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Volkswagen Outstrips Toyota To Be Worlds Biggest Market Value Automaker
Volkswagen AG today surpassed Toyota Motor Corp. to become the world's biggest automaker by market value as the shares benefit from hedge-fund trading strategies and the collapse of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc.

Volkswagen is up 190 percent in 2008 after surging as much as 55 percent today. The owner of the Audi brand was one of only four stocks in the Dow Jones Stoxx 600 Index that rose yesterday in the European gauge's worst decline since October 1987, making the carmaker this year's best performer on the continent.

With analysts forecasting profit growth will slow to 1 percent in 2009 from 17 percent this year, the Wolfsburg, Germany-based car producer's earnings outlook isn't boosting its price. Instead traders who shorted the shares on expectations they would decline on Porsche SE's bid for a majority stake were forced to close their positions, according to three people in the securities-lending business who declined to be identified. The failure of Lehman, which lent Volkswagen shares to short-sellers, probably helped trigger a so-called short-squeeze, they said.

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TurboSpyderTurboSpyder - 10/7/2008 12:33:49 PMView My AgentSpace
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Oct. 7 (Bloomberg) -- Toyota Motor Corp. fell to the lowest in more than four years in Tokyo, losing its spot as the world's largest automaker by value to Volkswagen AG amid rising concerns that global growth is slowing following the collapse of the U.S. mortgage market.

Toyota declined 4.9 percent to 3,710 yen, the lowest since March 2004, at the 3 p.m. close on the Tokyo Stock Exchange, giving it a giving it a market capitalization of $124.3 billion. Wolfsburg, Germany-based Volkswagen's value was $127.5 billion at today's exchange rate.

Toyota's sales in the U.S., the world's largest auto market, have plunged this year as higher fuel costs have cut demand for Tundra pickups and Sequoia sport-utility vehicles. Volkswagen's shares have gained 87 percent this year as Porsche SE bid for a majority stake and hedge funds that had bet on the shares falling were forced to close their positions.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=ankDOwTJriVM

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Who'd a thunk it?


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Agent009Agent009 - 10/7/2008 12:46:28 PMView My AgentSpace
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A freakin crazy world right now.. I bet 6 months from now it will be different, yet again.


_43LE_43LE - 10/7/2008 4:38:13 PM
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As I mentioned in another post, it's very sad when someone takes pleasure in the misfortunes of someone else. You gotta know that TurboSpyder is chuckling with an evil grin on his face right now.


TurboSpyderTurboSpyder - 10/7/2008 4:52:51 PMView My AgentSpace
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43, I'm one of the good guys.


_43LE_43LE - 10/8/2008 10:00:54 AM
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Isn't that what we all think? Reality check for you, based on your past posts I find that hard to believe. You may think that your one of the good guys but to most of us you are on of the "good ol' boys" if you know what I mean.


TurboSpyderTurboSpyder - 10/8/2008 10:04:35 PMView My AgentSpace
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I think I know what you're saying - you're saying that you're against the racist immigration laws of non Western countries, right?


TheSailorTheSailor - 10/7/2008 1:12:35 PMView My AgentSpace
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YEAH!!! WUUHUUU! YIPEE!!! YES YES YES!!! I couldn't care less!

So does this mean that V-dub makes better cars than Toyota?! Does it mean we get cheaper cars?! Does it mean ANYTHING for regular people unless they have stock in either company (In which case any news seem like bad news right now!) ?!? WHY DO WE NEED TO KNOW THIS???


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StarSearchStarSearch - 10/7/2008 2:30:02 PM
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no more coffee for you! hahaha!!


Agent009Agent009 - 10/7/2008 3:13:59 PMView My AgentSpace
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Funny how "some" fanboys jump on sales, value, or reliability as the reason they are better. And as soon as that benchmark is eclipsed by a competitor they immediately say "that doesn't mean anything".


TheSailorTheSailor - 10/7/2008 4:21:36 PMView My AgentSpace
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Are you calling me a Toyota fanboy 009?! Ohh I ought to slap you silly!


sectorsector - 10/7/2008 1:14:51 PM
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No worries, Toyota will realign themselves to get back on track with less gas guzzlers and more sensible offerings. This is like getting the news that Billy Gates lost a few million at the poker table.

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0to600to60 - 10/7/2008 1:20:11 PM
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More like he lost the title of the richest person in the world...which he did. Im sure that took a bite out of his ego at least.


QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/7/2008 1:39:45 PM
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You mean more of the same old, boring, stagnet, soul less and uninspired designs?

Toyota:

T- Totally
O- Old,
Y- Yawn,
O- Overrated
T- Trucks &
A- Automobiles



LemonadeLemonade - 10/7/2008 2:21:54 PM
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QueerMatrix,

Right... Kinda like..

B-Bitch
M-Mobile for
W-Women



0to600to60 - 10/7/2008 3:10:40 PM
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I was speaking of bill gates in my post.


QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/7/2008 7:18:32 PM
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LemonTurd,

I'm sure all the women that drive BMW's will thank you for that compliment, because everyone knows BMW kicks "ALL" the competitions Ass'...

So on behalf of the fairer sex, I humbly accept your compliment and endorsement of BMW as a KICKASS RIDE..



LemonadeLemonade - 10/7/2008 7:42:48 PM
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QueefMatrix,

It must suck to live in that little bubble you're in because you really are a true example of a LOSER and you know exactly what I'm talking about.



QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/7/2008 8:20:59 PM
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Sorry LemonFart,

I don't socialize with lowlife's like yourself and as for the LOSER term, judging from all of your previous posts your taste and comments define the term LOSER!

And YOU KNOW WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT!

I'm very open minded, just can't stand the RICERS on this site that claim Asian Cars are as well engineered as the German Makes. Time and time again they aim at the Germans and miss the target. Always a decade or more behind..

So go eat your Lemon Tarts and drink your Hot Saki and have nice little nap.



LemonadeLemonade - 10/7/2008 8:58:48 PM
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WOW QueefMatrix.. Looks like I hit a nerve..haha


Well you keep posting your stupid little post', which by the way you probably didn't notice how you contradict yourself in each of your post'. German makes are pieces of crap like the people who drive them. If B-Boring M-Mobile for W-Women fell off the map nobody would notice.



QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/7/2008 11:27:05 PM
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LemonFart,

No, you didn't hit a nerve, you actually made me laugh at your lack of any intelligence whatsoever.

No contradictions on my part, but you might want to look in the mirror.

You keep coming back for more so I must be the one that hit a nerve, oh small minded one..



LemonadeLemonade - 10/8/2008 1:35:18 AM
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Oh Really?!?!


"I'm very open minded, just can't stand the RICERS" You're NOT that open minded, Queefer! Only those with very little to no initelligence would understand any logic coming out of your tiny bubble. I find it very amusing how you try to belittle me with total non-sense, oh Queefing Queer One.



QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/8/2008 8:05:47 AM
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LemonPus,

You need to play with someone in your own league, like maybe a pre-schooler with ADD..

You must have a thing for Gay guys cause you seem to love the slang terminology, which is usually an indicator of one's own suppressed sexuality coming to the forefront.




LemonadeLemonade - 10/8/2008 11:26:11 AM
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You know what? You're right Queefer! What was I thinking trying to reason with a TOTAL Loser like you? At least we can agree to one thing which is the fact that I should have never went DOWN to your level. Keep taking your One-A-Day and maybe, just maybe you may regain what very little sense you had.


QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/8/2008 12:22:24 PM
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Dear LemonPus,

Keep trying to convince yourself and everyone else on this site that you have at most the intelligence of an amoeba, who knows, at least you might even begin to believe it..

But, then again, you would need more than one brain synapse to form a single coherent thought and I highly doubt you have even one.




LemonadeLemonade - 10/8/2008 1:54:01 PM
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Your idiotic comments speak volumes about yourself. You consistently queef away about how much smarter you are than I am, yet you keep responding back. Once again, your personal attacks are very amusing (haha) yet lame. I find getting under your skin makes this thread more enjoyable and don't deny it because you keep coming back for more. Asian makes are on par with the German makes, if not BETTER! Now before you reply make sure you take an aspirin, it's good for the heart. I wouldn't want you to bust an artery trying to think of another "brainless" personal attack, LOSER!


BigShow50BigShow50 - 10/7/2008 2:21:30 PM
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LMAO!!!...you Toyota haters are a joke. It's funny how the market works in the most mysterious ways. But at the end of the day whether it's a win or loose for Toyota, their cash reserve of $45 Billion plus, (which no other auto corporation in the world has that in their shoe box), remains to be untouched for Toyota. So VW regardless, still has alot to prove, and they know for a fact the high tides they are riding will no last very long! If VW knows any better then Porche should not need to buyout Audi let alone VW(is this a cry for help from VW?)...Well, enjoy the spot light and its' artificial success!!! LMAO!!!

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StarStar - 10/7/2008 3:56:39 PM
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VW > Toyota. End of story.


StarSearchStarSearch - 10/7/2008 4:00:47 PM
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are you typing this while cruising in your Beetle cabrio?


It's ok, we're not judging you.



_43LE_43LE - 10/7/2008 4:39:39 PM
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Everyone else's opinion >> Star


StarStar - 10/7/2008 5:03:34 PM
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Look at the geeks crying...ha, ha, ha,.. Toyota is DOWN. With cars that fall apart in a few months and shady reliability Toyota cannot fool anybody anymore. Say hello to the only refined and fun to drive car in its price range....VW. Now the Germans dominate EVERY SINGLE SEGMENT. BRAVO!!!!! BRAVO!!!!!


ualluall - 10/7/2008 4:08:15 PM
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BigShow50: You obviously don't have a clue...VW is trying to prevent this move of Porsche with a vengeance.

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TurboSpyderTurboSpyder - 10/7/2008 4:58:08 PMView My AgentSpace
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VW does make better cars and the Japanese know it.

"Volkswagen has received two of Japan’s top automobile prizes in the category of “Technology of the Year” for the development of its TSI technology. Both the CAR OF THE YEAR committee and the jury of the Automotive Researchers' and Journalists' Conference (RJC) voted to give their first prizes to Volkswagen’s innovative new engine technology."

http://www.carpages.co.uk/volkswagen/volkswagen-tsi-11-12-07.asp

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"WOLFSBURG, Germany - The winning streak continues: for the third time, Volkswagen's dual charged TSI engines have won the "International Engine of the Year Award" in the category "1 litre to 1.4 litres". It is no coincidence that the 103 kW (140 PS) and 125 kW (170 PS) TSIs, which are charged by both a turbocharger and a supercharger, are among the most efficient petrol engines in the world. The motto for these engines is "maximum dynamics with minimum fuel consumption". And that's also how the jury, comprising 65 journalists from 32 countries, saw it. According to one jury member, "This engine does everything right and fits into the most diverse types of vehicles." Moreover, the new 122 PS TSI took second place in the same category in its first attempt. The "International kEngine of the Year Awards 2008" will be presented today in Stuttgart."



"Moreover, an additional award underscores the Volkswagen Group's great competence in building engines. Audi took first place in the category 1.8 litres to 2.0 litres with the 2.0 TSI. This engine made its debut at Volkswagen in the Golf GTI and is presently finding use in several performance versions."

http://www.theautochannel.com/news/2008/05/07/086318.html


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abcdabcd - 10/8/2008 3:21:42 PM
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Yea , Toyota ( Lexus ) makes better cars and the Germans know that :

Auto 1 Innovation Prize 2007 . Lexus LS 460 , Auto Bild "Auto 1" awards (2007) . The German automotive magazine selected the LS 460's Advanced Pre-Crash Safety System for the innovation award , mentioning specifically its infrared cameras , front and rear radar sensors , and pedestrian / driver detection systems .

http://www.prnewswire.co.uk/cgi/news/release?id=192479


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TurboSpyderTurboSpyder - 10/8/2008 10:10:52 PMView My AgentSpace
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"'Auto 1 of Europe': biggest European poll of readers and experts."


No magazine readers were polled for the technology awards that the Japanese gave out.


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TurboSpyderTurboSpyder - 10/8/2008 10:19:31 PMView My AgentSpace
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abcd, you're reasoning most of the time is along the lines of saying, for example, that if a student who got 60% on a final exam answered a question correctly that another student who got 95% on the exam missed, then the 60% student is equal to the 95% student. You gotta look at the big picture.

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abcdabcd - 10/9/2008 3:15:27 AM
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"that if a student who got 60% on a final exam answered a question correctly that another student who got 95% on the exam missed, then the 60% student is equal to the 95% student. You gotta look at the big picture."

Democracy . Western way , so the best way . You said that many times and now you questioning that ?
Though you`re right , democracy isn`t credible .

This is more credible award :
"The annual Paul Pietsch Prize for Advanced Technology is one of Germany's most prestigious awards for automotive technology and which has been won by the Lexus GS 450h. The prize is awarded for advanced technology in production cars with the jury made up of the technical editors of Auto Motor Und Sport's group publications."
http://www.lexus.com.sg/about_lexus/news_and_events/cont_global_success.asp

So you see , it always isn`t so hard to find some award , since so many of them have been awarded .


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TurboSpyderTurboSpyder - 10/9/2008 9:14:46 AMView My AgentSpace
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I don't think I once talked about democracy on this forum or it being the best way. Are you a communist? You're a people that will swing from one system to another looking for things to improve but they will always stay about the same for you notwithstanding the billions of Euros in aid the EU pumps into your country each year. Anyway, getting back to cars - Wards Auto was initially also fooled by the promise of hybrids but they caught on to the hype in 2006 when they wrote:

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Unplugging the Hybrid Hype

Harsh reality is settling in. After winning 10 Best Engines awards in 2004 and 2005, no hybrid electric vehicle (HEV) powertrain made our list this year. Chalk it up to rising expectations and a declining gee-whiz factor.

In other words, our honeymoon with hybrids is over.

Environmentalists say HEVs are the magic bullet that will save the auto industry as well as the atmosphere. Auto makers are charging hefty premiums for the technology. In that light, the HEVs we tested this year are as good as ever, but not living up to their own hype.

We have been duly impressed in the past, naming Toyota Motor Corp. HEVs to the 10 Best Engines list twice and Honda Motor Co. Ltd.'s system once.

In 2001, we were thrilled with the way Toyota brought HEV technology to the practical Prius sedan in a relatively transparent fashion. In 2004, we were awed by how much Toyota improved the system.

Last year, judges were wowed by the way Honda's sophisticated Integrated Motor Assist (IMA) hybrid system dispelled the myth that HEVs have to be slow and boring.

This year, we could not ignore a few shortcomings.

First among our complaints, pointed out by a growing number of journalists and disgruntled owners, is real-world fuel economy far less than what is advertised.

Second, fuel economy is affected too much by driving style and ambient temperature.

The Lexus RX 400h is the epitome of luxury and environmental friendliness when we moved silently through stop-and-go traffic on full electric power. But once the vehicle's internal combustion engine gets involved with propulsion, we were less impressed. During hard acceleration it doesn't have the premium sound we expect from a vehicle with a base price approaching $50,000. Plus, we were underwhelmed with our 25 mpg (9L/100 km) average.

NASA astronaut Ken Mattingly spent tedious hours in a flight simulator figuring out a start-up sequence that used only 20 amps for an energy-starved Apollo 13. That made for compelling drama in a movie.

Employing the same power-saving tactics just to squeeze out something close to the EPA mileage from a Civic Hybrid on a cold day is a bit less engaging.

Want something close to its alleged 49/51 mpg (5L/100 km/4.6L/100 km) on a frosty morning? Forget about warming up the engine or using the defroster. Scrape the windows by hand, stay off the throttle and the expressway and get ready to shiver.

Enduring that kind of inconvenience is fine if you ne


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TurboSpyderTurboSpyder - 10/9/2008 9:17:13 AMView My AgentSpace
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...cont)

Enduring that kind of inconvenience is fine if you need to get back from space with your fuel cells spent, but not when you're just heading to work.
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http://wardsautoworld.com/ar/auto_best_engines_10/index.html


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TurboSpyderTurboSpyder - 10/9/2008 9:37:16 AMView My AgentSpace
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Autozeitung comparison of the BMW 550i vs Jaguar XF SV8 vs Lexus GS450h vs Mercedes-Benz E500 (E550):


Last Place: Lexus GS450h

"The Lexus is the most fuel efficient here - in mixed driving only. At high speeds on the Autobahn it almost matches the Jaguar for thirst. It has one of the quietest engines. It comes best-equipped with standard features such as various safety features and electronic goodies and receives high marks here. In all other criterias it disappoints. At high speeds however the V6 engine and interior noises are very loud - and don't sound sporty. Comfort is average with the suspension being neither sporty or comfortable. The Lexus has a laughable trunk space of only 280 liters thanks to the hybrid batteries. These add weight and increase the fuel consumption of an already overweight car when the electric engine is not in usage. The seats of the Lexus offer little side support and are slippery. As in previous tests, the Lexus GS also demonstrates its incredibly poor braking abilities by performing incredibly poorly in braking tests. The interior is decent but feels inferior to that of the Jaguar and Mercedes. In variability the Lexus scores a solid 0 points. The rear seats cannot be folded and this combined with the small trunk make the GS a very impractical car."

http://www.autozeitung.de/node/92547

http://www.autospies.com/news/BMW-550i-vs-Jaguar-XF-SV8-vs-Lexus-GS450h-vs-Mercedes-Benz-E500-E550-28618/




Autoweek comparison of the Lexus GS450h and Mercedes E320 Bluetec:

"Like I said, I was disappointed in the Lexus. The diesel Benz was cheaper (marginally), a better driving experience (weighing 275 pounds less than the Lexus helps), and got better miles per gallon. Seems like an easy decision."

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20061109/FREE/61108001


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abcdabcd - 10/9/2008 11:47:13 AM
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"I don't think I once talked about democracy on this forum"

Yes , you were , one example , your discusion with Ingenieur :
http://www.autospies.com/news/Autoweek-s-Review-Of-The-New-Lexus-IS-F-22564/

Though your Midengine nick was deleted ( BTW , why :
http://www.autospies.com/news/Do-You-Agree-GM-s-Bob-Lutz-Calls-Global-Warming-A-Crock-Of-S-While-In-Dallas-26494/
" You are correct midengine is history.. too many warnings and not enough respect to others. " )
, there`s citation what you said :
"Why were the East Germans backwards compared to the West Germans? Mostly because they had a backwards system imposed on them ..."
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"Are you a communist?"
No .
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Here`s information about fuel economy reported by owners in Europe :

http://www.spritmonitor.de/en/

Automotive journalist often are getting very different fuel economy .


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TurboSpyderTurboSpyder - 10/9/2008 1:02:21 PMView My AgentSpace
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"Why were the East Germans backwards compared to the West Germans? Mostly because they had a backwards system imposed on them ..."


Communism is a backwards system but the fact is that history has shown that the ---- people will never be able to set up a prosperous society with low levels of crime and corruption. You can try every system you want including democracy but you're not going to do much better than you ever have. So when ---- leaders were making the decisions about how to govern East Germany, East Germany sucked but it was more fundamental than communism, it was the people who were making the decisions that were the problem.

Again,

http://wardsautoworld.com/ar/auto_best_engines_10/index.html


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huu76huu76 - 10/7/2008 11:45:10 PM
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QuantumMatrix,
Kind of arrogant of you to assume the Japanese are aiming for the Germans. What do they have to aim at when they've already eclipsed the Germans.

Look at the current cars coming out and see how Japanese the German cars have become.

You really need to grow up and get a job and perhaps one day you too can lease a practically-near-luxury German wannabe car with an MSRP of $5000, 3 monthly payments of $50 and residual of $4950.


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QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/8/2008 8:13:36 AM
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huu76,

No need to defend your cheap love for the cheap Asian brands to me.

Lexus, Infiniti, and Acura have been trying to duplicate the German Premium brands since they started up in the late 80's and early 90's.

Every one of the models in their lineup have been a response to a German model.

No need to lease a near luxury German make when I own a 2008 BMW 335i Coupe.. Notice I stress the word "OWN" not lease.

But, then again if I wanted to get a really cheap interest rate on an economy, luxury wannabe brand I could always head to any Toyota dealership and find one at ZERO percent interest..

LMAO..

Sounds like you are the one that needs to grow up. How does it feel now that you have lost your only talking point on leases and BMW's?? Have you checked the current rates lately??




huu76huu76 - 10/7/2008 11:46:08 PM
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Market Value is nice if you're selling stocks, I'm sure VW and Toyota are more concerned with profit which Toyota is the indisputed king. They put the German auto industry to shame.

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LemonadeLemonade - 10/8/2008 1:43:45 AM
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damnikco,

You're a GM guy, you're starting to sound like these German Fan Girls with all that "boring underpowered and uninspiring cars" talk. Nobody talks about Cadillac because they're pieces of sh*t. When someone mentions Cadillac I think fleetwood BOAT. Being Market Value King is no where near GM's sights right now. Boring, Uninspiring and Unreliable is why GM is where they're at today.



QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/8/2008 8:34:23 AM
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The only reason that Toyota may be king of profit is because of all the cost cutting measures in materials used when producing cars.

Asian brands when compared to German brands lack any substance and the materials are always subpar to the Germans.



QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/8/2008 9:04:41 AM
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Since you are good at posting links here is some news for you Huu:

Wednesday, October 01, 2008
Toyota U.S. September Sales Fall 32.3%
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MarketWatch PulseBuzz up!Digg It StumbleUpon Reddit SAN FRANCISCO -- Toyota Motor Corp. said Wednesday that September U.S. sales fell 32.3% to 144,260 vehicles from 213,042 a year ago. U.S. Lexus sales in September fell 37.7% to 9,430 vehicles from a year ago. U.S. light truck sales dropped 38% to 55,918 vehicles in September.


Copyright © 2008 MarketWatch, Inc.




QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/8/2008 9:27:02 AM
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Huu, is it you that is always saying that Lexus sells more cars in the USA than BMW??

Here are so more facts for you to digest:

The BMW Group in the US reported September sales of 18,506 vehicles, a decrease of 25.8 percent over the 24,932 vehicles sold in September 2007.

Now if my math is correct that means that BMW sold 9,076 more cars than Lexus did in the month of September.

Just some more facts for you to chew on Huey..



huu76huu76 - 10/7/2008 11:46:59 PM
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I exclude Porsche in my comments above, except the Cayenne.

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StarStar - 10/8/2008 3:05:11 PM
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Just stop talking and avoid further embarrassment.


olgunolgun - 10/8/2008 10:16:53 AM
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www.olgunkordal.com



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huu76huu76 - 10/8/2008 8:45:11 PM
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Quantum,
First of all, get some correct facts. As usual, you're wrong.
BMW Brand sales were approx 14,500 for Sept, Lexus was 16,000 units. Your 18,000 units included Mini, if that's the case, better add about 190,000 Toyota's in Sept.
http://www.autospies.com/news/BMW-Sales-Make-A-Titanic-Drop-of-29-5-In-September-Mini-Drops-6-9-35481/

I have yet to see any Lexus' in Canada or the US charging less than 3.9% financing, I've seen plenty of back loaded BMW leases though.


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QuantumMatrixQuantumMatrix - 10/8/2008 10:18:20 PM
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You spin the facts any way you want to Huu..

Any jerk, including you, can pull a rabbit out of his ass by going to various sites and claiming them to be facts, which you so frequently do.

You are one of the least credible posters on this site.




huu76huu76 - 10/8/2008 8:46:40 PM
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Cost cutting such as including airbags as standard? Cost cutting as in keeping employees eventhough they're doing something other than building trucks?

Or do you mean cost cutting by building cars in N.America instead of low wage Mexico and Eastern Europe?


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TheSailorTheSailor - 10/10/2008 7:34:00 AMView My AgentSpace
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Damn... what a nice little love fest this has turned into! why don't you all just take it to the playground and you can fight each other... I think that would be 1000 times more constructive than this!

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DieselRulesDieselRules - 10/11/2008 3:43:57 PM
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Wow! I've never seen so many off-topic postings on this site, ever.

Toyota is suffering an SUV hangover. They drove the SUV craze with the most models of any manufacturer for a while, and that's where most of their cash reserves come from.

Now everything is due for a correction. Fortunately for VW, the Touareg never did sell well, so a drop in that model's sales has virtually no effect on the big picture. However, having a product line comprised almost entirely of practical and efficient cars that are (mostly) fun to drive puts them in good stead. Even if it is more by luck than planning.

PS: Toyota will quickly adjust its product mix and flood the US market with micro-cars and scoop market share. While VW, who already have excellent micro-cars, will not bring anything to North America and miss yet another opportunity.

I think VW has better technology, but Toyota is better at business, even if they screwed up big-time this once.


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