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Peugeot to present 69MPG diesel-hybrid at Frankfurt
Move over Toyota, Peugeot will unveil a concept version of a new diesel-hybrid powered 308 hatchback at next month’s Frankfurt Motor Show. Until now, most carmakers relied on petrol engines for their hybrid cars but it makes sense to use a diesel as the oil-burners are already more efficient than petrol motors. Peugeot’s new concept combines a diesel engine with an electric motor that’s said to improve fuel efficiency by up to 30% compared with the conventional diesel 308. Read Article



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david989david989 - 8/8/2007 10:57:17 AM
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Toyota is on their 3rd or 4th generation hybrid, they have nothing to worry about especially from Peugeot. French cars are known to be very unreliable and have ugly and boring styling too. Toyota dominates over them.

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dannyboy2dannyboy2 - 8/8/2007 11:24:02 AM
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The reason no carmaker will produce a hydrogen model anytime soon is because most people, including myself, wouldn't have the faintest clue where to fill up.

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budfrogS4budfrogS4 - 8/8/2007 11:21:34 AMView My AgentSpace
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Well considering that this is the first generation of any diesel hybrid I consider it a success. Assuming that it's a 69 ave mpg that's 25% more efficient than the current Prius at 55 ave mpg. The Peugeot also emits 90 g/km compared to 104 g/km of the Prius. So that's a 10% decrease in emmissions. My numbers for the Prius are taken directly off Toyota's website and HybridSynergyDrive website.

Once suppliers start mass producing the parts and more people buy the cars, the production cost of the cars will go down and they'll make money. I'm sure the same thing happened with the Prius when it first came out.

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budfrogS4budfrogS4 - 8/8/2007 11:23:39 AMView My AgentSpace
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And let me know when Toyota releases info on any future generations not actually in preproduction yet.


SpectatorSpectator - 8/9/2007 9:15:19 AM
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Well said budfrogS4.

However you don't need to be too kind and use the window sticker of the Toyota Prius. Use the real world driving numbers from multiple site's that show the Prius at mid 30's in the city and mid 40's on the highway.




SupraNeverBackSupraNeverBack - 8/8/2007 12:25:46 PM
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The up coming non-plug in Prius will have 100+mpg (UK), and the plug-in version will have 4 miles/kWh.

diesel+hybrid = expensive+expensive


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david989david989 - 8/8/2007 2:38:12 PM
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Exactly. The Prius is the future, not this wannabe from some unknown French carmaker that has not contributed anything to the automotive scene.


RupertRupert - 8/8/2007 6:50:38 PMView My AgentSpace
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Unknown...

Of course they are, david.

Of course they are.


RupertRupert - 8/8/2007 6:51:17 PMView My AgentSpace
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Supra:

upcoming?
When?
This Pug is being shown next month, on sale probably next March in Europe.


SpectatorSpectator - 8/9/2007 10:03:02 AM
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I can make up numbers too!!!

The New non-plug in Pruis will make 2000+mpg! Have acually reverse emmisions and transform the smog around major urban areas into pleasant smelling potpourri.

By the by...who is this Peugeot car manufacturer? I have never heard of them before. For you see I have had my head in the sand for the last couple decades. Also who are these Ferrari people I'm hearing about in Italy... and why do they like dancing horses?

You really should stop reading misleading articles such as:

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=109981

which is where I assume you get your information. By their standards the prius here in the US should be close to the 100mpg mark as is. Even the author admidts the numbers are wrong in comparison to real world driving. And for those who think driving in Japan (and lets say Tokyo where most of your cars are) is different than any other major metropolitan city...your are extremly misinfored. So either we are truly getting the shaft from the Japanese and only getting the crappy Prius's here in the US that apparently gets half mpg economy as the Japanese vehicles...or the author has stretched the truth.

I'll follow Ockham's razor on this one.


kurtismackurtismac - 8/10/2007 2:15:05 AM
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David 989 quit posting ure comments on diesels, you do not have a clue..if you don't even know who Peugeot is...Also RICEMASTER..they must have done the maths and feel that it may not be as expensive..man give the automakers who are trying to save some of the black gold a chance sheesh..And where did you get the BS about anything from Europe is under engineered? Are you an idiot? SO american cars are better engineered?? Also diesel engines are that loud these days, i know cos i won one and can't tell when the engine is on half of the time... My word, if you are giving comments at least try to be fair, if you can't be fair then at least try to use some facts..and David avoid all commenting.... you don't have a clue...

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kurtismackurtismac - 8/10/2007 2:21:07 AM
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I'm just amazed how everyone this side of the pond is just so ready and willing to shoot down anything in the diesel form, when y'all should be the last ones commenting..cos i really doubt any of you have ever driven much less owned a modern day turbo diesel....i am willing to bet most of u who have commented have never driven a modern common rail diesel...at least wait until u actually drive one b4 commenting...

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Will_Will_ - 8/10/2007 7:27:35 AM
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Sorry, but if Europe isn't doing it then it's not worthy of our attention stupid Jap fanboys. Diesel has ruled for 100+ years and are way better than dirty hybrids that are slow and don't get better gas mileage than good-looking cars...

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huu76huu76 - 8/11/2007 12:22:58 AM
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Toyota will probably end up building hybrids for Peugeot, just like they do with the 107.

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huu76huu76 - 8/11/2007 12:28:49 AM
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kurti,
I have. VW TDI's are very noticeably louder than gas engines.
The old Jeep Liberty CRD might as well have been a Cummins engine.

You can claim how improved new diesels are all you want, but they're still diesels. Their only real place are in 3/4 ton trucks and up.

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huu76huu76 - 8/11/2007 12:29:20 AM
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CDI's aren't any better than TDI's. Bluetec is just a CDI with some filters attached.

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huu76huu76 - 8/13/2007 12:25:45 AM
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I heard a SMART/STUPID car today, and my god is the diesel loud for a lawnmower. IT's CDI, not Bluetec too. How ppl feel safe merging onto the highway at 0-60 in 19.8sec is beyond me.

A 2003 Prius (MY2004) got 4.3L/100km. So Peugeot is 6 years late. Anyway, the figure shows this car is 20% more efficient, not 30% that diesel usually gets. I would associate that with the highway efficiency of diesel being not fully realized. This car should've been marketed to N.America where we have more highways.

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huu76huu76 - 8/13/2007 12:27:04 AM
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This new Pugeot is pretty good visually, quite sporty looking actually.

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