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Porsche 911 Turbo V Nissan GT-R - Fifth Gear By Senna

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Porsche 911 Turbo V Nissan GT-R - Fifth Gear By Senna

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HSCenterconsole - 9/11/2008 10:34:36 AM

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If I had to choose between the two, I would go with the 911 Turbo. The GT-R is a beast and an amazing value, but I just love the Porsche because it is a timeless car.

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KZ258 - 9/11/2008 4:34:53 PM

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it is what it is. the porsche maybe a "timeless" car as you bias fanboys so love to say, but numbers beats bias all the time

GT-R > 911 turbo

hao420 - 9/12/2008 12:19:40 AM

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GTR rival suppose be Jaguar XJ220(timeless car).....

Agent63 - 9/13/2008 7:22:19 PMView My AgentSpace

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Say we're biased all you want but the fact of the matter is, people who seek the pure driving experience will go with a 911 not a GT-R. In this regard, those numbers don't mean squat. The GT-R is too much like a game whereas the Porsche requires better skills to drive.

I like the GT-R though and certainly respect it. But some cheap typical Nissan plastic bits and an almost artificial experience is what detaches me from the expensive Nissan.

AmazonPrinceIS350 - 9/11/2008 10:56:07 AM

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I don't think the Porsche is timeless, its' only timeless for people who believe it is timeless.

I actually believe this design is running OUT OF TIME it will have to change sooner or later especially when the old people who buy this car start to die off.

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HSCenterconsole - 9/11/2008 12:49:35 PM

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Why so much bitterness AmazonprincesIS350? The 911 is a legend that has been around (same rear engine concept
with the necessary updates and modern features) since the 1960's and has won hundreds of motorsports events.

AmazonPrinceIS350 - 9/11/2008 1:32:59 PM

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Hey HSCenterconsole:

No bitterness here (my job isn't being outsourced nor my home being forclosed thank God) but have you read some of the other coments here?

Many are just getting tired of the same old design. Its like having sex with your wife at first its all great but then you kinda get tired of looking and tasting the same old thing all the time and you want something new & fresh.

abcd - 9/11/2008 3:33:31 PM

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The most famous auto journalist jeremy clarkson placed this legend air-cooled 911 placed on 98th best car in their video - top 100 cars with is not good , but placed newer , water cooled porsche 911 on 2nd place . Rear air-cooled engine porsche concept was in fact derived from vw beatle and vw beatle concept was derived from Tatra cars e.g. tatra T97 .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLFeqRzqQpE

vman1013 - 9/12/2008 6:10:08 PM

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Amazon Prince sounds like MT.

But anyway, I have to agree with those that would buy the GT-R over the Turbo. If you're a lame fanboy and just want a Porsche for the name, don't waste the cash and buy a plain Carrera S. You'll have to spend the difference to keep your girlfriend happy.

No one. I mean no one wants to lose a race (even a harmless light to light race) to a car that costs half what they paid! I don't care what any of you write on this board but all you "enthusiasts" know that winning is all that matters!

kablaam - 9/12/2008 7:24:38 PM

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Yeah, like the scene in the Fast and Furious right?

Are we talking teenie boppers trying to get laid or mature adults?

Lets be real.

B7FAN - 9/11/2008 11:01:50 AM

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THAT WOULD BE A NICE RACE BUT HONESTLY IF I HAD THE CHOICE i WOULD GET A 911 TURBO THATS MY FAVORITE SPORTS CAR SINCE ITS INCEPTION IN THE 90'S

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HSCenterconsole - 9/11/2008 11:22:16 AM

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I belive the Turbo has been around since '74.

B7FAN - 9/12/2008 1:15:13 PM

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useless

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B7FAN - 9/12/2008 1:16:40 PM

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the vette is a good car but a porsche will smack the hell out of a vette.

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t_bone - 9/13/2008 1:54:42 AM

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If I couldn't have the Porsche, I'd rather have the Corvette than the GTR.

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FerrarisR4me - 9/11/2008 11:49:26 AM

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I'm not really partial to the 911T, but I don't know how you could say its running out of time. It should have run out of time 30 years ago but its still going. Its a great car and it'll most probably be around for another 30 years. But for the money, either a Z06, Aston Martin, or Maserati over either of these.

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E36er - 9/11/2008 12:20:51 PM

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I used to be a huuuuge 911 fan but let's face it, the concept of the 911 is dated. The 911 is really an advanced version of the original VW bug. Porsche has a done a great job evolving this beast but it still doesn't have a 50-50 balance. Sure, having a heavy tail is great for breaking but it's still likes to fish tail. The 911 Turbo simply looks and feels old next to the GT-R. This gap will only increase as time goes on. My nod goes to the GT-R.

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AdHominem - 9/11/2008 1:06:28 PM

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The 911 form factor is also excellent at laying down power out of corners. Do watch any racing? The "dated" 911 concept wins races every weekend. Great braking and great acceleration makes for a compelling package, it simply takes a special skill set to drive properly.

GTR35 - 9/11/2008 12:29:56 PMView My AgentSpace

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When it comes to performance the GTR has proven itself over and over again against the 911T. Sure, maybe the Porsche has one more cow's worth of leather wrapped inside and makes it look a bit fancier, but Nissan's technology is at the time one step ahead of the German's king. I like the 911, but I don't love the looks of it because it has reached its time for change.
Since the early 90s when the R33 was introduced, Nissan and Porsche have jabbed back and forth to see who would achieve the best numbers (and yes, that includes times at the Ring), and although in the past six years or so Porsche has had the throne, the last few months have been war between the two, and finally we have a new king.
Godzilla came back, destroyed everything in its past, redefined the words 'Super Car' and made exotics look like everyday rich grandmother cruisers.

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pcar4evr - 9/11/2008 3:48:21 PM

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I really can't see how anyone who like the past Nissan supercars can be so in love with this version. It's a 4000 lb luxury barge with a great engine and transmission. I'd call it a middle class grandmothers cruiser

bigmotov - 9/11/2008 1:15:05 PM

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It is time for Porsche to make some changes. It's still a great vehicle, but it's just not THAT great anymore. They haven't had a reason in the past to really keep pushing the envelope, so I understand the minor changes. However, take a look at this segment now...the GT-R, R8, Aston, Maserati...etc. Don't sit back and watch everyone pass you by like GM did. I know you have the name, cache, blah blah, but the market will change and so will your customers...and they don't care. They are speed and technology driven.

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hasterterber - 9/11/2008 1:22:50 PM

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the guy in the beggining didnt say half the cost, or half the price he said "half the value" and well, i kind of agree with him. in spite of the GTR being well faster in tests and comparisons i still prefer the 911 cause its just damn beautiful

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PerformanceGuy - 9/11/2008 1:56:30 PM

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If I had to choose between the two, I would take the GT-R in a heart beat. It just outshines the other cars in the class!!

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TurboSpyder - 9/11/2008 2:53:35 PMView My AgentSpace

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I believe the 911 has won more races than any other car - and it's still winning races - unlike some of its competitors.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_in_ALMS#GT2_standings


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E36er - 9/11/2008 3:00:57 PM

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This will change in the coming years.

TurboSpyder - 9/11/2008 3:06:08 PMView My AgentSpace

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I'd be willing to bet that Nissan will not enter the GT-R in any *major* international races.

abcd - 9/11/2008 3:12:33 PM

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TurboSpyder , keep in mind that porsche has won many races with their MID-engine racing cars not that production based REAR-engine cars .

HSCenterconsole - 9/11/2008 3:17:12 PM

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abcd, they have won with both mid-engine prototypes AND 911 derived racers. Do you even watch motorsports?

abcd - 9/11/2008 3:40:36 PM

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Did I say that they won only with mid-engine cars ? And how many this *major* races they won with production derived rear-engine cars ? I watch motorsport , though not regularly , some races are simply boring .

TurboSpyder - 9/11/2008 3:44:40 PMView My AgentSpace

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abcd, you couldn't be more wrong. 911 based racing cars (rear-engined) have won more races than any other car.


The current Porsche GT3 RS is rear-engined

http://www.porsche.com/usa/models/911/911-gt3-rs/featuresandspecs/


and the A.C.O regulations for the Le Mans GT2 Class state:

[Quote]

ART. 5 - ENGINE
5.1 - Type and location :
5.1.1 - The original engine shall maintain its original location, orientation and position. However it can be :
lowered in compliance with the article 5.1.2. below ;
moved backward (*) provided the chassis and the
dimensions of the cockpit are not modified ;
(*) This modification is permitted only for cars produced in more than 2500 units (with identical external general lines of the bodywork) in twelve consecutive months. It must be approved by the ACO (Homologation form).

5.1.2 - It is permitted to change the engine mountings but
without modifying :
their position excepted when the engine can be moved
backward (see Art. 5.1.1. above) ;
the main structure which may be reinforced in the mountings area.
[/Quote]

http://www.lemans.org/sport/sport/reglements/ressources/auto_2008/cdc_reglement_lmgt2_fr_gb_2008.pdf

abcd - 9/11/2008 3:57:18 PM

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Did I say that they don`t won ?

"have won more races than any other car"

I`m curious how many races has won ferrari , or let say cars with Lola chassis .

TurboSpyder - 9/12/2008 1:07:12 PMView My AgentSpace

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"I`m curious how many races has won ferrari , or let say cars with Lola chassis."


I'm talking about production-based race cars. 911-based race cars have won more races than any other production-based race cars.

abcd - 9/12/2008 4:23:55 PM

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I`m also talking about production-based cars , in your link earlier from wikipedia there is also production-based ferrari f430 and other cars , not only 911 .

From where you have that information that 911-based race cars have won more races than any other production-based race cars , or did you calculate this yourself ?

TurboSpyder - 9/13/2008 5:30:19 PMView My AgentSpace

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I've heard more than once that the 911 is the winning-est production-based race car and it makes sense since the 911 has been around since 1964 and winning races for decades.



"The Porsche 935 was introduced in 1976, as the racing version of the Porsche 930 (911 Turbo), prepared for FIA-Group 5 rules (similar to the Porsche 934 which was built for the more standard Group 4)."

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"Through 1984 the 935 won over 150 races worldwide, including more than 20 class wins. It scored outright wins in the 24 Hours of Le Mans, the 24 Hours of Daytona and the 12 Hours of Sebring. It was also undefeated in the German DRM between 1977 and 1979, posted victories in the IMSA GTX class, and won many races on the famous Nürburgring Nordschleife, including the 1000km Nürburgring. The 935 also took Porsche to victory in the FIA World Championship for Makes each year from 1976 to 1979."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Porsche_935#Success

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And if you're really industrious

List of all 24 Hours of Le Mans races and results"

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:24_Hours_of_Le_Mans_races

TurboSpyder - 9/11/2008 3:15:33 PMView My AgentSpace

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The newest 911 Turbo will reportedly have 500hp and the fancy twin-clutch PDK transmission.

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pcar4evr - 9/11/2008 3:44:17 PM

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there's a video already posted with a GTR racing the new '09 997 C2S (non-turbo) equipped with the DFI engine and PDK. The non-turbo Porsche easily out accelerated the GTR. Can only imagine how fast the new turbo will be in '10.

abcd - 9/11/2008 3:51:20 PM

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Porsche dual-clutch gearbox is good example how racing cars are sometimes disconnected from production cars . Porsche did it in 80`s for racing cars but quickly abandoned . But for production sports cars ( and no sports ) dual-clutch is very good .

F1_Driver - 9/11/2008 6:31:11 PM

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pcar4evr, you have that link? I'd like to see that video for myself.

steve27t - 9/11/2008 5:24:16 PM

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Senna made comment on the gearchange in the Nissan being better than the Porsche, with new dual clutch transmission you can easily see the Porsche clawing back the 1/2 second it gave up to the Nissan in this test.

I parked next to a GT-R at the supermarket last week, Black one, I have to say its not a good looking car. Whatever it road going qualities it styling looks a bit comic book.

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steve27t - 9/11/2008 5:25:49 PM

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Whatever it's road going qualities it's syling looks a bit comic book.

Will have to read before clicking the submit button

TurboSpyder - 9/12/2008 1:01:58 PMView My AgentSpace

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Porsche turbo's lap time 1:45.33s (3:15 mark of the video)
GT-R's lap time 1:45.08s (5:15 mark of the video)

That's a difference of 1/4 of a second not 1/2s. With the PDK alone I bet the current 911T could match the GT-R.

Type707 - 9/11/2008 5:46:41 PM

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The price on the GTR is way to expensive and the car itself is over-rated. Down here in Hawaii I heard at New City Nissan, only two people are allowed to drive that thing: One Sales and One tech. The rest of the commoners are prohibited from driving it.

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IS3andME - 9/11/2008 7:36:15 PM

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I remeber reading that the 911 Turbo with PDK tranny is faster than the manual, but all the mags and videos show the manual going against the GT-R , wouldn't it be a better test for the 911 Turbo that is PDK equip to go against the GT-R?

But it seems like the days of a Rear engined 911 Turbo are numbered. They should have gone with the mid engined layout that was rumored for it , or do it like their mid engined 911 GT-1

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TurboSpyder - 9/12/2008 1:08:49 PMView My AgentSpace

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_in_ALMS#GT2_standings

sector - 9/12/2008 1:20:16 PM

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GTR beats on the 911 in so many ways it's not even funny anymore.

If you're a badge whore go for the Porsche :)

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pcar4evr - 9/12/2008 1:57:52 PM

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sorry, the guys that own both don't agree

ThierryHenry14 - 9/12/2008 5:25:35 PM

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why are there so many 911 haters out there? I think its a working formula, so porsche does not want to change it. I mean, if it didnt work, I don't think that they would become one of the most profitable auto company presently.

Either way, I respect the GT-R, but I go with the 911 Turbo.

Anyways, theres something with a Porsche that doesnt get old, and for those who owns one, they know, and for those who don't, they havent a clue about that feeling. Call it being a badgewhore, call it being bias, call it being a fanboi, but until you own a 911, you will not know the feeling...

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kablaam - 9/12/2008 7:29:56 PM

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If you're talking best bargain, GTR, no contest.

If you are talking best vehicle,
911 all the way.

Sit and drive both vehicles back to back and you will feel and see the difference.

If you can't, you're a Nissan Fan boy.

Same thing occured with the G35 and 330i when the G first came out, yeah it was faster(before the N54), and cheaper, but do you honestly believe the G was a better all around car? Come on.



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kablaam - 9/12/2008 7:40:39 PM

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1/2 a second when you have a computer controlled DCT vs a manual transmission?

Lets have a fair comparison, 2 similarly configured vehicles.

The driver even said the shifts are faster then he could ever do with a manual, not to mention it's a similar tranny to what he races with.

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E36er - 9/13/2008 1:54:03 AM

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In theory the 911 Turbo already has an advantage in that it's not lugging around enough space for 4 adults. The rear grocery ledge in the 911 does not count as seats. Plus, the GT-R has a full trunk --> The 911 has the carry on size trunk under the hood. Even with all this, the GT-R still manages to beat the the 911 Turbo. The PDK challenge would be the better comparison but I bet the lack of weight balance will still throw the 911 off. I don't hate the 911, its just just a dated idea of a sports car. Just wait till the GT-R V-Spec comes out, it will leave the PDK 911 Turbo in its wake. Love for 911 for its style, love the GT-R for its performance. Its your choice.

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TurboSpyder - 9/13/2008 5:33:30 PMView My AgentSpace

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Love the 911 for its race results, love the GT-R for it's bargain price.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:24_Hours_of_Le_Mans_races

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