UPDATED: First pics of the production Hyundai Genesis

Not bad at all.
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— TauronB2G (View Profile)

Posted on 11/18/2007 10:34:08 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Oh my gosh! Can't Hyundai think for themselves? I'm sorry, but this car is EXACTLY the reason I hate Hyundai so much. It's like an Infiniti M, Infiniti G, a last-generation BMW M3, and Lexus LS all got fused together.

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/18/2007 10:40:07 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

nice...despite all the imitations

— chris760 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/18/2007 10:53:00 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

I like it

— cad1cts (View Profile)

Posted on 11/18/2007 10:59:20 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Very nice.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/18/2007 11:17:07 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Theres a bit of Honda Accord in the face...not original at all. Steals from every other car maker, just in the same fashion the xg350 stole from Bentley. Really pisses me off

— Mate (View Profile)

Posted on 11/18/2007 11:47:23 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

it's nice for the money.

can't really expect them to lead in design at half the price...so they imitate like many brands have done in the past...

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/18/2007 11:48:03 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Wow, looks like the Lexus LS460 has met it's match.

Oh My!

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/18/2007 11:51:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

In case you hadn't noticed, good looking cars aren't always GOOD cars. Let's wait until the Genesis gets reviewed before we make ridiculous claims like that.

— henbmw (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 12:36:18 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

I'm not a retard and I would buy a Lexus or Infiniti without a second thought over a Hyundai. The real question is: What kind of retard would buy a Hyundai because he thinks it's a luxury car?

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 12:49:43 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

lex - you just answer your own question.

— maikoazu (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 10:36:17 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

i have a 02 civic that has 110,000 miles..i have never done any maintenance except basic tune ups and the timing belt recently. on the other hand, my gf has an 02 hyundai that has gone through 2 transmissions, a major engine problem and a couple weeks ago, it finally died :( i have another friend that had alot of problems with her hyundai before she got rid of it

my point is : hyundai is not reliable..even if they "copy" other designs and offer a good looking car at a decent price, they still need to work on their reliability before they can beat the "competition"

it does look pretty nice..but they have a long road ahead of them

— stash84 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 12:12:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

I was replying to someone's comment that got deleted. I thought this was a little random so I just want everyone to know that it had a subject.

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 2:33:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

i see lexus as a luxury automaker, then infiniti is next, but not acura. lol

also you ask who would buy a lexus or infiniti now? sure, the genesis look good on the outside, but its still a hyundai and because of that, it will gain no respect from customers looking into luxury cars.

— LexusKindaGuy12 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 1:10:08 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

I don't know. Hyundai and Kia have filled the gap where Toyota and Honda have not (lower priced, reliable point-A to point-B vehicles). So why not in the luxury segment?

If enough people "perceive" that it's luxury and they are more price-conscious they will buy it. Look how the luxury segment has grown as a percentage of sales over the last few decades. It's not just with cars. It's with everyone.

Luxury diehards who want CACHE would never buy it, but they wouldn't buy an Acura, Lexus, or Infiniti either. They'd go for a Benz, BMW, Audi, Bentley, or Rolls. So, I think there's a segment out there for it, the "wannabe" segment. Obviously, Hyundai thinks it's out there too.

— Auto_expert (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 1:38:05 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

if the Azera went after the LS460...does this go after the maybach?

— LexusKindaGuy12 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 1:10:34 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

I agree. Lexus shouldn't be looking down their long noses at Hyundai. If people perceive Hyundai as "quality" they will start making decision based on price.

Seems to me that Lexus has their head so far up M-B's butt that they can't see what coming around the corner.

Note to Lexus, stop trying to be BMW or M-B. You will never be like them, nor SHOULD you be. You got to where you are by being different.

THEY make driver's cars. YOU make reliable cars. You aren't going to win my M-B or BMW converts. They are two totally different buyers. I know very few people that are on the edge here. You either prefer one or the other.

— Auto_expert (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 1:49:06 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

^^ whats wrong with making reliable drivers cars ie. isf?

— LexusKindaGuy12 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 2:04:04 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

you know nothing about cars
you should consider changing your username

— zorbeeze (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 1:31:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

You mean pics of the Toyota Camry facelift?

This really mimics the Toyota Camry. Seriously, I thought Hyundai made ugly original cars, not ugly rip-off bash ups of Toyotas. Not that the Toyota Camry (it looks a bit like the Toyota Aurion a smidge) is that good looking but it isn't bad.

— nine (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 4:17:25 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

What a joke...When is Hyundai ever going to try and be somewhat original?

— MunichRob (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 4:34:28 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

LEXUS got a sniff against MB & BM purely on price now Hyundai will break Lexus on price.

— xj13 (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 4:37:16 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Not bad, but those rear lights look like they were ripped of a current E60 BMW 5-Series and slightly reshaped...

— Bill (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 4:46:26 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I like the way this car looks. By the way, Hyundai has not said they would not establish a premium brand. They have only said it was not likely right now.

Both the BH Coupe and Sedan are pre-cursors to the launch of their Genesis premium brand.

— acronis (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 6:31:35 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.

— scorpio (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 11:02:18 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Looks better than the GS without a doubt, not too far from looking better than the LS. But...much cheaper, and in time they will indeed screw Lexus over. Although they will never become Lexus, which is something Lexus infact need to learn when they thought they would become MB when they were established.

— Czelinski (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 12:08:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

I like this. And the coupe they have. They won't take any sales from away from Lexus or MB right now because the perception of Hyundai is still, even though they're light years better now, just another crappy car company. And even though their cars are pretty good now, its going to take them a while before they're taken seriously by the general car buying public. But this is a step in the right direction. Who cares if it looks like an LS or a 5 Series? All design ideas get regurgitated and reused over and over by all the car companies.

What new car out now looks completely original from any other car new or old? I think some of you are upset because they've taken design cues of much more expensive cars and put them on a car at half the price, like its cheapened them in some way. But so what? Lexus, BMW and MB they need this wake up call. It'll only bring about better, more capable(and cheaper) cars in the future. The great thing about competition is that we as the customers will always benefit from it. So I applaud Hyundai and I'm happy to see them making "conversation starting" automobiles.

— PlanB (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 12:11:06 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Doesn't look bad, but I think Lexus will be just fine. Lexus is a premium luxury brand and its sales numbers speak very clearly. I really doubt any of the luxury brands should be very concerned. It may be nice and offer all the bells and whistles, but I just don't see people spending 39k on a Hyundai. The majority of people I know won't even consider the brand for anything. This is not a knock on Hyundai. I'm sure Hyundai will sell their cars and continue to grow and their sales numbers will keep rising. I see this is an upgrade for current Hyundai owners and enthusiast. I doubt many will cross shop a Lexus LS with this car as a lot of people are brand oriented. Don't expect rappers to be sporting Hyundais in their music videos anytime soon.

— SVTruong (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 12:38:58 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

"but I think Lexus will be just fine. Lexus is a premium luxury brand and its sales numbers speak very clearly."

Not in Europe though, because we don't see the point in paying for an expensive Toyota. Where as Hyundai in their own name, at modest pricing could indeed take Lexus' place for the luxury Asian motor company, although this will take a few years.

— Czelinski (View Profile)

Posted on 11/19/2007 1:03:12 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

"Even if Hyundai put a v12 in their, how would you lure people of that 39k income bracket out their Mercedes, BMW, Lexus, into a Hyundai?"

Because you can get nothing in a Lexus, BMW or Merc, or get everything in a Hyundai, for $39K. That's exactly what Lexus did, and look where they are now. They had ZERO luxury brand recognition then, just like Hyundai.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/20/2007 7:01:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Compare the front of this car to those of the Hyundai Azera and Veracruz. It's a combination of the two, and IMO, it looks quite attractive.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 11/20/2007 7:02:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

maybe this could be like the Mazda Millenia, Mitsu Diamante, or as mentioned above, the VW Phaeton. now that I think about it... 39k is steep for a Hyundai, regardless of what features and amenities it may have.

— SVTruong (View Profile)

Posted on 11/20/2007 11:16:25 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

and that trunk lid and the tail lights have a very close resemblance to the current 5-series...

— SVTruong (View Profile)

Posted on 11/20/2007 11:17:57 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I am laughing at all the "copying" comments

No car design is "origninal" anymore everyone copies off someone

it happens

But that is a small part of the "package"

— 1fstmach (View Profile)

Posted on 11/20/2007 12:04:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Not a bad first stab at entering the lux segment. I'll reserve real judgement until I see/drive one in person. Get pissed if you want about the non-original styling, but taking styling cues from successful lux models is not a reckless move. If the looks cause you to think about other luxury marques, then I'd say that Hyundai made a smart move.

Also, the article is in Korean & I didn't see any prices in SKW that would convert to $39k - so where did the $39k price come from?

Assuming a $39k price point, what do you get for "$39k"? A V8, RWD, mid-large sized car w/luxury ammenities... Who else offers a package like this for under $40? No one.

I hope the car is successful & forces other makers to develop less costly RWD platforms. Say what you want about Hyundai, but they are improving with every new model - while others like Toyota & Ford seem to be flatlining.

— ElSparquito (View Profile)

Posted on 11/20/2007 12:23:19 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

This is a great car for people with bad credit and lower income families.

— autopro (View Profile)

Posted on 11/20/2007 12:59:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

The number of comments in this thread tell their own story. Whether negative or positive, you can't argue that people are interested enough to have formed an opinion... It's success in the market place will tell it's own story...

I for one am intrigued to know if Hyundai can acheive what AFAIK no other manufacturer has successfully acheived: offering both value led products AND more upmarket products under one single brand name and be ranked as 'desirable' by the target markets. Luxury EXports to the US was Toyota's approach, and no denying it worked, but does it represent a lack of confidence on Toyota's part when they entered this arena? Will Hyundai stick to it's guns by retaining the one and only brand name for all it's family of vehicles, accepting it will take longer to overcome brand pre-conceptions?

— racinghart (View Profile)

Posted on 11/23/2007 9:52:07 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

You guys with your copy-cat rants are hilarious... maybe you weren't around back when the first Nissan/Infiniti Q45 and the Toyota/Lexus LS400 came out around 1990. They were complete and utter rip-offs of the BMWs and Mercedes of the time. Afterall, how better to gain market share in the luxury car division than to copy exactly what the successful brands are already doing and do it for less money? Sounds like Hyundai finally caught on and I hope this car succeeds.

— joe_camel (View Profile)

Posted on 11/23/2007 9:01:07 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1