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WEB RAGE FRIDAY! Bailout Goes Bust And Chaos Abounds- What's YOUR Beef THIS Week?

Agent001 submitted on 12/12/2008 Official Bell & Ross Timestamp: 2:47:38 AM

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Well they just announced the bailout went bust so that should be a good segue into our new regular Friday feature, WEB RAGE FRIDAY.

Here's how it works...

Post your comments on WHATEVER is on your mind, jazzing you or just plain frying your ass.

And it doesn't have to be just about cars although that subject makes the most sense here...Voice your opinion on anything that's happened this week in in vogue.

If you bought a new car and you're fired up, tell us.

If you got hosed by a dealer or your significant other...share it!

You get the idea.

And all we ask is to keep it clean and be respectful.

We didn't say don't vent happiness or anger, just be clean and respectful.

I think a lot of posters forget that you can say something in colorful language if you use your brain and don't have to drop the F-Bomb.

I'll kick this thing off with my rant to get the show going so check the comments for my rant.

Have at it boys and girls!

And remember RAGE here, NOT on the road!

WEB RAGE FRIDAY! Bailout Goes Bust And Chaos Abounds- What's YOUR Beef THIS Week?

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Can you believe these idiots have the nerve to go home and enjoy Christmas break while people in Michigan and others around the country are freaking out and their lives are falling apart?

I'm not saying they should have done the deal, but they could at least be committed to staying there till Christmas Eve to see what can be done.

SOMETHING can be done...maybe it won't be great but SOMETHING.

How about take the $20B and offer benefits for these people who will be effected?

What a bunch of uncaring jerks...

001
— Agent001 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 2:55:28 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 11

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/World-markets-plunge-as-US-apf-13815882.html
— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 8:31:59 AM | | Votes: -1

001 - I don't think it is so much them going home, I think it is the fact that the people WE elected to represent us have fallen so far out of touch with the very people who sent them to Washington in the first place.

Here in TN, I know the local Republican party has been very active in keeping a lot of pressure on our Senators, Corker and Alexander to insure that the things WE sent them to do, are being done.

The problem with the bailout as a whole, is there is no line now that says when it stops. Our representatives have continued to put good money after bad in an attempt to kick start something that needed to adjust in the first place. Hindsight is 20/20, but what would have happened without ANY bailout?

-00J
— Agent00J (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 8:33:07 AM | | Votes: 1

I know they work long hours, but lets get real. This is a national issue and sometimes you have to stay.
— Agent009 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 9:22:54 AM | | Votes: 3

001, I agree with you.
— Hyundai (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 10:33:14 AM | | Votes: 3

Enough with these rant and rage stories on Autospies, 001. It's just bringing this site down to the level of an angry, road-rage driver on the freeway. Aim higher.
— 204E60 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 10:51:55 AM | | Votes: 0

Agent001-

This has nothing to do with Christmas or Pearl Harbor day. It has everything to do with giving money to companies that are destined to fail. It's time for the UAW to make some major concessions or else to be prepaired to be unemployed.

In fact, it's time for the UAW to close their doors because they have bitten the hand that feeds too many times!

Let the car companies file for bankruptcy and restructure and hire people back like Toyota does.
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 10:55:04 AM | | Votes: 2

Such is life. RIP.
Nice photo though, a Rotterdam fan.
— E36er (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 12:36:32 PM | | Votes: 3

You can thank UAW for this.
— rumnyc (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 3:58:56 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5

Can you believe that the UAW had the balls to not concede to matching market rates for their workers?

Are they so caught up in themselves that they believe America is behind them? OMG!

If you ever thought the UAW would be the death of the Detroit three, then this is all of the proof you will ever need.
— Agent009 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 8:24:30 AM | | Votes: 7

I hate it when people informed people blame the UAW for things when they have not look at the facts. The UAW offered a second round of wage and benefit cuts last night on top of the wage cut's we took only two years ago. The southern Republicans are to blame. I hope no one here is depending on there 401k's to retire because today it will all be just about gone.
— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 8:29:13 AM | | Votes: -10

**** revised**** (sorry for my typo)

I hate it when UN-informed people blame the UAW for things when they have not lookrd at the facts. The UAW DID offered a second round of wage and benefit cuts last night on top of the wage cut's we took only two years ago. The southern Republicans are to blame. I hope no one here is depending on there 401k's to retire because today it will all be just about gone
— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 8:47:22 AM | | Votes: -10

ahhh, the deal is off BECAUSE the union wouldn't accept a rate based on their Japanese counterpoints....yeah the ones that are building better cars that have put the Big 3 in this situation.

Dude, the "facts" are all there to see, this isn't some old wive's tale, the union is primarily at fault for this, there is no "other side" to it. You're just like every other union supporter, when you're not in control you either strike, threaten line crossers or say that you're misunderstood. You're basically organized mafia.

You think this type of crap would work in the white collar world? When I get laid off or don't get a raise or bonus I simply look for another (better) job, I don't crawl into the fetal position and stop productivity until I get my way. Unions are only in place for those that either don't have an advanced education or the stones to speak up. This is America, if you really want to succeed, you pull yourself up by the bootstraps and get out there, not wait for some guy who's been taking your weekly dues and "hoping he can do something for you, just hang in there".
— StarSearch (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 8:47:34 AM | | Votes: 11

sorry, meant "counterparts"

(prays for edit feature here before 2010...)
— StarSearch (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 8:48:46 AM | | Votes: 6

We did, two years ago.
— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 9:17:09 AM | | Votes: -6

It's time!

Time to lead the UAW to the gallows and hang it by the neck until it's dead.

That's what the USA does to criminals that have done horrific crimes to the people of the USA.

UAW, what would you like for your last meal?

It's time!!!
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 10:57:40 AM | | Votes: 2

isn't EL a real estate agent? how bout we cut your pay check by like 5 times? 3% for filling out some paper work and selling a house? you KIDDIN me? 0.5% is more like it and you should even say 'thank you' to us for that
— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 12:57:24 PM | | Votes: 0

DinamoR-

I am a real estate agent and I already cut my commission way down.

I voluntarily took a pay cut!

Do you want to buy a beautiful beach front 2 bedroom & 2 bath Condo for $1,650,000 in OC,CA? :-)
— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 2:39:07 PM | | Votes: 1

so you can get a 6 figure commision for filling out some paperwork while bitching about hard working auto factory workers who make $28 on hour?

haha. nope. i don't
— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 2:46:33 PM | | Votes: 2

Can you believe that someone who runs a website can't spell "segue"?
— Leezell (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 8:35:57 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4

That's because I just got off my segway and couldn't stop thinking about it! ;)

001
— Agent001 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 1:25:41 PM | | Votes: 1

R.I.P. GM.
We are going to miss the 3 cars that made us put up with you... CTS, Corvette, and Silverado
— adamsaf723 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 8:47:20 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1

The silverado is a truck.
— 1UAW (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 8:48:29 AM | | Votes: -2

I don't think GM will die. Shrink significant, yes. Die, I don't think so. But Chrysler is outta here.
— DexDiamonds (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 9:13:06 AM | | Votes: 3

People that fart in small public spaces!!! Walked into one the other day.
— DexDiamonds (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 9:10:52 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4

Sour!

001
— Agent001 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 1:26:14 PM | | Votes: 3

The government should nationalize big three, and terminate unions.

It is terrible that UAW would let Big 3 go bankrupt, kick millions of people on the streets, rather than adjusting wages and benefits. And we are not even talking adjusting to minimum or below average wages.

Bunch of f@$%ing jerks.
— vladyxa (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 9:14:12 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

UAW is the reason for all of this in the first place. Greedy workers, and unions. I have no problem watching this happen. I have never seen such a bunch of spoiled employeed people ever. You have insurance, great pay, benefits, 401K, blah blah blah. There are professionals in higher stress and educated jobs making less and not bitching. Get with the program and suck it up. We all have been.
— fatandsassy (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 9:21:57 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4

The UAW is all about legalized extorcion. If they don't get what they want, they go on strike, costing auto companies millions of dollars in lost revenue. It's not about fairness... any more than a guy holding a gun to your head is reasonable about what he takes from your wallet. Most of the world is not protected by government authorized extorcion like that. If I don't like what my company pays, I can look elsewhere. If I'm really good, maybe I can squeeze them for a few extra bucks.. but not if some other guy comes along that can do the same quality work and is willing to do it cheaper. I've seen auto plants in action and I did not see anyone doing a job that a 10 year old could not perform after about 10 minuts of training. The idea that these guys are pulling in the wages they are is obscene. Make every state and every plant a right to work plant and let then UAW compete. If they are as good as they say they are, then the auto companies will pay more. That's fair!
— cantaffordone (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 10:28:32 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

+1!
— 85bmw745i (View Profile)

Posted on 12/15/2008 12:36:05 AM | | Votes: 1

i got such a hangover. That bacon, egg, and cheese on a plain bagel did me well...
— AudiA6Drvr (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 11:27:24 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2

Well perhaps in the long run this will be a good thing. I'm a democrat but I cannot blame the republicans for this one.What many have said all along is that wage and benefit gap between the US auto makers and foreign automakers is one of the primary reasons why the US automakers are not making any money and have lost market share.I'm not happy that it did not pass. However as I've said before there has to be an equal playing field to start out with. I hope "stick my head in the sand till my terms over Bush" will take the money out of tarp and give them the 14 million to tide these companies over until the Obama administration takes over.
— mini22 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 11:46:52 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0

No its because the big 3 make horrible cars the Im mean the H3 the Hummer pick up bad management not the unions did this. PS I have never seen so many worker bees proud of the fact that they are overworked and underpaid. Seriously some of you guys are real clowns. You cant realize that Americans workers are becoming more like the low wage sweatshop workers in southeast Asian than vice versa. I love how "professionals" think there so important because they push papers around all day. Do the research clowns countries were people actually make tangible things have always and will always end up being the world's superpower. IE United States 1940's - 1990's, and now it will be China's turn. remember the democrats warned you morons
— Bighead255 (View Profile)

Posted on 12/13/2008 8:51:33 PM | | Votes: 1

George Bush will not leave the White House until the whole western civilization has collapsed and is smoldering in smoke. Its Herbert Hoover time all over again! (only this time its worldwide)

Where's our FDR? Oh yeah he still won't be able to take over for another month and a half. Nov. 4 to Jan. 20 is waaaaaay too long. We should cut it down to like Dec. 1.
— DinamoR (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 12:55:42 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0

Please read this...

http://www.npr.org/news/specials/gmvstoyota/

— E36er (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 1:02:59 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

I don't know how people would pick on UAW wages when lawyers and doctors are cleaning this country dry. Soon the lawyers will be asking for a bailout because no one can afford their service and they have to start giving up their BMWs and yachts.
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 1:08:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

Badgewhore...I wouldn't classify lawyers and doctors in the same category as UAW workers. Much different leagues, my friend.
— BSBB (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 2:00:02 PM | | Votes: 0

How's is that? A lawyer charges you at least $400 to make a simple phone call, A union employee makes $70 an hour tightening bolts to ensure your car don't fall apart on the highway thereby keeping you from getting killed. A doctor charges you $80-100 an hour just to look at you for 3minutes and recommends you buy $300-10,000 worth of medicine and unnecessary treatment from his doctor friends. Who better earnes your money?
— Badgewhore (View Profile)

Posted on 12/13/2008 5:11:42 AM | | Votes: 2

My view is that the Big 3 should merge into one and cut the fat off of it's back. I know that jobs will still be lost but it will be lower than having all of them shut down completely. The problem with these companies is not with the UAW, not with oil, not with anything other than the fact that people arent buying American cars. I think they've saturated the markets and are producing more vehicles than are being demanded.
— AudiA6Drvr (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 2:40:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0

America is becoming a socialist country, and it's pissing me off. I liked the country when it was prosperous, industrial, competitive, and had a spirit of "you can make it if you work hard". Now we've devolved into figuring out how to sue to get rich (if you are a lawyer), or get a handout from the government for everyone else. Not that the government has any money left: the wealth in the currency is quickly depleting, and soon will be a distant memory of good times past before we wrecked this fine country.

I'm sick of wealth redistribution programs. Social security was conceived to be a retirement safety net with a fixed contribution cap (which is already ridiculous compared to actual benefits); extending it to all income makes it obviously and blatantly a wealth-redistribution system. Then there is the "progressive" tax system... a misnomer if ever there was one, let's call it what it is: the unfair wealth redistribution tax system. Then we have "bailouts" for the financial industry (in name only: everybody knows the industry is still bankrupt and going to fail, even after trillions in handouts from the Fed); redistributing wealth from people who hold US dollars to the people who caused the credit meltdown, great plan, fearless leaders.

That's not even getting in to the auto industry handout proposal (it's not a "bailout", people... the Big 3 has about as much chance of long-term competitive viability as Bush has of getting a third term). The UAW wants us (the taxpayers, only more the US currency holders since we're never paying back the debt) to subsidize their 50% above-market pay rate and enormous unfunded retirement liabilities. Fine, but PUT THAT EXPLICITLY IN THE BILL! Let's dispense with the utter BS of calling this an industry bailout, or assistance for the US economy, or helping our long-term production, and just title the bill "Extravagant Welfare for the UAW", so everybody is clear on which toilet were flushing the latest untold billions down.

Speaking of toilet residue smeared all over Washington like a crazed diarrheatic monkey got lose, is anybody getting a sense of deja-vu from the last time Congress voted down a massively unpopular special-interest handout to rousing applause and disbelief, only to pass something even worse the next week? If history is any indication, we'll have a welfare bill for the UAW by the end of the year, but in addition to a blank check for subsidizing failure, it'll also have 400 extra pages of pork, a couple hundred billion in extra pork expenditures, and a pay raise for Congress, as a great big glaring FU to anyone with the incomprehensibly misguided notion that Congress is anything more than a gigantic cesspool of corruption, special interests, and socialism poorly masquerading as "helpful government assistance". May they be forced to buy American cars.
— sigmabody (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 2:43:37 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1

Bailout Chrysler? Chrysler is owned by Cerebus LLC an investment firm for the wealthy. Why is it OK to help the rich Wall St guys but not OK to help the working man? This could all be sorted out by a couple of Chapter 11 filings.
— Stickshaker (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 5:45:49 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2

does anyone here think for one freakin second that..............................the new 7 series has an ugly nose??? that is my rant...thank you!
— skippee (View Profile)

Posted on 12/12/2008 6:47:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2

no comment on your question ,but thanks for changing the topic
— toolatetorace (View Profile)

Posted on 12/13/2008 7:24:15 PM | | Votes: 1

While I'm ranting...

Doe ANYBODY have a fix for the SUPER ANNOYING autospies front-page ad/blurb thingee which keep resizing and moving the articles up and down like some retarded epileptic crack baby on a pogo stick?!?
— sigmabody (View Profile)

Posted on 12/15/2008 1:22:15 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1

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