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WOULD YOU BUY A CADILLAC CTS IF YOU COULD GET A TAX BREAK? - And Other Tax Incentives...
Times are tough.  Industries continue to struggle. Housing continues to be a point of contention as declines continue to be reported almost daily.  The US auto industry is hurting as well, sales continue to slide and profits continue to erode, where and when does it stop.

Last week I posed the question of what would you drive if German cars weren’t available, and responses ranged from Ferrari, to Lexus, and even Cadillac, particularly the CTS.

What if buyers were rewarded for buying a domestic car?  Currently tax breaks are available to buyers of Hybrids, and for certain businesses the tax incentives make buying vehicles like the Hummer almost a no brainer.

What if a tax incentive existed that rewarded people who bought domestic.  For the purpose of the discussion, we’ll define domestic as Ford, GM and Chrysler along with their sub brands which are made here in the USA.

Would you take a serious look at a domestic product if such a tax incentive existed?  Would that tax incentive be enough to have you darken the door way of a domestic maker and consider their product?

Take for example the Chevrolet Malibu, not only is it a good looking car, but the build quality and features match those of Honda and Toyota making it a competitive car.  The fact it is a Chevrolet is probably the biggest drawback given the years of crap pumped out by GM.



The Cadillac CTS is another great example of a car that competes with the BMW 5-Series in size, but the BMW 3-Series in price.  Interior wise, the Cadillac beats the BMW 5-Series hands down both in layout and quality of materials.



Would a tax break for purchasing the Cadillac over the BMW, or the Malibu over the Camry or Accord be enough incentive to get people in the door to drive and discover these or other domestic vehicles.

I am not a big fan of taxes, and I am certainly not proposing this as a way to “bail out” the US automakers.  What I am a fan of is an opportunity to be essentially handed back our own money via any and every tax break or incentive available.

So I ask you…

Should buyers of Domestic Cars get a Tax Incentive???
WOULD YOU BUY A CADILLAC CTS IF YOU COULD GET A TAX BREAK? - And Other Tax Incentives...



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AgentOrangeAgentOrange - 5/24/2008 9:42:19 AMView My AgentSpace
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Sure, why the hell not...

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EI34EI34 - 5/24/2008 10:07:48 AM
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85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/26/2008 8:00:53 AMView My AgentSpace
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Caddy already cost less, so tax incentives are irrelevant. queation is would you buy it since it does offer good quality and a better price? Screw the incentives, why should it take that to sell an already great car?


Htay7500Htay7500 - 5/24/2008 9:53:58 AM
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stop stop stop stop your damn bias. I wouldn't mind a g37 but the new cts exceeds what I like. This would be some of the only automatic cars I'd consider.

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Htay7500Htay7500 - 5/24/2008 9:54:26 AM
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stop stop stop stop your damn bias. I wouldn't mind a g37 but the new cts exceeds what I like. This would be some of the only automatic cars I'd consider and I'd take over its rivals

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Agent00JAgent00J - 5/24/2008 10:04:44 AMView My AgentSpace
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Michael Taylor, Is it possible to have an intelligent conversation without your obvious and ignorant ramblings about Lexus and Infiniti?

Both Lexus and Infiniti are great cars, but that is not what is being discussed.

The question posed was, would you consider a domestic car if tax breaks created incentives to do so.

I am confident you know that neither Lexus or Infiniti fall under the heading of domestic, and as such your answer I assume to be, "No."

Telling us yet again of your love of Lexus does nothing to enhance the topic at hand.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 5/24/2008 11:57:02 AMView My AgentSpace
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00J, I guess you don't know about the trolls that roam this site. Just ignore them.

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VISOVISO - 5/24/2008 1:29:02 PM
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You sound like a Lexus propaganda voice box. You lack credibility.

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BoredBored - 5/24/2008 5:34:04 PM
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@ Agent00J,

You are a better man than I, my friend, because I would not have been as nice with my response to morons like MichaelTaylor.

To answer your question, YES, I would love to have that tax break as long as domestic mfg. continue to improve on their quality top to bottom. Malibu, Aura, G8, 300, Charger, Challenger, Camaro, Sky, Solstice, Fusion and Focus (even though I've never been much of a Ford fan), all nice cars that I would be more interested in owning if we got the tax incentive. Personally, I would like to have a fuel efficient runabout with flexibility so if I was choosing a domestic, I would go with the Pontiac Vibe (too bad it doesn't offer the more fuel efficient engine options or resale value of the car it's derived from, the Toyota Matrix).

On a side note: I think c**ksucking d-bags like Michael Taylor are ruining sites like AutoSpies because they are only here to be disruptive and annoying. I vote to have him and others like him BANNED!

All in favor, say "I"!!!

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PorschinatorPorschinator - 5/24/2008 6:59:41 PM
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Well MT obviously likes Japanese cars...no biggie and nothing wrong with that. He makes a few points but Lexus is not the end all of luxury. It is a good brand that wants what the Germans have...desireability and prestige. It will do anything to get it and may screw itself doing it. Cadillac is on the rise and time will tell if it will be what it once was...desireable and prestigious. The old and now new CTS is a great start. The new Escalade ROCKS! But MPG must improve...don't knock its MPG too hard, it is on par or better than the Lexus LX570. The STS execute well too...

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EL34EL34 - 5/24/2008 10:20:21 AM
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The new Caddy CTS is selling like hotcakes where I live in Orange County, Californy.

Like hotcakes!!!

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flozel1flozel1 - 5/25/2008 2:53:32 PM
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No. What he sees is a little of himself as he sits on the crapper and looks down.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 5/24/2008 10:40:23 AM
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Kind of a stupid question considering a lot of people DO buy Cadillacs without tax breaks for doing so. The new CTS is a nice car, lightyears ahead of the previous one.

One thing though -- I've spent a fair amount of time in a new CTS, and I disagree with your statement that it "beats the 5-Series hands down in quality of materials"). It's attractive inside, and I like the hard drive stereo/nav system, but the hard plastic dash top with faux leather covering wasn't nearly as impressive in real life as it is in pictures. To the touch it felt like Cadillac had figured out a way to stitch seams onto a wooden board. It is attractive though, and the rest was fine. It's a good value for someone needing the space of a 5-Series/E-class/A6 without wanting to pay the price for one.

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Agent00JAgent00J - 5/24/2008 11:08:22 AMView My AgentSpace
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I agree with you regarding the dash stitching on the Cadillac, but the overall quality of the materials I think beats that of the 5-Series (and don't forget that I am a big BMW fan).

The CTS was used as an example, obviously the tax break would extend to cars like the 300C SRT-8 and Corvettes and even Ford Taurus. The point of the question is to get people into domestic showrooms.

It is not a stupid question if you take the ENTIRE domestic offering into account, not just the CTS. The CTS was used simply as an example.




JRobUSCJRobUSC - 5/25/2008 12:17:03 PM
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I understand what you're saying, but if the CTS is "just an example" and you want to look across the entire U.S. model lineup, then you might want to change the title of the thread to "Would You Buy an American Car if..." instead of "Would You Buy a Cadillac CTS if..."


simmonsdpsimmonsdp - 5/24/2008 11:54:59 AM
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I would,why the hell not??

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Maverick2020Maverick2020 - 5/24/2008 11:58:46 AM
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This post makes a good point. There are huge business tax breaks for SUVs, but not for regular cars. Frankly it is asinine. I can buy a new Range Rover SC for $94k and get a $38K tax write-off the first year and $21k the second year, etc. But if I purchase a car, the tax write-off is $3k. Doesn't make any sense.

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Agent001Agent001 - 5/24/2008 1:15:19 PMView My AgentSpace
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You only get the deduction if you're self employed.

Hey, if they are giving tax credits, how about them giving advertisers tax credits for buying our ads?

Why should the auto manufacturers benefit?

AutoSpies.com is an American business.

That's the dilemma.

If you give it to one, give it to all...

001




auto001auto001 - 5/24/2008 1:05:02 PM
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CTS is a fine car, as well as the Malibu... future looks bright for GM. If I had the money, I'd have no problems buy these cars (even without any tax breaks), It just boggles the mind why someone would spend the needless thousands more for a BMW, when the Cadillac, beats it on all accounts - even performance (you get a more powerful engine for the money). But I guess people have blinders on and choose BMW for the marque (what a bunch of superficial posers).

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LexSucksLexSucks - 5/24/2008 2:20:20 PM
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auto001,

You sound like a delusional BMW hater. CTS best BMW on all accounts. That alone is enough to put you in a straight-jacket. LOL!


DaHarderDaHarder - 5/24/2008 1:08:14 PM
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Well, I Plan On Replacing My Current M3 With A CTS-V As Soon As It Hits The Market... I'm Over Caring About Whether My Vehicle Has A Blue/White Roundel On Its Hood, As The Current BMW Line-Up Simply Doesn't Appeal To Me Aesthetically - Inside or Out

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auto001auto001 - 5/24/2008 1:26:51 PM
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Welcome to the "real world"... looks like you have severed the connection that had you imprisoned and have awakened from the "dream" world created by the BMW sentient machines :)


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/24/2008 2:26:24 PM
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auto001,

Are you implying that BMW doesn't build some of the best cars in the world?

There may be better cars than BMW. But this big, heavy, underpowered car (CTS) with a course-sounding engine when revved isn't it.

You need to get a clue and get with that smooth inline-6. V6? everyone has that. Now an inline-6 is something unique. Something that sets the 3-series apart from all the boring harsh V6s out there. What ever floats your boat I guess.



85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/26/2008 7:56:44 AMView My AgentSpace
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I don't know Why Lexsux got such a harsh deboost, he speaks the truth, yeah BMW may no be the best but they got something no one else has just like Benz, Audi, Caddy ETC has, and thats what sets carmakers apart. those key differences are what makes us like different car makers for what they have. I say thumbs up for caddy finaly bringing a worthy American competitor to the field.


xfiftyxfifty - 5/24/2008 1:21:08 PM
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First off, in my entire life I owned nothing but Germand cars and since 2 years ago I decided enough is enough. I have decided to purchase only American cars which I bought 2 already weather there is tax break or not.

I'm tired of giving my hard earned money to Germans and Jap. cars. No more of my money will go out of this country.

Keep up the good work GM, FORD and Chrysler.

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85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/24/2008 8:57:05 PMView My AgentSpace
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Well, Gee, most domestic car makers have less American parts and content than the japanese do. So do you buy the American nissan titan or the Mexican dodge. Or do you buy the Chevy aveo which is a dwaewoo or an equinox who's engine is made in china. Define American
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http://www.autoweb.com/content/shared/articles/templates/index.cfm/article_id_int/1965


SSP350SSP350 - 5/24/2008 1:59:00 PM
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I'd consider it, why not? Besides Cadillac, though, there's not much else to compare German and Japanese vehicles to. But for the sole purpose of saving tax money I'd give it a second thought, but probably won't do it. I love my cars too much and the domestics just don't offer enough.

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LexSucksLexSucks - 5/24/2008 2:17:24 PM
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Instead of buying caddilacs why dont we just vote the republicans out of office?

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simmonsdpsimmonsdp - 5/24/2008 3:56:27 PM
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Yeah, that will fix everything....


LexSucksLexSucks - 5/24/2008 6:29:18 PM
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Did I say that it would?


simmonsdpsimmonsdp - 5/25/2008 4:18:59 AM
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No but you will be worse off if they do leave office...


autoproautopro - 5/24/2008 2:36:50 PMView My AgentSpace
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It depends on the size of the tax break.If it was big enough to pay for the car,then YES!!!!!

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mikeuclamikeucla - 5/24/2008 3:55:06 PM
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I definitely want the domestics to have better sales, because I believe they've definitely put in more effort and developed a better product. But a tax incentive is not the answer. It's virtually the same as an import tariff. It would be putting the foreign makes at a competitive disadvantage. Who's to say there wouldn't be any retaliation across the border? A tax on our exports? I honestly think the best solution is to wait it out. American cars are definitely much improved, it will only be a matter of time until the average consumer realizes this and sales pick up. Hopefully it's sooner rather than later, or else it may end up being too late for one or more of the domestic manufacturers.

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91z4me91z4me - 5/27/2008 11:27:47 AM
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Just an FYI the Japanese have HUGE import tarrifs to their home market to effectively stop outside competition.


markanthony0419markanthony0419 - 5/27/2008 2:01:21 PM
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they already tax our exports.


RupertRupert - 5/24/2008 6:15:26 PMView My AgentSpace
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You think the US would ever implement something so brazenly socialist as this? Pay people to buy sub-standard cars? (Obviously not all are). If you subsidise they get lazy again, and you end up with poor quality cars.
I thought the US was in favour of the free market...

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PorschinatorPorschinator - 5/24/2008 6:52:34 PM
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In person the CTS is the best looking to me and the MB C and BMW 3 Coupe is a near 2nd. It is all about taste. Of course people will be skeptical but check one out. I was skeptical too until a buddy bought one and loves it. Made me a believer!

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DROOPYSAKKDROOPYSAKK - 5/24/2008 7:05:02 PM
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its a good idea, why not



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bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 5/24/2008 9:41:52 PM
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the cts seems to be selling well i dont think it really needs some crazy promotion to sell its alot of car for the money.....it really is in my opinion the best American car out, its interior is high quality, great styling, excellent features, good price, and even Consumer Reports liked it which seems to be hard to get and be American, It really is the only no excuses American car out, if only Lincoln could stop trying to be an alternative to the cars its based on and create competitive cars

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85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/26/2008 7:59:34 AMView My AgentSpace
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Thank you! Lincoln are you listening. They started out good with the LS but gave up and quit just when they had our attantion.


bmwfan1513bmwfan1513 - 5/24/2008 10:09:59 PM
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I would buy one no matter what. Tax breaks would be an awesome idea, though. That would attract more people.

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SteedPubSteedPub - 5/24/2008 10:28:31 PM
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A tax incentive to buy American is a great idea. We need more Nationalism, incentive to support our own industries.

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DW1968DW1968 - 5/25/2008 12:43:56 AM
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There are really two parts to Agent00J's hypothetical question:

1) Would a tax incentive make me consider a domestic car when I otherwise wouldn't have? The answer to that is No. I try to keep an open mind about domestics all the time--but if I had decided that I didn't want one, then a tax incentive is very unlikely to change my mind.

2) If I WAS considering domestics and imports, would a tax incentive influence me toward a domestic? The answer to that is: it depends (on why I'm buying, and how big the incentive is).

Tax incentives for consumers to buy domestic cars are absolutely the wrong answer, though, in my opinion. If anything, the government should give the automakers a tax break for each sale that they make...this would incent them to make cars that people actually want (rather than rewarding consumers for consuming something that otherwise might not be appealing, try incenting the domestic automakers to be more competitive and responsive to market demands). Or the government should co-invest with the auto-industry on research & development that helps the country--better safety or fuel-efficiency or eco-manufacturing, etc...this provides benefits for the whole country AND reduces the cost basis for the domestic automakers.


BTW, I would consider a Cadillac CTS even without tax incentives.

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xlr8xlr8 - 5/25/2008 7:01:58 AM
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It would be cool, but none of these companies make anything im interested in unfortunately. I like the corvette but its impractical for my needs so...nope wouldnt make a difference.

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Agent63Agent63 - 5/25/2008 8:22:08 AMView My AgentSpace
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Sure why not?

The new CTS looks classier, bigger and has a more refined interior that it's predecessor.

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In response to that MichaelTaylor character: You're like an automated Lexus & Infiniti advertisement pumping out propaganda to the folks on this site. NO one is buying it. I don't think you've owned any Germans before so I don't know where you're getting the idea of cheap interiors from. Have you seen the recent improvements from Mercedes? and Audi's ongoing superb build quality? now that's class leading.

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xlr8xlr8 - 5/25/2008 9:46:11 AM
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lol I think michaeltaylor is the balance to all the bmw fanbois here that promote ibbmwfanboibmw>all.


amazinBimmeramazinBimmer - 5/25/2008 9:54:23 AM
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i dont think id drive this POS if it was free...

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AgentOrangeAgentOrange - 5/25/2008 12:23:47 PMView My AgentSpace
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I drive a Bimmer, but I wouldn't hesitate moving into a CTS..
Caddy's done a great job with it's product offering..


M53RM53R - 5/25/2008 1:26:42 PMView My AgentSpace
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Wanna bet?


mercuryguymercuryguy - 5/25/2008 6:22:26 PM
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Congress should enact this immediately. Allow Americans to write off the entire purchase price of a domestic auto off their income tax. Ford, Chevy or Chrysler.

Times are tough. These cars are good enough for anyone especially since the nation is at war, and solders living at poverty levels are fighting the war. It is time for Americans to get back to basics and forget about status symbols. We are all living beyond our mean, which is why bankruptcy is at record levels.

We have all just become too spoiled on wanting the best.

New York State already charges a few grand in sales tax on new autos, plus endless registration and user fees. Give working families a well deserved break.


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sigmabodysigmabody - 5/25/2008 6:30:17 PM
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Personally, I considered a Caddy in my last car search, and there would certainly have been a price point where I would have purchased it instead of the Lexus I ended up going with. It would just depend on how large the tax break was.

In general, though, the answer is yes: the American government could certainly spur domestic purchases by providing enough tax breaks, and/or tariffs on imports. Other countries might complain about it to the WTO, and our foreign purchases would get more expensive, but it certainly can be done.

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mercuryguymercuryguy - 5/26/2008 2:00:08 AM
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I like the STS or the Deville better than the CTS. The STS has a great Nothstar engine with a lot of get up and go.

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85bmw745i85bmw745i - 5/26/2008 8:04:53 AMView My AgentSpace
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Yeah I like the STS but they didn't give it as much attention as they did the CTS If they did the STS would be on my list


mercuryguymercuryguy - 5/26/2008 2:02:32 AM
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not a fan of the Alpha names.

STS should remain Seville

MKZ should remain Zephyr. People Identify better with names, not letters.

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mercuryguymercuryguy - 5/26/2008 2:03:45 AM
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CTS seems more like Cimmeron. Entry Level Caddy.

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mercuryguymercuryguy - 5/26/2008 2:06:00 AM
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I can see SS Camaro, MoteCarlo and Impala. or R/T for Chrysler. Everyone knows these are performance editions.

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damikcodamikco - 5/26/2008 10:02:08 PMView My AgentSpace
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soopakrnsoopakrn - 5/27/2008 2:45:17 AM
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I think you really need to look again at what you are stating about the quality of the two GM vehicles mentioned.

Yes. Both the Malibu and CTS have great designs and quality. But to say that the Malibu has the same quality as a Camry or an Accord would be wrong. I would more agree to the fact that the GM has reached the quality levels that were achieved by Honda and Toyota back in 2002 with their then 2002 Camry and 2000 Honda Accord. But to say that it is on par with the current Accord and Camry models would be foolish. Don't get me wrong though. the Malibu is a great vehicle. And really is something that I myself would consider.

The same goes for the Cadillac CTS. Great vehicle as well. But to say that quality matches that of the BMWs is foolish. It may rival that of BMW 3 and 5 series from the past, but not that of the current models. The build quality and material quality exceeds those of GM's Cadillac CTS. Again, same applies to the CTS as well for me. A wonderful vehicle that I truly would consider as well.

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GriffsdGriffsd - 5/29/2008 10:20:14 AM
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I personally don't like the fact that sitting in the CTS forces my knees into the glovebox. Will this car hold up over time? Will it turn into the rattle mobile that most domestic cars have a tendency to do? Not willing to take that chance even with a tax break.

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