See ya’ later M3 Coupe: Audi RS 5 could get Lambo’s 500hp V10

omarrana submitted on 11/07/2007 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 1:36 PM
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See ya’ later M3 Coupe: Audi RS 5 could get Lambo’s 500hp V10

The Audi S5’s 4.2 liter V8 engine that produces 354 horsepower is more than adequate to lead the coupe segment with BMW’s 335i coupe and Infiniti’s G37 following behind. But what does Audi have planned to rival the new 2008 BMW M3 coupe? Most would jump to the conclusion that the next Audi RS 4 with a rumored 450 horsepower engine would be the perfect competitor.

However, the RS 4 is a sedan and will be a great competitor for the M3 Sedan rather than the M3 Coupe. The answer to the 2008 BMW M3 Coupe will be Audi’s upcoming RS 5, which is expected to... Read Article

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MaindrianPace - 11/7/2007 2:12:43 PM

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A V10 500hp Coupe.... sounds more like an M6 competitior if you ask me!

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Catsmeow - 11/7/2007 2:40:06 PM

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very true...

AUDIMAN4 - 11/9/2007 10:15:19 PM

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You're retarded. The S5 is Aud's answer to the CLK63 and M3--it just will have way more power.

Lavic - 11/7/2007 2:33:11 PM

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How much will they price such a car?
I doubt it will be in the 60 to 65,000$.

The prospect for performance is quite amazing though.

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Agent63 - 11/9/2007 3:13:04 PMView My AgentSpace

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A V10 variant will hit 100K with ease.

Porschinator - 11/7/2007 3:03:54 PM

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I truly hope Audi does not cannabalize Lambo.

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Threepoint1415926 - 11/7/2007 3:35:05 PM

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I think Lambo's only competition from Audi is the R8, no one is cross shopping RS5's and Gallardos.

S4cabriofoxone - 11/7/2007 5:54:16 PMView My AgentSpace

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LOL, Threepoint is right. Lamborghini has nothing to be scared of... when one wants a Lambo, one buys a Lambo, no questions asked. They're not going to be shopping for Audis or even Ferraris. And even if this is too close to the Gallardo--there are rumors of it getting a power boost, anyway.

aarononymous - 11/7/2007 5:59:01 PM

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I don't see too many yellow Audis

1995e34 - 11/8/2007 8:34:26 PM

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what's the weight penalty for adding the v10?

r_driver04 - 11/9/2007 2:34:02 PM

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Do you hear that Mr. Anderson.......that's the sound of invevitability.

Hwany - 11/7/2007 3:35:53 PM

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Just rumors.

Some say it will get TT V8. Or just the V8 from RS4.

Or the detuned version of TTV10 from RS6.

Who knows? It still months away..

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Whelan - 11/7/2007 3:53:47 PM

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Next time you post an article please be sure to put it against similar cars. The Audi S5 is not a competitor with the M3 in any way. The 6 series BMW is direct competition for this. Therefore you are talking the M6 vs. S5. And guess what, the M6 has a 500hp V10 as well!

So this article is fairly non-informative to me until I see a comparison between the two from MT or C&D. Oh and by the looks of the Audi, I'd rather have an M6.

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Threepoint1415926 - 11/7/2007 4:05:54 PM

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Correct me if I'm wrong but isnt the A5 nearly the exact same size as the 3 series coupe and CLK? Why then compare it to the 6 series? It's always been hard to compare the CLK to the 6 for this very same reason. I hardly see a CLK63 as an M6 competitor, likewise I dont see the RS5 as an M6 competitor either.

Hwany - 11/7/2007 5:11:26 PM

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Next time before you put a stupid comments like this,
check your facts.

S5 is a 335i competitior and A5 is a direct 328i competitor. Both price wise and performance/size wise.

So the RS5 is a M3 competitior.

S4cabriofoxone - 11/7/2007 5:56:20 PMView My AgentSpace

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The S5 is 10 in shorter than the 6 Series coupe and only 2 in longer than the 3 Series coupe, so they are indeed direct competitors (328xi/335xi and A5/S5). The 650i coupe is also about $25K more than the S5... and a fully-loaded S5 is only around $600 more than a fully-loaded 335xi coupe.

dayday - 11/7/2007 11:10:40 PM

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Hwany

i agree with you!
A5 vs 328i
S5 vs 335i
RS5 vs M3

What about M3 CSL then?? BMW has already confirmed that they will produce CSL for every M3 model from this generation. so will it be:
RS5 vs M3 + M3 CSL??

i think the RS5 will be a lot faster than the manual M3, pretty much similar to the c 63 AMG, but the SMG M3 will come out early next year, which will push M3 to the AMG level. and plus the CSL version,i think the BMW might dominate the game again.

Lexus - 11/7/2007 5:15:42 PM

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Big deal, anyone can cramp fat auss engine in a small sedan and make it fast like a rocket. Why use a V8 instead and make the vechicle light.

The BMW M3 only had 414hp, and this rumor Audi RS5 will have V10 with 500hp. So what if it beat the M3, it had almost 100hp more than the M3 coupe.

To be fair, both vechicle has to have almost the same amount of horse power and lb of torque.

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S4cabriofoxone - 11/7/2007 5:57:13 PMView My AgentSpace

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If you can't appreciate the car, don't post.

hateslexus - 11/7/2007 7:02:00 PM

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s4 obviously you like audi and i don't blame you, their wonderful, nice interiored cars, but can you help me figure out why they put gas guzzling co2 emitting cars out. i have deep respect for audi, but at some points there is a question of reason

S4cabriofoxone - 11/7/2007 10:10:11 PMView My AgentSpace

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What's your point? All luxury brands produce gas-guzzlers. Audi also produces some of the best diesels on Earth--along with BMW, they may revolutionize the US market with luxury diesels.

1995e34 - 11/8/2007 8:45:26 PM

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i appreciate their diesels, but this v10 crap is getting ridiculous. i liked that "gentlemen's agreement" the japanese makers USED to have; something like a cap of 276hp...which was often disregaurded.

it's not very prudent to continue this horsepower pissing contest. it's cool to have sport models, but i think it got out of hand a bit when they stopped tunning 6 cylinders for compacts and ante'd up to v8's.

maybe i'm becoming a grumpy old man. or maybe i just hate to see my first love - cars - be the downfall of mankind.

Lexus - 11/7/2007 5:21:27 PM

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correction, not sedan I meant coupe etc..

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Lexus - 11/7/2007 5:22:21 PM

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correction, not sedan I meant coupe etc..

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Lexus - 11/7/2007 5:22:22 PM

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correction, not sedan I meant coupe etc..

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Lexus - 11/7/2007 5:23:07 PM

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correction, I meant small coupe etc..

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Lexus - 11/7/2007 5:32:51 PM

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sorry, something wrong with my computer!

Lexus

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henbmw - 11/8/2007 12:17:36 AM

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Thanks for signing your name, like we didn't already know who posted 5 times in a row

S4cabriofoxone - 11/7/2007 5:57:55 PMView My AgentSpace

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AMAZING... this will make the RS5 the most desirable sub-$100K coupe on the market.

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mclaren428 - 11/7/2007 10:45:46 PM

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S4 i dont understand why you make statements like this.You state that like its a fact,which it most certainly is not.Maybe you should say
in my opinion.....

anyway I hope they put the v10 in this...it will make the m3 more desirable...nimble and light.

Need4Speed - 11/7/2007 6:15:21 PM

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quote -

"Even better, Road&Track sources are saying that Audi may even look to fellow Lamborghini for the 5.2 liter V10 engine that produces 500 horsepower in the Gallardo. That should definitely leave the M3 in the dust."

I'll tell you what else will leave the M3 in the dust...the RS5's price! If you think a 500bhp V10 RS5 will be price competitive to the M3 there are clinics to help with that kind of drug abuse!

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leelemon - 11/7/2007 6:40:10 PM

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Exactly, I am so tired of people making threads comparing cars that aren't even in the same segment, just so that they can generate conflict between readers. This is a typical "apples and oranges" comparison. Fact of the matter is that the RS4 starts at about 70K and so the RS5 will probably be closer to the 80K, if not a little more. M3 at 60K+ dollars vs. a RS5 at about 80K dollars- of course your gonna get a bigger and better engine, i mean your paying bigger bucks aren't you?

leelemon - 11/7/2007 6:48:37 PM

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Oops, I forgot one thing. The RS5 matches the hp on an M6 now. If Audi can make it significantly cheaper than the overpriced 100K M6, they will have a sure winner. I'd buy the RS5 over the M6 due to better looks alone.

mini22 - 11/7/2007 6:34:22 PM

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First Audi is not cannabolizing Lamborgini. if anything Lambo is cannabolizing Audi. In fact the Gallardo's suspension is being refined from the R8. The low cost Gallardo is using the V8 from the R8. It might be tuned slightly differently and the Lambo is also lighter. Therefore it should be slightly quicker.Also keep in mind that the V10 in the Gallardo is developed from an Audi block originally. The Murcealago has an original Lambo V12. However that is soon to change when it is replaced by a new model.Putting a V10 in the RS5 will certainly push the price well above an M3 I would guess. What does an RS6 cost?

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MunichRob - 11/7/2007 6:52:48 PMView My AgentSpace

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I doubt Audi would throw or could even fit that engine into the RS5, unless it was a heavily detuned version of the Garllado's engine. I thought they already had troubles fitting it to a front engine layout in the S6's egine bay.

Anyhow I don't think this segment calls for or a V-10, I'd be happier to see a 500hp V8 in the RS5 so BMW doesn't screw up the M3 with yet another 2 more cylinders.

Besides it wouldn't be smart for Audi to do so, what they'd gain in straight away speed they'd loose in corners.

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S4cabriofoxone - 11/7/2007 10:12:23 PMView My AgentSpace

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Hmm, perhaps you're right. You have very valid points.

But you never know... they may end up with something incredible.

I don't really care what engine is in it, because I know the RS5 will be another masterpiece.

chewy - 11/7/2007 8:04:11 PMView My AgentSpace

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I am thinking it would be a twin turbo V8. Such and engine would make 465hp+ easily and get better fuel economy than the current RS4.

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GermanNut - 11/7/2007 9:30:00 PM

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The RS5 I heard will come with 485 horsepowr and 480 lb/ft. of torque. If that torque prediction is indeed true, the BMW M3 will never win the straight-line test between these two.

Considering the A5 is a better handler than the current A4 which is the basis for the B7 RS4, the RS5, if the predicted numbers are correct, combined with the improved handling would make for easily the best performance coupe on the market for under $100K.

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S4cabriofoxone - 11/7/2007 10:16:43 PMView My AgentSpace

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I think we should stop comparing it to the M3. I want both. Really.

dayday - 11/7/2007 11:00:03 PM

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i don't think Audi would put a V10 into Rs5. its totally out of the scale. and what about their Rs6? they will just mass up the whole market.

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henbmw - 11/8/2007 12:14:48 AM

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BMW needs to buy Ferrari ASAP

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S4cabriofoxone - 11/8/2007 5:27:24 PMView My AgentSpace

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lol

EnvyofyouRS5 - 11/9/2007 1:01:24 AM

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The bavarians could not put a price on Ferrari. EVER.

Lemantech - 11/8/2007 6:42:00 AM

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yeah and the v10 would make the audi too nose heavy. Just stick with the v8.

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Whelan - 11/8/2007 11:08:44 AM

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So if the S5 is a competitor to the M3, then the RS4 is a competitor to the M3 as well? I guess I'm a little lost, unless the RS4 is competing with the M3 coupe and the S5 is competing with the M3 sedan?

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Whelan - 11/8/2007 11:09:03 AM

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I meant to put that vice versa

S4cabriofoxone - 11/8/2007 5:31:31 PMView My AgentSpace

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I'm sick of this. Let me put it simply: Audi's engine positioning strategy does NOT directly compete with BMW's. They are in-between BMW's entire lineup. In the case of the A6, for example, it goes:

528xi > A6 3.2 quattro > 535xi > A6 4.2 > 550i > S6 > M5 (this one could be swapped with S6, since many reviews place it higher than the M) > RS6

S4cabriofoxone - 11/8/2007 5:32:00 PMView My AgentSpace

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Of course, I made all of those greater-than signs going in the wrong direction.

ThierryHenry14 - 11/8/2007 11:34:40 AM

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Very doubtful a V10 will make it to a compact executive class.

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2ndbimmer - 11/8/2007 1:38:59 PM

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gangster!

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amazinBimmer - 11/8/2007 5:11:48 PM

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m3 will have new tt version. will always dominate this class.

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S4cabriofoxone - 11/8/2007 5:28:49 PMView My AgentSpace

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It seems as if BMW has rediscovered turbocharging. Of course, Audi had a bi-turbo V6 seven years ago. They also had a bi-turbo V8 four years ago. But they're past that now. I think BMW should be, too.

GermanNut - 11/8/2007 6:35:45 PM

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If Audi does a turbocharged V6 B8 S4 and a turbocharged V8 RS5, BMW will obviously have to turbo its M3 to stay competitive.

Man, looks like BMW is tracking Audi's every move.

First the spyshots of a rumored twin-turbo M5 after the RS6 debut, and now BMW will surely respond to Audi's decision to turbocharge the S4 and RS5.

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amazinBimmer - 11/8/2007 7:53:59 PM

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another idiot comment. BMW got to the the turbocharged 335 first. and its a beauty. sure, you are not retarded?

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S4cabriofoxone - 11/8/2007 9:09:48 PMView My AgentSpace

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What are you talking about? The 2.7T A6 and S4 were around seven years ago. Audi is simply following tradition--the B6/B7 S4 was a break, and it wasn't as nimble as the one before it, I'd be the first to admit that. My brother has a Stage III chip on his S4 2.7T and it's a monster.

The 335i is beautiful, yes. The S5 is moreso.

GermanNut - 11/8/2007 10:23:28 PM

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another idiot post by amazinBimmer.

The turbocharged Audi S4 was around when BMW had the E46 3-series body style and obviously there was no turbocharged engine offered in the 3-series in those days.

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GermanNut - 11/8/2007 10:27:02 PM

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I can't wait to see Audi drop a turbo V6 into the B8 S4 and also turbo the RS5.

BMW won't have any option but to turbo their M3 and try to keep pace with Audi's horsepower figures

Look at the BMW M5, it magically got a revised bumper for enhanced cooling and was tested with a twin-turbo engine right after Audi released their own twin- turbo, 580 horsepower, V10 RS6

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MunichRob - 11/9/2007 4:46:28 AMView My AgentSpace

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What are you back from the future "Nut?" Since when did Audi release the RS6 & BMW a revised M5? Assuming you meant there were spy-photos released recently of an M5 with larger intakes being tested, my guess would be it's the next-gen model.

BTW nut what do you expect BMW to do, not pay attention to what Audi, Mercedes, Lexus or even Jag are up too these days? Of course they're keeping close watch, there's a reason as to why BMW’s #1, they keep stepping it up as others fall behind.

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GermanNut - 11/9/2007 12:58:53 PM

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Obviously MunichRob, BMW has not released a twin-turbo M5 yet.

I was stating that a twin-turbo version of the M5 with a supposed 600 horsepower has been seen testing right after Audi released their twin-turbo V10, 580 horsepower, RS6.

I expect people to realize that BMW considers Audi a competitor.

It is so blatantly obvious that BMW is watching Audi's every move.

Consider BMW's horsepower output and even cylinder counts for the M3 are the exact same as the Audi RS4 and pretty soon the M5, which already has the same number of cylinders as the Audi RS6, will have twin turbos also and likely the same horsepower rating

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MunichRob - 11/10/2007 6:42:52 AMView My AgentSpace

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The M3 has 414hp which tells me BMW could care less about Audi's 420h RS4! Not that it’s blatantly obvious that Audi has been watching BMW forever, n/m BMW Audi the past couple of years.

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S4cabriofoxone - 11/11/2007 4:28:31 PMView My AgentSpace

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Are you kidding?

1. Both the Audi RS4 and BMW M3 have 414hp in the US, 420hp in Europe

2. BMW is only giving the M3 a V8 because the S4/RS4 exist

britbox - 11/10/2007 9:41:12 PM

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Everyone is forgetting one thing. The RS5 is meant to compete with the M3 CSL, which will be lighter and tuned appropriately.

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audispy - 11/10/2007 10:53:22 PM

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The RS5 is going to me competition for the M3 and will be priced in the same range (This will probably limit what engine they will use). and as I understand, the upcoming A7 will be competition for the 6 series which means there might be an RS7 to compete with the M6.

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britbox - 11/12/2007 10:09:08 PM

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there is no way the RS5 will have the Lambo 10 cyl. in it for 65 grand. No Way. So it will be competeing with the M3 CSL dual clutch which will out handle it but the Audi will probably blow it in straights. Dude, they are both gonna be sick, thats all.

SpeedfreakJoe - 11/11/2007 7:12:36 AM

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We don't want "expected to" it's not confirmed yet! it's too early to tell! The M3 is domninant right now! the 335i dominated the S5 and the S5 has 50hp more! so we can't say anything unless we compare them!

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britbox - 11/11/2007 6:08:21 PM

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And when it does arrive the M3 CSL with dual clutch will be here to take it on.

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