Revealed: Audi's 450 HP RS5 Steps Out Of The Shadow With A Twin Turbo V8

Did you read? It says it will start at around 48,000 pounds. That's cheaper than the 51,000 pound M3 coupe.

— audispy (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 12:04:54 PM | | Votes: 1   

And if I'm not mistaking, the 0-60 is also faster than official BMW numbers. Official not times tested by magazines.

— audispy (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 12:09:59 PM | | Votes: 1   

"Did you read? It says it will start at around 48,000 pounds. That's cheaper than the 51,000 pound M3 coupe."

- Did that number come from Audi? Also, US pricing is always different from UK pricing.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 12:19:37 PM | | Votes: -1   

"Did you read? It says it will start at around 48,000 pounds. That's cheaper than the 51,000 pound M3 coupe."

- Did that number come from Audi? Also, US pricing is always different from UK pricing. So you cant really use those numbers for US shoppers. And how much is 51,000 pounds converted of to US dollars? Its around $81,000. M3 coupes and sedans do not cost $81,000 here in the US.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 12:23:28 PM | | Votes: -2   

I realize the UK number's don't directly transfer to US numbers, but the fact that it's cheaper there suggests it will be cheaper in the US as well. Specially since Audi has been reducing it's prices to more reflected BMW and MB. Starting with the S4.

— audispy (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 2:59:49 PM | | Votes: 1   

The S4 is still the most expensive car in its class. Perhaps justifiably so but still the most expensive none-the-less.

I’ve been an Audi fan since 1998. It’s just that they haven’t really produced anything that gets me excited that cost less than $80k in about 7 years tt not withstanding (The tt is over due for a redesign though). The Current A5/S5 doesn’t do it for me (too chunky looking). The Current A4’s are too slow, expensive and generic looking. The S4 is faster than the A4 but still suffers from the A4’s generic looking design.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 3:23:21 PM | | Votes: 2   

Lexsucks- In the US the Audi is actually the better value. Here is the proof:

2010 BMW 335xi $56,100 with Premium Sport and Cold weather Pkgs, Nav, shades, comfort key, IPOD adaptor, Sirius, Alarm, Park Distance Control.

2010 Audi S4 $53,900 with Prestige Pkg and shades. You actually get alot more equipment with the S4 over the 335 as well. Include the $740 for maintenance from Audi and you are at $54,640 for a bigger, faster and much more luxurious car.

Clearly the S4 is the better buy! I havent even started to discuss fit and finish, interior quality, safety ratings... etc.

— S4fanatic (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 5:29:06 PM | | Votes: 0   

I didn't realize that the 335xi was up in the $56s. But I do think that you are comparing the price of a fully loaded BMW against a lightly loaded S4. Add the twin-clutch transmission, NAV, Active ride control, And the S4 will hit $60K. And also, the BMW offer free maintenance for the first 4 years 50k miles. Audi doesn't.

Now getting back to the S4. The S4 has more features than the 335xi and is the better car IMO. It's just that the S4 looks a little dull for the type of vehicle it is.

The S4 was supposed to be my next car but when I saw that It looked exacly like an A4 S-Line I ran away from it.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 6:05:46 PM | | Votes: 2   

The Prestige Pkg on the S4 includes NAV and this is with the Dual clutch Tranny. As far as the active ride control the BMW doesnt have anything even close to the Audi Drive Select so I didnt put it on there. If you read my post again I included the $740 for Audi Maintenance to compete with the BMW maintenance being included.

Whether or not you like the styling of the S4 is irrelevant to the better value. I think the S4 is a MUCH better looking car than the 335 or than the M3 for that sake.

The bottom line is that the pricing of the S4 is lower than the 335.

— S4fanatic (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 6:25:46 PM | | Votes: 2   

Talk about bias. S4, lets try and attempt to be objective when throwing figures around.

An S4 with every option (except Audi drive select) costs above 60k. Just did it on their website. You have to tick just about every box on the 335xi to get it above 60k. I don't see a price advantage.

Much more luxurious? More features? Really?. They both have almost completely comparable features. Please clarify.

Looks - again, your opinion. I think they are both great looking cars, and most agree. And performance/fun-to-drive? Again, the 335i has a near perfect reputation in that class.

— henbmw (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 7:15:04 PM | | Votes: 5   

henbmw- so you went to the website and checked on the following options to get the S4 over $60k- Adaptive Cruise (not on a BMW)- sport differential (not on a BMW)- Driver assist pkg (not on a BMW)

And you accuse me of "throwing" figures around? I think you need to actualy research what are in the packages like I did and compare apples to apples.

As far as luxury, when you sit in both and feel the quality of the materials used in both you will notice the difference. The Audi has a better interior quality and better layout. Exterior wise look at the tail lights on any 3 series, they dont even line up correctly. Pop the hood and see if the underside is finished. Open the doors and notice the hooks screwed into the doors to keep the from flying open in an impact. I can go on and on.

Features wise: The S4 has the following advantages to the 335xi- 3D mapping and better voice commands- split fold down rear seats- Full IPOD interface into the MMI system not just an input jack- aluminum suspension (BMW uses steel on the xi models)- lower ride height (BMW raises the ride height by 10mm on their xi models)- Back up camera- LED lighting in front and tailight lighting for 2010- etc.

Here are just a few examples of why the S4 is clearly a better value

— S4fanatic (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 7:40:11 PM | | Votes: -1   

S4 fanatic - I driven both cars & will admit that the S4 is a good value. Do I think it is a better car than the 335xi? Not to me. The handling of the BMW is tighter, unless you get the adaptive drive on the Audi. If not, the BMW is tighter and feels more in unison with the driver. The Aud, without the enhanced drive, still has a numb nose heavy feeling.

From a performance area it is a dead heat. The last comparison with Car & Driver had both at 4.9 seconds to 60. With the Audi quicker to 120 mph from a standstill, but the BMW faster when rolling. The BMW also outhandled the Audi, even with the upgrade drive system on the Audi. You mention the $740 for Maintenance, but that is just schedule maintenance & includes only Oil Services. It doesnt include the Brake pads & rotors, wiper blades, air filter replacements, & Inspections.

Inside the Audi is layed out pretty nice. It still has alot of plastics inside that look alot less nice than the BMW. The Nav screens, both have 3-d mapping.

Did you even actually look at both cars or just make judgements based on what you read?

— BMW4me4ever (View Profile)

Posted on 9/29/2009 11:05:09 AM | | Votes: 1   

BMW4me- Yes I have driven both cars. I disagree with the handling feel you experienced with the 335xi. I would agree the 335 has that feel but it is lost in my opinion with the x drive. I think the S4 even without the Audi Drive Select has a tighter feel than the xi bimmer. The "nose heavy" days of the A4 and S4 have been dramatically improved with the new platform.

The $740 maintenance DOES include the inspections. You are correct that it does not include the brake pads or wiper blades like the BMW maintenance does.

The S4 is a much bigger car so the fact that the performance numbers are similar is impressive. And when I refer to bigger it is because I have spent time in both cars not just because it is 3" wider and 5" longer on paper. It actually has a very usable back seat for adults and a more comfortable width in the drivers area.

— S4fanatic (View Profile)

Posted on 9/29/2009 11:49:11 AM | | Votes: 0   

people who buy rs models dont care about the price fool. people still bought the rs4. same shit! also audis interiors are far superior than bmws. audis are also safer than bmw's. by the way the rs5 looks more slick and more handsome than the m3. the motor on the rs5 will sound much more aggressive than the m3 as well, if you wanna compare v8 to v8..

— Lexurious (View Profile)

Posted on 9/29/2009 3:58:45 PM | | Votes: 0   

A $50 Timex watch has more features than a $5000 Rolex. Does this mean the Rolex is rubbish? And the timex glows in the dark so it looks more visually appealing to those who don't know any better.

— JustaCar (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 1:21:51 PM | | Votes: 7   

"A $50 Timex watch has more features than a $5000 Rolex. Does this mean the Rolex is rubbish? And the timex glows in the dark so it looks more visually appealing to those who don't know any better."

- Rolex/Timex? I’m talking about the same brand AUDI. Not 2 different brands (like your analogy).

Your analogy doesn't apply to what I said. Nice try.

What I was saying was that the past AUDI "RS" models differentiated themselves from the regular versions with extended wheel arches/Wider tracks, etc... The past AUDI RS models looked the part. This one doesn't. This one looks like an A5 S-Line. It's just "Another increasingly dull Audi offering" like someone commented in the article.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 2:30:11 PM | | Votes: -1   

"Your analogy doesn't apply to what I said. Nice try."

What about your "Bang for the buck" comment at the top of this thread? It's your own opinion and it's obviously biased. Please stop trying to be the authority on Audis when you are obviously biased against them.

— JustaCar (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 2:48:03 PM | | Votes: 4   

"What about your "Bang for the buck" comment at the top of this thread? It's your own opinion and it's obviously biased. Please stop trying to be the authority on Audis when you are obviously biased against them."

- What about it? What does that have to do with the point that I just made above. The car pictured doesn't continue the tradition that AUDI has set with all of THIER past "RS" models. You don't have to be biased or an expert to see that.

As for my Bang-for-the-buck comment. I'll stand by it until I'm proven wrong. You have to always pay more for an Audi to get equivalent performance. I'm not biased against Audi. I used to own one. It's just that I'm able to see when they are rolling out dull looking vehicles and attempting to pass them off as "RS" models. Like now. But for some reason I feel that this will not be the actual "RS" model. If so? Then Audi is hurting.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 3:01:39 PM | | Votes: -1   

I'm getting deboosted but not a single counterpoint. LOL!!

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 3:13:49 PM | | Votes: 2   

LexSucks - here goes a counter point, this is obviously not an "RS". yes it has the "RS" front facia and wheels but this is still a test mule like we've been seeing for some time now.

— 1dott8 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 3:56:23 PM | | Votes: 3   

"LexSucks - here goes a counter point, this is obviously not an "RS". yes it has the "RS" front facia and wheels but this is still a test mule like we've been seeing for some time now."

- Are you sure of that? I'm not sure how extended wheel arches would work with the A5's design? Why put on an RS front-end and not do anything else? unless the RS's front-end is all it will get. Which I think the case will be. I can't imagine an S5 with extended fender flares. Flares do not seem to be compatible with the S5's current design. We'll see I guess.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 4:26:21 PM | | Votes: 0   

...i guess if power is the only thing you consider, yes you might as well. both are nice, but when comparing the s6 and rs5, i think one of the last things i'd notice is that they have the same power. first i'd notice that one is a gt coupe, while the other is a sedan/wagon. but thats just me.

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 12:36:53 PM | | Votes: 4   

yea ur right.

— SHOWTIME (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 12:59:48 PM | | Votes: 3   

"People, you obviously DON'T see that this car is MISSING the usual 'RS' styling cues. For example:

1) This car does NOT have wider fender flares like the RS4/RS6 etc.

2) The rear bumper is the same as the regular S5 whereas the RS models have a more aggressive one

3) The brakes will be bigger

4) The exhaust will be Audi's dual oval exhaust not the quad setup shown here"

- We have a winner. I can't believe that folks here would be willing to accept that as a true "RS" model? It isn't. And if it were then Audi has let the "RS" series go to crap. I'm not surprised. Audi turned a car that once competed against the M3, into a car that competes with non "M" run-of-the-mill 3-series. But Audi still calls the vehicle an "S4" (Not sure what the significance of the "S" badge is but whatever). The same thing seems to be happening with the "RS" models.

When it comes to model designation and product placement Audi Of America doesn't have a clue.

If that is the new "RS5", then the "RS" series have seriously gone downhill.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 2:38:14 PM | | Votes: 1   

Some people here are retarded and will believe and accept anything that is told to them.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 2:39:51 PM | | Votes: 0   

What makes you think that Audis Twin-Turbo V8 (the engine in the RS5) will not be heavy? It's a V8 (which are always heavy), and has 2 Turbos which also add weight. I'm not sure why you think a V8 that has 2 turbos is lighter than a V8 that doesn't have any turbos? Please Explain.

Audi's may lead the segment in AWD but they aren't anywhere close to having the most advanced AWD systems. Both Subaru and Mitsubishi have better all wheel drive systems than Audi.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 2:44:31 PM | | Votes: -1   

No answer Yonder7? Just a deboost. LOL!!

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 3:34:59 PM | | Votes: -1   

"LexSucks you are a MORON. Audi knows that BMW has the 335i and then the M3. Audi simply brought the S4's price down to be MUCH closer to the 335i's than the M3's and accordingly gave the S4 slightly better performance than the 335i."

- Then what is the significance of the "S" badge on the Audi S4?

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 3:05:13 PM | | Votes: -1   

Rather that de-boost me, how about an answer?

Audi Fans, What is the significance of the "S" badge on the Audi S4?

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 3:12:05 PM | | Votes: -1   

LexSucks - Audi used to use the "S" as an "M" competitor in the U.S. years ago but as time went on and the "M" and "AMG" got more aggressive Audi decided to bring the "RS" to the states. now they are slowly transitionig the "S" into a mid grade competitor. get it now?

— 1dott8 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 4:08:39 PM | | Votes: 3   

"LexSucks - Audi used to use the "S" as an "M" competitor in the U.S. years ago but as time went on and the "M" and "AMG" got more aggressive Audi decided to bring the "RS" to the states. now they are slowly transitionig the "S" into a mid grade competitor. get it now?"

- transistioning the "S" into a midrange competitor? I'm sorry but Audi should have just called the new S4 the A4. Other than a dual exhaust setup they are visually the same. Exactly like the difference between the BMW 328 and the 335i. By using Audis Logic, BMW could have called the 335 an M3. But BMW is smart enough to give the "M" designation to cars that are visually and mechanically different than the standard cars. Audi chose not to to that with the "S4". At least from a visual standpoint.

I'm still of the opinion that Audi is clueless when it comes to model designation.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 4:38:15 PM | | Votes: -1   

LexSucks - how many engines does bmw use in the 3 series excluding the "M"? why is it a problem if audi does the same but use different badge designations?

— 1dott8 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 10:12:36 PM | | Votes: 1   

The problem is the 110+hp difference between the A4 and the S4. What about the folks who are ready to trade in their B7 A4 3.2? They either have to purchase a much more expensive, high performance vehicle (which is probably not what they want. remember the purchased a 265hp A4), Or a lower power buzzy 4-cylinder 2.0t. Audi has limited the choices. How many times do I have to say that?

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/29/2009 5:42:10 PM | | Votes: 1   

"Answer: Sport - The Audi S4 outperforms the BMW 335i - check any comparison test done by Auto Motor und Sport, Evo, etc."

- So Audi needs a special designation while the others (BMW) don't? Audi is the master of perception. Throw an "S" badge on it. And have it compete against cars whose manufacturers didn't feel the need to give a lower model some sort of bogus "S" designation.


"You are an IDIOT LexSucks if you think Audi will water-down their RS lineup of vehicles especially when I gave you clear evidence that Audi is clearly making their RS cars even more competitive in terms of horsepower and performance."

- Idoit. LOL! I dont know about that. What I do know is that the S4 is now going after regular 3-series models when before they used to go after (compete) with M3s. Audi brought the S4 downscale. Why is it such a reach to think that they will do the same with the RS models.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 3:33:47 PM | | Votes: -1   

LexSucks,

You seem to be a master of marketing based on your comments. Why don't you impart some of your marketing wisdom on BMW since their sales numbers could obviously use some help. What exactly is your complaint about Audi? In this thread alone you've mentioned that Audis are overpriced. That their styling is not aggressive enough. That they underperform. That their model designations are wrong. Well guess what? Audi is doing just fine. And no it's not because of deceptive marketing. It's because of their compelling product. If you're having a hard time accepting that fact, then that's your problem.

— JustaCar (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 5:34:30 PM | | Votes: 3   

Audi is doing fine?

So is Toyota. That doesn't mean I have to like them.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 5:59:49 PM | | Votes: -1   

No you don't have to like them. Just stop pushing your personal opinions as facts. State your opinion and move on. You have not convinced anyone here with your pointless arguments.

— JustaCar (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 6:48:25 PM | | Votes: 3   

What personal opinion am I trying to push as facts? And when did your opinion become fact?

Just because someone disagrees with you, doesn't mean that they are trying to push their opinions as facts. And it doesn't mean that they should "move on".

I'm also not trying to convince anyone. I'm just stating my reasons why I think that Audis just seem to be a little Dull these days. And you know which cars usually sell the most? You got it... the Dull cars. Look at Toyota. If you don’t like hearing that then that’s your business.

Here's are a few facts. They're are folks that love Audis, and they are folks that believe that Audi's lower priced offering are getting a bit dull.

Don’t get me wrong, they’re Audis that I do like. I like the R8 just like the next guy. But the current A4? blah.. S4 is better but at 98% visually identical to a jazzed up A4, I'd pick something else.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 7:37:48 PM | | Votes: -1   

"LexSucks: If you realy need an expalnation for the "S" please do not write about cars, "

- I was able to understand what the "S" stood for when they competed against the BMW "M"s. Now I'm not sure what the "S" is about since it competes with cars that don't carry a special badge.


"second: Most of Audis are heavier cause they are Quatro,"

- Among other things. Quattro or not. Audis are not known for thier light weight.


"But not for the engine. For the records the 4.0 V8 of the M3 is 2 Kilograms heavier than the 6.2 AMG V8, (So materials in the AMG should Be light and very advanced cause it have a lot of power and torque), In general performance it will be stupid to compare the 6.2 AMG with the Bimmer,"

-It would also be stupid to compare a $150,000 vehicle against a $75,000 vehicle.


"Lets wait till the car is out to avoid the speculation...Let me give you some videos to enjoy,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m7AedCGrnjk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dQOqLMHzBtk"

- Cant really watch the vids now. But I'm sure that they are nice


"and remmenber, to drive too hard your bimmer cause you can damage the engine or trans if you are drifting,"

- What are your sources for this information?


"try it in wet and be careful cause the coupes BMW are very light but also have Marginal protection in impact tests....Have nice day.. "

-Again, Where did you get this info from? An Audi fan board?

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 3:55:41 PM | | Votes: -1   

"Of course Audi executives would want to leave a gaping hole in their product lineup and therefore they will water-down the RS-cars to compete with '550'-badged BMWs."


- Are you an Audi product planner? Why wouldn't they water down the "RS" models? They watered down the S4.

As for gaping holes. Audi has always left gaping holes in their line-up. Next year Audi will have a 211Hp A4 2.0t, and the next (A4/S4) model after that is the 330+ hp S4. Is that not a "gaping hole"? LOL!!

Next!!

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 4:05:47 PM | | Votes: -1   

LexSucks - you've got to be kidding me. would you like audi to put out another 4 cylinder with 250hp? or maybe 5 cylinder? what is this gaping hole you speak of?

— 1dott8 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 4:35:01 PM | | Votes: 1   

"LexSucks - you've got to be kidding me. would you like audi to put out another 4 cylinder with 250hp? or maybe 5 cylinder? what is this gaping hole you speak of?"

- The gaping hole I'm speaking of is the 110hp difference between the A4 2.0 and the next model up, the S4. Most manufacturer's models have about a 50hp difference between the next powerful engine. Even Audi.

Audi went from having a 211hp A4 to the 265hp v6 A4 (53hp difference) last year. Now Audi goes from the 211hp A4 to the 330+ hp S4 (110+hp difference) no in between. What about the A4 3.2 owners that want to replace their car? They would either be forced to get a high performance, more expensive car (which they weren't looking for), or a less powerful buzy 4 cylinder A4 2.0t? Audi has left a large hole and lessened the choices.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 4:53:25 PM | | Votes: 3   

LexSucks - audi has a 4 cylinder and a 6 cylinder. what's the problem? bmw has 2 6 cylinders, of course their hp is going to be closer. audi is dropping the 3.2 litre engine if you didn't know.

— 1dott8 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 10:23:40 PM | | Votes: 2   

When the Audi B5 S4 was first released it competed and beat the M3's that were out at the time. In fact, with a chip and exhuast it would destroy an M3. Those were the days.

And the RS4 will not beat an M3. The RS4's has had the same design for a while now and can't beat the current M3. The next generation RS4 will probably be able to do it. But the RS4 that is out now (based on the B7 A4). Will not beat an M3. Keep dreaming

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 4:00:14 PM | | Votes: -1   

Where did you learn to speak english? (no disrespect intended) I wish that American schools had better foreign languge classes. Most Americans cant speak or write english well.

— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 10:13:58 PM | | Votes: 1   

Audi needs an "S" modeled car to compete with a BMW that doesn't have any such designation? Why is that?

Audi isn't used to BMW level performace. When they do reach BMW level performance they have to give the car a special name (and charge you more for it).

Funny thing is that BMW doesn't think that the 335/S4's level of performance is worthy of an special designation. Just plain ol' 335i is good enough for them. BMW saves the "M" designation for cars that perform like an "M". Not for cars that perform like the 335i/s4

If you want an Audi that performs as good as a BMW, get ready to pay more for the Audi than the BMW. That extra money also gets you a useless Bogus "S" badge in the case of the B8 S4.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 4:14:27 PM | | Votes: 0   

"Audi needs an "S" modeled car to compete with a BMW that doesn't have any such designation? Why is that?"

why is this such an issue? who really cares about a letter or a number? now that audi is cutting models (no more 2 engines in an A4) it's a problem with you. it is what it is, dude, get over it.

— 1dott8 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 4:49:31 PM | | Votes: 1   

"why is this such an issue? who really cares about a letter or a number? now that audi is cutting models (no more 2 engines in an A4) it's a problem with you. it is what it is, dude, get over it."

- Who cares about a letter or a number? Everyone does. Would you want the new Audi S4 to be called an A2? Or would you want the A4 2.0t to be called the "RS4"? Model designation is important. More so for folks who don't have a clue. For people who do know, they can see right through the Bogus S4 badge. I feel sorry for the folks who don't. That's why Audi has resorted to using misleading Model names, the more people that dont care the better. I'm glad I'm not like that.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 5:11:17 PM | | Votes: 0   

LexSucks - for the most part it's just like you said, "More so for folks who don't have a clue". i would put an A2 badge on my S4. most enthusiasts (such as myself) could care less, obviously, you aren't an automobile enthusiast, bmw maybe but not automobile.

— 1dott8 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 10:35:56 PM | | Votes: 1   

"LexSucks - for the most part it's just like you said, "More so for folks who don't have a clue". i would put an A2 badge on my S4."

- Why would you put an A2 badge on your S4? What purpose would that serve?


"most enthusiasts (such as myself) could care less, obviously, you aren't an automobile enthusiast, bmw maybe but not automobile."

-That fact that you are willing to mislabel your vehicle doesn't make you and enthusiast. Would you put a Toyota Badge on your S4?

And who are you to say if I'm an enthusiast? I own a 1000cc Sport bike for Christ-sakes. (A sport bike that does 0-145mph in 9.79 seconds out of the box). I also own one of those Rally-Bred, Japanese Turbo-charged sedans. Just because someone doesn't like Audi doesn't make them a Non-Enthusiasts. And I’m not a BMW enthusiast. BMW suck in areas just like Audi does (in other areas). There was a time I preferred Audi to BMW. Not anymore.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/29/2009 10:29:32 AM | | Votes: 0   

LexSucks - i said that because you act like it makes no sense what they are doing (audi) not because you don't like audi. when bmw sells 2 6 cylinders (which makes less sense to me) you weren't saying anything about that.

— 1dott8 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/29/2009 2:54:23 PM | | Votes: 1   

BMW sells 2 6 cylinder engines. Correct. One is a Turbo, the other one isn't. they are 2 completely different engines with 2 different power outputs. The BMW engines are about a step apart in performance (238hp vs 300hp) The Audi engines are 2 steps apart (211hp Vs 330hp).

I'll say this for the third time in this thread. What about the B7 3.2 owner looking to replace their A4? They would have to choose between a high perfomance car, or a Buzzy lower powered 4 Cylinder A4 2.0t. Neither car doesn't match the vehicle that they had before.

Now if a owner of say a 2005 330i were to trade in their car, they could go up to 300hp (335i) from the 268hp 330i, or down to 238hp (328i). Both are closer to what the 330i owner had than what Audi offers to the A4 3.2 owner.

Audi needs a vehicle to bridge the gap between the 211hp (not so high perfomance) buzzy 2.0t and the 330+hp (high perfomance) S4. Doesn't anyone here agree with this?

A4 shoppers only have one choice now. The buzzy 2.0t. What if they wanted a smooth V6? this year Audi had the 3.2, in 2010 they wont. An A4 owner looking for a V6 would have to look at a car that may be overkill and more than what they need price-wise, and power-wise. But hey.. Audi knows what its doing.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/29/2009 6:03:16 PM | | Votes: 1   

I was just correcting a disillutioned Audi Fan who said that the current RS4 outperforms the current M3. You see what I'm up against?

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 4:16:35 PM | | Votes: -1   

I'm not really a Bimmer fan anymore. I used to be but not anymore. The same can be said for Audi.

— LexSucks (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 4:54:30 PM | | Votes: 1   

in fact this article blows trannys

— pcar4evr (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 5:38:17 PM | | Votes: 5   

you sure its not the automatic transmission?

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 8:01:30 PM | | Votes: 2   

I could buy a vern nice house in Michigan for that price,

— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 9/28/2009 10:16:54 PM | | Votes: 0