These Are Pretty Grueling Tests On The New 2008 C-Class

None of you guys can say that BMW's and Mercedes Benz's aren'treally well engineered. They go through alot of similar tests.

— themassmauler (View Profile)

Posted on 12/21/2006 10:37:04 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

When the German and American cars are as reliable as the Japanese cars all will change for the Japanese when their sales will plummet.

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/21/2006 11:34:38 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Dream about what? Toyota (i.e Lexus) invented the word customer service. They take care of their customers better than anyone else so when a yuppie latte drinking loser brings in his/her Lexus to a dealership for repairs/service, they get pampered like no other...so no complaints.

Admittedly, you won't get that sort of service from German car dealerships...which most definitely SHOULD give that level of service due to the prices on their cars.

As far as reliability goes, they're pretty much the same.

— nozferatu (View Profile)

Posted on 12/21/2006 12:04:51 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Well where I live the toyota dealership treats you like crap and they overcharge you for parts and service. While the Mercedes dealership treats you with respect and are very helpful.They never overcharge you.

— jt716 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/21/2006 12:50:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Lexus Is a great car , no discusion on that. But to say that More luxurious and more prestigeous than MB, that is bull shit. MB still the most prestigeous brand from Germany. Now I know you will disagree but almost any German Brand have more prestige than lexus. I do agree, Lexus is going up but there is long way to be so prestigeous as MB. Regarding Sport Driving still behind. Reliability they are ahead, but must of the people needs more than relaibility and sadly that is the only thing that Lexus offer for now. They are realy good and the German automakers do not take care of the future lexus could be #1 of the world very soon. I still prefer germans cars but I can't denie the achivments of that great company. Thanks to them MB, AUDI and BMW are doing great cars for and the furture, only the time will tell you who will be "THE ONE".

— Yonder7 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/21/2006 1:19:05 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I NEVER STATED that Toyota has good service...I said LEXUS has good service. Toyota service is atrocious in most dealerships I've visited. Very bad. But Lexus is a different story as far as customer service goes.

My point is that given the money you pay for German cars, they should be offering better service than they do...even for VW. VW is NOT a cheap entry level vehicle anymore...yet you'd find better treatment in a Kia dealership believe me. That's very pathetic indeed.

German culture does not instil humility...and it is reflected in the way they do business. The difference between Japanese and German cars is not that great. Cars have to have a certain level of reliability to qualify as good products viable of being sold anyway. The difference then comes in how the buyer is treated after the sale.

Prestige is in one's head...if you think a diamond is worth something, then yeah...I guess it's "prestigous" to wear one on your ring. If you think having leather in your car is prestigious, I guess you'll have leather in the car instead of cloth. Fortunately for marketing firms, people are truly dumb enough to fall for that garbage.

— nozferatu (View Profile)

Posted on 12/21/2006 5:45:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Mercedes is the ultimate automotive brand in the world, and looking at this video, I feel comforted that I recently bought another masterpiece..

— theman (View Profile)

Posted on 12/21/2006 6:51:42 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

nozferatu,

Why you go and do all us car enthusiasts a favor and go away, you know, back to your low-cost Japanese runabout and stop spreading your obvious jealousy and hatred toward those who have the funds to purchase a decent car.

I bet if you drove any new Mercedes model, you would be very impressed. Much better than whatever junk you own.

How do I know you drive junk? Because you don't know much about cars. And those kind of people don't buy nice cars.

— Matthew1 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/22/2006 5:04:25 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I feel sorry for anyone who would purchase a car for prestige.

— ryaajus (View Profile)

Posted on 12/22/2006 11:06:01 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Matthew...you sure know ALOT more about me than my neighbor does...which is amazing given that I've written about 4 sentences in this post. You know what I drive, you know how much I make, you know what's important and what not, you're amazing Matthew!

Have you thought of taking on the job of psychic? You'd do very well.

But what you wouldn't do well in is reading comprehension and intelligence. Why? Because all the things you stated are completely off-base. I didn't choose a German car over Japanese cars or visa versa...YOU did. I don't care about petty ego stroking garbage like prestige..YOU do. If I purchase a MB, it wouldn't be so that I can look down at people who drive anything else...unlike you.

What you have shown to everyone here is how shallow you seem to be based on your utterly stupid and ignorant comments.

Drive a MB you say? Wow...are you that arrogant to think it's a big deal to go to a dealership and test drive a Benz? Or that I don't know people who own them? I've driven a few. Sure they are nice cars...but neither worth the money nor the prestige trolls like yourself seem to drool with.

I've got the funds believe me...I just think it's rather retarded to pay that much for any car. But if you want to piss away almost 1k/month on a car including insurance, etc...be my guest. It's your money.

I just hope most MB owners aren't as shallow, ignorant, or as judgemental as you.

Fact is, I don't really like Lexus that much...but I'm not that closed-minded and blinded to not acknowledge the FACT that they make superb cars, over customer service that MB owners like you can only talk about while hitting your golf ball into the ditch. So yeah, there's jealousy...but it's most definitely oozing out of you.

— nozferatu (View Profile)

Posted on 12/22/2006 1:48:31 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I find it hilarious that people are talking about driving exciting cars and then mention MB in the same sentence. Granted, Lexus, Toyota are very uninspiring to drive...but there's nothing MB offers that's exciting to drive. If people quantify exciting as AMG fast exciting, there are plenty of cars that are quick. Perhaps the MB crowd here are the typical staunch republican style idiots who have their egos bruised to easily to admit the $60K sedans they are rolling around in are about as bland to drive as a Lexus? Prestigious...absolutely. Exciting...uh...NOT.

A $30K EVO will put a smile on your face quicker than any MB will. But then again, none of you MB freaks would be caught dead in a car like that because it's all about performance...not ego....although dick-slapping an AMG driver in a canyon road with one would surely work wonders for the ego would it not?

I'll be the first to say, AGAIN, that I'm not a Lexus fan...nor would I ever buy one. But I'm not sure why it hurts some of you SO MUCH to admit that they make brilliant cars well within the same calibre of MB...history or not.

— nozferatu (View Profile)

Posted on 12/23/2006 1:57:51 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

theman
are u sure u r a man ???

U broke the record of Mathew for the most dumbest,off-base and ignorant comment.

Lexus is the champ of the category u r talking about.

Get lost u looser.

JUGNU

— JUGNU (View Profile)

Posted on 12/23/2006 12:50:19 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

THEMAN...

Please let us know what exactly Lexus DOES NOT have that MB does have....other than prestige?

MB...the best automotive brand in the world? How so? Who says? By what terms?

Lexus is slow? Bad handling? It's been going after BMW for a long time now and it's safe to say the two are quite close in performance. I'm quite certain most BMWs can put most MB in their back pockets in acceleration, braking, and MOST DEFINITELY handling. So for Lexus, the only benchmark MB sets for them is luxury...nothing else.

So tell us THEMAN...what do you find exciting about the MB driving experience? The super-quiet interiors? The luxurious ride? The smell of the leather? The super-conservative feel the car exudes? What is it? What makes it so exciting that you are apparently wetting your pants over?

I've sat and driven regular and AMG level MB before...the AMG's (if they have the engines also not just the stupid kits) are alot quicker but that's about it. Straightline performance does nothing for me unless the car can actually do something with in around a corner. Frankly, MB was never made for that and for good reason..because buyers, drivers, and fanatics like yourself don't care about it.

As for my comparison of the EVO to the AMG cars...my reasoning was clearly to point out the falicy of the idiot Matthew who thinks a prestigious and more expensive car like a MB is by all measures superior to lesser cars. Obviously untrue.

And Lexus not being compared to an AMG...of course not. Lexus NEVER intended to make a competitor to an AMG...it makes their cars compete with the regular line of MB and does it superbly.

There is nothing that MB does that Lexus does not do. If you don't like the look, feel, or ride of a Lexus, fine...I have no argument there...it's a personal choice in that regard.

But for you to come in here and slam Lexus, a car maker that has placed incredible pressure on MB for years now to make cheaper, better quality cars, is a very impressive.

Lexus makes cars that are more reliable than MB and backed with customer service that German car owners can only dream of during Oktoberfest. If that burns your ass....well..tough shit.

— nozferatu (View Profile)

Posted on 12/23/2006 1:41:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

1) Perhaps because they are credited for the fact that they basically invented the "car", and the internal combustion engine, and have pionered traction control, seat belts and countless of other innovations...Respect the company for the giant it is, the best automotive brand in the world.

2)Most BMW's cannot put the Mercedes in thier back pockets in terms of accelaration and deaccelarion, BMW's are only superior on a track (handling)..For example, the E63 AMG can kill the M5 on a line..So, that obviously puts Mercedes ahead of BMW which in turn puts it ahead of Lexus..

3)I find Mercedes exctiting because of thier exterior styling, thier power and thier presence on the road..I love the S class, the CLS, the E, the SL etc...

4)MB is not as good around a corner as BMW or Audi, but they are still excellent, and still much better than anything Lexus offers..

5) Prestige and "more expensive" does make a car superior, that is why you buy a Mercedes or a RollsRoyce or an Porsche, its all about the image and how people percieve you..And frankly Mercedes is excellent in that department.

6)Ok, so Lexus doesnt have anything to compete with AMG, doesn't that in itself end the argument??Proves Lexus to be a regular product with a bland portifolio..Ok fine, lets compare the new S500 class to the new LS460? The S does I think 60 in about 5, while the LS does the same in 6...I might be wrong, but what I understand is the S class is superior in terms of performance..

7) You came on an MB post and slammed Mercedes.

8) Lexus is a good brand, but has ages before it reaches to the level of Mercedes..Mercedes does have crappy customer service, and USED to have reliabilty issues(the new generation is flawless)..

— theman (View Profile)

Posted on 12/23/2006 4:10:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

""8) Lexus is a good brand, but has ages before it reaches to the level of Mercedes..Mercedes does have crappy customer service, and USED to have reliabilty issues(the new generation is flawless)..""

You don't know what the reliability is going to be...it's not out yet. So saying is flawless is ludicrous....and besides...they're playing catchup with Lexus...which is ironic given all we've been talking about.

— nozferatu (View Profile)

Posted on 12/23/2006 6:09:26 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I respect your opinion, but I seriously dont see how Lexus can be better than Mercedes in any catgory..Even reliability which was an issue for Mercedes is non-existant ever since the new generation Merc's rolled out..

Prestige....Mercedes is the obvious winner..Driven by royality, elites, enterpenuers world wide, and featured in your fav rap video..

Heritage...Again Mercedes

Performance...Seeing as there is no performance oriented cars from Lexus, I wouldnt even classify it as eligible for this comparsion..

Exterior Styling...I know this is subjective, but Lexus's boxxy bland styling is no comparision to the artstic elements on Mercedes cars..

Interior...Go inside the new S class, seriously, you will even admit..

Reliablity..Lexus is the obvious winner, but Mercedes is coming from the shadows and going back to building cars they way they used to..

Technology...This is a tie..

I dont see how Lexus can win..But again everyone has his taste, everyone has his opinion..

— theman (View Profile)

Posted on 12/23/2006 9:59:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Actually the toyota lexus dealership is one. Still crap you send for service your comes out with more probs it never even had. While the VW Ford Lincoln Mercury and used to be the Mercedes dealership is the same we live on an island. And exceptional quality of service they will do any thing while at the Toyota/Lexus/Mitsubishi/GM they overchanrge you bad like $300 service for a corolla and for a fusion they charge you about $120 so there you go...

— jt716 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/30/2006 1:10:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1