study.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:53:29 PM | | Votes: 10

I applaud star for making the face of porsche and their owners look bad. You're really good at it.
— Htay7500 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 4:31:47 PM | | Votes: 11

I applaud star for making the face of porsche and their owners look bad. You're really good at it.
— Htay7500 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 4:31:56 PM | | Votes: 9

STAR - the 300zx sold more in '91 that 968 sold in it's entire lifecycle!
As for the Z being out of production for 20 years, it was actually still produced in Japan until August 2000, making it out of production for only 2 years.... know your facts before making statements.
— Styles79 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 5:02:21 PM | | Votes: 10

"The 968 was just replaced by the Boxster. The Z was DISCONTINUED for almost 20 years with nothing to replace it. The 300 ZX failed THAT BAD."

Where did you get 20 years from? The last Z sold in the US was in 1996. The next Z debuted in 2002. That's a 6 six years absence not 20 years like you fantasized about. Gee, you're pretty sucky at trolling and you can now add cannot do simple math to your resume.
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:04:51 PM | | Votes: 5

Nissan has provided proof of the tires used.
Nissan has provided proof of the time by the video documentation.
All Porsche has provided is proof of how unprofessional they are.
Races are dependent of five variables; the track, the car, the driver, other drivers and other cars.
Nurburgring measures performance of the car and the driver againts the clock.
Nissan won and provided proof. Grow up.
Not you Star, you are hopeless.
— topneuro (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:34:27 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 11

Nissan didn't provide absolutely any proof. A real proof is taking a car from a showroom and repeat the best time they claimed to have achieved on the ring.
Of course that will never happen because the GT-R is a slow ass car compared with the 911 turbo. I can vouch for that and I definitely have more credibility than a joke of engineer working for Nissan.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:42:02 AM | | Votes: -15

No one has YET addressed the fact that (regardless of the Nurburgring controversy) the GT-R bests the Porsche in virtually ALL other track comparisons. What about those?
— 222max (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:05:41 PM | | Votes: 9

You have absolutely ZERO credibility. All you do is cruise around autospies and troll in every article that mentions a brand you don't care for. You are entirely predictable and have no credibility whatsoever! Get a clue you arrogant pr*ck!
— holmstar (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:15:56 PM | | Votes: 11

Is the same issue. Nissan provided the testers with a specially prepared GT-R instead of a stock car. The GT-R sold in showrooms is NOT the same as the cars they provided the testers with. NISSAN IS A FRAUD!
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:17:58 PM | | Votes: -13

And your proof is... where?
— 222max (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:58:55 PM | | Votes: 8

the proof is in his own little imaginary world where german cars are better than any other car ever built and he is smarter than all engineers
— BJS470 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:06:14 PM | | Votes: 8

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=F2IHcp10BRI

Listen to the GT-R driver, he said that he could have driven the GT-R faster! Booyah! Who's your daddy, Porsche? Say it! Say it! Say "GT-R is my daddy!!!" LOL
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:11:45 PM | | Votes: 5

amazing that Porsche people can't accept the fact that they were beat. This shines a black light on Porsche and Porsche fanboys.
— montyz81 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:58:57 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7

Quote - 'But I guess that's why they bought the GTR - "Reverse Engineering".'

So Nissan had a 911 Turbo in their possesion for how long?...They used which car as a benchmark?...just because Porsche has a GT-R in their possesion how does that constitute Reverse Engineering? I guess the same can be said for Nissan. But it's a bad thing if it's Porsche and a good thing if it is Nissan. Nissan picked a fight with Porsche and just because they won a round doesn't mean they won the entire match! Porsche has time to answer the GT-R, which I'm sure they will. But until Porsche goes out of business then there really isn't any clear winner now is there?
— Need4Speed (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:08:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3

You sir, are delusional. The GT-R has won almost every round in which it was pitted against the 911TT.
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:15:33 PM | | Votes: 4

Star-Other then your mouth you have no credibility.You're like the "Ann Coulter" of the car world. Your great at name calling but you have no subtance to back up anything you say. Porsche has and continues to be a great car company but it is clear that Nissan has caught up in driving dynamics. Further why is that virtually all publications have proven that the GTR beats almost all versions of the 911 on any race track(except perhaps a GT2 that costs over 200 grand).Porsches are still great cars but are simply over priced based on their history. But you have to give it to them. They have been able to get away with it for decades so they obviously know how to market their cars.
— mini22 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:11:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 11

"Further why is that virtually all publications have proven that the GTR beats almost all versions of the 911"

The car Nissan provided was not stock. THE GT-R IS A FRAUD.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:20:33 PM | | Votes: -13

This GT-R is stock and it beats the 911TT:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=F2IHcp10BRI

What excuse you've got now, big baby? Want a pacifier?
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:17:36 PM | | Votes: 4

I might add...

Porche 911 Turbo 0-60 is 3.4s w/o launch control.
Nissan GT-R 0-60 is 4.0s w/o launch control.
Nissan GT-R 0-60 is 3.3s w/ launch control.

So basically the most obvious improvement for the 911 is launch control seeing that the Nissan needs it to match 0-60

Second Porsche improvement is enhanced stability control and proper weight management. They probably can't do much with Cd numbers w/o drastically altering the look of the car. The 911 by virtue of its rear weight bias is the car's only disadvantage when it comes to handling...so do more to negate that weakness.

Third Porsche improvement...just make the car lighter!

That's it not much homework for Porsche to do considering the time and effort that was put into the GT-R in the first place.
— Need4Speed (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:19:06 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5

TurboSpyder - you are a crybaby and missed the whole point. Porsche has racing blood since its inception. Nissan was built for the mass, people like us. If you want good comparison between Nissan and German car, pick Volkswagen (auto for folks?). Porsche is pissed because with its racing blood, it is losing to Nissan in track and in technology (i.e. dual-clutch, turbo lag, etc.) If we pit Nissan GT-R all modified and put in touring events, we will know who is the winner.
— charles_cc (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:22:00 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4

The worse part is the even when Porsche apologizes / acknowledges results, Star will not shut up.

— topneuro (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:24:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 13

What you don't understand is that outside the performance figures the GT-R has nothing in common with a Porsche. Porsche doesn't offer you only specs like the GT-R, Porsche offers you the TOTAL package.

It is obvious that Nissan overrated(as usual)their performance figures but even if they were real, that doesn't make up for all the shortcomings related to the GT-R. This is not the first attempt by an econo brand to try to compare their cars with the real thing but eventually the hype died and cars like Honda/Acura NSX, Nissan 300 ZX, Toyota Supra are remembered only as failed attempts to challenged the European car engineering. The hype around the GT-R will eventually die off too because there is nothing substantial about this car. It looks cheap, it sounds cheap and is almost as boring to drive as a Camry when driven around town. Just remember that I was the one telling you that.

— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:40:56 PM | | Votes: -15

Don't you thing there is a ring to it? Camry beat Porsche..camrybeatporsche... Now everyone, sing out lout. camrybeatporsche...camrybeatporsche. Let's change lyric...nissanbeatporsche...nissanbeatporsche...
— charles_cc (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:57:31 PM | | Votes: -1

I can only imagine how low the IQ of somebody using that ring is but good luck to you in promoting it.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:12:14 PM | | Votes: -14

Right. The same goes for the someone who has low IQ enough to get all upset that his beloved Porsche was beaten by "cheap" Japanese car.
— charles_cc (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:24:12 PM | | Votes: 9

I always found these debates silly.

Most people here wouldn't be able to drive either one near this level anyway.

Both cars are awesome, but the GT-R DOES perform a bit better.

Deal with it.
— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:34:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 10

Enough is enough. Can't you all see it is just lie, just like Obama. There is no way that heavy pig can outpace the lean athlete (911 turbo) around the track, not even mentioning the track record of the 911.
Nissan can claim whatever they want with that overweight monster or godzilla or whatever you want to call it. Now people believe a company like Nissan over a company like Porsche?

I guess it is not a lie if you believe it, right?
— TURACO (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:38:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -16

If it beat just the 997 Porsche wouldn't be as scared but the GT-R took out the whole family, that the problem...

Top Gear track times by the stig:

1:19.7 – Nissan GT-R
1:19.8 – Porsche Carrera GT
1:22.3 – Porsche 911 GT3 RS
— sector (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:43:47 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 12

Right, same show that has Clarkson saying that an EVO beats a Lamborghini. Ha, ha, ha...I cannot believe that there are idiots actually believing that c**p. I bet some of you still believe that "reality shows" are... REAL. Poor saps...ha, ha, ha...
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 12:56:27 PM | | Votes: -17

Again Star all you engage in is name calling accusations. You state that Nissan's test was a fraud. However you have absolutely nothing to back that up. Do you get your Nicotine drugs directly from Porsche or do you have to actually order them.It is clear that you are totally addicted to this German firm.Its amazing that everyone in the universe is wrong except you on this subject.It must be frightening!
— mini22 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:06:27 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 14

Not as frightening as seeing poor people ready to accept whatever c**p they are fed with.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:18:19 PM | | Votes: -16

Until the day comes were an independent authority begins running these Nurburgring lap times it is ridiculous to believe private test results. Clearly.

No one here can prove the GT-R did not have a non-production setup. Nissan's "offering" of proof is a JOKE although it has made Porsche look stupid. This kind of proof, after-the-fact and without any independent authority that can verify it would NEVER stand in any court of law and will only convince fanboys that don't think with their heads.

I'm not close minded to think a GT-R could never beat a Porsche regardless of heritage, but there are too many questions unanswered to make any intelligent conclusions. The bottom line is, the comparo GT-Rs need to be validated against true production models by an INDEPENDENT authority that tests both 911s and GT-R with the best drivers available for each car.

I've always liked GT-Rs and if they turn out to be a better car, then so be it. Porsche DOES need to refresh their styling anyway, I've always had that criticism about them. With that said I do think the 911 styling is still much nicer than the GT-R.
— MeanVulcan (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:10:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3

heres the bottom line; they both perform well.... fantastic even. But at the end of the day, would you give up a slight performance advantage for a car that is less satisfying in every other way measurable?

Me neither. Porsche for the win.
— JCH335i (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:21:21 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5

Glad to see Nissan answered Porsche. Sad to see Porsche getting so upset that the GT-R beat them at their own game. They should really get over it. Pretty soon the 370Z will take them down too and I guess they will complain about that too. Good job Nissan, the GT-R and once the GT-R V-Spec come out will continue to reign supreme over the competition.
— PerformanceGuy (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:24:28 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 10

When has it ever been necessary that independent authorities need to test cars at the Nurburging?That would then mean that no time that "any car maker" was claiming was valid,including Porsche. Look I don't care which publication you read. All of them have stated that the Nissan GTR is at the top of the list in terms of driving dynamics. Are we to assume that Nissan provided all those publications with non production cars or tires. I would find that incredibly hard to believe.If in fact that was the case then you would have to make the same case against "all" car makers. Further if every car maker employs that same tactic then the playing field would once again be equal and the GTR would in fact be at the top again. Porsche started this challenge because Nissan is threatening their dominance and hence threatens their marketing of their cars. I don't think you will ever see car makers highering an independent firm to test their cars. Chevy is certainly not going to do it with the Corvette either.I'm sure that this aurgument between Porsche and Nissan will continue as the 370Z comes to market.However it prooves nothing.
— mini22 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:47:22 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7

"stated that the Nissan GTR is at the top of the list in terms of driving dynamics"

What part you do not understand? The GT-R that Nissan provided for testers was NOT STOCK. Nissan cheated and this is where the controversy begun. Nissan is accused not of lying about the numbers but in obtaining the numbers with modified cars.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 1:53:40 PM | | Votes: -14

Again. PROVE your claim. We're waiting.
— 222max (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 2:01:55 PM | | Votes: 7

This GT-R is stock and it beats the 911TT:

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=F2IHcp10BRI

What excuse you've got now, big baby? Want a pacifier?
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:33:54 PM | | Votes: 3

STAR:

Porsche is the best no one is saying anything different. Just like Prince William is from royalty and can never be compared to a ghetto hood rat like the Prince of Bel Air aka: Sir Will Smith.

Don't you see Will Smith can never be as good as Prince William but he has to exist for some reason unless you want to chain him up to the back of your truck. -YOUR FRIEND -MudRiverPrince

— AmazonPrinceIS350 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 2:00:04 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1

I don't have a problem with the GT-R. In fact, I am glad that Nissan built it for all the boy racers out there. Like I said before the GT-R is in the $70K range what EVO and STI use to be in $30K range.

Nissan gives you the fastest car you can buy for 70K and even if the shortcomings are obvious they can certainly be overlooked by a certain type of buyer.

The GT-R is no doubt a fast car for the money, but is in no way a Porsche competitor.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 2:11:33 PM | | Votes: -14

Nissan never claimed that it wants GT-R to be Porsche its direct competitor. Nissan used Porsche as the automaker to beat in terms of performance. If Nissan is to compete with Porsche directly, Nissan would have priced its GT-R at $130K range with all kinds of bells and whistle.
— charles_cc (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 2:25:54 PM | | Votes: 11

amazon- wtf r u even talking about?

u sound like a racist loser.

i think u r the 1 that should be dragged through the mud..then tar and feathered
— stash84 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 4:03:13 AM | | Votes: -1

Biased and racist.

I expect your time here at autospies to be brief.
— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 2:34:47 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 11

Wow you do BMW very proud, you guys are made for each other. It must really hurt your pride when having to play nice to an Asian customer and pretending you're not a racists bigot.

You rate no higher than a pimp in most people's eyes :)
— sector (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 2:55:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 8

This is funny, when blind Porsche fans are backed into a corner all they can say are racist comments, typical and sad.
We now know why people hate Japanese cars so much...RACISM!!!
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:23:04 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 10

This comment was made before AROD was removed, thank god he's gone. My feelings are that AROD was just another one of STAR's alternate log-ins.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:56:19 PM | | Votes: 5

What did Aturd, I mean Arod say?
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:36:33 PM | | Votes: 2

Let's just say that they were stereotypical racist comments, directed towards Asians, and there were several of them. We shouldn't be surprised, as I have long suspected the hatred towards Japanese cars is largely based on racism whether direct or indirect. Our perceptions are often based on even subtle forms of indirect racism.

It's a sad state of affairs and that really just mirrors some aspects of our society in general.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 9:32:19 AM | | Votes: 3

AROD55OI:

I know an Asian man that can hit your prostate and make your eyes squint. : )
— AmazonPrinceIS350 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 2:22:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6

AROD550I - unless you been to Thailand's gay houses, how do you know Asian men's d**ks are small? Did you ever read a study that says Asian men are as capable as caucasians? Take your tasteless humor and stuffed it.
— charles_cc (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 2:30:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4

Just a couple of things: I’ve said this before but I no longer consider Porsche to be a car manufacturer with “pure” aspirations. In fact, I wouldn’t doubt that Porsche has a GT-R in their Stuttgart chop-shop reverse engineering the thing as I write this. Make no mistake, with the acquisition of VW, Porsche will eventually become another car company. In some ways Porsche is already there with the Panamera and Cayenne. Merc went down this path back in the early nineties when they started building modular engines. Soon afterwards, Merc adopted this philosophy for manufacturing or their entire line up. Porsche has a celebrated past but let’s remember that it took a couple of ex-Toyota consultants to save Porsche from extinction back in the early 90’s. Porsche adopted Japanese “lean” practices that put them back in the black. When talking about Porsche, I wouldn’t make racial remarks about the Japanese when Japanese manufacturing practices are what saved Porsche.
— E36er (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:32:03 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6

Well said, E36er.
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:38:02 PM | | Votes: 4

This could definitely going to help people who are facing problems in handling the car. This could well be useful to them.
----------------
Simon

for information....

<a href="http://www.crystalrecovery.com">Crystal Meth</a>
— simon9985 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 2:42:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

LOL! Poor little AROD, having to resort to tasteless crap to defend himself. How childish...how sad.
— bigmotov (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 2:54:32 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6

And this is why I dont comment as much anymore...to many juvenile racist people on this damn site. And 001 and 009 do nothing about it...unless you say kruat lol. Totally biased and racist website.
— xlr8 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:03:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 9

Welcome to autospies...
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:17:32 PM | | Votes: 6

right...Im an asian american active duty military currently deployed for the 2nd year in the middle east. So I find your excuse totally insulting.
— xlr8 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:20:49 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7

I think you should go back to school and learn how to express yourself in writing. From what I could tell, you are writing like a second grade, which makes no sense whatsoever. The only things that comes clear out of your foul mouth are tasteless bigotry jokes.
— charles_cc (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:21:04 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5

Get a life dude. Better yet, do America and the rest of the world a favor by stepping in front of a fast moving bus.
— bigmotov (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:24:12 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5

Star-You cannot in any way proove what you just said. By whose authority do you claim that Nissan provided non production cars? So far you are just spouting off useless information because you can't proove it.Just because Porsche accuses Nissan of cheating does NOT make it true!If you can come up with real facts here fine.Otherwise your spouting Zuffenhousen propoganda!
— mini22 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:14:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6

scca/imsa 300zx champion steve millen...haha yea nissan has no racing history. stupid star lay off the pot!!
— xlr8 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:25:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6

"but as far as performance... your damn right it is a competitor"

Nobody claimed otherwise...
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:41:19 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -9

in no way am i a nissan fan or a nissan hater for that matter but the facts are the facts. until proven otherwise, nissan did it. sorry porsche, until you step it up, nissan did it.

german car lover
— 1dott8 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:33:19 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 9

wow they got rid of him fast...my faith in this site is restoring =)
— xlr8 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:45:32 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3

I sent a complaint to the webmaster. Hopefully they erase his profile and ban him eternally.
— charles_cc (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 3:47:34 PM | | Votes: 3

He was erased in the other articles as well. Thanks webmaster! I know it's impossible to actually get rid of him as he can just sign up again, but thanks for getting rid of that crap!
— bigmotov (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 4:07:35 PM | | Votes: 3

Can we have a BUTTON so I can deboost all Star's posts at ones?
Way too many idotic posts to do it one by one!
Obviously noting it/he/she says makes sense!
— SVXXX (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 4:07:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7

I'm loving it. :)
— dlin (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 4:23:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4

What are Porsche thinking ? If Porsche cares, challenge Datsun to a real race. Let's get it on. I am sure some sponsors will support a historic event.
— BMWsuk (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 5:04:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6

Porsche's GT-R had something over 3,000 miles on the odometer. Its tires were in tatters. The brakes were terminally toasted. None of the fluids had been changed. Mizuno inquired whether the transmission had been recalibrated following the recommended 1,200-mile break-in procedure as specified in the owner's manual. It had not. Mizuno provided new tires and new brakes, changed the fluids and recalibrated the transmission. And then he carefully explained the driving techniques that are required to help the GT-R do its best (as a former race engineer in charge of Nissan's effort at the 24 Hours of Le Mans, he knows his stuff) and sent them on their way.

It seems Porsche was no more successful afterward, and now the testing season at the Nordschleife has concluded as winter weather approaches. Our Nissan sources tell us that the whole episode is highly humorous, especially as Porsche declines to describe its own testing protocol for Nordschleife laps. When spring arrives, we'll see if there are any mysterious German students in Nissan's performance driving schools for GT-R owners.

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=133406
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 5:16:32 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5

The point is while Porsche is an excellent company and excellent engineering firm if they are going to make an accusation like this and consider it vitally important then they have to submit to an independent test for both cars. This has never been done before but perhaps then this has to become the norm so 1 company cannot make unsubtantiated claims over another. The problem is that any company making claims about setting records at the ring will then have to pay for this independent test to validate what they say. What will probably end up happening is that companies will stop disclosing lap times as to not be enbroiled up in having to proove it.So ultimately this can hurt companies like Porsche,Nissan etc. that are touting the performance envelope.
— mini22 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 5:33:12 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

Why can't Porsche admit the new Nissan GT-R is superior than their overprice Porsche? Porsche you just got own again, and again, and again, just admitted.

You making yourself look very dumb and embrassing, I use to like your brand but not anymore. I lost all my respect for you Porsche.

Porches are sure piss now, especially when they got an offer from Nissan giving them a driving lesson. LOL..............................
— Lexus (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 5:41:35 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3

Nissan offering driving tips to porsche (Racing for Dummies)...is like a punch in the gut. The GTR obviously ruined part of porsches ego. Porsche needs to get over themselves and except the fact that Nissan just kicked their ass in this competition...regardless of how many races Porsche won. This is totally a seperate topic.
— Type707 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 7:47:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3

Nissan offering driving tips to porsche (Racing for Dummies)...is like a punch in the gut. The GTR obviously ruined part of porsches ego. Porsche needs to get over themselves and except the fact that Nissan just kicked their ass in this competition...regardless of how many races Porsche won. This is totally a seperate topic.
— Type707 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 7:47:32 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4

Nissan offering driving tips to porsche (Racing for Dummies)...is like a punch in the gut. The GTR obviously ruined part of porsches ego. Porsche needs to get over themselves and except the fact that Nissan just kicked their ass in this competition...regardless of how many races Porsche won. This is totally a seperate topic.
— Type707 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 7:47:35 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4

This is a silly debate and has been for the longest time. Porsche is one of the most respectable brands in the world. Nissan is first and foremost and econo-company. GT-R is the best Nissan will ever have to offer, nothing in its lineup is even worth mentioning, not even the upcoming 370z. GT-R is stealing the show for Nissan.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bym4KeAz3M0

My acquaintance dyno ran a GT-R in Phoenix, AZ and came up with similar results.
— Agent63 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 7:59:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3

Dear Porsche;
Sorry you lost. Included is the GT-R owners manual, Racing for Dummies and instructional video.
Yours truly,
Nissan

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UBZ5i15yVU8

— topneuro (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 8:32:19 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5

^^^LOL Thanks for the chuckle!
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:45:16 PM | | Votes: 0

The only fair solution (which most of you must of thought of already), is to have Top Gear's Stig's parents go back in time, and produce twins instead of just the one Stig.

Fast forward to this week and the twin Stigs (raised to maturity with equal driving opportunities) are unleashed on the Nurburgring: Stig-1 in a GTR and Stig-2 in the 911 Turbo.

There! An easy, logical way to prove which car's better.
— Lyall (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 8:36:43 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

Correction: which car is...FASTER. We already know Porsche is the better car.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 9:19:15 AM | | Votes: -7

The BTTF De Lorean could be repurposed for Stig's folks.
— Lyall (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 8:38:20 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

P.S.
Enjoy the GT-R you have, peek as much as you want, if you need help putting it back together will gladly assist. Sorry cannot give you our driver. How to drive the car you will have out figure yourself.
Yours truly;
Godzilla
http://www.youtube.com/user/nissansportz

— topneuro (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 8:47:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7

^^^LOL Thanks for the chuckle!
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 10:45:39 PM | | Votes: 3

Nissan's BS advertisement:

http://www.youtube.com/user/nissansportz

REALITY:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4smXEFijfXc&feature=related

Nissan name in the dictionary is right there as explanation for FRAUD!!!
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 9:16:10 AM | | Votes: -7

Grasping at straws...
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 9:34:34 AM | | Votes: 3

When is Star going to let go. The only words that come out of his mouth is Nissan is FRAUD, Porsche is better, Porsche is faster... If you look at the boost you are getting, everyone agrees you are the FRAUD, and instigator at that too. I think overtime, everyone here will start ignoring you. I'll start:

Star: blah, blah, blah...
— charles_cc (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 9:48:38 AM | | Votes: 6

"Everyone" who? There are obviously more idiots on these forums than car enthusiasts. In fact anybody who regularly gets positive boost here, is a TOOL.

I write for the intelligent car enthusiasts not for the scum of the earth who sides with everything that relates to their miserable lives.
I would start to worry if the majority here(which is formed by idiots) would agree with me.

P.S. Why don't you change your name in "Charles the tool" so the other tools can recognise you easier.
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 10:38:24 AM | | Votes: -7

"In fact anybody who regularly gets positive boost here, is a TOOL. "

don't be jealous, it's pathetic, just like the way you always insult people.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 11:22:45 AM | | Votes: 4

why don't you use "tool" 3 more times, Captain Originality.

hmmm....I wonder who else on this board does something like that???? Oh yeah, your other alias, QuantumMatrix.
— StarSearch (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 3:48:10 PM | | Votes: 4

OUCH! I wonder what Porsche execs are thinking just about now. Ok, my popcorn is ready. What will Porsche say next....
— DetectiveBA (View Profile)

Posted on 10/9/2008 11:13:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6

Porsche will say "Nissan GT-R is my daddy!!!" LOL
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 12:56:29 PM | | Votes: 2

Porsche will say something more like : is that unreliable POS GT-R out of the shop yet? Ha, ha, ha...LMAO...

— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 1:01:27 PM | | Votes: -6

Daddy GT-R still in the shop? Why did your transmission blow daddy GT-R...cheap parts and the usual bad engineering? LMAO...
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 1:05:06 PM | | Votes: -6

They need to make Viagra for cars because "godzilla" can't get it up anymore...ha, ha, ha....LMAO....
— Star (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 1:08:59 PM | | Votes: -6

Seems to me that whenever this happens it can only be good for all (enthusiasts) concerned. People like the cars they like, and drive what they like and can afford. But whatever happens to improve the lap times of some cars generally works to improve them all. Dont think that the other japanese makes dont have a couple of GTR's apart on the floor right now, Italians too.
— 4x4rules (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 3:49:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

The 911 is an icon. The GTR will become another Mitsubishi 3000GT VR4 or Toyota Supra. Not saying that's all bad, just saying it ain't the same. Sorry.
— r_driver04 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/10/2008 5:51:43 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0

Porsche is likely disassembling the GT-R right now, which is fine Nissan likely did the same on the Porsche 911 as part of GT-R research and development. This however will not solve Porsche problems since a new engine 550 hp is being developed for the 2010 GT-R.
— topneuro (View Profile)

Posted on 10/14/2008 1:17:22 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

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