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The ZR1, Supercar? and if so, is it the best bang for your buck?
Has Chevrolet done it? Have they made a TRUE super-car? Put your favorites aside for one second, and ask your self. Does this car belong and in the super-car club? Along side of LP640's, Carrera GT's, Zonda's, SLR's, and Enzo's? I think that the ZO6 was close to being a hyper-car but it lacked in refinement, and off the track it was a little...rough. The interior was the best either, not even close. This was all do mainly to GM trying to make the "blue collar" sports car. Which I think they did. But in a white collar world, it came up a bit short. So, after going back to the drawing board and increasing the power, making some interior and exterior refinements, the Corvette is back and wanting respect. So I ask you, do you think that the ZR1 is worthy of it? The following article is something that I pulled off of autoweek.com to help those that don't know about the ZR1. Let the debating begin, BUT lets try to stay focused on the question at hand.

Blue Streak by Mac Morrison

After four years of denials, innuendo, spy shots, "wink-wink" confirmations and strategically choreographed "surprise" appearances, Chevrolet has released details of its worst-kept secret.

The 2009 Corvette ZR1--referred to during those many months of development as Blue Devil, Sting Ray and Corvette SS--will go into production next summer at the Corvette assembly plant in Bowling Green, Kentucky, and will go on sale in fall 2008. Chevy will not complete official horsepower and torque certification until spring, but Corvette assistant chief engineer Tadge Juechter says to expect at least 100 hp per liter. That equals 620 hp to go along with approximately 600 lb-ft of torque from an all-new, 6.2-liter aluminum-block LS9 V8. Juechter dismissed long-standing online forum speculation that the engine--built at the GM Performance Center in Wixom, Michigan--might produce as much as 700 hp, pointing out that 100 hp per liter is about the maximum for a reliable supercharged engine fit for everyday use.

Bore is 4.06 inches, and stroke is 3.62 (as on the LS3 used in Corvette coupes and convertibles). The LS9 has a lower 9:1 compression ratio than both the LS3 and the Z06's LS7. A new forged-steel crank, steel cylinder liners, titanium connecting rods and intake valves and sodium-filled hollow exhaust valves are all LS7 features, too, but these actual parts are unique to LS9. Twelve-millimeter head bolts (versus 10 millimeters for the LS7) and piston-cooling oil squirters are LS9-only. Pistons are forged aluminum, whereas the LS7's are cast. Valve lift remains 14 millimeters, but overlap decreases slightly in the name of refinement.

"This is not 'Z06-plus'; it's a different kind of car," Juechter said. "Z06 is kind of a lean track machine; this offers all of the performance but also everything else. It's very sophisticated and not purely for track use. It will post faster times at any track than the Z06 will, but it's also a lot more comfortable. It's for the guy who wants it all."

An Eaton Roots-type supercharger breaks new ground. The sixth-generation twin-rotor design uses four lobes on each rotor (versus three on the previous generation) and also twists each lobe 160 degrees (versus 60 degrees). The net effect is a far more efficient blower that requires less power to turn, takes up less space under the hood and weighs less. Spinning at the same speed, the new unit produces 20 percent more airflow with about 35 percent less parasitic drag on the engine. Another benefit is a reduction in induction/supercharger noise.

Rather than using a typical single heat exchanger/intercooler setup mounted directly above the engine's centerline, LS9 uses two outboard-mounted heat exchangers and intercoolers--packaging that eliminates the need for an enormous hood bulge.

With the engine mounted slightly lower than in other Corvettes and the intercoolers' location, the hood bulge is only about an inch high and should not interfere with forward sight-lines. A polycarbonate window exposes the top of the cast-aluminum intercooler cover.

Overall styling does not depart radically from that of the Z06, but several obvious visual cues differentiate the ZR1. The supercharger alone adds about 100 pounds to the car's nose, so engineers offset that somewhat with a carbon-fiber hood and front fenders that feature dual-gill air outlets behind the front wheels. The rear spoiler is new, designed to balance downforce produced by a large front splitter.

Loads of unpainted carbon fiber distinguish the ZR1, including the splitter, roof and its supporting "bow," and rocker-panel extensions. Because ultraviolet light degrades unpainted carbon fiber, General Motors bought a $60,000-per-gallon UV-blocking clear-coat additive that's used in the circuit-board industry. Juechter said carbon-fiber breakdown would have been unacceptable in a car that almost certainly will sell for $100,000 to $125,000.

Chevy skipped the carbon treatment on the rear end, partly because of weight distribution. While the Z06 comes in at 50/50 distribution, the ZR1 is in tune with the base car's slightly more front-heavy 52/48, making traction a concern. Curb weight should be about 3350 pounds, depending on equipment, roughly 200 pounds heavier than the Z06.

Larger wheels and tires also aid traction and differentiate the ZR1 from its brethren. Custom Michelin Pilot Sport 2 run-flats measure 285/30R-19 in front and ride on 10-inch-wide, one-piece Speedline 20-spoke rims; rears measure 335/25R-20 on 12-inch-wide Speedlines. The bigger wheel-and-tire combination weighs more than the Z06's, but total unsprung weight decreases, thanks to the standard carbon-ceramic Brembo brake system. Monoblock six-piston front calipers stop ridiculously large 15.5-inch front rotors, developed originally as front brakes for Ferrari's FXX multi-millionaire track-day special. Rear calipers use four pistons to clamp 15-inch rotors lifted from the Ferrari Enzo's front brakes. Stopping power should be incomprehensible, as the Brembo setup offers twice as much pad/rotor contact area as the Z06's to go along with the typical benefits of carbon-ceramic discs.

As Juechter said, Chevy wants the car to appeal beyond the ultra-hard-core set. Standard magnetic selective ride control, which offers both touring and sport modes, is a key fundamental difference from the Z06. The adjustable suspension allows for reduced spring rates and a more coddling ride, with larger antiroll bars providing enough stiffness to produce racetrack-appropriate handling in sport mode. Corvette's familiar four-mode traction/stability system remains.

Other hardware changes include steering with a mechanically variable ratio, from 17.1:1 on-center to 14.6:1 as you wind on lock. Compared with the Z06's 2.78 turns lock-to-lock, only 2.54 turns are needed. A new 260-millimeter twin-plate clutch handles the engine's torque, as do stronger prop-shaft couplings, driveshafts, ring and pinion and billet-machined steel limited-slip differential housing. The Tremec six-speed manual gearbox is strengthened internally and is a much closer-ratio box than usual for Corvettes. A tall gear allows for speeds higher than 65 mph in first, while top speed is achieved in a relatively short sixth gear rather than fifth, as is the Corvette norm. Chevy has not released performance numbers, but 0-to-60 mph should be less than 3.5 seconds--if you can put the power down efficiently. Expect a quarter-mile time in the low-11-second range, with a top speed between 200 and 205 mph, although 214 mph is theoretically possible, according to Juechter.

GM plans to build ZR1s at a max volume of approximately 2000 per year for the remainder of the C6's life cycle--about four more years--plenty of time for it to stake its claim as the all-time Corvette king.


The ZR1, Supercar? and if so, is it the best bang for your buck?



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DaHarderDaHarder - 12/20/2007 4:27:52 PM
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Between this and Nissan's GT-R...

ALL Super car Rules have Changed!


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truckmentruckmen - 6/29/2008 4:53:03 AM
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This chev is in a different league! Don't get me wrong the Nissan is great too, its just this is in The Ferrari Enzo league.


OblivObliv - 12/20/2007 5:16:40 PM
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Yeah, totally. Right up their with Ferrari and their ricey motor display as well.

Oh, wait...


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DaHarderDaHarder - 12/20/2007 6:03:26 PM
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No need to retract that statement...

It's True!


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OblivObliv - 12/20/2007 6:36:48 PM
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Showing off a masterpiece of an engine isnt considered rice, chucklehead. Be it a Ferrari, corvette, or R8.


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Autoegr525Autoegr525 - 12/20/2007 4:34:52 PM
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The specs haven't been released, and no one has even driven one yet. Let the car do the talking once it hits the steets.

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chuck717chuck717 - 12/20/2007 4:37:48 PM
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Everyday it is about the next 400hp monster and 0 to 60 the real world at least in America is #3+ a gallon for gas, when do we hear about the 40 to 50 mpg car that gets decent power ratings and looks good instead of how fast you can go, BTW where can you go 160mph in America that is any where near civilization?
PS Went to the Infiniti dealer this morning to check out the new EX nice machine, but all the salesmen bragged about was the power when i ask to look at the sticker for MPG ratings his face went pale, 16 city he said in a low voice nobody is buying this for gas milage, that is a sad statement in the year 2007-2008?


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OblivObliv - 12/20/2007 5:21:59 PM
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I dont consider gas mileage as a priority when buying a car. Gas isnt that expensive, and it could be worse. The current Z06 is actually very effecient. High 20s on the highway, and high teens-low 20s in real world driving, I believe. With this being supercharged and the motor being smaller, it will also be just as effecient.
Until they bring over diesels, ill stick with my 20mpg car. I wont buy a hybrid.



1995e341995e34 - 12/20/2007 5:58:11 PM
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sounds like it's time for a big fat gas tax america!!!

we can run, but we can't hide.

i can hear the new rally cry: "no gratification without taxation"




damikcodamikco - 12/20/2007 9:48:23 PMView My AgentSpace
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This is no differnt than buying an expensive watch, gas being moderetly expensive just makes muscle cars and the price of driving them more exclusive like a Rolex.


PorschinatorPorschinator - 12/20/2007 4:38:52 PM
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Sweet car. Several mags said the Z06 looked plain next to the Viper, thus GM replied with more styling queues. They have pulled it off very well and no where near rice! I guess the Corvette pulled a 180 also...see through hood opposite of Ferrari's see through trunk to show the block.

This is definitely a good time for pure power cars. Similar to the 1970's era. Like the 70's era muscle cars it is too bad it will not last too much longer :-P

Gotta see the # stats!!!



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damikcodamikco - 12/20/2007 9:51:14 PMView My AgentSpace
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Stop saying "rice" and demonstrate to the rest of the world that we have some form of class in the statse.


PorschinatorPorschinator - 12/20/2007 4:39:50 PM
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Oh..forgot to mention...GM, LOSE THE CHROME WHEELS!!!!

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EL34EL34 - 12/20/2007 5:27:51 PM
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There are options.

You can customize when you submit your order ;)



1995e341995e34 - 12/20/2007 6:00:06 PM
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chrome wheels should be illegal.


Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 12/20/2007 9:10:42 PM
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As per Edmunds article:

"The Nordschleife on Chrome Rims, Y'all
ZR1 chief engineer Tadge Juechter says, "If a buyer really wants them, he can get chrome wheels on it," although he's letting us know that he would never do such a thing and he thinks you shouldn't either. But the ZR1 isn't a racecar."

So chrome rims is strictly by choice, which I'm sure there will be someone willing to go that route!





1995e341995e34 - 12/20/2007 9:29:43 PM
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jewelery is for women


Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 12/20/2007 4:41:04 PM
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As I have said before, any car that requires that a novice driver like me take the time to learn how to actually drive a potent car like this, rather than have some software or computer program make adjustments that compensate for my lack of skill, is where I put my money...say whatever you want...half the fun is learning to tame the beast...the second half is that your the one in control! Anyone who values a "raw" sports car experience will know what I'm talking about.

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I95SPEEDINGTICKETSI95SPEEDINGTICKETS - 12/20/2007 7:44:31 PM
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Unfortunately the vast majority of those that can afford these cars are not known for their driving prowess, so if they Crash & Burn as a result of a vehicle that catches them out guess what happens next ?

These same guys can afford Lawyers that will find a way to blame the manufacturer for the crash.



carguy68carguy68 - 12/20/2007 4:59:00 PM
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OblivObliv - 12/20/2007 5:22:49 PM
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You dont know the meaning of the word.


OblivObliv - 12/20/2007 5:14:46 PM
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Simply stunning. Its good to hear superchargers are closing in on the effeciency gap that turbos have had. Ive always preferred them due to instantanious power, without lag.
This car is gorgeous, with a beautiful engine. It deserves to be showed off, just as Ferrari does!


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EL34EL34 - 12/20/2007 5:28:59 PM
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Cool!


ThierryHenry14ThierryHenry14 - 12/20/2007 5:21:05 PM
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should be a hellova fast car, but Corvettes are still not my type of cars. Leave it to the Americans.

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lewishamiltonpimplewishamiltonpimp - 12/20/2007 5:51:58 PM
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OK...Thanks.


Htay7500Htay7500 - 12/20/2007 5:51:21 PM
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what about the Z06 though?

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DaHarderDaHarder - 12/20/2007 5:55:16 PM
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I guess when the stage is set, the:

ZR1 - Valedictorian

Z06 - Salutatorian



lewishamiltonpimplewishamiltonpimp - 12/20/2007 6:11:39 PM
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Wow. Shouldn't you be doing your homework? Or your chores.

Give Dad back his laptop please.


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OblivObliv - 12/20/2007 6:33:02 PM
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Tuning? Nobody said anything about a tuner corvette...Not as fast as anything else...
Do you even know your own name?


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lewishamiltonpimplewishamiltonpimp - 12/20/2007 6:59:55 PM
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You're right. Give me a 02 Accord anyday.

With decals.


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KillBotKillBot - 12/20/2007 7:29:06 PM
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Hey 2 fast 2 furious,

Yes, driving a tuner maybe be faster, with 2 turbos and NOS and all the other happy after market toys that you can put a cars now a days. But what you may not realize yet, about driving a suped to the gills tuner, is gonna land you in the garage about once or twice a month, if you're lucky. Cars like these are intentionally toned down a bit, to increase longevity. So, with that being said, if I were to screw with the on board computer to the ZR1, it would dust a 4 or 6 banger tuner you screwed with in your garage. So, wake up and smell the humility junior.


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damikcodamikco - 12/20/2007 9:54:49 PMView My AgentSpace
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By the time you do all of your tuning and taking the time to make sure it works and if it does and wont run for long and will cost more than a vette .

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RupertRupert - 12/20/2007 7:10:05 PMView My AgentSpace
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Supercharged? Check
V8? Check
Lightweight? Check
100hp/litre? Check

This is my kind of car!
And magnetic ride, cool!


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RupertRupert - 12/21/2007 4:49:07 PMView My AgentSpace
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Over priced????
I hate American cars in general, but to discount the Corvette when it's been around longer than Ferrari or Lambo is idiocy.



S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/22/2007 4:45:25 PMView My AgentSpace
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The Corvette is one of the furthest cars from overpriced on the market! Z06 like the GT-R--Turbo performance at a Carrera price.


remixremix - 1/11/2008 6:23:07 AM
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Rupert, I would like to point out that Ferrari has been around since 1929 and started building road cars since 1947. The Corvette era only started in 1953.


djo715djo715 - 12/20/2007 7:20:56 PM
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One of my friends bought an 07 Z06. I had not really given Corvettes any serious thought before, but I was really quite impressed with the 07 Z06- the interior was much more refined, incredible power, and more impressive yet was the low weight - 3150 lbs! But is it a supercar? I don't think the public will see it as that. (ZR1 owners aside, obviously)

The ZR1 is the performance model of a widely available car - in much the same way the Ferrari 430 Scuderia is to the F430, 911 Turbo/GT2/GT3 is to the base 911, Audi RS4 is to the A4, BMW M3 is to the 3 series, etc. Corvette, unfortunately, has too much brand dilution - every Corvette you see takes away from seeing a ZR1 in person. In contrast - take the Enzo, Carrera GT, Zonda, Veyron, McLaren F1, etc. To be a true supercar - they should be rare enough that each sighting is an Event (with a capital E).


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KillBotKillBot - 12/20/2007 7:33:53 PM
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I agree that this car may not have the X-Factor of the Enzo's, SLR's, ect. But that doesn't mean that this car won't be able to run with the big boys. Is this car going to be as much of a head turner as a import, NO. But that doesn't mean that it won't be able to give them a run for there money.

Killbot

P.S. I liked your comment, so props :-)



djo715djo715 - 12/20/2007 9:41:39 PM
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I am not saying it can't run with the big boys - performance wise, its definitely in the same league, no question.

But is it a supercar? To us car fanatics, maybe. But to the John & Suzy Q. Public - this is just another corvette. And unless regular corvettes are produced in low enough volume (like a Murcielago LP640, say) - it just won't bring the "WOW" factor we all expect from a Supercar.

To the GT-R comment by KZ258 - I suspect Nissan tried to address the brand dilution issue by differentiating the regular Skyline (Infiniti G37 here in the states) from the GT-R. I think it remains to be seen as to whether they succeeded, and to what degree.

Cheers,
-Darryl





KZ258KZ258 - 12/20/2007 9:25:50 PM
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its gonna be very hard to change my mind from the GT-R :) I love that car!

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/20/2007 11:40:36 PMView My AgentSpace
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This is the first Vette in a LONG time that looks truly incredible! Bravo!

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yrralis1yrralis1 - 12/21/2007 12:33:28 AM
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1) There's fast
2)There's scary fast

I define #2 upon how well a car can handle itself at the upper speeds and with this car it is my hope that GM can harness the horsepower with manageability .

If they can --it's a winner .
If not --it's downright dangerous .


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fuelfoolfuelfool - 12/21/2007 12:47:05 AM
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No doubt the performance will be incredible. Now if GM would just do something about the horrid exterior. Past Vettes, in particular the 63-67 models, were stunning, but the current Vette is tacky, outdated and just ugly. Especially the cheesy roof. Now, before all you fanny pack, goatee, black jeans with white sneaker wearing haters (you know who you are) reflexively deboost me for daring to speak ill of the Corvette, just know that I am a Corvette fan which is why I would love nothing more than to see it look just as great as it performes.

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I95SPEEDINGTICKETSI95SPEEDINGTICKETS - 12/21/2007 6:43:10 AM
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"fanny pack, goatee, black jeans with white sneaker wearing haters"

Im voting for that to be the "Statement Of The Month"

Good One, had me in stitches.



RupertRupert - 12/21/2007 4:50:14 PMView My AgentSpace
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There is nothing wrong with black jeans and white shoes!!!

Still made me laugh though.



S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/22/2007 4:47:33 PMView My AgentSpace
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Fanny packs???


mini22mini22 - 12/21/2007 12:35:38 PM
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WEll the ZR1 looks to be an incredible machine. However it looks like it's going to cost about 100 grand. If thats the case its 30 grand more then a GTR(assumming there is no price gauging).Also had the ZR1 been tested on the Nordshleife yet? It's got to beat the GTR's time of 7:37.So until we hear more the GTR still wins the "bankg for the buck" prize.

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OblivObliv - 12/22/2007 12:45:41 PM
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Yep, it looks simular to the M6's Carbon fiber intrement panel. Audi's rs4s too!! and..

To hell with it. Its just easier to call you a *&^$in idiot.


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ThierryHenry14ThierryHenry14 - 12/21/2007 4:53:07 PM
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Why do people think that carbon fibre/air vents makes cars a Ricer?

Is it because they have no idea about cars?

Carbon Fibre and air ventilations are products of race cars/high performance cars which actually needs them for saving weight and cooling components. Form follows function. In a RICER, the honda civic will never go fast enough to actually need the big wings, nor will the engine ever heat up enough to need vents. The drum brakes will never need cooling from vents in the side and air dams. The amount of plastic (painted in carbon fibre) in RICERS will never save enough weight to merit performance. You think that RICERS can afford real carbon fibre, ones that even auto manufacturers use sparingly?

Get a life and learn about products before you start to label them.


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amazinBimmeramazinBimmer - 12/21/2007 9:23:28 PM
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still an AMerican POS made by lazy fat, overpaid american workers, with shit 1970s pushrod engineering. Bravo!. Oh and lets not forget that interior designed and built by Fisher Price. Even audi/ VW can get this kind of power from this displacement. I love hoosier americans that keep harping about this posterchild for a midlife crisis. Please buy this is you have a small pen@$s and are fat and balding with a few gold chains for good measure. this is a joke.

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OblivObliv - 12/22/2007 12:55:48 PM
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Careful there! You almost made yourself sound like an ignorant racist!

Funny how that 1970's pushrod engineering still beats the piss out of anything thats come off BMWs showroom, in performance, price, and aesthetics.



germeezy2germeezy2 - 12/21/2007 11:47:34 PM
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Some of you import guys amaze me, does VW Audi have a 620 hp supercar? Have any of you morons ever driven a car with 600 hp?

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OblivObliv - 12/22/2007 12:56:33 PM
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They do. They own Lamborghini :P


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/22/2007 4:50:09 PMView My AgentSpace
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Audi doesn't have/need a 6.2L V8, but they are making 600hp out of a 5.2L V10, so yes.


germeezy2germeezy2 - 12/22/2007 3:15:36 PM
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No kidding? They own Bugatti, to is that a VW or Audi?

ANd 2nd question has yet to be answered. Has anyone of you import fan boys driven a 600 hp car?


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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 12/22/2007 4:49:07 PMView My AgentSpace
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VW owns Bugatti, Audi owns Lamborghini.


germeezy2germeezy2 - 12/22/2007 5:34:25 PM
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I am sorry, but I have a very hard time talking with people about 600 hp supercars. People who proclaim to be experts on the ZR-1 that have never driven a car with this kind or close to this kind of power.

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germeezy2germeezy2 - 12/22/2007 5:35:42 PM
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Funny how that 1970's pushrod engineering still beats the piss out of anything thats come off BMWs showroom, in performance, price, and aesthetics.

This guy knows what he is talking about, I enjoy sending so called high tech M5's and M6's crying home to Momma in my supposed low tech car. =)


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LexusLionLexusLion - 12/24/2007 3:28:58 AM
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The reason Corvettes are priced so low is because they know you'll keep coming back and buying parts (and $$$ in labor) every time it breaks down...

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OblivObliv - 12/24/2007 4:06:23 PM
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No, but okay.

Theyre priced cheaper because they dont tack on useless &$^# like a front view camera, Mr. Fanboilexus. These are performance oriented machines, and the LSx line of motors are very reliable and effecient.




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