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Ten Things You Don't Know About Hybrids
I saw this story when I was surfing last night and thought it was very interesting how quickly the hybrid industry is growing. Read Article



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kpaxxkpaxx - 10/3/2007 11:33:40 AM
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This article is pure nonsense. Each point is substantiated with superficial evidence.

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answeranswer - 10/3/2007 11:46:07 AMView My AgentSpace
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Dude. We get that you hate Toyota/Lexus and all things hybrids.

Relax.


SpicyMikeySpicyMikey - 10/3/2007 12:21:55 PM
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Nonsense? It all seemed right on the money. The points were a bit elementary, but, the author stated it was just an overview for those who didn't understand what a hybrid was.

Thanks for the post MG


ShredmoShredmo - 10/3/2007 12:41:23 PM
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The only point that I would question is the environmentally friendly point. First, no motor vehicle is truely environment friendly. Second, this is still being debated, but this article never mentions the battery being produced, recycled and the consequences. Overall, the article was straight forward.


ShredmoShredmo - 10/3/2007 12:42:41 PM
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10X BETTER COMMENT THAN HOUSTONCUTIE2000 WOULD HAVE WRITTEN........

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daytonavioletdaytonaviolet - 10/3/2007 1:33:31 PM
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Interesting article. One of the concerns that I have is about battery life. According to the article, the batteries are designed to last 80k to 100k, or up to 150k in California. But gas powered cars today can last 200k to 300k miles, without a major overhaul. So when a hybrid needs the batteries replaced at 150k, and it's not worth paying to fix a car that old, what happens then? Does the car end up in a junk yard causing junk yards to fill up faster? And will this give cars a shorter service life?

I'm all for better gas mileage, I think that we just need to keep an eye on the big picture to make sure it makes sense.

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LavicLavic - 10/5/2007 8:44:03 AM
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We have a Prius where I work and had to change it at 25,000 miles.


LavicLavic - 10/5/2007 8:45:00 AM
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^^^
The Battery not the Prius.


TheSailorTheSailor - 10/3/2007 4:14:09 PMView My AgentSpace
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This article is silly and it is especially silly to post it on a site like this! I doubt anybody on here learned something new!

It tells nothing new, but they neglect to mention that the cars, though not necessarily expensive in general, are very uncompetitive compared similarly priced cars... Especially when considering that most hybrids will be sold as "green" cars - NOT performance cars! And how about the fact that they are still heavy? And that the technology is still in it's infancy? Or that manufacturers are deliberately choosing not to use the most suitable technology (diesel) to achieve the best possible mileage using hybrid systems?

They even try to make it sound like 80-100k miles is alot! That is less than ten years of use for most cars! And at ten years, most cars will still retain some value, but if you have to pay at least 3k (aren't they way more expensive BTW?) for a new battery, cars ten years old will be heading for the junk yard! Talk about total life cycle emisions!

Basically, hybrid-propaganda! Hybrids have potential, but there is still a long way ago!

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CBR2200CBR2200 - 10/3/2007 4:14:36 PM
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Batteries will be the death of hybrids. Take a $20,000 Prius for example. Assume the batteries live 10 years. Now you have a 10 year old Toyota that needs $8000 in new batteries. What do you think the resale value is on that car? Also dead batteries no doubt will be disposed of improperly causing an environmental nightmare.

Clean diesel is the future. Hybrids will not last more that a decade.

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QwazywabbitQwazywabbit - 10/4/2007 7:01:16 PM
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diesel is the future--albeit temporarily until Hydrogen Power is harnessed commercially. A hydrogen powered car, with technology gleened directly from hybrid tech, will be the future of all automobiles.


1hybrid11hybrid1 - 10/3/2007 10:04:01 PM
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According to Consumer Reports (2007), the Toyota Highlander Hybrid is one of the most reliable midsize SUVS, along with the Lexus RX400h (hybrid). The Honda Civic Hybrid (small cars), Honda Accord Hybrid (Family car) and Toyota Prius also ranked at or near the top in their respective categories for reliability. Toyota's Prius hybrid was the most satisfying vehicle for the third year, with 92 percent of owners saying they would buy or lease one again. In last years survey, 95 percent of owners said they would buy or lease a Prius again.

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neutralneutral - 10/3/2007 11:06:17 PM
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Jesus.....

Im an electrical/computer engineer. I love the idea of hybrids, its cool. However, environmentally speaking, hybrids are rather disgusting. For example, the mine in Canada where the Prius' batteries are mined from (the raw materials that is) has a 5000 meter radius of death. No life grows there.

Hybrids also require LOTS more energy to produce, as well as tons of extra hardware and engineering. I love he idea of hybrids, dont get me wrong. Thing is, GM (and now BMW/Merc) have a system that isn't quite as fuel efficient, but is much more environmentally friendly to produce (BAS system).

Diesel + Variable valve timing + BAS = excellent fuel economy

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EnnNorakEnnNorak - 10/4/2007 2:07:07 AM
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It's one thing to be "cool" but it's more sensible to be financially responsible and consider the negative impact of hybrids on life-cycle cost and overall performance.


huu76huu76 - 10/3/2007 11:26:54 PM
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neutral,
Sudbury mining existed over 100 years ago, so they've been killing the planet long before Toyota existed.
New-age diesels can barely keep up to gas powered cars in emissions plug they require more oil for the same (or less) mileage that you in a hybrid.
Example: diesel gets 30% more mileage over gas, but uses up 30% more oil. Hybrids get 30% more mileage but use 30% less oil. You do the math.

Apparently Eureopeans see diesels as a luxury item (not for environmental benefits) , hence the other articles claim that only 30% of private sales are diesel (not the claimed 50+%). No wonder they're willing to use inferior technology to showcase their stature. Diesel is just a cheaper way to show off their bling.

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BillBill - 10/4/2007 4:28:33 AM
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Full of crap. Nothing has changed. I love Autolies!


EnnNorakEnnNorak - 10/4/2007 2:11:15 AM
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Come now huu76, where would the world be without Sudbury's nickel? Nickel is an important ingredient in many modern industrial alloys that make our civilization possible. I like diesels because of their high torque for mountain driving and long range between fill-ups on long road trips.

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TheSailorTheSailor - 10/4/2007 2:58:55 AMView My AgentSpace
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LOL @ huuey... Still using the same silly old (wrong) arguments...

BTW: Since when have a Peugeot 107 1.4 HDI been a luxury item? Most diesels sold in europe are compacts with small engines... NOT luxury cars! Sure, some people buy big cars with big diesel engines, but that is because they are far more comfortable on long runs because you can cruise at autobahn speeds at 2000-2500 rpm meaning less noise (the extreme torque is a nice feature as well)! And they still save a lot of fuel and money compared to the gasoline cars they would have driven instead!

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