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Porsche's 997 GT3 RS Chases Down Nissan's GT-R On The Ring

Agent00R submitted on 10/27/2009 Official Bell & Ross Timestamp: 3:36:39 PM

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Eager to obtain the best time on its turf, it seems that Porsche has been working hard to best the Nissan GT-R at the Nurburgring.

The time to beat is 7:26.70.

Although they have yet to reach that point and juncture, the latest lap from a Porsche was the 997 GT3 RS that achieved a time of 7:33. Mind you this is six seconds faster than Porsche's own flagship, the Turbo. That is an eternity in terms of track times.

Congrats to Porsche for making yet another step. When will they surpass the GT-R?

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Porsche's 997 GT3 RS Chases Down Nissan's GT-R On The Ring

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It's sad to say but Porsche can not beat a GTR around a track no matter what because the rear weight biased completely messes up the car's balance. The only Porsche that can beat a GTR is a race car spec GT3 Cup car. The Porsche does have nicer breaks though and will probably have a higher resale value and last longer because their NORMAL 6 speed manual gearbox is made out of the strongest stuff on the planet. The porsche also gives more tactile driver feedback at 9/10ths then becomes a helicopter at 10/10ths and will spin when the GTR's robotic awd supercomputers adjust everything and pull away. Alas....To beat a GTR you need Ferrari 458 Italia money TO HAVE A PROPER MID ENGINE and 300KG of down force with a lighter aluminum monocoque chassis and superior ceramic brakes and a zoomy e-diff vectoring torque left to right even faster then the GTR can manage with a quicker 7 speed gearbox that only takes 10 milliseconds.to swap cogs

"I ONLY CARE ABOUT THE FERRARI'S"
— pennfootball (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 3:58:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3

FYI, the plural of Ferrari does not require an apostrophe. It's Ferraris, not "Ferrari's..."
— 204E60 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 4:17:59 PM | | Votes: -2

What's the GT2's official time?

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/great_drives/0903_2009_nissan_gtr_vs_2009_porsche_911_gt2_nurburgring/final_scores.html
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 5:33:04 PM | | Votes: -2

I would really like to know car would come first after 10 laps...
I mean, the GTR, with all that weight, it must have an impact on fuel cunsumption, tyres and brakes wear ?

If it was a real race, not a single lap, what car will ultimately win, the 911 Turbo or the GTR ?
— MSP6 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 6:13:35 PM | | Votes: 0

It's so funny how one claim about one car can make people go crazy.
— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 11:05:59 PM | | Votes: 6

GT-R will be the victor wether it's a short race, long race, short lap long lap, it's been proven over and over and over by various mags. 911 is flawed! Do some search before commenting. The whole Porsche family has been taken down by ONE porky Nissan. Yes that includes the 400K Carrera too.
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 11:52:58 PM | | Votes: -1

the more articles i read, the more i see a mix of gt2 and gtr BOTH beating each other.
— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 12:13:48 AM | | Votes: 1

"911 is flawed! Do some search before commenting."

Yes, badgewhore. Do some research into how many major international races 911-based race cars have won over the last thirty years. Here are some of the 911's latest wins:

24 Hours of Le Mans wins

1999 - Porsche (Manthey Racing) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-R.

2000 - Porsche (Team Taisan Advan) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-R.

2001 - Porsche (Seikel Motorsport) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-RS.

2002 - Porsche (The Racer's Group) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-RS.

2003 - Porsche (Alex Job Racing - Petersen Motorsports) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-RS.

2004 - Porsche (White Lightning Racing) wins the GT category with a 911 GT3-RS.

2005 - Porsche (Alex Job Racing - BAM! Motorsport) wins the (renamed) GT2 category with a 911 GT3-RSR.

2007 - Porsche (IMSA Performance Matmut) wins the GT2 category with a 911 GT3-RSR.

---

American Le Mans Series class wins

2000 - Porsche 911 GT3-R wins GT class

2002 - Porsche 911 GT3-RS wins GT class

2003 - Porsche 911 GT3-RS wins GT class

2004 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR wins GT class

2005 - Porsche 911 GT3-RSR wins (renamed) GT2 class

2008 - Porsche 997 GT3-RSR wins GT2 class

Now please list the GT-R's (any generation) major INTERNATIONAL race wins, badgewhore...
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 12:16:10 AM | | Votes: 3

Whore, according to what ? I asked a question, you replied with "facts".. please post your sources.

Never trust a whore.

— MSP6 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 12:18:39 AM | | Votes: 0

Any whore has more experience and know more than YOU. You're lazy and don't have the capability to search so you continue to sound like a broken record. Newbies all ask the same dumb questions everyone already known for years. But you're lucky here as autopspies tolerate newbees. But what's really sad about your particular situation is you actually defend your won ignorance by trying to sound smart. LOL
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 11:16:38 AM | | Votes: -1

TurboSpyder

GT-R was so good it was banned from the tracks by the euros almost 20yrs ago. I believe we all already told you that many times here. Todays GT-R continues that asswhooping tradition and the crybabies are out in force again. Please pass this facts to MSP6, he ain't all together.
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 11:23:55 AM | | Votes: -4

"GT-R was so good it was banned from the tracks by the euros almost 20yrs ago."

Who told you that - the voices in your head?
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 12:05:13 PM | | Votes: 4

the carrera gt beat the gt-r on the ring though. hell eitherway it doesnt matter. its a more desirable car in all aspects. thats why people get hyper cars. the gt-r is not a hyper car. it's a fast sports car made by an economy brand. i would never pay that much for a cgt but i would also never spend that much on a nissan. my 300zx will run close with the gt0r for a fraction of the price.
— 1990300zxTT (View Profile)

Posted on 10/29/2009 4:49:57 AM | | Votes: 1

Although race cars have nothing in common with production cars, here they are anyways:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_Skyline_GT-R#Motorsport

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_GT-R#Motorsport
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/30/2009 12:43:49 AM | | Votes: 1

Flame bait article!
— kpaxx (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 4:00:23 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7

Oh yea the Corvette ZR1 will spank the Nippon/Nissan GTR too and the hopped up Porsche/bug
— pennfootball (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 4:01:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0

So why is there a picture of an SUV associated with this posting??
— 204E60 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 4:17:00 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2

fixxed
— Agent00R (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 9:56:59 AM | | Votes: 1

It doesn't matter if the Porsche beats the GT-R or not. The GT3, 911 Turbo, GT2 still have incredibly fast times on the ring. They're all great cars it's just certain cars are built better for the track. No big deal life moves on. :) that's as neutral as I can put it without being biased towards any cars on this elite list of ring monsters.
— Agent63 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 4:21:08 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

I'm just curious, but has anybody other then Nissan ever recorded a 7:26 for a GTR. Not to bring up all the old issues, but there seems to be far more GTR 'ring numbers higher than 7:26 published and very few (other than that famous Nissan claim) at the 7:26 time.
— pcar4evr (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 5:04:20 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

"I'm just curious, but has anybody other then Nissan ever recorded a 7:26 for a GTR?"

No.
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 5:34:29 PM | | Votes: 2

I too think it was a lightweight version, without the sound system, airbags and rear seats. Also probably without the catalyst..

No way it was street legal.
— MSP6 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 7:17:05 PM | | Votes: 5

Stop being such a sore loser.

Even if true....

Sound system = 20lbs
air bags = 20lb
Rear seats = 15lbs
Cat = 25lb

How is 80lbs going to make a difference when the much much lighter Porsche is FLAWED? The 911 turbo has more power too and it still lost. Get over it! You starting to sound like EL34.
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 11:59:59 PM | | Votes: 1

See above, dumbkopf.
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 12:18:54 AM | | Votes: -4

Whore, just by its weight, the GTR is flawed.
Where did you get your weight figures ? in your whore head I guess ?

It's not because you ask 20 bucks for a ... that everyting weights about 20 ....

— MSP6 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 12:26:56 AM | | Votes: 0

You're own naiveness continues to make you look like a super newbee. Have you ever taken out most japanese vehicles backseat? It's just a huge piece of foam with leather or cloth over stapled on that anyone can easily pick one up with just 2 fingers. Cat? Ever taken one out and gut it? It ain't all that heavy. Sound system? Same thing, unless GT-R came with 15" heavy subs in a beefy box and 500watt oldschool amps. Even then, GT-R is superiorly balanced, tuned and designed to outdo any Porsche. Nissan has had many years to ensure that was the case and all the mags confirmed it's superiority. Porsche continues to refine a FLAWED design, they've done a fabulous job, but a superior car has shamed it.

Before asking anymore dumb questions or asking people to show some proof, try proving that your accusation is even remotely close to the truth first. How do you figure GT-R was catless? Ever watched the video? Was the car noisier than a 911? Does it have that familiar catless sound? Ever consider that?
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 11:41:56 AM | | Votes: -3

I never said GT-R being over weight was a good thing, but the fact that an over weight GT-R was able to whoop all the lighter 911 gt2/gt3s and more powerful 911tt with over 30yrs of refinement proves my point at how FLAWED the Porsche is.
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 11:47:48 AM | | Votes: -2

I think the GTR is an incredible car, but I still think the 'Ring times are inflated. Its really brilliant marketing...
— golfer38 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 4:28:54 PM | | Votes: 2

I don't think they can beat the GT-R and this one is not even the V-Spec version. Porsche makes great sport cars, but I think it is time to admit that the GT-R is the better performer. It doesn't make Porsche any less great, there is only room for one at the top. Good job Porsche, good job Nissan!
— PerformanceGuy (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 5:14:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

Isn't the V-Spec out already? Why haven't they done a lap around the ring yet?
— recca7 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 7:20:40 PM | | Votes: 0

"Isn't the V-Spec out already? Why haven't they done a lap around the ring yet?"

They have...but have never publicly announced any official lap times...I wonder why!?!

— Need4Speed (View Profile)

Posted on 10/27/2009 8:05:01 PM | | Votes: 0

The reason it isn't posted is Nissan didn't see the need to continue sholving it down Porsches throat. When the base GT-R already beat every production Porsche, why? Nissan is a passionate ass whooper.
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 12:04:03 AM | | Votes: 0

Porsches win sanctioned international races every year and have going back decades. Nissan ... not so much.
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 12:21:36 AM | | Votes: -1

And btw:

"For me, the result was a forgone conclusion. The moment you feel how physically fast the GT2 is, you can't believe that the GT-R could possibly beat it. Of course, the GT-R doesn't acknowledge the usual formalities of science and somehow got itself to within seven seconds of the Porsche's time. The final scores are: Porsche, 7 minutes, 49 seconds; Nissan, 7 minutes, 56 seconds. There is no doubt in my mind that the Porsche will go substantially faster, given a drier track and some time to build confidence on the really hairy parts of the circuit."

http://www.automobilemag.com/features/great_drives/0903_2009_nissan_gtr_vs_2009_porsche_911_gt2_nurburgring/final_scores.html
— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 12:23:45 AM | | Votes: -1

Actually I think the Porsche times would be better if they didn't have a 60+ yr old driver at the helm. I think that is the key, get another test driver, and chances are the Turbo and GT2 & GT3 times would drop considerably.
— Inline6 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 1:41:27 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1

Act Two is coming:

2010 911 Turbo v. GTR - someone somewhere soon will be showing the new turbo taking on (and likely beating) the GTR.
— pcar4evr (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 7:06:24 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

Even if it was possible that the updated 911 could beat or match the GT-R, an updated GT-R isn't far behind. Porsche will always play catchup from here on.
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 11:50:55 AM | | Votes: -3

How many of you idiots debating this are going to the track? (and can actually make the car do these supposed times)

Bottom line 99.9% of the people debating or posting here can't afford either car. Get a life.
— phantom330 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 1:02:56 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1

There's nothing wrong with a little automotive debate. Cars are our passion, please get off your soapbox...
— golfer38 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/28/2009 4:25:47 PM | | Votes: 3

Two cars on the same day, driven by the same driver:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jrd8VzfZzN8&feature=rec-HM-fresh+div
— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 10/29/2009 6:17:46 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

Nissans Godzilla will never be beaten by Porsche. No matter how many guns and weapons porsche throws at Nissan...price, performance can never be defeated.
— Type707 (View Profile)

Posted on 10/30/2009 4:40:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2

According to Sportauto Supertests, the Nissan GTR ran it in 7:38 and the Porsche 911 GT3 997MkII ran it in 7:40.

What's more disturbing than the fanboys on forums is that Porsche tested the GTR and claimed that a faster time than 7:54 was not possible.
— Epik (View Profile)

Posted on 10/31/2009 11:09:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2

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