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What In The World Is Wrong At Lexus?
Listen to the news and watch the figures, and there is little doubt the economy is in turmoil.  This is often echoed by manufacturers who lead us to believe  the ground had shifted below them and they were caught with too many gas guzzling SUV’s on the lots. While I have no doubt to a degree this is true, it isn’t the main reason all of the manufactures are slumping.

The simple fact remains some brands appeal to different demographics, and those groups in general may be more susceptible to the economic downturn.  The manufacturers in turn try to offset the slow traffic by sweetening the pot with high residual low payment leases to keep enticing the buyers to make the purchase.  In a perfect world this all makes sense, until it no longer works.

A case in point may be Mercedes Benz, whose sales are up a respectable 2.3% for the year.  Not bad considering the entire market is down about 10.5% for the same time period. Mercedes consistently leases about 55% of their vehicles year in and year out, so business seems to going on as usual.  Obviously those who buy a Benz seem to be unaffected by the downturn in general.  With positive financials result from the parent company for the year, Mercedes is showing its true strengths in the face of adversity.

Audi on the other hand hasn’t fared quite as well, but by no means are they suffering to the degree of the others either.  Down 1.9% on the year might not seem to be a great figure, but like Mercedes, Audi has not resorted to incentive based payments to keep customers coming in to the showroom and buying.  With a constant leasing rate of about 50% for the year and an extremely successful Certified Pre-Owned vehicle program, Audi may be well on the way of avoiding the depreciation levels experienced by other brands.  Audi and parent company Volkswagen are well on their way to another record year financial and sales year in 2008.

While Infiniti leasing figures were not available to me at the time of this article (as are most Japanese firms), a simple glance across the board appears, that business as usual applies here as well.  The results for Infiniti so far into the year are just a modest drop in sales of 3.0%, however grumblings from parent company Nissan are indicating that gloomy profit results are in the future for quite sometime due to the Japanese yen no longer being held artificially low.  If the economy continues on it current course, Infiniti is destine for a bumpy road for quite sometime.

BMW is a different sort of animal all together.  Relying on a well deserved high residual rate, leasing a BMW has always been a no brainer.  In fact BMW’s industry high 60% lease rate may be coming back to bite them.  BMW has experienced a double blow with an unfavorable exchange rate, and dropping residuals in SUV’s  are wreaking havoc with a profit shortfall for the industry giant in 2008.  Sales in the US are down 8.0% for the year just ahead of the industry average.

What about Acura?  Until recently Acura was the subject of numerous jokes.  Saddled with parent company Honda’s power trains, Acura was given with only smaller 4 cylinder and V6 models.  Not the formula for success when gas is cheap and horsepower is in favor.  However the tables have turned because gas is no longer cheap and Acura’s lineup now suddenly makes sense to a lot more people. Even though Acura is down 14.3% for the year, they are reversing the trend in general posting a 10.7% decline for the month of July.  Considering parent company Honda’s performance over the least few months Acura should continue to gain steam towards the end of the year.

You wouldn’t think I could leave out the number one brand in the US Lexus, now would you?  Even though parent company Toyota doesn’t break out Lexus as separate entity, we do know the rising yen and suffering sales are having their effect not only in the US but globally. For years Lexus aficionados thumbed their noses at the establishment as they rolled through a relatively untapped market and shot directly to number one position in the US.  But with a weak economy, Lexus has now proven to have an Achilles heal. For some reason or another, Lexus buyers are not buying at the same rate.  Lexus is currently at a 15.2% decline for the year.  While one might consider only a short lived problem, there are other factors to contend with.

Lexus has always been tightly linked with Toyota.  Building on Toyota’s legendary strengths helped Lexus get to where it is.  But now with numerous public recalls and several well documented quality issues with recent Toyota products, Lexus may now consider that that association more of a hindrance.  It is also becoming increasingly apparent that the Lexus customer may be visibly suffering from the same ill effects as the masses.  We know this by watching Lexus’ historically low lease rates skyrocket over the last year.  In the first 7 months of 2007 year Lexus leases accounted for 33.2% of all sales.  For 2008 that figure has jumped to 42.8% for the first 7 months of 2008 without a formal incentive program in place to boost leasing.

The above figures are fine if you are stilling selling vehicles.  Leases typically allow the buyer to buy more for less monthly outlay.  However Lexus sales figures fail to show a trend in that manner.  It almost can be concluded that Lexus buyers are now seeking out ways to afford the same car for less and save a little money in the process.

Over the last 3 months Lexus sales figures are averaging an almost 25% drop in sales.

It is may be easy to blame Lexus woes a SUV heavy lineup. Actually this may not be the case; Lexus SUV sales for the year are only down only 10.1%.  The problem is the core line up of cars is no longer selling, actually down 18.3% for the year.  With a full compliment of hybrids in this mix Lexus has failed to gain the critical leverage it needed to continue forward in the most difficult of times. With precious few new models on the horizon Lexus seems to have back itself into a corner.

Many were shocked when Toyota overtook Ford sales in the US and moved behind GM.  However during this same time frame Lexus started losing ground in a big way to rival BMW.  A while back I predicted BMW would overtake Lexus as number one in the US this year. Unless something radically changes soon, Lexus will lose the number one in the next quarter, but it could be as early as next month if Lexus stumbles.  A mere 3466 cars separate the two positions and BMW has been relentlessly chipping away at that figure since mid last year. All it takes in one good month for BMW to make the move.

So back the headline “What in the world is wrong at Lexus?”  The evidence makes is seem they haven’t simply hit a bump.  There are too many factors to point to this.  Have they done so well at targeting the entry level of market (ES and RX sales account for 56% of all Lexus sales) that the rest of the lineup can no longer carry the brand? Have they cultivated a clientele that merely that simply aspires to be like the rest? Has the close association with parent Toyota tarnished the brand?  Or simply is everyone else in the market doing a better job at this time?

We have a lot of smart and well informed readers out there.  So take a look at the facts tell us what it is going to take to get Lexus back on track.



What In The World Is Wrong At Lexus?



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w209w114w209w114 - 8/6/2008 3:51:09 PMView My AgentSpace
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I'll tell you, Bland vehicles without a soul...

Just kidding... Well sorta, but seriously I think they have become too specific in their target customers (what was the average age of the typical Lexus owner again?) and havent appealed to the general and broad bases that BMW and Mercedes-Benz have.

Since Lexus' client base is much older (not to use the word ancient), they are more prone to delay car purchasing during difficult economic times by clamping down and spending and stepping up their savings.


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w209w114w209w114 - 8/6/2008 3:52:31 PMView My AgentSpace
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clamping down on spending and stepping up their savings**



JanizaryJanizary - 8/6/2008 3:57:07 PMView My AgentSpace
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On the positive side slow Lexus sales made my less-than-one-year-used IS350 a steal. Local dealer has an inventory backlog with cars beginning to overflow in the customer parking area and driveway areas. Early lease return with ~7K miles on it for thousands under KBB/NADA, or just shy of $11K (USD) off the new price for the same car.

Next stop will be at one of the local Dodge dealers selling all RAM models at 50% off (Towbin Dodge, look it up). My aging F350 will be happy to be replaced by a new RAM 3500 Dual-axle for 50% off. ;)


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thstonethstone - 8/6/2008 4:04:47 PM
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Three key issues that won't go away...

1. Toyota Lineage - Double-edged sword. Good for getting buyers to move up from Toyota to Lexus, but you're never gonna convince a potential BMW or MB buyer that its nothing more than a fancy toyota.

2. Lack of Brand Identity - BMW is the UDM and MB is the pinnacle of luxury. What does Lexus really stand for?

3. Boring Vehicles - Capable, nice, interesting, well thought out, perform well, but so darn boring. Let's face it, Lexus got famous from the ES (a fancy Toyota) and the RX (a cheap X5). Beyond that, they don't have any more cards to play. Lexus did leverage Toyota's hybrid technology to become the #1 luxury green car brand, the problem is that no one cared. Buyers of luxury vehicles could care less about 16% better gas mileage. Luxury buyers want style and performance, not exactly Lexus' forte.


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goochgooch - 8/6/2008 4:47:05 PM
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You'd call the RX a "cheap" X5? Why you wanna embarrass the Bimmer like that?


nozferatunozferatu - 8/6/2008 6:04:31 PM
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What exactly is so exciting about a C or E class Benz? Or even a 5 series Beemer?

Some of the most boring, most sterile feeling cars on the road.



Agent63Agent63 - 8/6/2008 6:47:59 PMView My AgentSpace
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The C and the E has had AMG offerings for awhile now. The IS was boring until the IS-F came out and even then it's still boring. Their quad exhaust isn't even the real exhaust. That's not worth the premium price.


nozferatunozferatu - 8/6/2008 7:26:10 PM
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To each his own...what you find exciting, I find boring.


bimmerbimmer - 8/7/2008 11:38:46 AMView My AgentSpace
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@nozferatu - 8/6/2008 6:04:31 PM

<<What exactly is so exciting about a C or E class Benz? Or even a 5 series Beemer?

Some of the most boring, most sterile feeling cars on the road.>>

Did you ever drive a 5 series BMW ? Even a 525 will embarass you after driving it, because it WILL change your point of view. Until then... sorry to say but you are a moron to write about something you don't know.



nozferatunozferatu - 8/8/2008 2:03:30 PM
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bimmer:

yes I have driven a 5 series...and a 6 series, and a 3 series. And they are BORING. I don't see the appeal to them....sorry. They feel like I'm sitting in a doctor's office and the only thing missing is my latte.

Dull cars...over-rated.



nozferatunozferatu - 8/8/2008 2:04:55 PM
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And if you think a 525 is an exciting car that'll "embarrass" me....you've got some seriously low standards.

You're just a "I'll jump on the bandwagon" person...not to mention your bias clearly just from your name.



Maverick2020Maverick2020 - 8/6/2008 4:20:36 PM
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You have to remember that the original Lexus positioning back in 1989 was a combination of Mercedes craftsmanship with (then) Cadillac comfort.

Clearly the luxury market has changed since then. Now it is much more multi-faceted and has a distinctly performance element that is not necessarily in Lexus' DNA.

Lexus' strongholds are in CA, FL and New England--all areas which are having some pretty tough economic conditions. I'm not about to write Lexus obituary because they have some pretty smart guys in Torrance and Toyota City.


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HSCenterconsoleHSCenterconsole - 8/6/2008 4:22:05 PM
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"It's the product, stupid." -- Different take on an old political saying.

At the end of the day, Lexus produces uninspiring cars. While the IS-F was a step in the right direction, how many cars has Lexus produced that make people say "wow?"

Look at Mercedes for example. They keep putting out amazing products, from the SL65 AMG Black Series to the CL550 4MATIC. These cars create headlines and turn heads. Same story with BMW. With the new M3 models, the X6 (love it or hate it), and 1-Series, these cars get the headlines and the public's attention.

At the end of the day, it is hard for Lexus to carry the brand on numerous rebadged Toyota products (ES, RX, LX, etc.). And let's be honest, there aren't many people who get excited for the GS or IS. The German competition has a product line up that is far more diverse and exciting. And in the long run, this is a far better business strategy.


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goochgooch - 8/6/2008 4:50:14 PM
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Michael, you're so off point. Reread what HSCenterconsole wrote. I like Lexuses; heck, my soon-to-be ex-wife has a GX that has been great for her. But the vehicles are as boring as counting blades of grass. My sport package-equipped 325i has more charisma in one 17" wheel than her GX.
Okay, maybe two wheels.



steve27tsteve27t - 8/6/2008 4:55:35 PM
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MT = Amazintoyota !

It would be nice to read one of these links without the stupid comments from marque worshipers. MT must dream of dying and going to heaven in a Lexus hybrid.



Agent009Agent009 - 8/6/2008 4:57:20 PMView My AgentSpace
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MT is pretty cool and he NEVER steps out of line, however he may be a bit misguided. Rock on MT!


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/6/2008 5:19:17 PM
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michael: the cars you mention represent perhaps 2% of sales. the are not the brand. they are exceptions. and several of them aren't even exceptional at all.


mpwrmpwr - 8/6/2008 4:27:19 PM
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Well for one, its a LEXOTA. Good marketing does not make greatness. Live by the sword, die by the sword. Maybe they can convince 1.3 billion Chinese that they are not a Toyota.

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silver1silver1 - 8/6/2008 4:34:09 PM
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Nothing's Wrong with Lexus, they are going to be perfectly find.

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pchera01pchera01 - 8/6/2008 4:50:03 PM
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well, Lexus sells most RX and ES. most people who buy those cars are working class people(most asians too). well, they are the one hurting now on gas and rest of the financial inssues. On the other hand MB and BMW buyes are rich money in hand, are the custmers. it doesn't bother them at all


goochgooch - 8/6/2008 4:52:55 PM
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"Fine," not "find," right?

pchera01, what an elitist thing to say. I bought my Bimmer USED. Does that mean I'm a working class stiff trying to perpetrate that I have money? No -- it means I'm an enthusiast who likes to drive a car that has soul and character. And get 30 mpg when I'm not on a blitzkrieg run.



thetruth01thetruth01 - 8/6/2008 4:55:48 PM
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You just love coming up with reasons why Lexus is failing, when it is so painfully obvious. Lexus is down from unprecedented sales last year, a time when they debuted several new products, which sold like gangbusters out of the gate. And this year they have no new product driving increased sales. It is purely cyclical, which is why Lexus is doing no panicking. They have the new RX in the wings, and plans for IS variants and the new hybrid next year. Their sales will climb then. They will continue to lose ground until then, but such is business. MBZ would be down a whole lot as well if not for one vehicle, the lowly C Klasse. And yet new vehicles (1 and X6) have not helped BMW weather the economic storm, because the rest of their products are aged and the two new ones are just niches.

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0to600to60 - 8/6/2008 4:55:59 PM
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Their products are all aged like their customers! LOL. They need to redesign every 4 years max

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answeranswer - 8/6/2008 5:10:26 PMView My AgentSpace
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I love Lexus, but they have gotten away from what made them so successful in the mid 90's. BEING DIFFERENT.

The original SC sold well because it looked like nothing else, the reliability and build quality was just a nice bonus.

The current Lexus lineup, while good, doesn't differ enough from the competition.


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ThierryHenry14ThierryHenry14 - 8/6/2008 5:16:19 PM
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Its just that Lexus seemed like a company that was set by Toyota to "steal" market shares away from the likes of BMW, MB, and now Audi, but personally, I think that it lacked soul and a purpose on the market other than for Toyota to get a foothold in the (then) lucrative luxury market.

Thats just my take on it. Don't get me wrong, I think that Lexus has caused many luxury marques to take a step back and re-evaluate their products, but at the end, I think that Lexus has no true fan following (or better known as a cult) or no one quality that keeps its buyers loyal. Its kind of a mix of every brand, so thats where its downfall lies...

Again, just my opinion...


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enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/6/2008 5:17:07 PM
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lexus is an aspirational brand. value pricing relative to competitors has always been a big part of the appeal of the brand. as such, many lexus owners aspire to a luxurious lifestyle but don't really have the hard dollars to support it.

also, the brand's sales worldwide are driven entirely the the entry level. as mentioned in the above analysis, RX and ES represent 56% of sales. add in


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truthpursuittruthpursuit - 8/6/2008 8:06:26 PM
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So the 3 series is 70% of BMW's business.


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/6/2008 9:04:14 PM
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actually, the 3-series is just under 60% of brand sales. and guess what? it's an AMAZING car. and people are willing to pay a large premium over competitors for one. i have one. a 335i.

what's so great about the RX? or the ES?



enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/6/2008 9:05:20 PM
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oh...and sales of the 3-series are solid while most of the lexus models are experiencing massive declines.


Agent009Agent009 - 8/7/2008 8:50:13 AMView My AgentSpace
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Actually the 3 series sedan comprises 45.8% of sales and the X3 7.2% or a total of 53% of all sales for BMW can be contributed to something based on a 3 series.

However the ES and RX are both priced in a relatively narrow price band.

But I bet one of our well informed readers out there might be able to give us some insight on just how many of the 3 series sales are actually M series which are priced double the cost of an ES.

The true test would be the average transaction price for the 3 series compared to the ES/RX. I would venture to say the BMW transaction prices are far higher than Lexus.




LexSucksLexSucks - 8/7/2008 1:01:59 PM
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"what's so great about the RX? or the ES?"

- You will not get an answer because their isn't anything great about those cars.



enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/7/2008 4:53:49 PM
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agent:

M3 coupe/sedan/convertible, 335i coupe/sedan/convertible are all vastly more expensive than an ES or RX. and many 328s are as well.



enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/6/2008 5:17:29 PM
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add in IS and you're up over 75%.

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truthpursuittruthpursuit - 8/8/2008 8:24:19 PM
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All 3 series have a cheap lease,means bmw is buying business to hold market share.They don't have the money to do it forever.


theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 8/6/2008 5:32:51 PM
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Lexus biggest problem is it's a three trick pony car company;

1.ES
2.RX
3.LS

Once you move beyond those cars the sales numbers drop off rapidly. The strongest selling points for those top three autos are they are unique in their segments. The ES offers pure luxury and not a hint of sport, stealing sales form Buick, Cadillac, and Lincoln customers, brilliant. The RX the first crossover, at target that everybody has been shooting at. The LS once again a pure luxury car in a world of luxury sports cars. All unique in their segments.

Where Lexus fall down is when the try to copy other brands, IS,GS,LX,and SC. If I were Lexus I would refocus on my target market and stopping trying to be all things to all people. The LF-A a 200k Lexus is a complete waste of money, Funds that should have been spent on a GS replacement that is a pure luxury car between the ES and LS.


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AgentOrangeAgentOrange - 8/6/2008 5:42:19 PMView My AgentSpace
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"What's wrong with Lexus"?
Nothing - other than old people eventually die - and there goes your target demographic....


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VISOVISO - 8/6/2008 5:53:03 PM
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For Lexus it is a double edged sword. Lexus has relied almost exclusively on the North American market to drive the brand. However, Lexus sales are hurting badly in Europe as well creating a bigger issue for Lexus. Lexus cannot look at other markets to counter the American market's downturn. This is not necessarily the case for the Germans, although MB and BMW have warned of not meeting sales and profit targets for 2008. Only Audi will likely meet its sales target with a definite increase in profits. Due to the Germans' greater global presence, they can better isolate themselves from the American downturn while unfortunately Lexus cannot.

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EL34EL34 - 8/6/2008 5:59:26 PM
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Lexus makes one dum lookin' car that comes in 4 sizes.

:-|


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nozferatunozferatu - 8/6/2008 6:02:42 PM
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Yes and BMW, Benz, and Audi all have very different looking cars right? Let's add Porsche to the mix as being the only car manufacturer that has been able to make the same car over and over again for the last 50 years to probably the dumbest of all crowds...but MB, BMW, and Audi follow closely.


1evlaudi1evlaudi - 8/6/2008 11:50:13 PMView My AgentSpace
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LOL




nozferatunozferatu - 8/6/2008 6:01:00 PM
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The reason why MB is up 2.3% is precisely because it manages to lease so many of its junk cars.

If people were actually buying them, they'd be in the toilet. They are hedging against their own car's depreciation and the effects will not be felt until all these idiots who leased one have to return them.


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SteedPubSteedPub - 8/6/2008 6:36:50 PM
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Well by your argument you only illustrate the issues with Lexus. They lease just as many of their cars as a percentage as Mercedes Benz and BMW.

So your lease vs purchase argument is irrelevant in propping up Lexus.



nozferatunozferatu - 8/6/2008 7:25:26 PM
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I'm not propping up Lexus.


0to600to60 - 8/7/2008 8:59:24 PM
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SteedPub, actually I think Lexus does sale more cars then lease them out. MB and BMW are the opposite however the gap between the two are not that far apart. Typically it isnt the older crowd that pose and pretend like they can afford more than they can truly chew. So I dont think the theory about Lexus buyers not having the money is true. Additionally most entry level cars are a luxury makers best seller. And the ES is just about in a class of its own for the luxury brands. Maybe other brands should consider offering a ES competitor. Something larger thats built for a family yet priced like a fully loaded Maxima or Avalon. Lexus seriously needs to redesign ther entire lineup. That would boost sales tremendously. All of their vehicles have been out for a while now and sales do typically decline over time for models.


0to600to60 - 8/7/2008 9:07:56 PM
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oh ye, and Lexus's lease rates and financing rates SUCKED prior to recently. they never offered good lease rates. And you could have a perfect credit score and the best interest rate toy finance would offer is 8% while others offered 3-5%. yet they still sold more cars in the US. So people are in fact spending more to own a Lexus if they used their financing.


UFMBAUFMBA - 8/6/2008 6:25:17 PM
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"ASPIRATIONAL BRAND" says it all! Just wannabees. LOL
LEXUS=WALMART LUXURY
Since the economy is down their customers base is suffering. They need to stick buying Toyotas until the economy bounces back. Maybe they don't have no equity left in their home?


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sectorsector - 8/6/2008 6:34:52 PM
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LOL, I guess you're not based in America, last time I checked Lexus is #1 luxury in NA. Over 60% of Lexus sales are purchases, not leases like BMW or Benz. People who lease are usually the ones that are broke, you have it the other way around. Oh, did I mention Toyota is #1 auto maker in the world?


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/6/2008 9:06:35 PM
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sure it's #1...if you consider a tarted up camry and harrier a luxury car. not.


SteedPubSteedPub - 8/6/2008 6:34:17 PM
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One reason they are sucking wind is because the cadre of mindless poofy haired Realtors who don't know anything about cars aren't making any money right now.

The brand has fallen on tough times because their products are bland and without a soul. When times get tough, the money gets more picky.


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EL34EL34 - 8/6/2008 10:41:04 PM
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Any good Realtor is making more money today than when it's a hot Seller's market.

A good Realtor switches strategy to working short sales and REO's.

You know what I'n sayin'?



SteedPubSteedPub - 8/6/2008 11:57:58 PM
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Those aren't the poofy haired mindless ones who have been supporting Lexus for the past decade.


0to600to60 - 8/7/2008 9:01:47 PM
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short sales are a pain in the ASS! I would rather wait for the short sale listing to become a REO and pick up the listing then. A smart realtor would RUN when they heard the words short sale. What a nightmare. Banks require WAY to much for those and take WAY to long!


0to600to60 - 8/7/2008 9:03:03 PM
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hear*


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Target market, current economy, lack of new exciting vehicles, soft image and strong connection with toyota (meaning great vehicles, just nothing exciting), thier vehicle cycles are also too damn long. The RX, GX, SC, IS are the dinosars in their respective classes.



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truthpursuittruthpursuit - 8/6/2008 8:09:40 PM
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Watch what happens in Aug.THE EVENT!!!!!

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Agent009Agent009 - 8/7/2008 9:35:58 AMView My AgentSpace
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Lexus is praying it will be a good month.


DrFill2009DrFill2009 - 8/6/2008 8:21:20 PM
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If you are going to TRY to run down Lexus, that's fine, just do a little R&D.
First, you are adding in Mini's numbers to BMW's. Mini sales are up big (surprise).
Take Mini out, and BMW is still one month behind Lexus in sales.
One MONTH! Lexus isn't exactly shaking.

DrFill


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Agent009Agent009 - 8/7/2008 9:33:58 AMView My AgentSpace
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See the comments below. Mini were subtracted form the totals


huu76huu76 - 8/6/2008 8:23:06 PM
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That's a whole lot of hot air and you still missed two crucial facts.

8.5% financing or 4.9% leasing with $8800 down. Lexus customers generally buy, if the economy looks rough, they'll hold onto their cars for an extra year.

You can't walk down the street without tripping over an incentive laden German car ad.

Lexus sales might be down, but I guarantee profit per car is the same if not higher.

optmistic,
BMW is a one trick loser. Half their sales come from 1 car and its the cheap one. ES, RX and LS are all above $40,000. You can get a BMW for next to nothing now.


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enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/6/2008 9:08:15 PM
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here you go again, quoting financing rates for cars you neither lease nor own. which one of your brothers/friends/etc. is currently paying these stupid rates this time?


enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/6/2008 9:10:25 PM
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and fyi huu...lexus models MSRPs are already at a major discount to comparable german models. for example, S550 STARTS at $87,000, LS starts at $61,000. so lexus really shouldn't have to discount off of MSRP in theory. but they do...and sales are down 25%+ for the past three months.

why do you think this is so?



harbingerofsmokeharbingerofsmoke - 8/7/2008 12:51:22 PM
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The following people are fired: Kim Jong Il, my boss and huu76.


huu76huu76 - 8/6/2008 8:25:34 PM
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Why does the ultimate driving machine that's geared towards stick shifting enthusiasts giving away free automatic transmissions? The only thing BMW hasn't offered up so far is the kitchen sink.

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enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 8/6/2008 9:11:31 PM
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free? huh?


goochgooch - 8/7/2008 7:05:48 AM
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Huu,

What are you smoking?



DogLbDogLb - 8/6/2008 8:29:44 PM
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quite simply...Lexus has a bland styling issue. From a distance, it can be hard to differentiate an ES from an LS. Also, Lexus uses ugly stock rims on their cars - this makes a huge difference (note ANY sport package BMW, MB, etc.) in style/appearance. It's like cheap shoes with a nice suit.

an whoever said in these posts - I'm paraphrasing - "the working class buy the ES and RX" is an idiot I hope you are smarter and can come up with somehting a little better than that unoriginal blanket statement. There are plenty of people with $$$ who buy these cars - they're just not car enthusiasts most likely. I know people with plenty of money who buy Hyundais and I know plenty of "$30K millionaires" who buy waaay more car than they can afford.


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DrFill2009DrFill2009 - 8/6/2008 8:48:15 PM
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Made a HUGE mistake. BMW is, in fact, olny about 3k behind the Lexus YTD, without MINI. My bad!

Where BMW makes up ground is with 5-series vs GS, and RX sales falling in it's last year bfore redesign, about 20%, and the LS moving upmarket, sacrificing some volume.

A new RX will be here next year, and Toyota will see a spike when they get around to replacing he GX with a large HPX crossover.

DrFill


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Agent009Agent009 - 8/7/2008 9:35:17 AMView My AgentSpace
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That's OK. I actually try to be as accurate as possible.


AMG247AMG247 - 8/6/2008 9:16:19 PM
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In my opinion, what it comes down to is charisma and the "mojo" factor. People in America have become more image and style oriented. People want to wear designer clothing, carry around an iphone, and their choice of an automobile is an extension of that. A Lexus will never have the mojo of a Mercedes-Benz or BMW. Similarly, a $130K+ top of the range S-Class or 7-Series will never have the panache of a Bentley. In my household, we own Lexus, Acura, and Mercedes-Benz models. For some unexplainable reason, I just feel more cheerful behind the wheel of the Mercedes :-)

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truthpursuittruthpursuit - 8/9/2008 4:56:45 PM
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So your saying you feel gay when you drive your mercedes?


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 8/6/2008 9:34:41 PM
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this article is wrong....first off Audi is doing special lease rates, and payments just one check of the website will show that.........

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VISOVISO - 8/6/2008 10:40:49 PM
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Audi has financing rates in line with other carmakers. There are no special lease rates. Just try to lease a TT right now and you are looking at a solid $700-800 lease per month at least. Stop being a BMW mouthpiece. You sound like amazingidiot.


Agent009Agent009 - 8/7/2008 9:07:26 AMView My AgentSpace
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The Audi program is very similar to last year.

Actually so is Lexus. HOWEVER the customers chose to lease rather than buy in far higher numbers in 2008.

So were they simply seeking a lower payment?




bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 8/8/2008 10:50:13 PM
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you 2 sound rediculous, and this is my issue with Audi fans on here no matter what CONCRETE proof you have they will still say you are wrong, while saying the same thing you are saying...I dont care what luxury company you are they have special leases, and Audi is no different.....you guys are just like that idiot that posts something negative on anything not BMW ignorrant and Blind to the truth........common


david999david999 - 8/6/2008 9:56:05 PM
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There is nothing wrong with Lexus. An economic downturn in their number 1 market, as well as comparing this year to last years tremendous sales figures skews things. Remember, profit warnings have been issued at Merc and BMW as well.


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HRM5HRM5 - 8/6/2008 11:50:39 PM
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What in the World Is Wrong at Autospies? Why the hell do we need another useless article aimed to rile up the fanboys to bitch at each other? This is getting annoying freakin' fast. How about instead of bitching at each other, we bitch at Autospies and "agent 009" to actually deliver us the real articles that we visit this site for?

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Agent009Agent009 - 8/7/2008 9:09:06 AMView My AgentSpace
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