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Pass The Crack Pipe Please! Lexus Prices The LF-A At $225,000

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Pass The Crack Pipe Please! Lexus Prices The LF-A At $225,000

After three auto show appearances and the occasional spy photo and video from Germany's high-speed Nürburgring test circuit, it's no secret that the Lexus LF-A supercar concept is headed for production. With an estimated 500 horsepower coming from the LF-A's 5.0-liter V10, we didn't expect the Lexus to come cheap, but Inside Line has learned that the car will carry a price tag over $200,000.

Ben Mitchell, corporate product planning manager for Lexus, confirmed that the price of the carbon-fiber supercar "will begin with a two." And another Lexus source in Japan told Inside Line the price may be as high as $225,000

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Bmw8ter - 5/21/2008 10:29:24 AM

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*Puff* *Puff*, pass on this one.

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montyz81 - 5/21/2008 12:53:37 PM

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The article above says this "Ben Mitchell, corporate product planning manager for Lexus, confirmed that the price of the carbon-fiber supercar "will begin with a two." So yes they have confirmed!

lexusrox123 - 5/22/2008 9:02:18 AM

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HOLY CRAP is all i can say rite now.

kthor - 5/24/2008 9:42:22 PM

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I have an idea. Let's wait until the car gets produced and then judge its worth based on the car itself. Maybe it will be worth every last cent and then some.

dimitri_010 - 5/21/2008 10:29:56 AM

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$225,000 toyota yaris

just kidding :)

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CLK63BlackSeries - 5/21/2008 3:00:01 PMView My AgentSpace

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lmao

hao420 - 5/21/2008 11:22:29 PM

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Finally,see some asian car worth for money...

montyz81 - 5/21/2008 12:52:51 PM

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for this price, You could have a GT-R and GT-R spec V. Then you would have to figure just how much you want to whip the LF-A's but. Do I want to do it by 3 seconds or 5 seconds? I pick two GT-R's over this anyday!

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shabaru - 5/21/2008 7:55:03 PM

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Take the SC430 as a great example... I dont think that the LF-A is even worth 67,000.... i do think that the lexus SC430 is worth about 40K and the LS460 is worth just about 31K... anyone up for an avalon?

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ChicaneShooter - 5/22/2008 6:01:34 AM

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the LF-A beat out both a Lambo and an Aston Martin at the recent race at Nurburgring.

RAN THEM INTO the ground! both were DNFs, while the lexus claimed 1st in the class.

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Auto_expert - 5/22/2008 9:03:20 PM

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Yeah, (putting aside having one and just selling it for the cash) I'd rather have an M3 or 335i for that matter.

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BMWMPower - 5/22/2008 10:59:47 PM

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Yes it beat the DNF's but you obviously didn't look at the results otherwise you would know that it was beat by a BMW 120d about a dozen M3's another dozen porsches, several 335i's along with some FORD FIESTA's and an ASTRA not much to be proud of!

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auto001 - 5/21/2008 10:35:15 AM

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This thing competes with Gallardo, F430, 911 GT2 etc, it's in the ballpark.

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Agent009 - 5/21/2008 10:44:48 AMView My AgentSpace

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By price yes, by performance I doubt it!

answer - 5/21/2008 11:13:48 AMView My AgentSpace

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Agent 009 now takes his bias into the future, giving us all test results that haven't even taken place yet.

Bravo.

Agent009 - 5/21/2008 11:50:38 AMView My AgentSpace

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I'm using the IS-F as a benchmark for entering a segment by Lexus.

An excellent attempt, but still 4th out of 4 cars in the segment.

HOWEVER, the IS-F is more of a skunkworks car than the LF-A, so I hope the LF-A does better.

Obviously at $225k it needs to be the best. I think Lexus realizes that.

993Turbo - 5/21/2008 1:42:18 PM

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Ouch. The carbon fiber clause rings the bling bell.

IF..... they ever get it built.

VISO - 5/22/2008 4:58:24 PM

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R8 V10 (525 bhp) anyday!

auto001 - 5/21/2008 10:46:01 AM

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7:11 - McLaren F1 (out of production)
7:15 - Porsche 996 GT2 RS (out of production)
7:24 - LEXUS LF-A
7:28 - Pagani Zonda F
7:28 - Porsche Carrera GT
7.32 - Porsche 997 GT2
7:34 - Koenigsegg CCR
7:37 - NISSAN SKYLINE GT-R 35
7:40 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
7:40 - Porsche 997 Turbo
7:40 - Bugatti Veyron
7:41 - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410
7.42 - Corvette Z06
7.55 - Ferrari F430
7.56 - Lamborghini Gallardo

and don't forget, with the Lexus you'll get performance, looks and reliability :)

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Agent009 - 5/21/2008 10:47:10 AMView My AgentSpace

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Lexus reliability has taken a hit as of late.

silver1 - 5/21/2008 11:13:45 AM

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Name one Luxury brand thats more dependable than a Lexus? According to J.D. Power a reliable source lexus beats them all....So with a hit their still on TOP

silver1 - 5/21/2008 11:18:26 AM

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Agent009 - 5/21/2008 11:53:23 AMView My AgentSpace

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silver1- I believe lowly Buick has the same JD Power scores. Besides even Toyota admits (in a previous article posted here) that the customers report more personal issues with design as defects, rather than actual reliability issues. So even Toyota says reliability is not a big factor today.

silver1 - 5/21/2008 12:13:59 PM

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I said Luxury car.... Buick is not a Luxury car nor a luxury brand.....
And where did you see that toyota said reliability is not a big factor today? Please show PROOF!

answer - 5/21/2008 12:30:45 PMView My AgentSpace

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"silver1- I believe lowly Buick has the same JD Power scores. Besides even Toyota admits (in a previous article posted here) that the customers report more personal issues with design as defects, rather than actual reliability issues. So even Toyota says reliability is not a big factor today."

Toyota has mentioned there has been a decline in their overall quality level of late, but I don't think they have ever, nor would ever say reliability is not a big factor. I can't imagine any car company saying that.

And although "lowly Buick" and Lexus score comparitively, that's not as big of deal as Benz/Bimmer/Audi all placing below the Buick/Lexus rank is it?

montyz81 - 5/21/2008 12:59:36 PM

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"And all these car listed, only the lexus LF-A will last past a 100,000 miles"

The GT-R will last past 200k miles. Remember Wards has named that V6 to Wards top 10 list for the last 14 or 15 years.

silver1 - 5/21/2008 1:22:26 PM

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montyz81 - 5/21/2008 2:22:42 PM

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Just because it is a "lexus" and not a Nissan? So does that mean the Lexus ES350 is going to last longer then a Toyota Camry because it says "Lexus" on it?

Randry - 5/21/2008 2:48:18 PM

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http://www.motorauthority.com/news/supercars/official-nissan-gt-r-laps-nurburgring-in-7m-29s/

silver1 - 5/21/2008 3:15:20 PM

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"montyz81"

thats absolutely correct. Luxury brands are modified for better high quality parts that will last longer. Even when building the cars at the plants the builder are more qualified than a non-luxury brand. Could you imagine the same type of builder build chevy vs Cadillac, or BMW vs Mini Coooper, or BMW vs. Rolls Royce, or VW vs. Audi, Mercedes vs.Maybach, or Maxima vs G35? And the answer to all these is no.

Luxury cars are build better and will last longer than a non-luxury car.

Agent009 - 5/21/2008 4:48:52 PMView My AgentSpace

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montyz81- that point will be academic. I SERIOUSLY doubt any LF-A will EVER be driven that many miles.

andraz - 5/22/2008 3:22:51 AM

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NIce results there. But a car with this kind of performance, reliability will hurt for sure.

andraz - 5/22/2008 3:23:00 AM

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NIce results there. But a car with this kind of performance, reliability will hurt for sure.

hao420 - 5/22/2008 1:47:24 PM

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Wow,Silver1 telling D true.......

Doychmark - 5/23/2008 1:20:34 AM

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Lexus is just an over priced, over rated toyota that wants to keep up with the big boys. Every single innovation that has been done that dramatically put a dent in the auto industry has been done by europe. Lexus is for people that think they are driving all the cars above in that list. PERIOD. If you say it's a reliable car, then ok. So is a honda, minus the $200,000. Lexus is just a sheep in wolves clothing. Technologically it has achieved NOTHING. making your lights active with steering is not that big of a deal. AND, a few months ago I had heard a lexus commercial on the radio saying "doctors say you should get your heart rate up for good health, blah blah blah... so visit your lexus dealer". BMW had that same commercial when the e60 5 series came out YEARS ago. Not only does lexus bite off bmw's but they also help themselves to copying commercials. SAVE YOUR MONEY

carguy68 - 5/21/2008 10:43:41 AM

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225,00 for a toyota lol!!

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Agent009 - 5/21/2008 10:46:27 AMView My AgentSpace

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CLK63BlackSeries - 5/21/2008 3:04:51 PMView My AgentSpace

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Ummm... Toyota created Lexus and based it's models on most of the same parts as their Toyota counterparts. VW and Lamborghini have a completely different relationship.

answer - 5/21/2008 4:50:03 PMView My AgentSpace

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But if those parts work, who cares right?

CLK63BlackSeries - 5/21/2008 7:54:24 PMView My AgentSpace

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valid point, answer. however, this would mean that if you wanted to, you could put casio parts in a rolex. after all, casio parts work just fine.

S4cabriofoxone - 5/21/2008 10:40:26 PMView My AgentSpace

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Actually, that would be a $200K Audi, not a $200K VW...

I know, I know, splitting hairs, but there is a difference. Audi owns Lamborghini, and its board members are the ones that call the shots with the brand. So far, I'm extremely happy with their direction.

CLK63BlackSeries - 5/21/2008 11:25:05 PMView My AgentSpace

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Oh, Audi is genius Mr. S4. I am still down about my car being the same exact msrp as an R8 but not being able to get it because of the $50k mark-up.

iamdabest1 - 5/21/2008 10:49:34 AM

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911 turbo for me..... if i must waste 225,000 gallardo/f 430.

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AlexTx - 5/21/2008 10:50:41 AM

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Except Lambo has a legacy for cars like this..
Toyota??????
VW did not create Lambo, and by the way, it belongs to Audi and not VW.

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Agent009 - 5/21/2008 11:08:07 AMView My AgentSpace

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You have a point there.. It is always a uphill battle to do it in house.

0to60 - 5/21/2008 12:02:39 PM

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Toyota did a great job with Lexus in general and it was in house.

Agent009 - 5/21/2008 2:43:59 PMView My AgentSpace

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True however they did it in a country that values posh over real performance gains. This is a whole nother animal here though. So far in every category Lexus competes in where performance is concerned overall they place at the bottom of the pack.

This does not mean they haven't targeted an untapped market here. If that is so, then they may teach us all a lesson.

Agent009 - 5/21/2008 4:38:36 PMView My AgentSpace

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TheBoss- LOL you think you have caught me there. My predictions (and they were VERY close) were for straight line performance only. As you are aware there is more than one aspect to consider and I was predicting theoretical 0-60 1/4 times.

You have to consider cornering, braking, and transient response. You can excel in a few of those and I dare say you may even be able to excel in all static tests, but when it goes on the track how well they all work together is the ultimate test. This is where many fail. They focus on the static tests not the overall package.

Doychmark - 5/26/2008 3:24:42 PM

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it belongs to VW kiddo, not audi.

markanthony0419 - 5/21/2008 10:51:40 AM

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car looks great but i am already tired of it and its not even out yet. 225k will be a bust i might pick a lexus over a ferrari yea right

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w209w114 - 5/21/2008 10:53:09 AMView My AgentSpace

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$225K??? HUGE mistake. This should have been an Audi R8 Competitor price-wise, not a Lamborghini/Ferrari wannabe.

First you learn to crawl then you walk and then run. Good Luck Toyota.

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VISO - 5/22/2008 5:17:07 PM

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Though the R8 will receive the V10. So, the R8 will further challenge in the super sports car arena. Lexus is overshooting with trying to start in this area.

LexSucks - 5/21/2008 10:59:42 AM

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That car doesn't look like a $225k car IMO. Expect slow sales, serious discounts, and a short product life cycle. Lexus needs to stick to luxury. They always seem to mess something up when it comes to sport.

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Agent009 - 5/21/2008 11:08:56 AMView My AgentSpace

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The first year will be a sell out.. the remaining years are the question.

0to60 - 5/21/2008 12:06:40 PM

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I agree with the part that Lexus should stick with Luxury. They do that very well. They do always screw up sport because their version of sport still feels luxury i.e. IS350.

enthusiastx11 - 5/21/2008 12:51:38 PM

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sell out...because they'll only make two.

VRstage2STi - 5/21/2008 11:04:40 AM

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911 GT2 over this $225k imposter

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993Turbo - 5/21/2008 1:43:31 PM

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GT2, though listing for $190k was just selling in the store window for $289.

silver1 - 5/21/2008 11:11:21 AM

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answer - 5/21/2008 11:13:01 AMView My AgentSpace

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At no point in the edmunds.com story does it say anything about a "crackpipe". Please correct this post. It infers that edmunds story uses that term.

Agent 009, being a super Lexus hater aside, for that price point the LF-A really is going to have to deliver. I don't think they would release the car otherwise though.

Lexus knows this, and I'm sure is going to make this halo car worth the wait and years of hype.

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Agent009 - 5/21/2008 4:44:28 PMView My AgentSpace

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answer- I no longer own a Lexus, but I have before. Personally they are great cars but the disadvantages to me outweigh their strong points. Oddly enough the only car in the last 20 years that have left me dead on the side of the road was a Lexus.

I would say if I was short term on these cars (IE: 4 years or less), they still would be considered, for a number of reasons. However personally for me only, they have yet released anything that sways me to the "dark side". My lack of affinity for the brand has been an acquired taste.

answer - 5/21/2008 4:51:52 PMView My AgentSpace

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I agree that the current Lexus lineup doesn't get me too excited either.

The best looking Lexus was, and still is, the original SC400.

Chronoseus - 5/21/2008 11:25:35 AM

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@ xdrive - WTF r u talking about, the GT-R is FUGLY, I would nvr choose a GT-R before a Porche or anything on that segment.

Now on 2 the LF-A, WTF where u expecting from a carbon fiber super-car. Lemme s-p-e-l-l that again, carbon-fiber-super-car. It doesnt matter where a car is from when its carbon fiber u r talking about, its the same ull find in other cars u dumm*sses. And, if the figures r right, this car is a great performer, not that im buying it, but still a gr8t performer, and im sure somebody would buy it... just not me.

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ILikeLambo - 5/22/2008 7:17:46 AM

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Did you ever go to english class Chronoseus?

But 225,000 for an LF-A, I still don't think this car will ever go into production.

AlyshaBeezie - 5/21/2008 11:28:37 AM

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Just my opinion but...

I'm sorry, but first of all, how many Lexus enthusiasts are there out there? Secondly, how many Toyota enthusiasts are there out there? Thirdly, even if there are a ton (which I doubt there are) they most likely will not have that kind of coin to drop on a car. Fourthly, how many people are gonna spend that kind of money on a Lexus even if they are not a Lexus enthusiast? Lastly, it costs well more than the R8, and probably more than the R8 V-10 will when it comes out, so why wouldn't you get that, or even a Ferrari. Can you imagine sitting at a light and an F430 pulls up next to you and laughs because you could have had his car, but instead you are in a stupid Lexus? I would just leave it to the professional car companies that have been making supercars for years now!

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answer - 5/21/2008 11:38:58 AMView My AgentSpace

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Swap "Acura" for "Lexus" in your comment.

All was said about the NSX, but that turned out pretty well.

silver1 - 5/21/2008 11:41:28 AM

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Alot of them....lets not forget that Lexus is the #1 Luxury brand in the almighty US and the most preferred US brand although it is name after the US: L: Luxury EX: EXport U: United S: States
And Toyota Camry is the #1 selling car in America for I don't know how many years because I lost count, and the toyota Corolla is the #1 selling car in the world.

So there are a lot of car enthusiast for Lex and Toyota. More than you can imagine...

AlyshaBeezie - 5/21/2008 11:49:20 AM

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Sorry “answer” I am just a girl in a boys world ;)

F1_Driver - 5/21/2008 1:11:32 PM

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Nah, you're just an idiot.

Agent009 - 5/21/2008 2:40:58 PMView My AgentSpace

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Silver1- On Toyota's Corporate blog here is just the first response to Toyota/Lexus quality issues:

The brand with the worst score, by the way, had 170 problems per 100 vehicles, or 1.7 problems per vehicle. So from best to worst, that’s a difference of just 0.79 problems per vehicle for the first three months of ownership. This range has decreased dramatically during the last five years or so; most carmakers are doing a great job of delivering a trouble-free vehicle at the point of sale.

Rupert - 5/21/2008 5:25:59 PMView My AgentSpace

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Alysha - I agree with you. At that price tag you want to best badge you can get, and Ferrari or Lambo trumps Lexus every time.

S4cabriofoxone - 5/21/2008 10:38:25 PMView My AgentSpace

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"All was said about the NSX, but that turned out pretty well."

The NSX did not cost more than a Ferrari.

1evlaudi - 5/22/2008 12:47:30 AMView My AgentSpace

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the comment of the thread so far +++

NSXR - 5/24/2008 4:15:22 PM

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For some reason; I just don't feel Acura will come out with a replacement for the NSX. I've thought many times about selling it, but when I take it out for a drive, those thought just fade into thin air :)

EL34 - 5/21/2008 11:29:30 AM

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They must be crazy, nuts and full of De La Olla beans.

If want the best camera tripod you buy a carbon fibre Gitzo and a Really Right Stuff ballhead.

It's time for ToyLex to step away from the car business.

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silver1 - 5/21/2008 11:35:35 AM

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Their just waking up bro, it's far from over, this is just the beginning.....

simmonsdp - 5/21/2008 4:33:30 PM

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Well I guess silver1 set the record straight with you EL34.... :-)

AMiodynski - 5/21/2008 11:35:57 AM

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We have 9 orders for this car already !!! And all 9 of these customer's have/ or had anything that is been mentioned.

Lexus is not for the dreamers, but for people the are looking for true luxury/performance/and reliability !!

$5,000 gets your name on the list...
Who's next?

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silver1 - 5/21/2008 11:43:59 AM

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Me!!!!!!! I wish! :(

theoptimisticpessimist - 5/21/2008 12:45:31 PM

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Do you 9 customers know it's going to cost 200K

JRobUSC - 5/22/2008 8:23:42 AM

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they'll be asking for their money back when they find out it's $225k and they could get a Ferrari, Lamborghini, or Aston Martin for the same amount.

hao420 - 5/22/2008 1:59:57 PM

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can I have U dealer address?

EL34 - 5/21/2008 12:02:22 PM

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I would rather have the new Ferrari California GT :-)

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jeeka715 - 5/21/2008 12:16:32 PM

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If it can walk the walk with other cars for that price, then what is the problem? How can you fail or succeed if you never try?! (meaing, try to expand your market)

I think it works in reverse, though, when a luxury make tries to go down-market. People might have the impression that it dilutes the brand.

All you "imposter" and "just a Toyota" name callers should just grow up.

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jeeka715 - 5/21/2008 12:17:48 PM

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*meaning

ChicaneShooter - 5/22/2008 7:06:09 AM

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LOL! so true!

meanwhile, as Lexus reaches ever further upmarket (there were naysayers too, over the $110k ls600hl which sold at 3x early projections), both bmw and mb are slumming DOWNmarket, diluting their brands with 1- and A-series!

lexus has snuck past mb in prestige, trailing only porsche and bmw. how much longer before it passes those two as well?

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