Shoot Out - RS4 vs. IS-F "Bout of the Middleweights"

it is good to see that Audi set the benchmark 3 years ago with the RS4 / to bad they don't make the RS4 anymore. The new RS5 will be hot

— IamEvilHomer (View Profile)

Posted on 4/26/2008 4:56:55 PM | | Votes: 1   

You have to be a grand champion to know what fun is? I had a G35 sedan as a rental, lot's of fun, but it got old quick....

RS4 is a legend

— aarononymous (View Profile)

Posted on 4/24/2008 9:02:38 PM | | Votes: -8   

theres always an excuse

— stash84 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/24/2008 9:51:24 PM | | Votes: 3   

Yea, a G35X may get old w/ the auto and AWD, but a G35 S w/ Manual and RWD does not get old each time u drive it it makes u smile and the fact that the payments are so low, lower than a 328 or C300.

— StickShiftCamry (View Profile)

Posted on 4/27/2008 3:12:10 AM | | Votes: 1   

we heard you the first time

— ILikeLambo (View Profile)

Posted on 4/24/2008 11:16:23 PM | | Votes: 3   

Have you even driven one???

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 8:40:29 AM | | Votes: 2   

I have driven both the Audi and the IS-F. The Audi is nice but nowhere near the fun of the Lexus. both cars are fun to drive and I would probably drive the Audi as the daily driver but the IS-F with take your breath away.

— Notjustlex (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 10:31:27 AM | | Votes: 2   

Will take your breath away..

— Notjustlex (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 10:32:04 AM | | Votes: -1   

S4, yes I have driven one. I drove an 06 A4 and was extremely dissatisfied. The center console is weird and unsymmetrical, the ergonomics were uncomfortable and oddly unsettling, and I wasn't impressed with the comfort of the seats. It didn't really stand out driving either. They're just a bunch of overrated cars.

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 4:09:35 PM | | Votes: -1   

"S4, yes I have driven one. I drove an 06 A4 and was extremely dissatisfied."

Are you JOKING??? You're going by your experience with an A4 and thinking that's what the RS4 is like? I thought you would know better than that!

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 4/26/2008 1:07:44 AM | | Votes: 4   

it really is..its unlike any other lexus..especially suspension/control..sounds amazing..and it doesnt get old quick..looks great in person..most people who disagree are judging it before driving it

— stash84 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/24/2008 9:54:58 PM | | Votes: -1   

I'm not bothered in any sort of way. It doesn't matter what others think, it's what you think.

— Carboy (View Profile)

Posted on 4/24/2008 9:22:10 PM | | Votes: 0   

I was just thinking the same thing. This is the first time I've had a positive boost rating since I can remember!

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 1:06:54 AM | | Votes: -5   

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO... LOL!

— lexusrox123 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/24/2008 8:08:55 PM | | Votes: -8   

"and by the way, just cuz im a german car fan doesnt mean i like to rant about how superior the germans are and how their amazingness will take over the world"

youre one of a kind

— stash84 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/24/2008 9:57:53 PM | | Votes: -4   

Audi fans/drivers seem to more objective and open minded and can appreciate a good car like IS-F... they don't have that childish/immature mentality like a BMW fan who will blindly lash out at the first opportunity :)

maybe that's why not much reaction here...

— sector (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 11:43:08 PM | | Votes: 1   

yes but it's SO FUN!!!!

— aarononymous (View Profile)

Posted on 4/24/2008 9:07:11 PM | | Votes: -1   

top gear thought the ISF was better than the M3.

— macker83 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/24/2008 9:12:20 PM | | Votes: 4   

and it wont..it doesnt handle as well as the m3 but its just as quick..it has a much nicer interior and it costs less..its all about what you like and how much you value each car's advantages..

— stash84 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/24/2008 10:01:02 PM | | Votes: -2   

Top Gear did NOT think the isf was better than the M3.

In fact they said the isf was "flawed", the exact quote is "It's flawed. It's not for the hardcore among us. "

And for the M3 they said "The M3 is the best all-rounder".

— AdHominem (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 5:12:33 AM | | Votes: 2   

stash it only costs a few thousand less, but that is easily made up in the free full maint. for 4 years / 50k miles by BMW. The interior isnt nicer. The plastic , Platinum trim , looks very cheap around the gearshift lever. It is very plasticy sound when you tap on it. It is also quite a bit smaller in interior size compared to the M3. It is not as quick especially on a track. I have driven both on the same day in succession 2x on the same track. The M3 blows the doors of the IS-F

— BMW4me4ever (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 10:06:36 AM | | Votes: -1   

TopGear also said there is no clear winner

— KZ258 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 11:44:45 AM | | Votes: 4   

m3 fully loaded is 67k. isf 62k. my maintenence for 5 years only cost 1400.00, so it is a few thousand difference. the m3 is quicker around the track, its lighter and its manual, but 0-60, quarter mile, its just as quick (depending on the driver) most people dont shift as quick as "professionals". the interior of the isf does have less room but imo, looks waaaay better that the m3, im not tapping on plastics or valuing each individual piece. the interior as a whole is nicer. even if the m3s interior costs 5k to build, the 300 hundred dollar lexus interior looks better, unless you like plain, boring, german interiors

— stash84 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 12:20:26 PM | | Votes: 2   

exactly, c'mon the music and cut scenes when he drove the Lexus........

— aarononymous (View Profile)

Posted on 4/24/2008 9:11:44 PM | | Votes: -6   

No mention of no LSD.

— AE86 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/24/2008 9:16:33 PM | | Votes: 1   

psst ... BMW sells the most Luxury Cars in the US. Lexus sells the most sport ute vehicles in the US. UNfortunately, Lexus sells more RX's than BMW sells 3-series. 60% of the sales in the US for Lexus are the RX series.

— BMW4me4ever (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 10:09:58 AM | | Votes: -5   

bulldogz ... the 3-series just like the c-class, just like the G35, the acura tl, & the lexus RX350 or ES350 will always consist of the majority of luxury cars sold .... I was commenting on the fact left by bimmerfan in regards to lexus selling the most. Of the 56%, about 40% is the 328, 30% the 335, 20% are the coupe variants and the last 10% is the conv. actually most of the 3-series sold in the US is from the $37k range to the $50k range.

— BMW4me4ever (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 12:00:24 PM | | Votes: 0   

"BMW4me4ever"

WTF!!!! You stated BMW was the #1 brand in U.S. in Sells!!!!

Lexus has been the #1 Selling Luxury brand in the U.S. for I don't how many years because I lost count...And they will continue that trend for years to come....

— silver1 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 12:27:42 PM | | Votes: 3   

What do sales have to do with it. The Ford Explorer was the best selling SUV in the U.S. for a long time and it was one of the biggest pieces of crap ever, along with the S-10 blazers. I like both cars personaly. The M3 is for the enthusiast. the ISF is for someone who wants to have their cake and eat it. Luxury, extremely fast, automatic ETC. I think it delivers about 90% of what the M3 does, but much easier to have as a daily driver for those who don't have the patience for a manual or want something that shifts smoother than a DSG in automatic mode. Bottom line is all of these sedans, be it the M3, ISF RS4 AMG all have their unique traits that appeal to different buyers. I wouldn't call either one of them a POS or say one is better than the other because they are all better than each other in certain areas. Audi with its AWD, AMG with its build quality, M3 for being the hard core no frills track car, and the ISF auto, smooth, somewhat like a hot rod, along the lines of the AMG, with the v8 auto, etc. less hard core but still bad to the bone. Me personally I'd take the M3 but I will admit the AMG or ISF would probably be easier to live with especially in traffic. If I were up north, I'd take the RS4 so that I could have my performance year round, rather than seasonal. If I were to old or my body was too stiff to live with a manual I'd get the Benz or the ISF.

— 85bmw745i (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 9:30:11 PM | | Votes: 1   

No, it actually hasn't. This is the only test in which both have been involved and the IS-F beat the RS4. Check your facts, please.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 8:44:14 AM | | Votes: 1   

gobama ...ML Performance? which car and in what category. Lexus hasnt led a performance category. Engine Refinement? Lexus has won only 1 engine of the year award. BMW has won 19 engine of yead awards. Actually, I would say BMW has that lock atock and barrell so to speak.'

gobama. you and some of your cronies are so ridiculous in your regards to Lexus. As are some of the German fans. I will say at least you provide a good laugh for some of us at your ridiculous statements.

— BMW4me4ever (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 10:15:16 AM | | Votes: -2   

Commitment to the environment? Ha!

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 12:43:20 PM | | Votes: -3   

"BMW4me4ever"

ML performance..

He's speaking of the World's best sounding in car factory audio sound system 19-speaker Reference Surround Sound System the "Mark Levinson" when he mentions ML...

Only the Audi's Bang Olufsen, and Acura ELS comes close...

— silver1 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 12:48:23 PM | | Votes: 0   

I whole-heartedly agree with your assesment of the moron Lexus fans.

However, the rest of your post showing your attitude towards Lexus, is just as bad.

Lexus does not have the history of the German lux brands. No intelligent person would say otherwise. But at the same time, no intelligent person would say history is all that matters.

By your logic, any video game console that doesn't say Atari on it is a coat-tail-riding poser. Or any non-Superman comic book is devoid of merit.

Get over it. Stop using the complete jerkoffs like goobama as an excuse to crap on Lexus.

If you don't like Lexus that's fine, but why hate on the brand? Would you prefer everyone to have the same damn car?

Lexus did the same thing Lamborghini did. They made a successful entrance into an already well-established market segment.

If you hate Lexus for not being original, you had better hate Lambo too.

— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 2:52:59 PM | | Votes: 4   

I like Rc Cola, but I love my BMW's. I like how you put that though. ;-)

— 85bmw745i (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 9:33:03 PM | | Votes: 1   

So building car that is almost equal in performance and ever so reliable is not something to praise?

I would think that would be a more accomplished technical feat. - on the part of Lexus.

— sector (View Profile)

Posted on 4/25/2008 11:58:54 PM | | Votes: 3   

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

4.4 seconds slower

Your ugly ass car blows!

— carnuts (View Profile)

Posted on 4/26/2008 1:28:41 AM | | Votes: 0   

carnuts:
if you like cars that are fast on winding roads( like motor trend track ) there is even better choice than new M3 :

evo x -152,92sec
M3 -154,2sec
135i -156,34sec
c63 -158sec
is-f - 158,6sec

links:

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sports/112_0805_bmw_m3_lexus_is_f_mercedes_c63_amg_comparison/photo_16.html

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/coupes/112_0806_bmw_135_mitsubishi_evo_mr_comparison/photo_12.html

— abcd (View Profile)

Posted on 4/26/2008 4:03:15 PM | | Votes: 1