Toyota ranks highest in ethical reputation study

i dont know much about the subject but it does sound like "provoking"

— stash84 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/17/2008 2:08:04 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Well Japan had invaded China and killed more people than the holocaust ever did...they were hardly ethical. Read up on the Rape of Nanking.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 4/17/2008 3:08:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Additionally: 'On August 6, 1937, Hirohito personally ratified his army's proposition to remove the constraints of international law on the treatment of Chinese prisoners.'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_of_nanking#Historical_background

And they didn't kill more than the holocaust in the Rape of Nanking, I was wrong. Still, 250,000 in a few weeks is a lot. All civilians.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 4/17/2008 3:12:27 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

How many civilians have died as a result the the Vietnam and Iraq War?

— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 4/17/2008 3:28:49 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

Thanks 43LE. Its so easy to tell someone else their shit stinks without first smelling your own!

— 0to60 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/17/2008 4:03:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

I don't know how many have died, and I don't particularly care about Vietnam, my country was never involved in that.
Iraq's a thorny issue, and meaningful stats are hard to come buy. Most records of civilian deaths are made by asking 'do you know someone who has died'. Very unreliable.
However, your question is rather odd. The Japanese government and army deliberately killed civilians, and a lot of them, in a very short period of time. 1000 rapes a night was what one commentator said, just in one city.
The US, for all its failings, does have the side of 'morality'. Very misguided morality, maybe, but at least they're trying. And the US have never (as far as I know) killed 250000 civilians in 6 weeks. Not just young male civilians, but children, babies, women and the elderly. Think about it. We all love US bashing, but what the Japanese did is a largely overlooked atrocity.

And 'as a result of' is a very different thing to 'murdered'.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 4/17/2008 6:48:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Rupert - the difference is - Hitler attempted to exterminate an entire people based on their religion, for the benefit of the "superior race".

There is nothing more F'd then that.

— M35MT (View Profile)

Posted on 4/18/2008 8:11:52 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

Imagine how well Toyota would do if they didn't force their employees to work 80 hours of overtime each month for *no* overtime pay.

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http://www.economist.com/world/asia/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10329261

Death by overwork in Japan

Dec 19th 2007 | TOKYO
From The Economist print edition

Japanese employees are working themselves to death


HARA-KIRI is a uniquely Japanese form of suicide. Its corporate equivalent is karoshi, “death by overwork”. Since this was legally recognised as a cause of death in the 1980s, the number of cases submitted to the government for the designation has soared; so has the number of court cases that result when the government refuses an application. In 1988 only about 4% of applications were successful. By 2005 that share had risen to 40%. If a death is judged karoshi, surviving family members may receive compensation of around $20,000 a year from the government and sometimes up to $1m from the company in damages. For deaths not designated karoshi the family gets next to nothing.

Now a recent court ruling has put companies under pressure to change their ways. On November 30th the Nagoya District Court accepted Hiroko Uchino's claim that her husband, Kenichi, a third-generation Toyota employee, was a victim of karoshi when he died in 2002 at the age of 30. He collapsed at 4am at work, having put in more than 80 hours of overtime each month for six months before his death. “The moment when I am happiest is when I can sleep,” Mr Uchino told his wife the week of his death. He left two children, aged one and three.

As a manager of quality control, Mr Uchino was constantly training workers, attending meetings and writing reports when not on the production line. Toyota treated almost all that time as voluntary and unpaid. So did the Toyota Labour Standards Inspection Office, part of the labour ministry. But the court ruled that the long hours were an integral part of his job. On December 14th the government decided not to appeal against the verdict.

The ruling is important because it may increase the pressure on companies to treat “free overtime” (work that an employee is obliged to perform but not paid for) as paid work. That would send shockwaves through corporate Japan, where long, long hours are the norm.

Official figures say that the Japanese work about 1,780 hours a year, slightly less than Americans (1,800 hours a year), though more than Germans (1,440). But the statistics are misleading because they do not count “free overtime”. Other tallies show that one in three men aged 30 to 40 works over 60 hours a week. Half say they get no overtime. Factory workers arrive early and stay late, without pay. Training at weekends may be uncompensated.

During the past 20 years of economic doldrums, many companies have replaced full-time workers with part-time ones. Regular staff who remain benefit from lifetime employment but feel obliged to work extra hours lest their positions be made te

— TurboSpyder (View Profile)

Posted on 4/17/2008 12:11:47 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

So did the German. That was in the past. What is your point in the current affair?

— hatepusss (View Profile)

Posted on 4/17/2008 3:01:07 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

fact: toyota cars are very reliable
fact: japanese did invade china and kill a lot of people in the past
fact: german did kill a lot people in the past

whether covalence is ethical in conducting this so-called ethical survey: no one knows.

and i don't think japanese and toyota is ethical

— oscarseah (View Profile)

Posted on 4/17/2008 11:38:51 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

when Adolf Hitler was in power, he commited genocide of more than 6 million jews. more than double of what japan did to china and the US during WWII.

— Htay7500 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/18/2008 8:55:52 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

and he joined forces with facist Italy and the Empire of Japan which became the axis powers, conquering all of continental europe, going against GB and the US. but you sound really uneducated, so none of this means anything to you.

— Htay7500 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/18/2008 9:05:58 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

I don't believe in people that don't believe the holocaust. What rock have you been living under? Or, are you just being a troll here?

— _43LE (View Profile)

Posted on 4/18/2008 2:40:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

Then you're a f***tard.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 4/18/2008 2:51:23 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

By the way you can be sent to prison for saying that in Austria.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 4/18/2008 2:51:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

somebody ban this uneducated, antisemitic redneck.

— Htay7500 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/18/2008 6:58:05 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

i cant believe evilm! at first i thought he was a stupid german fanboy. "i dont believe in the holocaust," LOL! now i know that evilm is REALLY stupid!
btw, in addition to 6 mil murdered jews, nazis killed 5 mil non-jews (homos, gypsies, anyone in hitlers way)

— lexusrox123 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/18/2008 8:48:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

"btw, in addition to 6 mil murdered jews, nazis killed 5 mil non-jews (homos, gypsies, anyone in hitlers way)"

and the mentally disabled.

— Htay7500 (View Profile)

Posted on 4/18/2008 8:59:56 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4