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*The performance chart that has ALL BMW's competitors shaking in their boots!

Agent001 submitted on 10/09/2007 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 2:11 PM
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*The performance chart that has ALL BMW's competitors shaking in their boots!

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jeffy210 - 10/9/2007 2:21:05 PM

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Before anyone mentions the IS-F or other cars, realize this is the top trim of the *standard* line of cars.... so CTS (not the -V), C350 (not the C63).

Though in all consideration i would have thrown a A4 3.2 and a IS 350 in there as well.

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JRobUSC - 10/9/2007 3:27:03 PM

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Automobile Magazine left them out, 001 didn't. And I believe they left them out because this wasn't a 5 car comparison test, it was a comparison of the two newest vehicles in the class against the benchmark in the class. I'm sure an in-depth multicar comparison is forthcoming in several magazines. In this case it was simply "here are the new CTS and new C350, and here's how they stack up against the car they're trying to dethrone, the 335i". And the result is that if performance is your key measuring stick, they don't.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/9/2007 4:54:10 PMView My AgentSpace

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Not new for 2008.

farabira1 - 10/10/2007 12:53:54 PM

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001 you used the title "The performance chart that has ALL BMW's competitors shaking in their boots!" and what will any blogger with average intelligence perceive from such use of a sentence? Obviously anyone will think the phrase "All BMW's competitors" includes Audi, Lexus, and Infiniti alongside MB and Cadillac. So i want to explain to you that your choice of words are quite ambiguous because later on you try to explain for your dim witted choice of "title" by saying that you were only commenting on an article that incorporates only MB and Cadillac as the competition, well if so was to be the case then you should have explicitly mentioned that the competitors who were "shaking in their boots" were only MB and Cadillac; because your title implicitly includes the other brands withing this cornered crowd.

M35MT - 10/9/2007 2:32:26 PMView My AgentSpace

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That's funny, this is completely bogus.

The only real 3-series competitor (performance wise, handling and acceleration) is the Infiniti G.

Not to mention the IS350 which is quite fast in a straight line.

001, why are you so suprised? I could make the same comparison with another segment, and leave out key competitors.

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M35MT - 10/9/2007 2:33:58 PMView My AgentSpace

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"Bottom Line"

...You forgot about the rest of the competition, 001.

Agent001 - 10/9/2007 2:39:55 PMView My AgentSpace

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I was commenting on this article which only compared the 335, CTS and C350...maybe you should write Automobile and ask them why THEY forgot the competition? ;)

001

M35MT - 10/9/2007 2:46:00 PMView My AgentSpace

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"Bottom line?

The 335 competitors REALLY have to do some major homework to solve this Rubic’s cube!"

Did you not say that 001? Better a 'reviewer of articles' you should have pointed out that major competitors are missing. Get it yet?

M35MT - 10/9/2007 2:48:56 PMView My AgentSpace

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"For as long as I've been reading car comparisons in the major automotive magazines, I don't remember the competitors getting hammered sooo bad as in this comparo."

For as long I've been reading the, I've never seen so many key competitors left out to claim that "All BMW's competitors are shaking in their boots!"

Agent001 - 10/9/2007 2:52:05 PMView My AgentSpace

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Let me guess...you like Infiniti's? ;)

LOL

001

M35MT - 10/9/2007 2:57:47 PMView My AgentSpace

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I have an unbiased view of all cars...I go by facts. And the fact is, the G is the closest thing to a 335 and it needs credit for it.

However, you should discount the IS350 either.

A comparo of only a few competitors is fine, although, if critiqing it, you should mention who was left out, because BMW only looks this good when compared to MB and Caddy, which have a focus on luxury over performance at this price point.

BMW4me4ever - 10/9/2007 3:35:41 PMView My AgentSpace

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M35mt ... The 335 has already beat the Lexus IS350 and G35 in head to head comparisons. How many more times do those vehicles have to be beaten? Plus the Mercedes and the Cadillac are the new kids on the block and most want to see how they stack up. Unfortunately not very well.

BMW4me4ever - 10/9/2007 3:36:30 PMView My AgentSpace

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M35mt ... The 335 has already beat the Lexus IS350 and G35 in head to head comparisons. How many more times do those vehicles have to be beaten? Plus the Mercedes and the Cadillac are the new kids on the block and most want to see how they stack up. Unfortunately not very well.

M35MT - 10/9/2007 4:10:46 PMView My AgentSpace

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Once again, missing the point. I know that 001 did not write the article. However, he said (in all CAPS) that ALL competitors are 'shakin in their boots'. Not true.

Not to mention, the G35 with the sport package costs 32,400. The 335i with the sport package costs 43,300. That's more than a 10k difference. for .4 seconds to 60. Not to mention the G's engine is 6 years old.

I'm not saying either of them beat the other. I dont favor Infiniti. And 'M35' in my name has nothing to do with an Infiniti.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/9/2007 4:58:10 PMView My AgentSpace

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"However, he said (in all CAPS) that ALL competitors are 'shakin in their boots'. Not true."

I disagree. Let's review:

• It's quicker than everything else in this class--INCLUDING the G35 and IS350

• It has a perfect ride/handling balance

• It gets better mileage than everything else in this class

• It is more refined than the G35, sportier than the CTS, IS350 and C350, and as luxurious as any

• The coupe looks amazing

• It's not overpriced, although the Infiniti makes it look like it is

• It does everything well

Heyhuub - 10/9/2007 2:32:32 PM

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As far as i know the 335i is a class above the C350 and A4 3.2.
Overher the 330i competes with those.

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jeffy210 - 10/9/2007 3:09:38 PM

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The 330i no longer exists in the US. BMW only offers two trims, the 328i and the 335i.

Heyhuub - 10/9/2007 4:13:40 PM

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So we can just ax wel put it against the S4/s5

bmwdrvr - 10/9/2007 5:28:01 PM

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so your saying audi has to charge 10 grand more just to be able to create a V8 powered car that can compete with the 335i well thats hilarious the 335i is about 2 grand more than the 330i it replaces in the US 2 grand how much more is the s5 over the a5 or the a4 over the a4....your saying it takes that much more for the audis to compete with a non performance model 3 series.......and for years the S4 has been compared to the M3,now all of sudden it doesnt just because they are selling the rs4 over here now....excuses...

S4cabriofoxone - 10/9/2007 8:10:11 PMView My AgentSpace

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"so your saying audi has to charge 10 grand more just to be able to create a V8 powered car that can compete with the 335i well thats hilarious"

No, not really. The 335i can very easily go over $50K, in coupe or convertible configuration especially.

Since when do Audis have to compete directly with the BMWs? The standard A4 3.2/A5 3.2 are competing against the Euro-market 330i. They are faster than the 328i models but slower than the 335i's. On the other hand, the S4/S5 are faster, more expensive and more exclusive than the 335s and slightly slower than the M3s. The RS4/RS5 make short work of that.

Audiphile - 10/9/2007 11:41:01 PM

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Touche, S4cabriofoxone! By the way, Road & Track reviewed the Audi S5 in their November 2007 issue. I compared the performance results with their August 2007 review of the BMW 335i coupe. The S5 matched the 335i in the 0-60 dash, barely beat it in the quarter-mile, and trounced the BMW in the slaloms and skidpad. The Audi S5, BMW 335i, Infiniti G37, Audi S4, Cadillac CTS, Mercedes C350 - be thankful we have such a fine selection of high-performance coupes and sedans to choose from.

bmwdrvr - 10/10/2007 8:37:19 AM

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being able to get into the 50's and (thats fully loaded by the way) and starting at the 50's aren't the same thing the 335i sedan starts just under 40, the s models currently start around 50 grand, and go up from there. yet your saying the 335i competes with these cars, and not only that but that audi doesnt compete directly with bmw, and the s models dont directly compete with anything from BMW, ok which is it because that is a condtradiction. the point is in order to even get the numbers that the 3 series is getting from turbo 6, it takes audi thousands more, and a bigger engine with more power, and yet all it can muster is times right there with the NON-PERFORMANCE model 335i, because the M3 is the performance car.....thats pretty amazing for the 335i that is.....but hey if BMW's weren't so good there wouldnt be all these great cars to even compare, all the cars in this class are good choices sans the x-type....

S4cabriofoxone - 10/10/2007 12:20:51 PMView My AgentSpace

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"being able to get into the 50's and (thats fully loaded by the way) and starting at the 50's aren't the same thing"

They are when the S5 has so many standard features. I'd be surprised if it went over $60K, fully-loaded. The 335i convertible CAN go over $60K when it's loaded. The coupe is close.

LexusKindaGuy12 - 10/9/2007 2:33:04 PM

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i dont understand why the cts i there to begin with. lol.

and yes, an audi and lexus woud have helped.

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enthusiastx11 - 10/9/2007 5:20:42 PM

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lol?

the cadillac is getting points in multiple reviews for handling better than the G and the C. only overshadowed by the 3-series in handling. plus it's great looking and has what is arguably THE BEST interior in the class. not to mention it's far bigger inside than everything else in the class.

lenkun - 10/9/2007 2:34:58 PM

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Well yes, that's an unfair comparsion. The top of the trim *standard* IS350, G37 and S4 will definitely tear the 335i apart.

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Agent001 - 10/9/2007 2:38:28 PMView My AgentSpace

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There is no G37 sedan yet and the S4 is priced closer to the current M3, not 335.

001

M35MT - 10/9/2007 2:47:29 PMView My AgentSpace

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Yes, however, there is a G35 sedan. Which will destroy the CTS and C350 the same way the BMW did.

M35MT - 10/9/2007 2:53:19 PMView My AgentSpace

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lenkun-

Those cars wouldnt 'tear apart' the 335, but they would give it fair competition.

TheSailor - 10/9/2007 2:54:36 PMView My AgentSpace

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The IS350 will not tear apart the 335i... Far from it! There is no such thing as a G37 and the S4 is almost 10k more than a standard 335i... So it better be faster... So yes, the G35 and the IS350 should have been included... But maybe, just maybe they don't consider Lexus or Infinity competitors... Anyway, it wouldn't change anything... The 335i is more powerful (since the 306 is very underestimated) than the Lexus and the G35 isn't as powerful!

S4cabriofoxone - 10/9/2007 5:00:07 PMView My AgentSpace

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"Yes, however, there is a G35 sedan. Which will destroy the CTS and C350 the same way the BMW did."

But it still can't catch the 335i.

enthusiastx11 - 10/9/2007 5:22:04 PM

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FYI: the S4 is NOT a 335i competitor even though the 335i surpasses it in many ways. plus it's FAR MORE expensive.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/9/2007 8:13:43 PMView My AgentSpace

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"FYI: the S4 is NOT a 335i competitor even though the 335i surpasses it in many ways. plus it's FAR MORE expensive."

When did I say it was?

Anyway... the S4/S5 could just as easily be argued for as the 335i. It is NOT far more expensive. Option up a 335i coupe and then build a similarly-equipped S5 when it's available-- they will be within $5K of each other. For the V8's power, the interior luxury and the much sexier style, I say it's worth it.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/9/2007 8:16:09 PMView My AgentSpace

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Sorry, make that a 335xi coupe.

I now realize that you weren't talking to me (the "S4" in the beginning drew me to it), but my comment stands.

jmrA480 - 10/9/2007 8:26:52 PM

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true, go price out a 335xi to a s4, the s4 is about 4k more with the same options. BMW is almost as bad as porsche with all the options.

When your spending over 50k, 4k-5k more is not alot at all.

DaHarder - 10/9/2007 2:51:00 PM

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This is all so... MOOT!

It takes a pretty silly/irresponsible driver even give a flying F__K about how fast their vehicle goes from 0 to 120... At least here in America, where this ability is wasted anyway.

And if it's a Bragging Rights issue, I find these individuals to be even more immature!

All three of these vehicles have performance limits far beyond 95% of the individuals who drive them, and that's all that matters.

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utahnkid - 10/9/2007 3:26:14 PM

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Worst. Logic. Ever. Maybe if this website was devoted to being "green" or a website for fleet car managers to meet up at, then what you said would ring true. And the 0-whatever races are just a method of measurement. How else would they tell us how fast they were? I don't look at the BMW's 0-120 numbers and think, YES! The next time I have to race someone to 120 mph I'm gonna smoke them.. I'm thinking more like well that means when I'm on the freeway and I need to pass someone, it won't take more than a little pressure on the pedal to make it happen. And just to give you some frame of reference, the 0-60 numbers on a car are actually really important to me. It gives me some idea of what the car is going to feel like when you put the gas on. I'm not saying that means it should be just as important to you, just that to some people it weighs heavily on their car buying decision. And in my opinion it takes a pretty silly/irresponsible/lazy car buyer to just look at 3 cars and say: well screw it, their all fast and can perform to a level I'll only see maybe 5% of the time.

enthusiastx11 - 10/9/2007 5:26:13 PM

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that's where handling sets the BMW apart. you can feel that at ANY speed. and boy does it feel good good good. ; )

DaHarder - 10/9/2007 7:18:12 PM

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Please!

Not a single one of my BMW vehicles (over the past 20+ years - including my current e46/M3 and E54/4.8is) feel as though they're performing 'at the limit' at ANY speed, nor would I want them to.

Yes, they are (typically) fine driving vehicles, but Seriously...

GET A GRIP!

DaHarder - 10/9/2007 7:27:25 PM

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1. I do feel that 0-60 times makes sense, as do stopping distances etc., but this 0-120 idiocy is simply ludicrous... Which is very much what a typed (O-120). So please try to shoot for a modicum of accuracy if you're going to attack what someone has posted.

2. As an owner/driving of numerous BMW vehicles over the past 20+ years (including my current E46/M3 and E54/4.8is), never has any of them felt as though they were performing AT The Limit under all driving situations, nor would I even find that desirable.

Wow! Get a Grip!

TheSailor - 10/9/2007 7:43:03 PMView My AgentSpace

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I will agree with you that the 0-120 doesn't have much to do with the every day driving, however it is a VERY good indicator for the overall performance level of the car... That is a fact!
I know it is very rare to actual do a full 0-120 acceleration (unless you are comming out of a service station on the autobahn at two in the morning) but it is the best way to find out if your car can perform at highway speeds (and beyond in europe)...

enthusiastx11 - 10/9/2007 8:04:57 PM

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Da:

i never said it performed at the limits at any speed. please don't put words in my mouth. you can however get great feedback and feel very connected to the car at any speed. something the competition simply fails to match.

0to60 - 10/9/2007 2:53:08 PM

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Bottom Line, I think someone was a little biased when submitting this article Agent001....

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david999 - 10/9/2007 3:03:17 PM

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No doubt the 335i has terrific performance capability, but comparing it to a
Mercedes C350 or CTS is not really playing cricket.

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S4cabriofoxone - 10/9/2007 5:02:17 PMView My AgentSpace

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The CTS has more horsepower- 4, to be exact. So why not?

And it's obvious that, like everyone else in this class, Mercedes-Benz had the 330i/335i in their sights when developing the new C350.

enthusiastx11 - 10/9/2007 5:27:50 PM

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really? so what should it be compared to?

TheSailor - 10/9/2007 5:33:00 PMView My AgentSpace

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Nahh... It should be compared to a S63 AMG and maybe the imaginary LS650L... So we could all make sure it got properly beaten!

henbmw - 10/9/2007 5:39:21 PM

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How?? Are they not all luxury sport sedans? Are they not all priced between 30-45k? Are these the best engines the manufacture has to offer for these models (excluding the uber-sedans)?

Stop crying bias when people advertise the brilliance of the 335i. It deserves all the praise it gets, and then some.

GLover - 10/9/2007 3:04:27 PM

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Ahh, the most obvious question is WHERE is the G35 and I350 is the "camparo"? I seriously doubt that the people considering a 335i are looking at the Cadillac! Sorry Agent001

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DaHarder - 10/9/2007 3:12:35 PM

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Again, I fail to see the logic in comparing the CTS with these lesser (in both size and equipment) vehicles.

The CTS is a Mid Sized Vehicle... Not a Compact - PERIOD!

Compare it to the 6-cylinder 5-Series/E-class/A6 variants, and then you'll have a point.

golfer38 - 10/9/2007 3:14:40 PMView My AgentSpace

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He's not comparing them, Automobile magazine is!?

TheSailor - 10/9/2007 4:00:17 PMView My AgentSpace

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I'm sorry... But I have to disagree as I am considering both the 335i and the CTS... But then again, I'm Danish AND I care more about what I think of the car than what other people think...

JRobUSC - 10/9/2007 4:11:41 PM

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As I pointed out earlier, this isn't a full comparison test, it's an article about the two newest entries in the class and how they compare to benchmark of the class. This is not a 12 page, six car shootout. It's "here are the two newest entries, and performance-wise here's how they measure up against the 335i, top dog in the class". If you don't want to see the 335i on top then switch to a magazine that isn't about vehicle performance. I'm sure if Audiophile Magazine did the writeup on the car stereos the results would have been flipped. But this was Automobile Magazine, and it was about performance for the two new models versus the standard bearer.

enthusiastx11 - 10/9/2007 8:09:04 PM

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i agree with you sailor.

the CTS is the only car in the class i'd consider besides the 335i. the CTS is just that good looking and has such a great interior. and the reviews are saying it's second ONLY to the BMW in terms of handling.

golfer38 - 10/9/2007 3:12:44 PMView My AgentSpace

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I think its interesting how the CTS had a shorter stopping distance, especially considering its a lot heavier than the others. Also, the 30-70 mph was pretty close.

BTW if you load up a 335i its almost 50k which is right where the S4 is in price, so I would considerate a competitor or at least I wouldn't rule it out based on price.

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SHOWTIME - 10/9/2007 3:13:32 PM

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Is that the new 306HP CTS? If so then I'm dissappointed!

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golfer38 - 10/9/2007 3:17:55 PMView My AgentSpace

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Good question, I heard 5.9 sec 0-60 out of that motor. At 4000+lbs., I wouldn't be surprised.

IS3andME - 10/9/2007 3:17:30 PM

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Was this the CTS with the FE3 suspension? Or was it a base CTS?

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Porschinator - 10/9/2007 3:48:05 PM

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Would have been nice to have specs on each car within the article to compare. Which is heaviest, best handling, type of power plant, etc... Not just drag numbers. CTS and MB C do not have the turbo and I can assume they weigh more without researching. The latest 3 series is ugly with the coupe being the better looking version so luckily the 335i comes in sedan form to help sell. CTS and C350 are under powered for the weight.

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S4cabriofoxone - 10/9/2007 5:05:02 PMView My AgentSpace

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"Which is heaviest, best handling, type of power plant, etc..."

The CTS weighs the most.

The 335i has the best handling.

The Mercedes has a 3.5L 270hp V6, the BMW has a 3.0L bi-turbo inline six and the Cadillac has a 3.6L 304hp V6. There, done.

carfan33 - 10/9/2007 4:06:13 PM

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seems that the cts was again chosen because of price, not size. If based on price, I would like a comparison between a 335 and a vette.

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carfan33 - 10/9/2007 4:08:27 PM

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seems that the cts was again chosen because of price, not size. If based on price, I would like a comparison between a 335 and a vette....or even the outgoing cts-v.

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kablaam - 10/9/2007 4:15:02 PM

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The 335i already beat the G37:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=121462
"And by most standards, the Infiniti G37 is an impressive car and a lot of fun. But it isn't as quick as the BMW 335i, nor does it engage its driver with equal commitment."

The 335i also beat the IS350:
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=120903
"Purposeful, coordinated, powerful and still the benchmark. The new twin-turbo 3 series has it all. "



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henbmw - 10/9/2007 5:42:45 PM

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Thank you for that. Now will the crying please stop now

TheSailor - 10/9/2007 6:53:59 PMView My AgentSpace

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LOL... The crying will never stop until somebody beats the BMW... And that will most probably be a few years! The only company I can see having potential is Audi... If they decide that they need a direct competitor, they could do a TFSI-version of the 3.2 liter V6. Now that would be sweet! Audi has the technology at hand to make an equally powerful, equally refined and equally economic engine as the BMW engine! They could develop such an engine in less than a year... The other companies need at least two to three years to develop a turbo charged Direct fuel injection engine (which is the only way to achieve a worthy competitor) to be able to compete!

The BMW is just so far ahead of the competitors right now! Faster, smoother, better handling, more economic and just so much more fun than any other car in the segment!

Agent001 - 10/9/2007 4:17:35 PMView My AgentSpace

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We just got a call from Cadillac PR mentioning these test parameters were not fair because the 335 and C350 were tested on dry pavement in the USA and the CTS was tested on the ring in Germany in the rain.

Here's is the exact quote from the article:

"Our 6.6 0-to-60-mph time was measured under less-than-ideal conditions on the fly in Germany; it likely would have been a few tenths lower if we had been able to test the CTS in Michigan, as we did the BMW and the Benz."

001


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Agent004 - 10/9/2007 4:54:13 PMView My AgentSpace

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It's nice and cool here in Boston, have then send over the CTS and I will take it to the New Hampshire Speedway to get dry track numbers.

henbmw - 10/9/2007 5:43:40 PM

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Still would have gotten whooped.

kablaam - 10/9/2007 4:20:44 PM

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P.S.: The 335i also beat the S4 around Nuburgring per "Sports Auto": http://bmwblog.net/?p=210





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Heyhuub - 10/10/2007 9:57:30 AM

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The S4 Avant, which is the station wagon. Plus it's the 2003 model, so it's not so weird it's gonna get beaten by a 2007 car.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/11/2007 9:56:39 PMView My AgentSpace

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OMG, a RWD coupe beating an AWD wagon that weighs 400lbs more. What a surprise!

Bill - 10/9/2007 4:49:07 PM

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The "underpowered" C350 did pretty well against the Cadillac. Interesting.

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bigTYME - 10/9/2007 4:54:05 PMView My AgentSpace

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The figures for the CTS look like its the standard engine. The Direct Injection engine should do better than that. As for BMW. The 335 is no doubt the fastest in the segment. This article is BS anyway. For a major car magazine to not compare an Infiniti G with the 3 series, is pathetic. The 3 series and G35/7 have the biggest fued in the segment. All this shows is how much greater the 335 is than the bottom of the list (performance-wise). The article wouldn't get much attention if they had put the G35 in the comparison. Nice one Automobile.

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JRobUSC - 10/9/2007 5:20:53 PM

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oh for crying out loud, THIS WASN'T AN IN-DEPTH COMPARISON OF ALL THE VEHICLES IN THE SEGMENT. It was three cars, and purposely three cars -- the two newest additions to the class that are BRAND NEW for 2008, and the car considered the class leader that they're up against. THAT'S IT. There was no G35, no Audi A4/S4, no IS350. Because they're no good? No, of course not. Because Automobile and Autospies (who had nothing whatsoever to do with writing the article) are all up on BMW's nuts? Of course not. How about because the article was ONLY ABOUT THOSE THREE CARS, the two brand new ones against the benchmark. I'm sure sometime in the next six months there'll be plenty of multi-car full comparison tests. This was not one.

Ironman273 - 10/9/2007 5:01:25 PM

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I know it's a different magazine, but since the tests aren't together anyways here are some numbers from Car & Driver:

IS350
0-60: 5.1
1/4 mile: 13.7 @ 104mph

G35
0-60: 5.2
1/4 mile: 13.9 @ 103 mph

Hardly a huge difference if these cars were included.

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bmwdrvr - 10/9/2007 5:22:24 PM

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well to be factual, the mag that you got your numbers from also picked the 328i over the g35...with that said the G35 is no match for the 335i...by all means the G is the closest to the 3 series "performance" wise but it lacks alot of things that makes the 3 series, best in class, and other class leaders have refinement...this class is about more than just a sports car handling, and power in a compact/mid size sedan. thats what evo, stis, charger srt, stuff like that is for. It seems like a class below the 3 series, and the IS350 has speed, but mags dont seem to think it can handle, and especially not as well as a 3 series, the IS has lost to the 330i....and not just that but all of those cars have been tested countless times....why not compare the newcomers, to the class leader that makes sense

Ironman273 - 10/9/2007 5:37:38 PM

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I'm not saying they would beat the BMW, just that the gap isn't as large as this particular article would make you think.

M35MT - 10/10/2007 10:25:00 AMView My AgentSpace

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Ironman, that was the only point I was trying to make earlier. Yes the 3 is the benchmark, didnt deny that. However, if ALL of the competition was included, it wouldnt look like it had such a lead on everyone. I don