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Paul McCartney 's New LS600H Emits More CO2 In Transport Than It Will Ever Save!

The Lexus LS600H, which costs £84,000, was a gift from Lexus to the 65-year-old former Beatle, who helped promote the hybrid vehicle.

But instead of arriving by boat as expected, the car was flown to Britain on a Korean Air flight, creating a carbon footprint almost 100 times bigger than if it had come by sea.

Sir Paul is a vocal advocate of vegetarianism and has long been a poster child for environmental activism.

 

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Paul McCartney 's New LS600H Emits More CO2 In Transport Than It Will Ever Save!



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answeranswer - 5/14/2008 5:21:17 PMView My AgentSpace
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But if the plane was otherwise full, and the car was just along for the ride it's not a big deal.

Now if the plane was empty, with the LS the sole occupant besides the pilots, that would be a different story.

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chewychewy - 5/14/2008 5:25:45 PMView My AgentSpace
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you can't fit too many cars on a plane. So in the end you still end up with unecessary c02.

I am sure it's not the first car transported by plane. Nothing wrong with that, just funny when it happens to the greenies.


lexusrox123lexusrox123 - 5/14/2008 5:26:20 PM
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al gore would be all over this if the ls600h was indeed the only thing transported in the plane.


lexusis350lexusis350 - 5/14/2008 5:27:30 PM
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Al Gore is also a moron.


lexusrox123lexusrox123 - 5/14/2008 5:31:53 PM
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lexusis350-

i agree. al gore IS a moron.


theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 5/14/2008 6:44:19 PM
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Why is Al Gore a moron? I why would he be all over this?


1995e341995e34 - 5/14/2008 6:45:42 PM
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if al gore is a moron, then we're all cavemen. what on earth makes gore a moron? he just won the nobel prize, and has dedicated himself to increasing awareness of the destruction of our planet.

wake up. just because you don't WANT what he says to be true, doesn't mean its not true.

regaurdless, if we as a nation were to greatly improve the efficiency of our energy comnsumption we wouldn't be in many of our military and financial predicaments.


lexusis350lexusis350 - 5/14/2008 6:51:44 PM
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And just because you WANT to believe what he says doesnt make it true. Plus, he contributes a lot more CO2 emissions than I do and I don't even believe what he's preaching.


1995e341995e34 - 5/14/2008 7:06:45 PM
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i certainly don't want what he says to be true. it would be great if all we had to worry about was the supply of oil rather than than supply AND impact of oil.

why would ANYONE want this to be true? i've heard this argument before. i don't know where it comes from.

is there some sort of scientist/democrat conspiracy i don't know about?

al gore isn't my source of information anyhow. also, i tried to be extremely skeptical when viewing his movie. i actually have spent long hours researching the topic, and found his statements to be quite consistent with the scientific community as a whole.

what source of information has led you to your conclusions? how extensively have you researched the issue? i don't mean to come across as condescending, but i have found that the more people read about this topic, the less likely they are to believe our planet isn't at risk.

i would be happy to read some of your sources.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 5/14/2008 8:59:46 PM
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the car weighs two tons. now here's a revelation for you: the more weight the plane carries, the more fuel it burns. therefore, putting a car on board burns more fuel regardless of what was on the plane.


lexusis350lexusis350 - 5/14/2008 10:16:41 PM
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1995e34-
I don't have to have resources, it's common scientific knowledge. You know how the earth is tilted 23.5 degrees? Well, it's not always that way. It naturally tilts as the earth spins. Every couple thousand years, it'll rotate +/- 23.5 degrees. Which means that the angle the sun hits the planet is different which explains why the winters are colder and the summers are warmer. It also explains why the ice caps are melting, cause yes, the sun is now shining more directly on them. It has absolutely nothing to do with CO2 in the atmosphere. Look at the past, the earth has naturally gone through heating and cooling stages. Who's to say it isn't doing what it always has done right now? Besides, back in the late 1800s-early 1900s, there was a TON more CO2 going into the atmosphere and nothing ever happened. Trust me, it's a natural phenomenon.


1995e341995e34 - 5/14/2008 11:09:57 PM
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i don't think many in the scientific community would consider it common knowledge that co2 doesn't effect global warming.

and if the the axis tilting were the cause of this, there wouldn't be a net change in temperature, but merely a shift in climate zones. while one pole heats up from increased sunlight, the other cools from decreased.

yes, there are occasional temperature fluctuations. but something always causes them.

and in reference to the late 1800's carbon emmisions, they were NOT greater than current emmisions. not even close. and a large portion of the 1800's carbon emmisions were from wood stoves burning wood that wasn't adding to the net carbond emmisions (trees eventually die and turn to co2, while fossil fuels would never release co2 on their own).


lexusis350lexusis350 - 5/15/2008 2:46:57 AM
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Barack is worse than Gore by far.


zorbeezezorbeeze - 5/15/2008 8:38:45 AM
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Although i don't believe half the things Al Gore says, i would never call him a moron. How about this statement "lexusis350 is a moron".
To think that CO2 emissions play no role in our environment is ridiculous, although all those who are crying the end of the world should get a grip of themselves and realise we are far from it.

Bottom line is lexusis350 is a moron.

And if americans are lucky enough they'll be able to have Obama as their president and hopefully things will change for the better after 8 years of the monkey running the show.


85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/16/2008 10:03:58 AMView My AgentSpace
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you can fit about 20+ on a C5 aircraft and almost the same on a 747. Hell we put 6 greyhound busses on one c5, 3 on one side 3 on the other with room to spare.


bimmerfan25bimmerfan25 - 5/16/2008 4:57:59 PM
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answer has a good point. besides, you can fit a lot of cars and people onto a trans-oceanic plane. have you ever seen a jumbo jet?

and Al Gore is a true american. Bush are the brainless farts who support him are morons.


bimmerfan25bimmerfan25 - 5/16/2008 4:59:38 PM
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exactly, what makes Al Gore a moron? Because he cares about the future of human kind on planet earth more then about helping oil companies get higher profits? If you think Gore is a moron, the only thing it proves is that YOU are a moron.


bimmerfan25bimmerfan25 - 5/16/2008 5:04:01 PM
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""""""""""1995e34-
I don't have to have resources, it's common scientific knowledge. You know how the earth is tilted 23.5 degrees? Well, it's not always that way. It naturally tilts as the earth spins. Every couple thousand years, it'll rotate +/- 23.5 degrees. Which means that the angle the sun hits the planet is different which explains why the winters are colder and the summers are warmer. """""""""""

LLLLOOOOLLLL this guy is dumber then a box of rocks. People like him are the reason USA is going down the toilet right now, and taking the rest of the world with it. Stupid people like him need to be kept as far away from government as possibly, we've all learned that during the past 7 years.

and 1995e34 is 100%. EVERYONE who studies the subject understands that our climate is in danger. That is common scientific knowledge. It's hilarious how these stupid people who know NOTHING about science, other then some primiti cr@p they learned in 2nd grade, think they are smart enough to make decisions for us.

lexusis350- you're a joke.


bimmerfan25bimmerfan25 - 5/16/2008 5:08:37 PM
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To think that CO2 emissions play no role in our environment is ridiculous, although all those who are crying the end of the world should get a grip of themselves and realise we are far from it.

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not really. we are much closer to the "end of the world" then you think, if we don't change anything. FACT- since the start of the industrial revolution, about 1750, the amount of CO2 in the atmostphere is on track to double by 2030. After that it will double again by 2100. That means, from 1750 to 2100 the amount of CO2 in the atmosphere would grow 4 times.

Any scientist who hasn't drunk himself retarded will tell you that if the amount of CO2 increases 4 times- we will be in some SERIOUS trouble.


SubarinaSpecBSubarinaSpecB - 5/17/2008 12:16:50 AM
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Last night, Al Gore's global-warming documentary, An Inconvenient Truth, collected an Oscar for best documentary feature, but the Tennessee Center for Policy Research has found that Gore deserves a gold statue for hypocrisy.


Gore's mansion, located in the posh Belle Meade area of Nashville, consumes more electricity every month than the average American household uses in an entire year, according to the Nashville Electric Service (NES).

In his documentary, the former Vice President calls on Americans to conserve energy by reducing electricity consumption at home.

The average household in America consumes 10,656 kilowatt-hours (kWh) per year, according to the Department of Energy. In 2006, Gore devoured nearly 221,000 kWh--more than 20 times the national average.

Last August alone, Gore burned through 22,619 kWh--guzzling more than twice the electricity in one month than an average American family uses in an entire year. As a result of his energy consumption, Gore's average monthly electric bill topped $1,359.

Since the release of An Inconvenient Truth, Gore's energy consumption has increased from an average of 16,200 kWh per month in 2005, to 18,400 kWh per month in 2006.

Gore's extravagant energy use does not stop at his electric bill. Natural gas bills for Gore's mansion and guest house averaged $1,080 per month last year.

"As the spokesman of choice for the global warming movement, Al Gore has to be willing to walk the walk, not just talk the talk, when it comes to home energy use," said Tennessee Center for Policy Research President Drew Johnson.

In total, Gore paid nearly $30,000 in combined electricity and natural gas bills for his Nashville estate in 2006.

Yikes! Gore is an energy glutton. Now compare this to President Bush's comparatively modest home in Crawford, Texas, which is a model of environmental friendliness:

The 4,000-square-foot house is a model of environmental rectitude


Geothermal heat pumps located in a central closet circulate water through pipes buried 300 feet deep in the ground where the temperature is a constant 67 degrees; the water heats the house in the winter and cools it in the summer. Systems such as the one in this "eco-friendly" dwelling use about 25% of the electricity that traditional heating and cooling systems utilize.

A 25,000-gallon underground cistern collects rainwater gathered from roof runs; wastewater from sinks, toilets and showers goes into underground purifying tanks and is also funneled into the cistern. The water from the cistern is used to irrigate the landscaping surrounding the four-bedroom home. Plants and flowers native to the high prairie area blend the structure into the surrounding ecosystem.

No, this is not the home of some eccentrically wealthy eco-freak trying to shame his fellow citizens into following the pristineness of his self-righteous example. And no, it is not the wilderness retreat of


bimmerfan25bimmerfan25 - 5/17/2008 2:13:05 PM
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Al Gore is doing by far more then most people to save our planet. It is not his fault his cars and airplanes consumer gas, and that his natural gas and electricity pollutes. If large companies invested money in green technology and we had green cars/airplanes and electricity, Gore would use it. Period.


chewychewy - 5/14/2008 5:24:00 PMView My AgentSpace
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lexusrox123lexusrox123 - 5/14/2008 5:29:40 PM
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personally, if i get a car that got transported by a plane, i woulndt care much...

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chewychewy - 5/14/2008 5:49:30 PMView My AgentSpace
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exactly, lot's of things are transported by plane for convenience. But if your a greenie celebrity, you end up being a fat hypocrite when your "green" (not really) car is delivered by plane. And not by a ship which would be a lot more C02 efficient per vehicle.


lexusis350lexusis350 - 5/14/2008 6:19:51 PM
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...when your "green" (not really) car is delivered by plane....


Personally, I don't believe that Lexus designed their hybrids to be the greenest with the best emissions. I think they designed them to have added horsepower with somewhat better gas mileage than the competition. More of sport hybrids, rather than hippie hybrids (like the Prius).


ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 5/15/2008 1:05:30 AM
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my neighbor works for alaska airlines.

coupla years ago, he mentioned seeing THREE mercedes v12 sedans being airfreighted to japan. without doubt, that added a whole lot more co2 to the atmosphere than this did.

AND, once landed, EACH of those mb v12s CONTINUED to POUR far more co2 into the air than this ls600h EVER will!




Htay7500Htay7500 - 5/16/2008 8:30:53 AM
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"AND, once landed, EACH of those mb v12s CONTINUED to POUR far more co2 into the air than this ls600h EVER will!"

because those v12s aren't hybrids, and those who are asking for those mb v12s aren't gonna care about the environment.



EL34EL34 - 5/14/2008 5:52:31 PM
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Is there anyone else besides me that thinks the LS looks like an overgrown Toyota Corolla :-?

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hao420hao420 - 5/14/2008 6:01:31 PM
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Yea,u look like overgown 3 years old kid~~


F1_DriverF1_Driver - 5/14/2008 6:56:20 PM
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Don't you get tired of trolling, at some point???


_43LE_43LE - 5/14/2008 10:59:31 PM
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The LS looks like the Corolla as much as the Smart looks like an S-class.


simmonsdpsimmonsdp - 5/15/2008 7:04:58 AM
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Ha,Ha,,,


PorschinatorPorschinator - 5/14/2008 6:06:31 PM
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Who is the cutie in the picture with Paul? LOL There is no such thing as a low CO2 LARGE vehicle. Lower CO2 perhaps as a hybrid. It is a descent first attempt so we will see how the h will evolve.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 5/14/2008 6:26:33 PMView My AgentSpace
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Really, he wouldn't be saving much of anything by having an LS600hL by itself, so what's the difference?

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lexusis350lexusis350 - 5/14/2008 6:38:55 PM
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If indeed what you say is true, that proves that modern-day hippies (a.k.a. global warming activists) are hypocrites. If he takes the LSh even though it's not making a difference, he's going against everything he's been preaching.


MichaelTaylorMichaelTaylor - 5/14/2008 8:16:49 PM
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People like Paul McCartney care about the environment, hence the LS600h. Someone who drives an S600 or a 760i obviously is a badge whore who cares more about status and doesn't do anything to help preserve the environment.

Give Lexus credit for at least producing a car that makes a difference.


KZ258KZ258 - 5/14/2008 6:51:13 PM
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ok this article is pointless. people(excluding those stupid hippies) are buying hybrids to save trips to the gas station, not to have a "cleaner" world

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lexusis350lexusis350 - 5/14/2008 6:53:38 PM
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Yes, good point. That's why I think the LSh is a good buy. The competition cars get 11-13 mpg and the LSh gets 20-22.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 5/14/2008 10:50:19 PMView My AgentSpace
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Which competition are you referring to? The Audi A8L W12 and Mercedes-Benz S600, both of which are significantly quicker? Because last I knew, the cars that were the same speed as the LSh--A8L 4.2, S550, 750Li--got the same mileage.


lexusis350lexusis350 - 5/14/2008 11:48:04 PM
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Nice try, S4. I looked up the gas mileage on all of them, the LSh came out on top. Even if it wasn't significantly more fuel efficient, the numbers add up over time. That's more than $20 each time you fill up.

A8L W - 15 mpg
S600 - 11 mpg
LSh - 20 mpg

A8L 4.2 - 16 mpg
S550 - 14 mpg
750Li - 15 mpg
LSh - 20 mpg


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 5/15/2008 12:15:07 AMView My AgentSpace
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Why are you looking at just the city figures? That's obviously where the hybrid has the advantage. Why don't you average them?


lexusis350lexusis350 - 5/15/2008 2:45:55 AM
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Combined totals:

A8L W12 - 18 mpg
A8L - 19 mpg
750Li - 19 mpg
S550 - 17 mpg
S600 - 14 mpg
LSh - 21 mpg

Even though the LSh only gets 2 mpg better, it still goes to show you that Lexus hybrids are more for horsepower rather than fuel economy, just like I've been saying since the GSh came out. Besides, 2 mpg more is still 2 mpg more. You're saving money on gas with the LSh, even though it's a little slower than the rest. It has plenty of power anyway.


ShredmoShredmo - 5/15/2008 10:08:01 AM
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For the price of this hybrid, 2 MPG gain is not a reasonable substitute for performance.


CLK63BlackSeriesCLK63BlackSeries - 5/16/2008 2:51:19 PMView My AgentSpace
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2mpg does not make up for the greater amount of money you'd be paying for the LS compared to the competitors.


ricerricer - 5/14/2008 6:53:20 PM
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yeah who gives an F

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xlr8xlr8 - 5/14/2008 7:01:51 PM
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this whole carbon footprint sh*t is complete garbage. The Mt. st. Helens volcano put out more co2 in one explosion then all of mans combined c02 output ever. BAN VOLCANOS!!!

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lexusis350lexusis350 - 5/14/2008 7:06:52 PM
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And the world got over it. Another good point against global warming.


1995e341995e34 - 5/14/2008 7:09:28 PM
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i don't know of any means to prevent volcanic erruptions. a ban would be quite difficult to enforce.


simmonsdpsimmonsdp - 5/15/2008 7:07:35 AM
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Yes, great point xlr8...........


randy33randy33 - 5/15/2008 11:32:44 PM
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Agreed. Check this out:

http://tinyurl.com/39gnm4


lexusrox123lexusrox123 - 5/17/2008 8:16:27 PM
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and there have been many, many more volcano eruptions, like mt. etna, vesuvius, etc.


EL34EL34 - 5/14/2008 7:24:05 PM
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I'll bet you a log wagon has already hit Paul's ToyLex while he was tryin' to use the self-parking doodad.

What a shame and a total loss :-/

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StickShiftCamryStickShiftCamry - 5/14/2008 11:11:50 PM
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People put Toyota badges on their modified RWD Lex's u idiot. I had a '93 Lex ES 300 manual trans (Super Rare) on which I put Toyota Windom badge on u idiot.


ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 5/15/2008 1:16:59 AM
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i just LOVE people who are ANTI-BadgeWhores! there's a guy in honolulu running around in an NSX with a Honda logo in place of the original Acura one!




LexSucksLexSucks - 5/15/2008 9:50:03 AM
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The NSX is a Honda NSX in every other country but america. Why do americans think that what they see is everything?

There's is no Acura in Japan, they are all Hondas.


0to600to60 - 5/14/2008 7:31:34 PM
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You guys need to create a site, maybe name it Toyotabash, and on their you can on a daily basis post articles that bash lexus. That way you wont have to flood this site with it. I would also recommend bmwspies.

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0to600to60 - 5/15/2008 11:47:10 AM
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Oh lookahere! you finally learned how to click "reply to this comment!" Maybe next week you will finally learn how to tie your shoes!


CLK63BlackSeriesCLK63BlackSeries - 5/15/2008 3:47:21 AMView My AgentSpace
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How is this automotive news?

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randy33randy33 - 5/15/2008 11:26:52 PM
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How isn't it?


truckmentruckmen - 5/15/2008 4:26:46 AM
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Give sir Paul a break! Even though this car eats as much gas as an H-3. If I had Pauls money I would finance one of those scientists whose video's get putted on Youtube for showing how to get free energy.

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A8GermanA8German - 5/15/2008 1:39:46 PM
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This whole Hybrid craze makes no sense.

With the emergance of the Escalade hybrid, I have come to a realization of the extent at which people have lost their minds. With the escalade hybrid coming in 17k over the base escalade, it is easy to see how buying a hybrid is more expensive than paying for gas.
The lexus ls600h is the supreme example of this. Not to mistake me, I believe that the fit, finish and reliability of the LS600h is top notch, but is it worth the money. For the same amount of cash, the Maserati quattro, or top class S600 seems to be equal or superior in those categories.

As far as performance goes, although a hybrid V8 is a great feat, it still does not deliver the performance of a car of that price tag.

With a 2 mpg advantage over other competitors, you will lose money buying the hybrid, but will it make you sleep better at night? no.

Which car won an award for being the most "green"? Not the toyota prius (the acclaimed best hybrid, and a lexus underling), but the S550. Hybrids are built inefficiently and their dependance on plants in many different countries creating small parts that are put together in a main factory, cause for a much higher Carbon whatever, than a beastly MB V8.



Food for though.

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Htay7500Htay7500 - 5/16/2008 9:04:10 AM
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I think we need to get this comment out more.

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ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 5/17/2008 3:21:14 AM
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all the critics are overlooking one KEY POINT.

buyers of this class of car generally DON'T CARE a WHIT about performance. whether it's mpg or 0-60 performance.

it's all about PRESTIGE. and getting the top-of-the-line model. technical sophistication, and PRICE, are far more significant for this class of buyers' BRAGGING RIGHTS.

they DON'T CARE if they'd "save" $20,000 by just getting an LS460L. they may ACTUALLY PREFER paying the bigger bill. that's exactly what SETS THEM APART from the masses (even the monied class).

that the LS600hL is also the MOST TECHNICALLY ADVANCED vehicle in its class, is just ANOTHER plus.



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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 5/17/2008 5:12:02 PMView My AgentSpace
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"that the LS600hL is also the MOST TECHNICALLY ADVANCED vehicle in its class, is just ANOTHER plus."

This is so easily arguable.

Take the Audi A8L W12.

Volkswagen and Audi took years to develop its unique "W" configuration. It is two VR6 engines set at an angle with four camshafts. The W12 also has LED headlamps and taillamps, 20" lightweight wheels, a beverage cooler, a flip-up wood-paneled navigation screen, an MMI operating system with an available rear-seat mounted controller, available massaged, heated and cooled FRONT seats and a full-sized trunk.

You simply can't make a statement like that. Do you have a way to measure technological advancement? And, honestly, is the term "advancement" aptly used here, referring to a vehicle that gets no better fuel economy and no better performance than its gas-powered counterpart?


1995e341995e34 - 5/17/2008 11:33:09 PM
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how could you leave out the aluminum construction of the a8?


ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 5/21/2008 1:56:59 AM
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just about ANYONE can make a 12-cylinder car. toyota itself does, and offers it in the toyota century.

but ONLY LEXUS offers a HYBRID v8 luxury car.

i don't deny other brands also have some 'exclusive' features. but NONE stand out as much as a UNIAUE DRIVETRAIN. and TOTALLY SILENT running. (if only at low speeds)

the green factor doesn't hurt either. in CITY driving, it's advantage over other luxo barges IS considerable.




ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 5/21/2008 2:06:03 AM
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...UNIQUE DRIVETRAIN


A8GermanA8German - 5/17/2008 12:36:50 PM
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That is one of the stupidest comments I have ever heard. Just because people have money, does not mean that they have lost all sense of judgment. Nobody would ever buy a car just because it is more expensive than another.

With your theory, wealthy people would always buy the most expensive car on the market, not worrying about sense or price, but just because they want to flaunt their price tag.

The opposite is actually true. The true wealthy spend money to appear like they have less, and that is the true luxury. This is why brands such as Audi are taking off, because people are shying away from the most pretentious brands, as they know they have money, and don't need the constant reassurance of the public.

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bimmerfan25bimmerfan25 - 5/17/2008 2:16:55 PM
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dude noone is buying the A8. that thing sells less then Jaguar. Besides, Bentley and Rolls Royce have been posting record sales how many years in a row now?


ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 5/21/2008 2:22:19 AM
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you OBVIOUSLY DO NOT understand wealthy people. who, for one, are NOT all alike.

there are indeed some amongst them, who will always choose the VERY BEST, regardless of price. (and 'best' can also be quite variable, according to different scales or values in judgement and evaluation.)

this does not mean, otoh, that there are not ALSO many amongst the truly rich, who ARE frugal. years of study by a pair of sociologists have found that the FAVORITE VEHICLE of american millionaires, is the prosaic ford f-150 TRUCK!




huu76huu76 - 5/17/2008 3:51:12 PM
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That's rather ironic, like how diesels are supposed to cut oil dependence when in fact they increase dependence on imported oil.

I wouldn't be surprised if he had a cow and turned the car away, or at the very least, made a big donation to the WWF or something to make amends.

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OblivObliv - 5/17/2008 6:49:14 PM
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HALP! C02s is keeling our planetz!

lol

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ChicaneShooterChicaneShooter - 5/21/2008 2:31:29 AM
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yeah, tell that to the people in Burma.

and all the americans too, 'inconvenienced' by doughts and wildfires.
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