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Stud Or Dud? BMW Reveals M1 Homage Will Enter Production

Agent009 submitted on 05/29/2008 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 10:24 AM
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Stud Or Dud? BMW Reveals M1 Homage Will Enter Production

The July issue of CAR magazine will reveal later today that BMW has given the green light the M1 Homage Concept to enter production.

While the radical design stays close to home on replicating the essence of the classic M1, it just makes me wonder if it strays too far from BMW tried and trued philosophy of design.

Is it simply too radical, or is that just part of the problem?

Rest assured unlike the previous the M1 built in Lamborghini factories in the 80's, this latest rendition will be solely an in house project most likely powered by a V10 derivative. The target audience for this new super car is the exact same as Audi's successful R8, so lets get set for a showdown of these two German giants once it hits the showroom floor in late 2009 or early 2010.

With all of this flexing of German muscle I am beginning to wonder just how the Lexus LF-A will stack up against this dynamic duo. While it is safe to say the luxury and automation will lean in the favor of LF-A, it just seems a mere 500 hp won't be enough to keep up when it comes time to stretch the legs.

So is the M1 Homage going to be a A Stud or a Dud?

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adamsaf723 - 5/29/2008 10:39:10 AM

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Using the basis for comparison being the LF-A and R8, I am going to have to say DUD!

Especially with those wheels.

This car looks straight out of an 80s movie.

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Kinger - 5/29/2008 10:46:06 AM

+1 Boost

I'm sure the concept will be toned down for production, if this news is legitimate that is...

kthor - 5/29/2008 11:41:05 AM

-11 Boost

Huge Stud.

Porschinator - 5/29/2008 4:59:45 PM

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Adam hit the 80's mark. Def looks like an 80's prototype car and it WILL turn heads but not for the right reasons. hmmm....?

2JayZee - 5/29/2008 6:04:48 PM

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+1 Agree with adam....

Incidentally she has an alright ass.... Butter face, and those have to be THE ugliest wheels on a concept car ever.

kthor - 5/29/2008 7:40:26 PM

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This design has balls. Huge Huge Stud. It's the opposite of the lfa design pablum. Look at it with an open mind and don't be afraid of something new and different.

kthor - 5/29/2008 11:42:24 PM

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It is too strong and beautiful for the weak minded to comprehend. It is brilliant from so many angles. Just when so many cars are looking so similar to each other it is a breath of fresh air to find one with the strength to move freely past convention and expectation.

Kraut_god - 5/30/2008 12:24:22 PM

+3 Boost

nice delorean ripoff.

MaindrianPace - 5/29/2008 11:31:46 AM

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MaindrianPace - 5/29/2008 11:34:16 AM

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Yeah it's a bit retro, but that's not really a problem - it still looks fantastic! It has real character, and even though it may not end up being the fastest of it's competitors (as it may be slightly style over substance) I'm sure it would still be a mightyley fast car!

scorpio - 5/29/2008 11:36:21 AM

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looks like a tacky copy of the original Giugiaro designed M1.

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Peyton18 - 5/29/2008 11:39:32 AM

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this car is simply ugly to me

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SHOWTIME - 5/29/2008 11:40:11 AMView My AgentSpace

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This concept is definitely a DUD! However, I think BMW will change it up enough to make it look good.

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S4cabriofoxone - 5/29/2008 11:45:13 AMView My AgentSpace

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I don't love it from every angle, and it doesn't fit into BMW's current design philosophy, but the dynamics will undoubtedly be up to R8/Porsche-like levels of perfection so it should be interesting. I'm guestimating it will have the M5's V10, or perhaps the bi-turbo V8 with more power, and that it will be $150K.

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DaHarder - 5/29/2008 11:54:22 AM

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This Is Heritage Design Done Correctly... Faithfully Paying Homage To The Original, While Still Looking Forward.

As For It Not Fitting Into BMW's 'Current Design Philosophy', I Say Good... It's Time To Move Beyond Today's Bangled Bungles and Onto Something Much More Dynamic and Aesthetically Pleasing.

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1fstmach - 5/29/2008 12:50:45 PMView My AgentSpace

+4 Boost

So do you have issues with typing words out correctly?

Seriously no need to have a capital letter w/ every word

it is annoying and you look ignorant as hell

S4cabriofoxone - 5/29/2008 4:12:03 PMView My AgentSpace

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I disagree, I quite like BMW's current philosophy and I'm interested to see it evolve with time rather than another "revolution." The 6 Series, Z4 and X6 are rolling art, whether you like them or not, and all of their cars outfitted with "M" bodykits look fantastic.

MaindrianPace - 5/29/2008 12:01:30 PM

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I think it would be toned down a bit for production, more conventional lights would be needed I'm sure, and that would have quite an effect on the front end styling, unless they go for pop up units.

The wheels would obviously change anyway I think, even though when I imagine this vehicle with any other wheels on it, it just wouldn't look as mean.

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040607039 - 5/29/2008 12:45:09 PM

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Looks like nobody knows anything about cars.This "concept" is pure copy of a legend-DE TOMASO PANTERA... BMW nice try

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S4cabriofoxone - 5/29/2008 4:15:03 PMView My AgentSpace

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I know exactly what the Pantera is. It and the M1 had always had very similar side profiles, but the M1 was built by Lamborghini and had nothing to do with De Tomaso.

Funny how things come full circle. Now Audi owns Lamborghini.

Autoegr525 - 5/29/2008 6:21:28 PM

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Volkswagen owns Lamborghini. Audi scarcely owns its own lineup let alone another brand.

S4cabriofoxone - 5/29/2008 9:01:50 PMView My AgentSpace

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Is that simply what you think? Because it's wrong.

"Automobili Lamborghini S.p.A., commonly referred to as Lamborghini, is an Italian manufacturer of sports cars and super cars, based in the small Italian village of Sant'Agata Bolognese, near Bologna. The company was founded in 1962 by businessman Ferruccio Lamborghini, who owned a successful tractor factory, Lamborghini Trattori S.p.A..

Lamborghini is now a subsidiary of the German luxury car manufacturer, Audi AG, which is in turn a subsidiary of Volkswagen Group.[1]"

S4cabriofoxone - 5/29/2008 9:02:49 PMView My AgentSpace

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Another:

"By then however, the German car company Audi AG had gained interest in the ailing Italian company, and in 1998, in a complex series of transactions, Audi AG became the sole owner of Automobili Lamborghini.

Lamborghini's latest owner once again greatly influenced the design of its cars, such as today's Murcielago. Audi's vast technical resources helped produce one of Lamborghini's most sophisticated cars to date."

kthor - 5/29/2008 11:30:35 PM

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040607039, you are the one who knows nothing about abut cars and their histories. The BMW M1 Homage is an homage to its own M1. It's right in the name of the car! They couldn't make it any more obvious for you. If you don't know what "homage" means and and are too lazy to look it up, it is an expression of respect for the work it is referencing.

Autoegr525 - 5/30/2008 12:08:28 AM

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Yes Audi assists the development of Lamborghinis. Lamborghini is unhappy with the results and has said that future models will not rely as heavily on Audi sourced parts. You can find the quote on your own.

S4cabriofoxone - 6/1/2008 12:59:53 AMView My AgentSpace

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The only car Lamborghini is "unhappy" with is the Gallardo, mostly because of its dated-looking interior (has the same nav system, climate controls as my S4) and the fact that the R8 is superior. Yes, they will be using less Audi parts in the future, but not under the hood--only in the cosmetics.

SoSnootySo - 5/29/2008 12:45:24 PM

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OK. This is one of the ugliest things i've ever seen. Some designs belong in the past...

I'm just kidding. This thing is sooo HOT. I want one!
I want BMW to build this latest prototype:

[img]http://curbed.com/archives/2005_03_hotdog-thumb.jpg[/img]

I would definitely buy one.

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answer - 5/29/2008 12:52:50 PMView My AgentSpace

-1 Boost

I dig it.

Especially from the side, it looks cool. A black or white one would be hot.

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carguy68 - 5/29/2008 1:05:53 PM

+5 Boost

ugly mofo!

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M35MT - 5/29/2008 1:19:56 PMView My AgentSpace

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ugly as sin, looks like nightrider/batmobile

Put a Lexus badge on it and this site will start 30 new threads a day on how Lexus sucks because of this car.

yes its a bimmer but that doesnt mean it cant be fugly!

S4cabriofoxone - 5/29/2008 4:15:59 PMView My AgentSpace

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The M1 is a classic design, I am actually liking this car more each time I see it. It's a grower.

PerformanceGuy - 5/29/2008 1:08:09 PM

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Not digging it, have to say Dud.

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KZ258 - 5/29/2008 1:29:31 PM

+5 Boost

R8 > M1

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Star - 5/29/2008 1:55:52 PM

-5 Boost

BMW > Audi... in every single category.

Htay7500 - 5/29/2008 4:07:04 PM

+3 Boost

not in awd.

Star - 5/29/2008 4:27:23 PM

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Not in AWD? What is that suppose to mean. Who cares about the AWD when you can beat it with RWD.
BMW M3 > Audi RS4

and for your information the BMW x drive system is much better on snow than the Audi Quattro system. Do some research first, then come and play with the big boys.

Htay7500 - 5/29/2008 5:14:02 PM

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I wanna see your research 1st. if you claim that xdrive is better than quattro, then why didn't BMW compete them in the rally segment? as far as I'm concerned, their awd is permanent and BMWs is really a part-time system, similar to haldex.

and heres my source:
http://www.worldcarfans.com/2050225.007/audi-quattro-the-early-years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quattro_%28all_wheel_drive_system%29

wheres yours?

Htay7500 - 5/29/2008 5:43:49 PM

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and I can't believe the mentality of these so-called "car enthusiasts" that post stuff in this place called autospies. the next thing will happen will be a lexus LFa article with idiot fanboys saying crap like "this thing will beat the ferrari reliabily and with better mpg..." when no one but toy/lex engineers has been testing it as others bash it with ignorance by saying "lexus can't make a supercar worth trying, they don't got the prestige, it'll be cheaply built and run like crap, etc". why can't we make judgements when it comes out, let alone for all cars that will come out in the future?? you're making yourself look like sh**. and agents, most of us can't make judgements if we haven't seen it in real life. and get off the lexus and bmw payroll!

Htay7500 - 5/30/2008 3:27:14 PM

+1 Boost

I like how star hasn't replied yet.

Star - 5/29/2008 1:58:30 PM

-1 Boost

This BMW looks too much like a concept car. It is stunning but I doubt it will make it to production in this form.

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DROOPYSAKK - 5/29/2008 2:04:06 PM

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this car looks like a catfish,

id take a r8 or even that ugly lexus over this

this and the x6 should just go away.

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cdoke - 5/29/2008 3:19:57 PMView My AgentSpace

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I have to admit that I don't see a catfish in there...

I do, however, think that the front sort of looks like a stylized chipmunk- they managed to turn the kidney grille into the buck-toothed grille. in my opinion.

I don't know...I sort of vacillate about the car, I liked it when I first saw it, then the 80's and 90's got involved and my opinion changed...now I don't know what to think. For the moment let's just say that my opinion is defined by ambivalence.

Peyton18 - 5/29/2008 2:13:47 PM

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I think its funny, I say 'this car looks simply ugly TO ME' and people deboost me like I shouldn't have that opinion...nice

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IS3andME - 5/29/2008 2:15:18 PM

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Great, tone down some of those angles, make black the only color, get rid of the cheese-grater wheels, put the V-10 in, make it 6 liters and 600+ HP, and of course make it light. And you have a winner.

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Hachee2001 - 5/29/2008 2:20:33 PM

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Not digging it. I loved the original, and this just does not look nearly as good. In terms of looks, I'd take the R8. Or maybe the LF-A, if it's over $200K. NOT.

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auto001 - 5/29/2008 2:59:49 PM

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This thing will the star of the show during Halloween. Just call it "Nightmare on M1 street" :)

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SteveL - 5/29/2008 3:07:35 PM

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Its differnt and thats good but with all the other nice cars out there i really do not see this selling well even to a few. But if someone gave ot to me I would not want to sell it.

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autopro - 5/29/2008 3:36:36 PMView My AgentSpace

+5 Boost

DUD!!!

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Star - 5/29/2008 4:06:40 PM

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Hi DUD...I'm STUD!

_43LE - 5/29/2008 4:28:17 PM

+4 Boost

In your dreams.

Audi4Life - 5/29/2008 4:25:38 PM

0 Boost

the m1 look ugly and proportion less compared to the older models

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_43LE - 5/29/2008 4:30:16 PM

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Yuck, this styling is the automotive equivalent of a leisure suit from the 70s, but I'm sure that it will perform nicely.

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Porschinator - 5/29/2008 5:01:40 PM

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On the bright side the wheels can slice and dice your veggies for a super salad!! :) The flanks are not bad but has an ugly face and rear end.

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bclemans - 5/29/2008 5:11:36 PM

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As the benchmark is to beat the Audi R8 (with both the existing V8 and upcoming V10) engines, my expectation is that it will be a stud.

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Porschinator - 5/30/2008 12:27:36 AM

+2 Boost

M1 may be faster but R8 wins the beauty contest!

corelink - 5/29/2008 5:12:41 PM

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I'm sure they'll run into safety regulatory issues with the headlamps and tail lights. It definitely sits apart from the BMW family with it's agressive aesthetic look. Certainly the prod version will be toned down. I think it'll be a stud if/when it's in prod.

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Autoegr525 - 5/29/2008 6:25:13 PM

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It will look much different when it makes it to production. The question is, which motor will they use?

M3 V8
M3 V8 twin turbo
4.4 V8 twin turbo (X6)
M5 V10
M5 V10 twin turbo
6.0 V12 (CS concept)
6.0 V12 twin turbo

Endless possibilities. As for 009's comment "is only 500 hp enough to beat the LFA," isn't the LFA supposed to have 500 hp? The bimmer will probably beat it to production anyway as the Lexus doesn't appear to be making any progress

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Autoegr525 - 5/29/2008 6:26:34 PM

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For anyone who doesn't know, the V12 is the M5's engine with two extra cylinders, NOT the V12 from the 760/Phantom

204E60 - 5/29/2008 9:13:43 PM

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The beginning of this post asks if the M1 Homage concept is "too radical or is that just part of the problem?"
To which I ask, "What problem?" BMW is a very strong company. They do their design research thoroughly. Many years ago, they decided to break from their traditional, conservative values and go out there. Despite a lot of derision among the media, the plan worked; alienating some, but winning others over to the marque.
This new M1 looks like a winner to me.

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amazinBimmer - 5/29/2008 9:37:27 PM

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maindrain.. i boosted you.. mental midgets that deboosted you shoudl take pills.

THIS CAR IS BEAUTIFUL.....

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Bored - 5/29/2008 10:33:35 PM

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Geez, all these negative comments by some of you make me wonder if any of you have any type historical and artistic perspective? For that matter, if you were born before 1985?

If Agent009 threw up a pic of a Lamborghini Miura, would you think that was ugly as well!?

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cdoke - 5/30/2008 1:05:46 AMView My AgentSpace

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Listen,

I admit that my sensibilities run to the classical, but I have many friends who are very much into modern. As a result I have been to Roche Bobois more times that I can count, and I have met people they know who are on the board of modern art museums.

The thing that defines a modern artist is a fundamentally different approach to something. This car has been done before- it is an homage concept after all- and your bombastic pontification that this object should be excused as artistic and avant-garde is complete bull sh$t. The design is fundamentally hackneyed- it DOES look like it is in the wrong decade.

I don't know if I like the car yet, but I do know that I am not delusional enough to believe it is an artisitc masterpice.

cdoke - 5/30/2008 1:08:34 AMView My AgentSpace

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Correction:

"I am not delusional enough to believe it is a MODERN artisitc masterpiece."

cdoke - 5/30/2008 1:31:08 AMView My AgentSpace

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"The thing that defines a modern artist is a fundamentally different approach to something."

There is a bit more to it than that which I wasn't going to add because it just convolutes the whole thing, but I guess it is important enough.

That different approach, in particular for objects that undergo anthropomorphization , cannot challenge the fundamentals of beauty- it cannot be too confrontational. That is the difference between different and strange.

dbtk - 5/30/2008 12:43:04 AM

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When did the original M1 take home a Vector after a long night of drinking?

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MPowerDK - 5/30/2008 2:22:57 AM

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That M1 Hommage is fantastic, it is so close to the original M1 but with some new design elements. We all know that the real new M1 or Z10 or what they will call it, will not look like that, this is just made to celebrate the 30. aniversery for the original M1.

How many of you do even know or have seen an M1? not many i guess. But it was a great car in the late 70s and beginning of the 80s, it raced a lot on tracks. BMW had to built a street version of it to get in the race (thats the rules or was then).

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ChicaneShooter - 5/30/2008 7:48:20 AM

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the front ain't TOO bad; slightly Batmobilish, but at least a change from the stale kidneys.

the 3/4 rear view is atrocious! the bangle butt was bad enuff. now they push that uglyass up to the C-pillar and roofline!???

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Agent63 - 5/30/2008 9:48:36 AMView My AgentSpace

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Some angles of this car looks like a blast from the past. So far it's a DUD.

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SSP350 - 5/31/2008 3:48:49 PM

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Hideous. Dud.

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DW1968 - 5/31/2008 10:36:40 PM

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Dud. Do not want.

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ubercool - 6/1/2008 5:20:56 AM

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110% DUD!!! Exterior and interior are dull, plenty of other cars on offer which have more style than the beemer.
No doubt millions of sheep will follow each other into the BM dealers mind.

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Star - 6/1/2008 9:12:26 PM

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Sheep buys only Japanese..

autopro - 6/10/2008 5:12:38 PMView My AgentSpace

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Come on everybody knows your having sex with a sheep.

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