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WHO IS THE WINNER? Nissan GT-R vs. Porsche 911 Turbo vs. BMW M3- Think You Know?

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WHO IS THE WINNER? Nissan GT-R vs. Porsche 911 Turbo vs. BMW M3- Think You Know?

Or perhaps the title should be:

HOW TO PISS PEOPLE OFF - GT-R versus 911 Turbo versus M3

This will blow peoples minds, heck I had to pick myself up off the floor when I read the results as well. The fact is AutoSpies.com is the first to bring you the Car & Driver results, and we collectively are shocked. I even had to call 001 to give him the news, but here are the results, we will link back to the article as soon as Car & Driver gets it posted to their website, but for now enjoy.

Car & Driver in their July 2008 issue has a comparison test with the Porsche 911 Turbo, the Nissan GT-R and BMW M3 coupe.

Ranked in order from last to first:

3. Porsche 911 Turbo
2. Nissan GT-R
1. BMW M3

A few of the quotes from the article...

"...Nissan aims for Ferrari and hit somewhere between an M3 and 911'"

"...every other manufacturer should give up on building their own cars and just make M3's instead."

Oh, this is going to make people MAD.

I can hear the BMW fans right now,

"M3 WINS, M3 WINS"

Oh the agony of defeat, and oh, whats this, the Lexus IS-F wasn't even invited to the fight!!! Say it ain't so.

Oh, this is going to make people MAD.

But it is what it is, and the sacred GT-R has already lost its first round of comparisons, AND IT ISN'T EVEN FOR SALE YET.

I think I will go take the rest of the afternoon off, and take my M3 out for a drive.

DO YOU AGREE WITH THE RESULTS???

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Hantra - 5/30/2008 2:33:07 PMView My AgentSpace

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For the record I'm not mad. And I am going to buy that issue RIGHT NOW.

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Kraut_god - 5/30/2008 3:57:05 PM

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Umm this isnt the first round of comparisons, its like the 10th. You could say its the 1st round where the GTR didnt come out on top.

I will say, Autospies becomes more and more kraut biased everyday.

dlin - 5/30/2008 8:07:59 PM

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More specifically, BMW biased. Though I find it "refreshing" to see GT-R not at top :)

Anyway, C&D's review is usually not worth reading.I regret subscribing it.

hao420 - 5/30/2008 9:08:36 PM

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winner:Cant tell
each car has their merit and flaw

GTR - beast engine
M3 - Exterior
porsche - light weight

henbmw - 6/1/2008 2:04:16 AM

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dlin- I regret reading your post. For all you retards who continuously believe c&d is somehow BMW biased, please refer to my post below. Or actually read the magazine.

iamthehighway - 6/2/2008 11:37:51 AMView My AgentSpace

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agreed dlin! i'm starting to regret it as well. C&D as a whole are incredibly BMW biased it's ridiculous. if BMW made a turd, C&D would recommend it as a classy well manufactured item. they're a mess.

Peyton18 - 5/30/2008 2:42:05 PM

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coool!

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AutoEng - 5/30/2008 2:42:22 PM

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I am definitely not mad either. In fact I am envious, and perhaps intrigued as to what wonderful drugs where required to induce hallucinations severe enough to make an M3 outrank a 997 Turbo, or GT-R.

I've driven the M3, and have had ownership experience with the 996 Turbo and M6. The M3 is a superb vehicle no doubt, but hard number wise, it does not come close to either of the other two.

I have yet to read the article, but perhaps they were judging the cars more from a "tomfoolery" perspective, in that points were given for tail out hooliganism and drift-type shenanigans. In that case the M3 would be at an advantage...but if not, its not.

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bulldogz - 5/30/2008 3:40:49 PM

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Bmw8ter - 5/30/2008 4:34:48 PM

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997 is the most recent body style of the 911....buddy

jeffy210 - 5/30/2008 4:36:55 PM

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bulldogz, 997 is the project name for the current generation 911, just like the previous 3-series was the E46, and current is E92 (I think).

S4cabriofoxone - 5/31/2008 12:21:06 AMView My AgentSpace

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3 Series nomenclature--
E90 (sedan), E91 (wagon), E92 (coupe), E93 (convertible)

911 nomenclature from the last 15 years--
993, 996, 997

hatepusss - 5/30/2008 2:51:19 PM

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Another magical pixies dust working overtime!

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amazinBimmer - 5/30/2008 2:54:18 PM

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hahahaahah. Nut, S4, Other VW guys/?? enjoy your fwd..phaetons...where is the "limited edition rs4". oh yes.. its out of production!!
Dont mess with the king!

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S4cabriofoxone - 5/31/2008 12:20:07 AMView My AgentSpace

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What are you even talking about? The M3 is on my list. Go back to bed.

Audi4Life - 5/31/2008 5:10:31 PM

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what does rs4 got to do with this?....its obviously not in the comparrison as you can see smartypants!

carE10 - 5/30/2008 2:56:10 PM

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This just shows that numbers arnt everything. There are other factors in car quality and driving satisfaction.

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pcar4evr - 5/30/2008 4:00:42 PM

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actually what it shows is that you can manipulate numbers to serve your purpose - true in car magazines and in real life. How'd ya think Bush got elected?

TheSailor - 5/30/2008 3:00:15 PMView My AgentSpace

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Ohh... I'm so pissed! I Don't know why, but I am... I know I am, because the article says so!

I think this is EXACTLY what everybody would expect! The GT-R wants to be a 911 killer but doesn't quite cut it! The M3 doesn't want to kill the 911 because it is a different kind of beast... Three great cars... But I'd still take the M3...

Ohh... And by the way: I'M SOOOO BLOODY PISSED!

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TheSailor - 5/30/2008 3:42:45 PMView My AgentSpace

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Ohh wait... WHY DID YOU PUT IT IN REVERSE ORDER?!? That is exactly the opposite of what I was expecting! But I'm still pissed though!

Agent00J - 5/30/2008 3:00:17 PMView My AgentSpace

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Can't wait to hear what MichaelTaylor has to say!!!

00J

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M53R - 5/30/2008 3:14:41 PMView My AgentSpace

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p.s look above. -_-

M53R - 5/30/2008 3:16:31 PMView My AgentSpace

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Ouch... I have no idea how the M3 managed to win, but that's an achievement.

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BMW4me4ever - 5/30/2008 4:08:31 PMView My AgentSpace

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M53R ... i think it had something to do with the transmission clunky feeling

Star - 5/30/2008 3:26:46 PM

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German engineering! Enough said.

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MBKing - 5/30/2008 3:49:43 PM

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you know that porsche is German right??

Star - 5/30/2008 4:02:11 PM

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LF-A is a car for old people Mikey. Lexus never unleashed anything other than cars that offer the same experience people have when moving in an electric wheelchair.

lexusrox123 - 6/2/2008 9:10:11 AM

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youve never even driven it yet, bub!

Batman219 - 5/30/2008 3:49:45 PM

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At the end of the day I'd take a 911 Turbo.

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TauronB2G - 5/30/2008 11:19:45 PM

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Amen brother!!!

pcar4evr - 5/30/2008 3:51:39 PM

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More interesting is that the 997tt wiped the GTR up in acceleration. As far as the M3, if you've driven one you know it has a terrible shifter, poor on center steering feel and quite frankly isn't that much more impressive that a 335i. My guess is that C&D wanted to be controversial and they sure did that. The reason the M3 "won" was because it's "price as tested" was so much lower (it got alot of points for that) and a bunch of things like trunk space/features and amenities etc.

BTW, the M3 outpointed the GTR and the 997tt on "fun to drive" - now that's just plain a riot. And it outpointed the 997tt in the "got to have it" category.

What nonsense.

nonetheless, the M3 is a great car - and if you can't afford the Porsche or the 100K GTR (with the stealerships markups), it's a great choice

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Agent001 - 5/30/2008 4:15:57 PMView My AgentSpace

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Where/When did you drive the M3 and did you drive the coupe or sedan?

001

Agent00J - 5/30/2008 5:36:50 PMView My AgentSpace

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pcar4evr

I don't know what you are smokin' but it must be good, cause you sure are coming across as delirious. On one hand you knock the M3, but finish by stating what a great car it is.

If you haven't driven the 335i and M3 back to back, you really have no basis for the comparison. Haven driven the 335i, M3 and 135i back to back, they really are 3 different cars.

While there is a certain shock element to the Car & Driver article, of all the auto magazines out there, I think C&D has the most credibility. If this article was in Motor Trend, I do think a lot of questions would have to be raised as IMO they tend to be more swayed by the advertising dollar.

00J

0to60 - 5/30/2008 9:18:55 PM

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really? I think car and driver is the worst. They always lean german. I dont really trust anything they say but thats just what I have noticed.

ChicaneShooter - 5/31/2008 2:05:18 AM

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i trust R&T reviews MUCH more than C/D.

henbmw - 5/31/2008 6:35:15 PM

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C&D always leans German. Ok. So have you seen the 10 best list?

1. BMW 3 GERMAN
2. Chevy Corvette USA
3. Chrysler 300 USA
4. Honda Accord JAPAN
5. Honda Fit JAPAN
6. Infiniti G35 JAPAN/USA
7. Mazda MX-5 JAPAN
8. Mazdaspeed 3 JAPAN
9. Porsche Boxter/Cayman GERMAN
10. Volkswagen GTI GERMAN

I'd say, if anything, they favored the Japanese.

993Turbo - 6/9/2008 8:57:15 AM

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I also think C&D is by far the worst. It is the only car mag I don't subscribe to.

JUGNU - 5/30/2008 3:53:43 PMView My AgentSpace

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ohh so that will be a must read article. Can't wait to see what was their criteria for points...etc.

JUGNU

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answer - 5/30/2008 3:57:08 PMView My AgentSpace

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Can there really be a winner when there are no losers?

All these cars kick major ass.

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BJS470 - 5/31/2008 1:22:33 AM

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blueshirts0819 - 5/30/2008 4:04:11 PM

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Just another C&D way to sell magazine by comparing apples and oranges.

Maybe next time they should compare a SL65 AMG to a Lancer Evo and I can already see the result, "Overall, comparing pricing and drivability, Lancer wins hands down".

I laugh everytime when I see they use the "got to have it factors" or "personal preference factors" on these comparison test.

Well, at the end, C&D just another bathroom reading for me when I do my number 2.

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bigmotov - 5/30/2008 4:18:43 PM

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Couldn't agree more!...especially about #2. There really is no loser in that stellar group and it just boils down to what you want out of a vehicle.

I agree with pcar4evr too in that they wanted something contraversial, much like 001's articles. The GTR has been spanking everything in site and winning praises in EVERY test, so why go with the flow, right???

Star - 5/30/2008 4:31:18 PM

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Htay7500 - 5/30/2008 4:43:34 PM

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"Do you actually believe that a comparison between a 30K tin can like the EVO and a 180K Mercedes AMG is somewhat similar to the comparison between the 55K BMW and 70K GT-R??? I hope you are joking."

he's being sarcastic, if that means anything to you. did you read his first sentence? jeez, what a badge whore.

Star - 5/30/2008 5:12:19 PM

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Are you slow or just pretend to be slow?

Htay7500 - 5/30/2008 5:21:44 PM

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deboost me if you like, but Im not the one who can't understand sarcasm or saying stupid things like "tin cans" when having no prior experience about either car.

Htay7500 - 5/30/2008 5:22:43 PM

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and don't be angry if you can't admit it.

Rennsport - 5/30/2008 4:24:02 PMView My AgentSpace

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The 997 is much better looking IMO; it isnt gaudy. Both the M3 and GT-R have little gaudy trinkets that are unessecary. Im really starting to dislike the M3 design, and the R34 GT-R is MUCH better looking than the R35. The R35 isnt as classy as a Porsche and the new M3 looks too much like a boy-racer's car. Performance wise, i like all of these cars.

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pcar4evr - 5/30/2008 4:40:52 PM

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Agent 001

I own a 997tt and a 335i - my BMW dealer let me have a M3 coupe (was thinking about trading in the 335i for the M3) for an extended test drive. I did not find the difference between the 335 and the M3 that significant, other than the screaming V8. But compared to my turbo? lol

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BMW4me4ever - 5/30/2008 6:27:29 PMView My AgentSpace

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then you didnt really drive the M3. There is a huge difference from the M3 to the 335. Even installing a Dinan Chip and Dinan Exhaust, the M3 blows the doors off the 335. If you drive only 35 mph, then I could see where you didnt notice anything different. If you actually drive the car and push it, then how you can not see a difference is beyond me or anyone else.

xzil3d - 5/30/2008 4:51:17 PMView My AgentSpace

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Sure the M3 is an outstanding vehicle, but I believe this articles is biased and inaccurate

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cyco - 5/30/2008 4:56:24 PM

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I'll certainly be looking for the article when it's posted.

I'm curious to see if this is one of those comparisons where one car beats the other in the performance tests but loses the overall contest based on other factors.

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GermanNut - 5/30/2008 4:56:39 PM

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Too bad the 911 Turbo and GT-R will spank the BMW M3 in every acceleration test, handling test, track test and any other performance test that uses numbers to reach its final conclusion, not opinion.

C&D is the most BMW bias magazine there is.

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MunichRob - 5/30/2008 10:10:56 PMView My AgentSpace

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Actually "Nut" performance numbers have shown the M3 to be quicker through the corners than both the Turbo & R8...However the GT-R's handling truly is on another level, almost that of a GT3 RS's capabilities.

KZ258 - 5/30/2008 4:57:12 PM

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wow what a complete joke. i always knew car & driver and autospies shared some degree of bias towards BMW but goddamn...thinking a M3 can take on the 911 turbo or a GT-R is funnier than saying bush will get elected again. every non-bias car enthusiast knows the 911 turbo and GT-R will hand-chop the M3's @$$ without even getting near the redline.
this shouldnt get anyone mad nor should anyone take it seriously. there were numerous tests done to these cars along with the R8 and i dont recall the M3 even coming near the top spot. yeah the m3 is a great car but the GT-R will murder that thing like a bug to a gorilla.

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farabira1 - 6/2/2008 6:42:39 PM

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You just took the words right out of my mouth.

blueshirts0819 - 5/30/2008 5:24:47 PM

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I'm laughing harder now since I'm reading the "final Results" of how M3 beats GTR and 911. M3 bascially took all the points because of "rear comfort"??

Since when do I bring my kids or my in-laws when people drive these cars? Is not a freaking sedan!!!

Another reason this magazine is only good for when I do my number 2.

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LexSucks - 5/30/2008 5:40:00 PM

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I'm a big BMW fan but I can't see how they gave the nod to the M3. The GT-R will destroy the M3 in every performance measure. These are performance cars, aren’t they?

Car and Driver is now what I consider to be a crap magazine. Their BMW bias is sickening. Maybe I should read the article first before I say that :-)

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Star - 5/30/2008 6:07:55 PM

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So when you are shopping for a performance car you just take the car that has the best performance numbers without even driving it??? How about built quality, driving experience, feel, "details" like that? How about the real street performance which is different(and more important) than the numbers you read in a magazine. A street car no matter how fast, is still a street car and in a street car numbers are ALWAYS secondary to the driving experience and built quality. If things would be different we would all drive around in a Dodge SRT4 stage 3 or a ...GT-R.

LexSucks - 5/30/2008 6:12:50 PM

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I'd say that the Porsche has better build quality than the M3. Porsche is rated higher than BMW in reliability ratings. As Nice as the M3 is, it is still based on one of BMW's lower offerings (3-series). The porshce and Nissan don't have that problem.

Htay7500 - 5/30/2008 6:18:34 PM

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I've never heard of a problem from both the 911 turbo let alone any porsches or the and skyline gtr, unless if either were modified.

Star - 5/30/2008 6:41:51 PM

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If price would have not been part of the equation the Porsche would have won followed by the BMW and at last by the poorly built boy racer GT-R.

xlr8 - 5/30/2008 5:59:05 PM

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haha, this is some funny sh*t. So what happens when these M3 owners get smoked at the track by these 2 superior cars? They say " but car and driver told me I bought the ultimate driving machine, I cant lose!" ROFL...although as a daily driver the m3 is a logical choice...but when your buying true sports cars logics out the window and speed is king!!!

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KillBot - 5/30/2008 6:07:48 PM

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how is it that the slowest car is the best? Watch this video.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=hjwJl4t-DF8

and decide for yourself.

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Htay7500 - 5/30/2008 6:16:12 PM

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fast is fast no matter what its called.

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Star - 5/30/2008 6:47:51 PM

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Fast is fast kid but a fast car is not necessarily a great car, sometimes is just that....a fast car. The Dodge SRT4 and the GT-R are good examples of fast cars that can function only as boy racer cars and never make it to the status of being great cars.

Htay7500 - 5/30/2008 7:17:09 PM

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lots of these "boy racer"-cars are owned by people who know more about their cars than middle-aged millionares who buy a ferrari or porsche, not knowing what the displacement or hp of their cars.

"...GT-R are good examples of fast cars that can function only as boy racer cars and never make it to the status of being great cars."

its not a great car? why? it doesn't have a fancy name like porsche or bmw? like I said, it doesn't matter what the name is, it can be a great car.

Star - 5/30/2008 10:40:41 PM

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Ferrari and Lamborghini are incredible super-cars NO matter who drives them. Of course you are going to find people with money and no automotive knowledge that drive these cars but how is that important in this equation? How is that affecting the quality of these cars? Cars like Ferrari and Lamborghini remain the best money can buy because they are designed and built by the best engineers in the world. If you honestly believe that the GT-R has anything in common with a Ferrari or Porsche other than performance numbers you are completely lost.

ym73 - 6/1/2008 9:14:00 PM

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Ferrari & Lamborghini are all about performance. They are high performance cars that can't be used for everyday driving and beak down alot. So if the GTR can match them in performance I would say they are in the same league. The main difference between the cars is your preference for looks. Ferrari and Lamborghini have amazing designs.

MZauto - 5/30/2008 6:29:01 PM

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In any case, this is not a good news for Porsche. They don't have a good product coming out in the near future. So, I think, maybe, lower their HHHHight prices is a good option.

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Brembo - 5/30/2008 6:33:28 PM

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Everyone who has subscribes C&D know that they are a BMW bias.

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Brembo - 5/30/2008 6:36:10 PM

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Of course every major auto mag of the world are wrong because they know that GT-R is the better car.

weaponX - 5/30/2008 7:28:39 PM

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This victory validates the M-division credo of:

1. Naturally aspirated engines.
2. Rear-wheel drive.
3. 50/50 front/rear weight bias.

The M3 V8 may produce at least 160 less hp than each of its rivals, but this proves that on-paper numbers are deceiving. An engine must never, never be faster than the chassis of a performance car. So says the book of M.

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cs4444 - 5/30/2008 7:36:01 PM

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I think you ment 60hp less

weaponX - 5/30/2008 7:48:00 PM

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Yeah 60 hp. My bad. You get the point. :)

TimmyG - 5/30/2008 8:17:51 PM

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Interestingly the BMW 3.0 twin turbo straight 6 beat the BMW 4.0 V8 in the int'l engine awards!

Agent63 - 5/30/2008 7:59:22 PMView My AgentSpace

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Another extremely controversial topic waiting for flame wars to happen. Don't even bother commenting on this as the Nissan, Porsche, and BMW loyalists will back their brands respectively.

These 3 cars are spectacular in their own right.

Porsche - enough said
GT-R - has proven to be a great car and as usual great value for the price. Can't beat Japanese pricing.
BMW M3 - lives up to its hype. Sounds great but the looks are subjective.

Truth be told. I'd be happy to own any of these but I would still get a 911 Turbo because I love the wide hips and the iconic Porsche look. Of course it's in completely different price ranges but the other cars are NOT duds!. STUDS all around.

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bmwdrvr - 5/31/2008 12:24:26 AM

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the looks to every car are "subjective" other wise good comment......

TimmyG - 5/30/2008 8:16:09 PM

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Regardless of the outcome, I think it's great that we have 3 awesome cars at different price points which all would bring a smile to our car loving faces!

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EL34 - 5/30/2008 8:31:55 PM

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This is how I rate these cars:

1st) Porsche 911 Turbo - tie

1st) BMW M3 - tie

2nd) BMW X6

48th) Nissan GT-R

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cl0wn - 5/31/2008 12:19:48 AM

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X6? lmfao... what a crack head... once again EL with an amazing insight

BJS470 - 5/31/2008 1:30:22 AM

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what rates 50th?

ThierryHenry14 - 5/30/2008 8:39:11 PM

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so from what I am getting from most bias people here is that if it was

GTR in first-it would be expected, BMW sucks, Porsche sucks.

BMW in first (as is the case)-Autospies is bias, C&D is bias and not a trustworthy source.

Porsche comes in first-Autospies is bias, only posting german stuff, C&D is bias

So from what I'm getting, most blind fanboys here will not except anything less than what they want to happen.

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Agent63 - 5/30/2008 11:21:19 PMView My AgentSpace

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