Official LS600h horsepower and fuel economy revealed

Is it true that it's gonna be AWD?

— YZFracer23 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 12:16:47 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Why would you compare it to the V12s when it is only a V8????

— JasonRBare (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 12:28:28 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

amazing

— 1970toyotamarc (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 12:34:41 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

If it is a 2008, its EPA rating will not be so awesome as the EPA will have a test that replicates real driving conditions (also expect engines that shut off cylinders to drop their ratings more than regular engines)

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 12:35:06 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Lexus is definitely raising the bar with their flagship sedan for sure. LS600h L come with air conditioning which is controlled the body temperature of the passengers, wow! it really tight. With 444 bhp and get almost 30 mpg and goes from 0-60 in the low 5 is astonishing!!!! I belief the Lexus LS600h L base price is like $120K or $140K but not to sure.

I like this Lexus LS600h L than the MB S-class and BMW 7 series. In fact I think it look even better than the MB Maybach, hey it just my opinion.

Lexus

— Lexus (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 12:36:57 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

crazy

— sewingmachine (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 12:39:35 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

chewy

Not that crazy. A V12 TDI (rumored) would get similar milage with 450+ hp and 750+ pound feet of torque. However it is good.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 12:45:31 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

$120k lexus, we'll see if that floats... their claiming 30 mpg??? very impressive. 25 mpg is great for that much power. a/c controled by passenger body temp...is that an oral or rectal thermometer?.....sorry, i couldn't resist.

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 12:53:28 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Good Fuel economy, but mpgs are overrated... (not to take anything away from Toyota) but who cares about mpgs buying cars?

— Jovi (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 1:17:53 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Impressive, for sure, but I'd rather see more diesels here in the US. I can't wait for my next trip to Europe. I always rent diesels when overthere. So much fun! ;)

— BMW530i (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 5:09:30 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

29 mpg?
that's still worse than an S320cdi.
performace ins obviously better, but for people who care about economy, this sin't the car to have.
i agree with "Lexus", it does look better than maybach

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 6:43:16 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Rupert,

I truly understand your argument. Unfortunately, in some states in America diesel engine is banned for passenger cars. I am not sure which States that apply the ban, but California is definitely one of them. Now, imagine if the crème de la crème of the entire Lexus fleet cannot be sold in the State where your ride plays a more significant role than your brain. This was one of the reasons why petrol engine was combined with hybrid technologies. Don’t get me wrong, I love diesel engine. I wish they lift the ban, thus people can enjoy more roads from their cars. Or better, I wish some manufacturers can make diesel engine that complies the tough California’s emission regulations.

— sulev (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 7:43:33 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

stupid california, hummer, GREAT, diesel, BAD.
why???

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 7:55:05 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Rupert,

Because America's government is full of hippocrites. We demand better fuel economy but we do to little to enforce it.

Also, I was always baffled as to why California allows gas-guzzling SUV's but not diesels. The more fuel you burn, the more emissions, regardless of LEV or ULEV ceritification.

I live in Albany, New York and diesels are banned here too. :(

— BMW530i (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 8:00:51 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Those are good number, I doubt the mileage will hold up in real world. But in that class of a car mileage really is not a concern. Good job Lexus.

— PlanoA4 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 9:39:20 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Okay, reading Jakemiller's response in this thread, after replying in the other diesel thread I realize he is nothing more than a troll (stupid me for feeding him).

But to add relevance to this discussion: JasonRBare, the 600hL is being slotted against the V12's because it is Lexus's new flagship car aimed squarely at the S600, 760iL and the A8L. As such it seems that Lexus decided to fudge their numbering scheme when they added the electric engine to make it seem on par with the V12 engine size (from a marketing standpoint). Really is should be called a 500h, but I guess the hybrid engine counts for another 1L of displacement.

— jeffy210 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 10:23:01 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Lexus says it will feel like there is a V12 engine in the vechicle but with the mated hybrid engine it get's the gas mileage of a V8. I really wonder if it will feel like a V12?

— mkk21 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 11:53:51 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

sulev, diesels not allowed in california? i know the terminator drives like 10 H1 hummers, and aren't those diesels?

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 12:33:23 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The LS600HL is being slotted against V12s because that is the Power / Tourque Figures that the V12s produce.

The 2004 BMW 760iL V12 produced 444Bhp Exactly ( Not sure what the Lb Ft )

— I95SPEEDINGTICKETS (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 2:04:46 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I95, I know why they're pitting it against the V12's, I just have an issue with them fudging the badge number. Granted BMW and Mercedes have been doing that recently (745 when it's really a 4.4, and E63 when it's really a 6.2), but a big number jump like that really takes away from the scheme and makes it something arbitrary. They should have keept is a 500h which is what is should be. Same with the RX and GS, they should be a 330h and a 350h.

— jeffy210 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 2:09:06 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

i heard lexus my think of putting a v-10 hybrid to make the numbers closer(in some cases higher)to the german competition.

— dualexhaust (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 2:39:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

will, smoother performance than a german V12? now that's just outta line. c'mon, just admit you went too far on that one. it's ok

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 5:10:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

1995, the governator's hummers run on petrol or hydrogen.
the diesel in the hummmer replaced the petrol, a while back.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 5:39:37 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

rupert, the governator may have a diesel free H1, but on the hummer website, it is the only engine listed. i don't think the H1 was ever offered with anything but the gm diesel, then the isuzu-designed duramax when it replaced the gm unit.

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 5:52:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

hang on, ill dig out the book on suvs i have handy...

the hummer h1 began with the gasoline engine, and since arnie was one of the first to buy one, his would have had the gas engine.
the diesel replaced it around 1995.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 7:54:17 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

rupert, the sight i viewed listed the first H1 available in 1992. the gasoline engine was not an option until 1995. and it was only an option for 95' and 96' model years. it was a 5.7 liter V8, (a.k.a. chevy 350c.i.)

i remember this because i wanted a hummer from the day i set eyes on them, and they had the gm diesel. and that diesel was garbage. i believe they took a big block gm V8 and converted it to diesel. thats why it was such big news when gm finally got that duramax. here's the sight i referenced, it's a dealership with an online Hummer buyer's guide:

http://4wheeldrive.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ&sdn=4wheeldrive&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lynchhummer.com%2FChanges%2Findex.html

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 8:17:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

by the way, i don't want a hummer anymore. i grew outta that phase long ago.

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 8:18:26 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

my book says the opposite!
it says it was petrol, but changed to the gm diesel in 1994.
in 1996 a turbo diesel was introduced.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 8:25:27 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

rupert, do you reside in U.S.A.? i know many countries make up this community, and we could be refering to 2 totally different markets.

did you look at the link i included?

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 8:54:37 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

the diesel from 92-95 wasn't turbo. the turbodiesel WAS an option in 96.

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/29/2006 8:56:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I believe the original Hummer had a turbodiesel engine, Rupert. The car was first and foremost designed for military duties and hence a diesel engine was necessary for increased range and low flamability (diesel fuel doesn't explode as easily as gas).

— BMW530i (View Profile)

Posted on 8/30/2006 5:03:40 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

well then my book is wrong.
stupid book.
lying to me.
no, i'm from the uk.
but the book is an american one.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 8/30/2006 7:49:21 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Chewy,
but what's the C02 on that V12 diesel? 4cylinder diesels are dirty enough as they are.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/30/2006 9:42:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

I agree with Rupert on this one. The Hummer did have a gas and diesel engine, but they dropped the gas one because it's epa stunk (probably killed the demand).

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/30/2006 9:43:31 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

every H1 on ebay is diesel except for a few in 95'/96'

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 8/30/2006 10:15:56 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

huu, diesels produce less co2 than petrol.
want figures?
bmw 530d: 184 grams per kilometre.
bmw 530i: 212 grams per kilometre.

bmw 320d: 153
bmw 320i: 178
note than the 320d is faster to 60 than the 320i.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 9/1/2006 2:41:59 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

rupert, what ommisions obstacles have manufacturers had to overcome to sell in U.S.? i thought it had to do with sulfur content or something.

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/1/2006 10:46:08 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

particles and things, not too sure.
it's all about smog or something.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 9/2/2006 8:39:29 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1