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SOUND OFF: What Makes You Dislike Certain Brands?

Agent009 submitted on 09/19/2008 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 1:23 PM
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SOUND OFF: What Makes You Dislike Certain Brands?

We all have our favorite brands, and it is pretty obvious what they can be: Agent00J falls down in favor of BMW time and time again. While Agent004 also favors BMW, he holds Infiniti in high esteem as well. Agent001 sometimes hints at BMW, but holds Lexus dear as well. As for yours truly, we all know I do favor the perennial underdog Audi, followed closely by Mini. Now by reading your comments it is pretty clear, you each have your favorites as well. No harm there at all.

But while we all beat to the tune of a different drummer on our likes, the question I want to know is what brands we don’t like and why. If you ask 001 car that continually fails to impress him is the SMART. Something about them fails to click with his inner child I guess. If you ask me, you will see prior ownership of two Lexus and one Infiniti have cast significant shadows on both of those brands.

Simply put a bad experience with any brand may tarnish your opinion, but is it limited to the car, the dealership, ownership experience or something else? Some of these are easy to address, like moving to another service facility. Others are harder to resolve such as design issues or poor quality. However these are both valid reasons.

But I suspect a number of you simply don’t like a brand, and have never sat inside of it, or even driven one. If you think a Lexus is a glorified Toyota, or an Audi is a over grown VW then you probably haven’t ever driven one since the early 90’s, if ever. They all have their strengths and weaknesses. So ion reality is it envy sowing these seeds of hostility?

So now is your chance to settle the score and let us know why a certain brand strikes a negative chord with you. Are they simply a poseur that doesn’t deserve the time of day from you? Do think their design principals just stink? Perhaps the dealership may have screwed you over.

We want to hear your horror stories, your terrible confessions. It is time to cleanse your soul and free your demons forever.

The Dr. is in and the couch is now open for your confessions.

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t_sotello - 9/19/2008 1:51:02 PM

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If its just any brand it would have to be Chrysler. The styling that is coming out from them just sucks. That includes both Jeep and Dodge. Also being inside one just feels uncomfortable and driving one I feel like I don't have any control of the car. I know every company has it ups and downs but I think Chrysler just has a whole lot more downs than ups.
The other brands that I don't like is Acura and Hyundai, mainly on the idea that they think of themselves has a luxury brands that compete with BMW and Mercedes and other similar makes.

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Agent009 - 9/19/2008 1:54:41 PMView My AgentSpace

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The tier 1 and tier 2 issue is always a hot topic.

RS4tothefloor - 9/19/2008 1:57:55 PM

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despite the name, I dislike Audi. People rant about there interiors when in fact the build quality is the same a BMW and Mercedes. The interior designs may be nice, but they are in no way more comfortable, so there is no reason i would buy one over the Merc or BMW. I also don't like how every Audi looks the EXACT same, the design gets boring fast. So Merc are more comfortable, and BMW are luxury sport. The competition also offers AWD on just about every model so there is no real point for them to be bragging about it anymore, in fact I believe BMW offers a more advanced awd system on its vehicles now. Also in many cases Audi's are ridiculously over priced. Another thing that rubs me the wrong way about Audi is how they publicly go after BMW, where in almost every case BMW offers better and more advanced tech, for example, engines BMW makes better petrol and diesel engines period, and just better balanced cars in general.Just b/c they have recently produce two decent car the rs4 and r8(i personally prefer the 911) it dosent make up for decades of mediocre cars. And there fans think every in the VW group is the best w/o ever supporting there argument.

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RS4tothefloor - 9/19/2008 2:00:32 PM

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dont get me wrong they are nice cars, but not the best..

QuantumMatrix - 9/19/2008 2:06:41 PM

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Wow, you got a +10 boost in just a few minutes..

Just how many different profiles do you have???

None of the others on here got that kind of boost. I love BMW's and MB's too, but know that Audi makes a top notch car too.

You don't have to boost own ego so much just to make it look like other people hate Audi as much as you..

QuantumMatrix - 9/19/2008 2:10:07 PM

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Oh, and the response to your "the other's have all wheel drive models too"..

I've driven them and nothing comes close to Audi's Quattro system. I've owned one and know this to be a fact.

Audi's may not be as fun to drive as a BMW, but give me one in snowy, icy or rainy weather anyday over the others.

candywhite - 9/19/2008 2:26:04 PM

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good, it would be a shame to waste an audi on your ass.
Dont you dare look at any Audi again.
More for me!

RS4tothefloor - 9/19/2008 2:49:42 PM

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"Audi's may not be as fun to drive as a BMW, but give me one in snowy, icy or rainy weather anyday over the others"---an awd merc or BM can do all the same things in the snom my friend, and you must have not driven a new BM with the vector drive, b/c it is the most advanced awd system that i know of.

RS4tothefloor - 9/19/2008 3:01:20 PM

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A BM is alot of thing
in golf--Ball Mark
Craps----Balve Movement
Cars-----BMW

txripper - 9/19/2008 3:05:47 PM

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lol.. balve? its BOWEL MOVEMENT

RS4tothefloor - 9/19/2008 3:40:06 PM

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i dont care you can deboost all you want....just means you have nothing rational to say in response.

Kaner - 9/19/2008 6:05:48 PMView My AgentSpace

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lol that shows how lazy americans are... you just abbreviated bmw... bm?? come on man!

RS4tothefloor - 9/19/2008 7:24:13 PM

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I honestly dont hate Audis, i dont want to give the wrong impression. All german cars are wounderful. Its just certain people on this site...thats all.

VISO - 9/19/2008 9:21:23 PM

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Your opinion, not fact.

IVANURI97 - 9/19/2008 2:00:59 PM

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My two least favorites are BMW and Lexus/Toyota. BMW because of the people who drive them, not all, but there are some pompus people who drive them like they own the road. There are many who drive that way, but seems like they are all in BMW's. Lexus/Toyota seem to be so boring, nothing excites me about them, yet they have people who will buy them because they are what they are. Reliable, yet boring, overpriced, appliances. Just my opinion. And yes, I have been in them and driven a few, but will not own them.

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txripper - 9/19/2008 2:20:22 PM

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honda may make reliable cars, but they are all butt ugly.. ridgeline, accord, fit, civic, element... freaking horrible

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DROOPYSAKK - 9/19/2008 2:20:46 PM

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IF IT HAS A B M OR W

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B7FAN - 9/19/2008 2:23:02 PM

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perfect article for amazina$$..i mean amazinBimmer lets see if he could elaborate on the garbage coming out of his mouth. what makes me dislike certain brands is longevity, reliability, and looks that are not timeless

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B7FAN - 9/19/2008 2:30:06 PM

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if a car cant stand the test of time and the looks of it only last a year or 2 then thats my dislike. performance also plays a role too....but look at a 1996 BMW M3 2 door coupe I still love that car If I had more money to throw away I would purchase one and do a frame-off restoration on it has the longevity i dont know about reliability but I think it has a timeless look to it as goes for the BMW 8 series I think that car is still hot to this day

Agent009 - 9/19/2008 2:52:26 PMView My AgentSpace

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I was kind of hoping he would chime in by now.

candywhite - 9/19/2008 2:24:04 PM

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I loath Lexus the most. its a god awful brand. Probably the MOST shameless. Lexus has done nothing but copy its competitors and hasn't invented one useful thing. The only thing it has invented was the selfparking car but thats only cuz ppl who buy lexus's cant drive. Nobody says it better then Audi : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gVaFbkg9jRs
In all seriousness, why on earth would ANYBODY want to spend 3times asmuch money for a toyota. AND FOR THE LOVE OF GOD, dont give me this reliability crap. Do you see who drives Toyotas ??! People who cant drive and who go below the speed limit. In fact when im in traffic there is always some **** that drives a Camry that is blocking me on the left lane and causing traffic jam's. I dont want to go into detail of who is driving these vehicles most of the time, cuz i dont want to divert this into something else.
Seriously though, why do you think their reliability apparently is so good ? cuz there consumer demographic dosen't put the pedal to the medal or anything to cause excessive wear. And dont get me started on those golden badges they have on the rear and for their logo. That is the MOST tasteless thing i have ever seen on a car. despicable.
If you like lexus that just means that you like mediocre things and a big SHAME ON YOU. cuz lexus has no heart or a soul. seriously. those cars have no presence. I think its even unjust to put them in the same class as Audi, BMW and Mercedes.
If you see otherwise, please don't respond to this post, because i don't care. I loath.

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Foreigner - 9/19/2008 2:35:35 PM

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Yes, i know what you're referring to. Particularly women of a particular nationality who drive without a freakin' clue, about 20 MPH under the speed limit. I hope insurance companies know about this.

Agent009 - 9/19/2008 2:53:42 PMView My AgentSpace

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candywhite- The doctor says you may need to come back to the couch again.

candywhite - 9/19/2008 3:00:42 PM

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I'm trying! but the Camry in front of me is causing a traffic jam!

Foreigner - 9/19/2008 3:10:38 PM

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No.

S30GTR - 9/19/2008 3:15:58 PM

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how about my '72 240z. it's way better looking than any classic german and titanic american car.

candywhite - 9/19/2008 3:20:19 PM

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Okay, but then again its an answer to an Opel GT.

Agent009 - 9/19/2008 3:30:17 PMView My AgentSpace

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damikco- Classic Japanese cars

Mazda Rx-7
Datsun 240Z
Datsun 510
Datsun 2000

Toyota Supra
Toyota MR2
Toyota 2000GT

Just to name a few. Yes even Toyota made quite a few memorable cars before they homogenized.

M35MT - 9/19/2008 5:01:28 PMView My AgentSpace

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Agent 009, nice attempt to level the playing field, however, the anti-asian/anti-toyota sentiment on this site has been largely fueled by your own comments/articles.

Cornholio852 - 9/22/2008 10:29:52 AM

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Candywhite,

you speak the truth. not many on hear do

PlanB - 9/19/2008 2:38:30 PM

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I'll have to go with Toyota. Its not that I dislike them, both my mother and grandmother drive one. But I think most of the hype they still get should've been over years ago. Granted most of their hype was warranted. They make great reliable cars that work to specification(like an appliance). But now, I really see them no differently than most of their competition. Mainly because most of their competition has matched that quality quite closely and in most cases can be argued that they've been passed. Their performance numbers are usually just mid-pack, the styling in their cars are created to make sure you lose it in a shopping mall parking lot and yet they are still hyped and I don't fully comprehend that hype any longer.

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Cornholio852 - 9/22/2008 10:32:29 AM

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I agree with planB Toyotas are overrated.

blackbr - 9/19/2008 2:39:48 PM

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Agree with candywhite to some extent...

I don't like manufacturers who blatantly rip off other companies' designs. Toyota/Lexus has copied everything from Mercedes, BMW, Ford (the F-150), and even the Audi TT.

Can't they be display even the slightest shred of originality?

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Kaner - 9/19/2008 5:53:44 PMView My AgentSpace

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really?? toyota copied the tt? when???

kut17 - 9/19/2008 6:30:16 PMView My AgentSpace

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If I remember correctly, the 2009 BMW looks an awful like the 2007 LS 460.

S4cabriofoxone - 9/21/2008 1:33:06 AMView My AgentSpace

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Which looks a lot like the 2004 BMW 5 Series.

The only things the new 7 has in common with the LS are the built-in exhausts, which were originated on the BMW X5, and the Hoffmeister kink.

1995e34 - 9/19/2008 3:04:18 PM

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bmw has today released official photos of the 09' 7 series.

http://www.bmwusa.com/Standard/Content/AllBMWs/FutureVehicles/Default.aspx

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1995e34 - 9/19/2008 3:07:40 PM

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someone write an article or something...i'm too lazy.

CLK63BlackSeries - 9/19/2008 3:04:31 PMView My AgentSpace

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Shitty handling, cheap materials, horrible aesthetics, and lack of originality... everything that is Lexus basically...

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Foreigner - 9/19/2008 3:19:58 PM

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Yes, but I will say that many of the newer Benzes also seem to suffer from cheap interior materials. I recently drove a C63, and I felt like I was going to break the climate control knobs off using them as intended. However, by and large, the Germans still do it best.

1995e34 - 9/19/2008 3:07:07 PM

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i don't like brands that were created for marketing reasons.

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BMW3forMe - 9/19/2008 3:10:13 PM

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So that basically rules out almost every car ever made...

candywhite - 9/19/2008 3:15:12 PM

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Bicycles!
lets bring them back.

1995e34 - 9/19/2008 3:16:32 PM

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my comment makes no sense. i was tired.

FerrarisR4me - 9/19/2008 3:22:10 PM

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To be honest, I don't have any problems against MOST cars. I realize that though it might not float my boat, there are things to like about it. For instance I couldn't see myself in a Lexus but I understand that if you want to be in a cacoon(?) from A to B and like that level of refinement it's a sweet car. It's like a poor mans Rolls. I wouldn't drive one of those either just cuz its not my style. Doesn't mean I don't like it. I don't like ugly body styles and poor quality obv, but as for cars there are usually redeeming qualities. So the thing that turns me off the most are the people that drive them. That means you A-hole w/ the bluetooth driving your BMW. That means you unreasonable A-hole on these messageboards that think Lexus is the greatest luxury car/sports car/exotic car/economy car of all time. Like everything else in the world... for me, its the people that make me truely hate something.

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E36er - 9/19/2008 3:34:04 PM

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Nice graphics agent 009, now we know what he really does. He plays Grand Theft Auto at night. Seriously though, all car manufacturers have their ups and downs. The easy targets are Toyota and Hyundai for perpetuating derivative design. Sadly, I would have to say Mercedes is one of the worst offender these days. Merc has lost touch with its teutonic roots by following Lexus making more and more stylized “Asian” looking cars. What happened? The gullwing 300sl’s were a combination of art and engineering. Even the boxy looking E class models or the late 80’s were still “German” in design. The current S class looks like an oversized Ford Focus. It’s got the same flared out wheel wells and a similar raked hood. The concept Mercs are even worse, looking like something Hyundai would design. Burn Audi and BMW all you want but they still represent a particular Germaness that Mercs are lacking more and more. The only possible exception to all this is the current SL. It too is a bit over designed but it maintains the nobility of a true German car. I wish I could say the same for the rest of the Mercedes line up.

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rocker - 9/19/2008 3:35:09 PM

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Reliability and resale value.

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candywhite - 9/19/2008 3:48:37 PM

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i like you, but i disagree.

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steve27t - 9/19/2008 3:54:15 PM

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amazinbmwpropogandamachine...

Yeah, like Lamborghini, Bentley and Bugatti are just warmed over Golfs. You are truly the biggest jerk here since we lost Michael Taylor. I have nothing against BMW but you must make a few people here hate BMW. What a jerk.

"legitimate contender" what planet do you live on? You have so many chips on your shoulder it is a wonder you can walk.

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QuantumMatrix - 9/19/2008 4:02:22 PM

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Me thinks amazinBimmer is RS4tothefloor!

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Star - 9/19/2008 3:51:04 PM

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I dislike hyped up vehicles more than brands in general. I dislike when a car is made up into something is not. I dislike when a car like the GT-R is compared with an icon like Porsche. I dislike when cheaply build cars like Hyundai, Infiniti or Pontiac are compared with a real driver's car like BMW. WHY?
Because there is absolutely nothing in common between these cars other then some specs on paper.

Let's take the biggest farce in the automotive history ..the new Nissan GT-R. This car looks likes absolute garbage in real life and it drives the same as any other Nissan car. You can see the crappy paint, the gaps between panels, the bad quality materials, the typical unfinished look of an inferior product. It is a Nissan, a faster one but nevertheless still... a Nissan. There is absolutely no hint of anything special. Put it next to a brand new base Porsche 911 and the Nissan GT-R looks like a cheap pile of trash by comparison. It's quality(Porsche) vs quantity(Nissan).

This trend in which cars manufactured by lowly brands are put against cars made by famous car brands is absolutely pathetic especially when the article concludes that somehow you get "more" when you buy trash...is just insulting. I can see the dumb masses wanting to believe this c**p but anybody with a brain, who's a real car guy knows that that kind of conclusion is simply a bad joke. I might not be able to afford a Ferrari but please don't insult my intelligence by trying to feed me the idea that I'm getting more by buying a POS Nissan instead. Again, I know that any idiot will cheer at the suggestion that he could get more with less money but I also know that any intelligent person knows the things will always be the same. You get what you pay for. Period.

And here comes something even more sad. The fact that the image of the car enthusiast was trashed because of the amount of clueless idiots lurking on car websites and pretending to be "car guys".
Any real car enthusiast will find a comparison between a Porsche and a Nissan or a BMW and an Infiniti unusual, ridiculous and ultimately offensive. If you, whoever you are think is normal ...find another hobby. Cars are NOT your thing.

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candywhite - 9/19/2008 5:47:20 PM

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I like Star.
Keep fighting the good fight!

Kaner - 9/19/2008 5:50:34 PMView My AgentSpace

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this dudes takes opinion and tries to pull it off like its real world experience. so tell me, how many gt-r's have u seen parked next to 911 turbos in the last month and a half? none? yea thought so jackass

Cornholio852 - 9/22/2008 11:28:50 AM

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oh god, here goes star again. more talking out his ass and acting like her has all these cars in his guarge and talks from real world experiance writing mile long post that make as mutch sense as horse's ass

Star please, cars are not YOUR thing so just give up.

Cornholio852 - 9/22/2008 11:28:57 AM

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snatchandgrab - 9/23/2008 2:37:29 PM

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Star you are such a dumb ass. I'm sick of you talking about Infiniti...Drive one fool. I own one and a Bmw and a Benz and trust me it's just as good. Stop spreading childish bullsh&t lies about cars that you haven't owned or driven clown.

kut17 - 9/19/2008 3:58:37 PMView My AgentSpace

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I hate Hyundai because they made some of the world's crappiest cars for decades. Then all of a sudden they boost their quality a little bit and they immediately have a good reputation despite the fact no one knows how long the new era of Hyundais will last since they're not even four years old yet. I also hate how they build the Genesis and everyone starts saying how much better it is compared to Lexus (even though the interior is laughable for a luxury car and the exterior is a copied version of the LS 460). Basically, I think it's annoying that Hyundai hasn't had to work for their reputation, especially since they were a company who needed to more than any other.

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Agent009 - 9/19/2008 4:44:25 PMView My AgentSpace

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I don't think the Genesis is better than a Lexus at all.

However when Lexus came on to the market they too were nowhere near to what a BMW or Merc was at the time. But it didn't matter, the cost difference was simply too great.

Now it didn't hurt that the Germans ran into issues later with quality in the 90's that played in the favor of Lexus. But could almost be argued that Lexus is going through a similar phase (TSBs: the things dealt with behind the scenes are up 300% in two years).

If these issues surface into real problems later on then Lexus is just as exposed to Hyundai as the Germans were by Lexus.

Again people in the US want some thing shiny and nice for less money.

Kaner - 9/19/2008 5:52:17 PMView My AgentSpace

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yea but hundai was never reliable in the first place, toyota was

kut17 - 9/19/2008 6:26:13 PMView My AgentSpace

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"Again people in the US want some thing shiny and nice for less money."

That's the thing. Compare a Hyundai to a Lexus on Edmunds and you'll see that Hyundai has cut costs by using cheap materials. That's not nice or shiny at all.

kut17 - 9/19/2008 6:35:05 PMView My AgentSpace

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^^For example, Hyundai uses fake wood trim. Lexus buys wood from Yamaha who use the same wood to make pianos worth several hundred thousand dollars. Lexus also has people hand select the leather in the LS. The manufacturers get fired if they wear metal or make up because it might flaw the paint. Lexus does a lot more to make their cars higher quality than Hyundai can even think of. There's a reason why the Genesis is so much cheaper.

abcd - 9/20/2008 3:34:45 AM

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Main difference between hyundai and lexus/toyota is that toyota like other japanese brands have been doing cars with much above average reliability for many years and they work out their reliability , quality image . While hyundai or korean car industry haven`t done nothing special , they don`t have tradition in building reliable ( japanese ) or performance ( european ) or elegant ( british ) , they only copied others designs to introduce their genesis and used japanese image of quality .

snatchandgrab - 9/23/2008 2:28:43 PM

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That car looks nothing like a LS460 or any other lexus. Its not even the same shape. In person it really looks like a Benz.

Carboy - 9/19/2008 4:06:02 PMView My AgentSpace

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I absoulutely hate Chysler. I remember in Puerto Rico when I had to rent a Chysler 300. It's performance is so bad by the time we got to 60MPH, we had to brake because it accelrated so slowly. It handles like a barge and your back hurts so much after a three hour trip. I hate Toyota and Lexus only because of their fans which are overkill and bias. I also had to rent one in Puerto Rico and the Camry is a great car. It's comfortable, it has so much room, and it's quite good in overtaking. If it weren't for their fans, I would like Toyota.

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Cornholio852 - 9/19/2008 4:14:15 PM

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I hear ya about Lexus fanboys.

Cornholio852 - 9/19/2008 4:13:36 PM

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I dont really care for BMW's newer cars. not that there bad i just dont care for it

Toyota's styleing kinda sucks too.

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0to60 - 9/19/2008 4:54:28 PM

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I hate the BMW fansboys on this site!

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0to60 - 9/19/2008 4:55:27 PM

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Likewise, I hate those that bash Lexus for dumb reasons, like the fact that it is a Lexus

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steve27t - 9/19/2008 5:46:16 PM

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Amazinretard,

unlike your all consuming irrational hate, I do not dislike BMW, I really do not like Bangle styling, but that will pass, the 3 coupe looks good to my eyes.

I take exception to idiots like you who help to create a bad image of BMW (or other makes).

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steve27t - 9/19/2008 5:47:50 PM

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amazinarrogance.

Where did you learn to spell??? Obviously not in a proper school.

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QuantumMatrix - 9/19/2008 6:00:31 PM

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I love BMW's, have owned 4 and currently own a 2008 335i coupe.

I just know that Audi makes amazing cars too.

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QuantumMatrix - 9/19/2008 6:06:25 PM

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Such name calling amazinBimmer...

Usually mental midgets are the ones that do exactly that.

Love BMW, MB, Audi and Porsche.. They all make great cars. Each make has it's unique market niche.

Only a mental midget would not know this.

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M316 - 9/19/2008 5:03:25 PM

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I like Audi styling but for god's sake VW give these guys a rear drive platform to work with. They are awful to drive. Newer BMW's are hideous hopefully they will sort it out and all Toyota's and Lexus are ugly and have been for a while...don't know if they will ever get it.

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Lemonade - 9/19/2008 5:23:38 PM

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I don't like GM because they're stupid.

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kut17 - 9/19/2008 6:27:49 PMView My AgentSpace

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Wow. I'm convinced.

Cornholio852 - 9/22/2008 11:30:33 AM

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here goes the lemon-man hatin' on GM

Kaner - 9/19/2008 5:47:16 PMView My AgentSpace

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lol ^^^ i dont like when companies ride eachothers (old) ideas... like hundai trying to make a cheap 2007 ls460 remake in 2009... everyones so impressed that its such a similar ride to the lexus... yea, maybe if they came out around the same time, it would be competition, but hundai literally just studied the ls for two years and changed some styling cues and call it a flagship, but with 50% less quality

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kut17 - 9/19/2008 6:27:34 PMView My AgentSpace

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I couldn't agree more.

huu76 - 9/19/2008 6:32:28 PM

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BMW because most of their buyers are pretty much useless to society. No productivity but they think leasing a car makes them a somebody.
Kofi Annan used to have his ass chauffered around in a BMW (he fits BMW's useless image perfectly) and claimed the UN was helping the poor.

Also BMW transformed themselves from a decent car company to merely a marketing firm.

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QuantumMatrix - 9/19/2008 8:06:56 PM

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Gee Huu, You are so obsessed with BMW and their success. It must really pain you to know that BMW proves itself time and time again and comes out TOP DOG!!

Bmw8ter - 9/19/2008 6:34:21 PM

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I'm not a big fan of ASSUMPTIO