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What's coming from Lexus:

LexusAdmirer submitted on 06/20/2007 Official AutoSpies Timestamp: 4:24 PM
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TheSailor - 6/20/2007 4:56:48 PMView My AgentSpace

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When will they kill the SC and bring one that doesn't look like the bugs i wash of my windshield? A facelift isn't enough! And it is getting old anyway!

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EL34 - 6/20/2007 6:19:36 PM

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TheSailor, remember the SC is the #1 choice for hair dressers from San Francisco to West Hollywood.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 6/21/2007 4:47:59 AM

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That's marketing.

Htay7500 - 6/21/2007 9:34:42 AM

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rapper Micheal "Baby" Williams of Cash money records owns a blinged out sc430.

S4cabriofoxone - 6/21/2007 1:20:47 PMView My AgentSpace

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BUCK, even with that bodykit, it can't hold a candle to the SL.

moparman64 - 6/20/2007 4:59:35 PM

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who cares what toyota makes?

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Will_ - 6/20/2007 5:02:36 PM

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The better question is who cares what Chrysler makes, "moparman?"

TheSailor - 6/20/2007 5:07:48 PMView My AgentSpace

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Well... Toyota being the largest carcompany around, I guess the answer to your question is: A whole lotta people!

silent_power - 6/20/2007 5:18:19 PM

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"who cares what toyota makes?"
Then why are you here moparman64?

EL34 - 6/20/2007 6:20:37 PM

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A gloified RAV4.

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Will_ - 6/20/2007 5:07:14 PM

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The big news here is that Lexus is going into the entry-level market head on. This means more competition in Europe, although I think I can speak for everyone in questioning whether or not they are even considering more diesel variants for these "entry-level" vehicles?

Also, Australia doesn't seem to believe that the performance variant of the IS will be called the IS-F. Someone should let them know that there will be an IS-F, as well as a reported GS-F.

Lastly, I'll go ahead and admit that the SC cannot hold out all the way to 2010 as they are reporting, but where do they get the idea that the LF-A will "replace" the SC? Those will be two separate vehicles.

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S4cabriofoxone - 6/21/2007 1:22:42 PMView My AgentSpace

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Oh, so no bashing of Lexus because they're going downmarket, as you've bashed Audi, BMW and Mercedes-Benz for that very reason? Hmm. I wonder why?

Will_ - 6/21/2007 4:53:09 PM

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You and I both know that you will bash Lexus all you want to, regardless of anything I say, or how "rational" you try to portray yourself...

TheSailor - 6/20/2007 5:09:52 PMView My AgentSpace

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What about all those F-models? When will they be released? Not a single F-model in that line-up! Maybe they were nothing but a lot of hot air from Lexus afterall...

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TheSailor - 6/20/2007 5:25:44 PMView My AgentSpace

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Well... When will they be released then?

S4cabriofoxone - 6/21/2007 1:25:37 PMView My AgentSpace

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Oh, so according to the Lexus camp, there's an excuse for the Lexus hatch now! It's being COMPETITIVE! Oh, of course! The Germans weren't being competitive at all with the 1 Series, A3 and A/B-Class! They were just trying to make cheap cars for the hell of it, right? Ha!

TheSailor - 6/20/2007 5:12:05 PMView My AgentSpace

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BTW... Did I just read "IS Hatch - 2011"?! That gotta sting! What about all those funny little comments about how Audi, BMW and Mercedes were all selling out on their names by making hatchbacks? Or that Lexus would never lower themselves to that level and they didn't need to, them being a premium brand... LOL...

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answer - 6/20/2007 5:15:30 PMView My AgentSpace

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Just because a company makes a hatchback doesn't mean it has to be a POS like the BMW 318ti or Merc C hatch.

TheSailor - 6/20/2007 5:24:23 PMView My AgentSpace

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Hey... That wasn't what I was saying... I just find it mildly ammusing that alot of people have made a whole lot of noise about how BMW and Mercedes was selling out on their key values with their A-class and 1-series (which definitely isn't a POS)... But now, suddenly, Lexus is releasing a hatchback... Doesn't that mean that Lexus is also trying to make money off their name by going down class? Or is this now suddenly something COMPLETELY different than what the germans have done?

Will_ - 6/20/2007 5:30:14 PM

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Stop trying to turn this into a "Lexus vs. German" bitchfight. The 1-Series and A-Class both posses the fewest values of their respective brands. I for one am not excited that they are looking at doing an economy car. It's called being competitive...

answer - 6/20/2007 5:30:28 PMView My AgentSpace

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If you think the 3 hatchback or the Merc hatchback were representative of a good German luxury car, than I think you are the moron.

The 318ti even featured hubcaps. I believe things like that is what people think of when saying the car hurt the brand's image.

answer - 6/20/2007 5:43:05 PMView My AgentSpace

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It starts to share more in common with a Hyundai than the S Class. That's the problem.

TheSailor - 6/20/2007 5:43:23 PMView My AgentSpace

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I don't... But I think the 1-series and the A-class is... And those are hatchbacks... The Ti and the C-class were socalled combi-coupés... At least that was what the manufacturers called them...

And Will... You of all people should just keep your mouth shut here... And I'm not trying to start a bitch fight here... I'm just mocking all the idiots who have, for as long as I can remember, complained about how the germans cared about nothing but making money and was just trying to make money off the badge and everybody buying german cars were just badge whores... and that Lexus just cared about making the best driver experience and didn't need to think about making money... Well, I guess they do... BIG SURPRISE!

Rupert - 6/20/2007 5:44:23 PMView My AgentSpace

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Ooohhh hubcaps...which you can still get on the 1 series and A class.
I think the 1 series possesses every single one of BMW's brand values; small, light, and great handling. More so than other BMWs, which have become tech-laden and heavy.
The A class does follow the Merc ethos, but the A3 stands for Audi values.
The 3er ti, while small and ugly, was a good little car.

And answer, a bit of your comment gave away your American, biased point of view. "If you think the 3 hatchback or the Merc hatchback were representative of a good German luxury car"
Luxury.
Whoever said that the 3er ti or A class were luxury cars? Not BMW or Merc, but the Americans, for whom premium MUST equal luxury, and thus have failed to grasp the concept of cars with 2 litres or less, cloth seats, hubcaps, a squidgy ride or an interior that doesn't look like a brothel (I'm looking at Lincoln in particular here).
Premium in Europe means more than more equipment, it means a better constructed, more focussed car, with traditional premium values, offering high quality cars.

TheSailor - 6/20/2007 5:45:01 PMView My AgentSpace

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No it wasn't... It was a station wagon made to compete with the three series Touring... Not a very successful attempt though... That would make the 3-series touring a hatchback aswell...

answer - 6/20/2007 5:58:22 PMView My AgentSpace

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So the American mindset of a "premium" car is wrong because it does not match the European idea?

When viewed from an American point of view, which is fair as I live in the U.S., both the 318ti and Merc hatch were seen as "lesser" than their brand counterparts.

The 318ti in America was more of a 3 series for less money, than the "entusiast's" 3.

I think the bottom line for the American market was that both cars were both rather unnecesarry.

TheSailor - 6/20/2007 6:11:20 PMView My AgentSpace

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Well... The 3-series Ti was a lesser car than any BMW, so is the 1-series... Nobody is denying that (the 1-series is more of a BMW though than the Ti which truly was a POS) but that doesn't change the fact that the IS-hatch will be a lesser car than the IS simply for being a smaller, cheaper car... Just as the 1-series or the A-class! And the initial argument was that this is exactly what many Lexus fans denied would ever happen!

Will_ - 6/20/2007 7:19:06 PM

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Lexus fans didn't "deny" that it would happen, we just expressed our viewpoint that we did not want Lexus to make a hatchback. Everyone here has a serious problem with mocking the fake Lexus fans here, but not allowing anyone else to mock the droves of retarded German fans.

The 1-Series and A-Class do not represent luxury, which Mercedes and BMW try to portray themselves as. An S-Class has no business being in the same brand as an A-Class. why do you think the luxe Euro companies refuse to send their economy cars to North America? Because they know that they will hurt their prestigious reputations.

TheSailor - 6/20/2007 7:26:41 PMView My AgentSpace

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Nope... I remember several of the drop dead serious Lexus fans claiming that Lexus would NEVER produce a hatchback! Claiming Lexus didn't need to care about profit but only about being the #1 premium brand and that only poser brands would do a low end model for people who couldn't afford a proper premium brand car! You might not have been one of them, but that doesn't change the fact that they aren't out there...

TheSailor - 6/20/2007 7:35:45 PMView My AgentSpace

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And as rupert said, the reason why they won't bring their "small" models to the US is because "premium" is viewed differently in the US... But as you can see, the US is beginning to come around with the introduction of the 1-series and the A3 is doing pretty well... Mercedes is more of a luxury brand than the other two, that is the reason why they don't bring their small cars to the US. Because for some reason, americans can't understand that the fact that the badge is the same doesn't necessarily mean the cars have anything in common... In europe, the A-class isn't a problem for S-class drivers because they know that the cars have nothing in common. The 1-series haven't hurt BMW in europe, the A3 or even the A2 haven't hurt Audi and the A and B-class haven't hurt Mercedes. Why the mentality is so different in Europe and the US I don't know, but it is... Hell... if the badge meant so much, how could Citroen sell the C6?

TheSailor - 6/21/2007 1:35:44 PMView My AgentSpace

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I find this hillarious! When the germans did it, they were selling out on their name, they were being cheapskates, they were appealing to posers and they were just stupid... Now it's all about making money and being competitive, so now it is suddenly okay? YOU KNOW THE MEANING OF THE WORD HIPOCRITE? At least the fans with half a brain can admit that it is a bad move by Lexus!

TheSailor - 6/22/2007 5:47:48 AMView My AgentSpace

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LOL... Whatever...

JRobUSC - 6/22/2007 11:47:48 AM

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answer, you're right, the "cheap" BMW's and Benz's were much closer to Hyundai's than S-classes. They were also a hell of a lot closer in price to Hyundai's than S-classes. When BMW and Mercedes want to make cars like an S-class, they do, they call them 7's and S's. When they want to make less expensive cars to tap into a market full of people who'd love to own a BMW or Mercedes but thought they could never afford it, people who might buy a Hyundai for example, they make cars like the ones you're talking about.

answer - 6/22/2007 12:20:43 PMView My AgentSpace

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Oh get real.

You know what I am talking about. Both the 318ti and the Merc hatch were not very representative of their respective brands.

As much as people love to knock Lexus, no Lexus has come with hupcaps (maybe the old ES250 if anything). That is something that Lexus did to preserve their image.

Common sense says that an $80,000 car will be a lot different than a $25,000 one. But certain things on entry level cars of luxury brands are to be expected. Hupcaps aren't one of them.

It's just an example of how much you want to water-down your brand image in persuit of a niche in the market.

Now the 1 series looks to be a different story. A more affordable BMW that perserves the "BMWness" of the brand.

It might be different in Europe where the delivery man pulls up to your place in a Mercedes van, but here in America the brand is first and foremost a luxury brand. The mere idea of a small, cheap hatchback is not a good fit for the brand image.

And if those cars were so great and so beloved, why aren't they offered in the U.S. anymore?

answer - 6/20/2007 5:16:49 PMView My AgentSpace

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What's coming to autospies.com?

More incessant bitching about Lexus apparently.

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Will_ - 6/20/2007 5:31:22 PM

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Where did he do that formula1?

answer - 6/20/2007 5:34:53 PMView My AgentSpace

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Are you that stupid, or do you think pretending to be so is amusing for the rest of us?

This article which mentions possible future Lexus models was met with a first post that knocked one of the cars. Your dumb post crapping on the enitre brand imeadiately followed that.

That's what I meant by "bitching about Lexus", because people like you love to bitch about Lexus.

TheSailor - 6/20/2007 5:53:51 PMView My AgentSpace

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Formula1, though I agree Lexus doesn't make "enthusiast cars" (nor are they trying to) I think you are a moron for those comments! The LS looks good, the IS looks very good, the GS looks pretty good, the RX look pretty good as well, the LX looks... well, like a big SUV... That means that the list have been boiled down to the SC which looks like a bug and the GX which looks plain boring... But that is two of their cars... The rest all have some pretty good designs! If you can't see that simply because they are Lexuses, you truly are an idiot! I don't like some of the fans trying to make Lexus sound like it is the only truth and the ultimate in cars, but they make very good luxury cars, and most of their cars looks good... Everybody has their fair share of misfits... BMW have the X3 (better after the facelift but it still isn't a beauty by any standards), Mercedes have the B-class, Audi has - well they don't really have any ugly cars but that is just because they are playing it VERY safe...

TheSailor - 6/20/2007 6:04:22 PMView My AgentSpace

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Thank you, and yes... I'm a tasteless moron... Aren't you glad you're not alone then?

S4cabriofoxone - 6/21/2007 1:27:43 PMView My AgentSpace

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I guess I'm tasteless, too. I'd take an IS350 over a C350.

silent_power - 6/20/2007 5:33:59 PM

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LEXUS creates so much emotional appeal to german/crysler fans... :)

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CBR2200 - 6/20/2007 5:44:54 PM

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I can't wait to drive the IS500, so long A4.

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S4cabriofoxone - 6/21/2007 1:28:24 PMView My AgentSpace

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What are you talking about?

1. There's no IS500

2. It doesn't compete with the Audi A4 (RS4?)

enthusiastx11 - 6/22/2007 11:09:06 AM

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the IS500 that was rumoured ages ago was in fact the IS-F. as stated, the IS500 is fiction.

JUGNU - 6/20/2007 5:47:14 PMView My AgentSpace

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How about ES?

ES-F?

JUGNU

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TheSailor - 6/20/2007 5:54:28 PMView My AgentSpace

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LOL... Next we'll have a low riding LX-F

enthusiastx11 - 6/22/2007 11:15:33 AM

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the average age of an ES buyer in the US is 60 YEARS OLD. they don't car about performance...they was a comfy, quiet car with a great interior. styling and performance don't mean much to them. therefore ES-F is a ridiculous notion.

silent_power - 6/20/2007 6:04:00 PM

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Apparently, German fans, should admit their deeply passion and love for Lexus. Every time a Lexus article is posted they ALWAYS come here to express their passion with so much extratension!
One thing for sure, Formula1 is watching previews of Tokachi 24 hour race! He must loved that Hybrid SUPRA at first sight. Don' t fight it guys. Its over you. :)

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trd1 - 6/20/2007 6:05:32 PM

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man why is everybody always arguing? dang, lol.stop the maddness

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STJ88 - 6/20/2007 6:25:38 PM

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#formula1

You realy don't know what you talking about, the lexus GS looks ten times better than de E-class en 5-series. And passion wait until the IS-F and LF-A are out.

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Will_ - 6/20/2007 7:22:23 PM

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The A6 is less interesting to look at than even the GS.

S4cabriofoxone - 6/21/2007 1:29:42 PMView My AgentSpace

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Not the S-Line version, and it's standard with S-Line for 2008. The A6 is certainly not my favorite Audi, but I'd say that neither the standard A6 nor the base GS look good. You'd have to get the eight-cylinder engines to look good.

mitchatlexusofmarin - 6/20/2007 6:45:56 PM

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How long do we need to tolerate the unpleasantness and immaturity of Formula -1? What possible use is he to anybody here? He has never uttered one constructive word about anybody or anything here but rather, is completely disruptive of intelligent people trying to talk about cars.

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Htay7500 - 6/20/2007 7:13:58 PM

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"Americans seem to think small cars = crap." american carmakers dont even bother try thinking themselves. lots of them sold under ford or GM is from europe (like the focus) and korea (the aveo). now the wake of gas $$$ made them go back to the drawing board which would help them meet demands for their ppl suffering from gas prices. now theyre behind (in terms of competition) in the small car segment.

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Htay7500 - 6/20/2007 7:17:26 PM

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"who cares what toyota makes?"
"The better question is who cares what Chrysler makes, "moparman?""

wills rant ftw, who cares what DCX makes? theyre already dwn in the dumps. refer to the article "Chrysler Puts Unsold '06 Vehicles In Used Lots"


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EL34 - 6/20/2007 7:25:44 PM

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What happened to the Lexus Scratchback?

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Willis - 6/21/2007 3:42:09 AM

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XeroK00L,

Lately your arrogance has been getting on my nerves. The German luxury carmakers can offer smaller cars in Europe as a means of survivial and sucking in younger customers. It's a great way of obtaining new potential customers.

And no matter what, Lexus will never have the prestige of the German luxury brands. Just look at the history of BMW and Mercedes. Enough said.

Oh, and I am not a fanboy.

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SevorbeupstryIsBack - 6/21/2007 4:55:55 AM

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Exactly Willis!

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S4cabriofoxone - 6/21/2007 1:32:10 PMView My AgentSpace

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Willis, I wish you hadn't added "prestige" in there... it makes me cringe. Otherwise, I agree. When someone buys an A2/A3, 1 Series or A/B-Class, it will most likely keep them loyal to the brand until they've worked their way up to an A8, 7er or S-Class.

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TauronB2G - 6/20/2007 11:07:52 PM

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back to the real subject here. It seems as if Lexus has a good product plan. Although I am concerned about the SC...It needs to be completely redesigned. Its really Lexus' only also ran. Its not attractive and at this point not even competitive with comparable models in size or features.
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S4cabriofoxone - 6/21/2007 1:32:55 PMView My AgentSpace

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If it had a BMW badge on the hood, you'd hate it.

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Will_ - 6/21/2007 4:56:45 PM

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Likewise, if it had an Audi badge on it, you'd worship it.

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TheSailor - 6/22/2007 8:22:44 AMView My AgentSpace

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"and the reason i said 'scramble' to put together the Z9, is because i don't think bmw can make a supercar as good as the LFA"

ROFLMAO

Yes... BMW doesn't have the slightest idea of how to make proper cars and they haven't built any performance cars... Lexus on the other hand have proven time and time again that they know how to make a car with fantastic handling... Who doesn't remember the fantastic IS-F CSL they... Wait a minute... I think I might have gotten something backwards here... OHHHH... That is because BMW is the one who have shown time and time again that they can put a sports car together and Lexus who haven't even released their first performance orientated car yet! When the M3 CSL came out, it put several mid and rear engined supercars to shame around the Nordsleife. And that wasn't even a mid engined purpose built supercar... That was a coupe with a measly 6 cylinder engine pumping out a laughable 360 hp... So... What is it that leads you to believe that BMW doesn't have the knowhow and the abilities to put a proper LF-A beating supercar together? Actually, I'd like to see the LF-A beat the CSL around the Nordsleife (that is the Nürburgring to you, ignoramus) before you start telling us just how fantastic that car really is! Ohh, what was that? It haven't proven itself yet? Ohhhh... My bad!

Are you just one of those idiotic spammers who just make fun of Lexus fans, or do you really believe all that nonsence you spew from that hole you refer to as your mouth?

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SevorbeupstryIsBack - 6/21/2007 4:47:10 AM

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Another SC facelift?? Kill the car already will you, it's rubbish!

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Czelinski - 6/21/2007 5:32:31 AM

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Reading the comments, it's funny. The Lexus fanboys (u know who u are, sadly for u) claim that the German fanboys come in Lexus articles and start making stupid comments with little reference to the article itself. However, you guys do exactly the same thing when it's an article about MB or BMW etc. So, at the end of the day, we're as bad as each other.

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montyz81 - 6/21/2007 9:13:13 AM

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Who cares what Lexus does anymore. Their cars are boring! Not one of them have any soul!

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Htay7500 - 6/21/2007 9:50:05 AM

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this rivalry between MB, etc vs. Lexus is getting dumber from both sides due to the fact that this is the internet.

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cdhzhp - 6/21/2007 1:12:16 PM

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Here is whats coming from Lexus, yawn...

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07mcs - 6/21/2007 1:48:46 PM

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SC Facelift only in 2008? They should have come up with a new model, the current is one of the ugliest cars I have ever seen in. The previous generation was so much better.

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gsh23 - 6/21/2007 2:14:33 PM

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sweet. where do i sell my soul? next SC woooooooo!!

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topneuro - 6/21/2007 2:15:55 PM

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There is no mention of the GX470.
The only capable reliable off road luxury SUV in their lineup.

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Porschinator - 6/21/2007 4:26:25 PM

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I am a fan of the New LS. The line up looks good and I would give it an edge over BMW. BMW still has an edge in driving feel and performance. Lexus is in a rampage and Toyota has the funds to compete. Especially since they do not have the overhead GM and Ford has. Toyota would not be were it is today without Gov't help, poor GM and Ford has to pay 95 Billion a year to pay for RETIRED employee benefits.

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S4cabriofoxone - 6/21/2007 11:59:01 PMView My AgentSpace

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Suddenly, the reply button works!

I agree on the LS. With big rims, it looks very hot. Understated and elegant... similar to the last-gen S-Class in execution, which is no insult. The new S and the old S are beautiful in different ways.

Htay7500 - 6/22/2007 9:47:43 AM

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yep, the LS isnt tht flashy either, doesnt have the "its me bitches!" look.

autopro - 6/21/2007 6:17:16 PMView My AgentSpace

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This is the beginning of an onslaught of new product. Lexus has been planning this for years.They were waiting for all dealers to build or upgrade their dealerships.Now that they can handle the extra service business look out. They just built a 20 million dollar dealership in New Orleans. You should see how pathetic it makes the bmw, mercedes, another dealers look.This makes a big difference when service is so good it gives them a big edge.

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autopro - 6/21/2007 6:17:36 PMView My AgentSpace

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This is the beginning of an onslaught of new product. Lexus has been planning this for years.They were waiting for all dealers to build or upgrade their dealerships.Now that they can handle the extra service business look out. They just built a 20 million dollar dealership in New Orleans. You should see how pathetic it makes the bmw, mercedes, another dealers look.This makes a big difference when service is so good it gives them a big edge.

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autopro - 6/21/2007 6:17:40 PMView My AgentSpace

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This is the beginning of an onslaught of new product. Lexus has been planning this for years.They were waiting for all dealers to build or upgrade their dealerships.Now that they can handle the extra service business look out. They just built a 20 million dollar dealership in New Orleans. You should see how pathetic it makes the bmw, mercedes, another dealers look.This makes a big difference when service is so good it gives them a big edge.

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answer - 6/22/2007 11:52:39 AMView My AgentSpace

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Lexus has great sales in the United States, has an excelent reputation for quality, and offers up as much innovation as their competitors do.

But you're right once again formula1, Lexus means nothing in the automotive world.

As soon as your mommy changes your diaper, be sure to log back in and drop some more knowledge our way.

bevisroy - 6/21/2007 10:17:02 PM

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Lexus ALWAYS understates their 0 - 60 times by at least .5 seconds. Here are the results of the 5 Top Luxury Cars in this test which was reported in the January Issue of Car and Driver. Please note these tests were all done on the same day at about the same time and at the same altitude. The results reflect the average of 3 runs and all cars are the 2007 vintage.

Mercedes S550 5.6, 0 - 60 quarter mile in 14.1 (Benz show 5.4 in their specs)
BMW 750iL 5.7, 0 - 60 quarter mile in 14.2
Jag XJ Super 6.0 0 - 60 quarter mile 14.5
Lexus LS460L 6.2 0 - 60 quarter mile 14.6
Audi A8 6.8 0 - 60 quarter mile 15.2

Note that Lexus, as usual, is more than the 5.4 the manufacturer CLAIMS to get by .8 seconds.

Also note the LS430 (prior model the LS460 replaced) was rated at 295 HP and was actually 278 when Lexus corrected their rating. And there were no refunds or apologies from the so-called "quality" car company. ABC - Always Be Careful what you buy from the (REPREHENSIBLE) Toyota/Lexus people.....


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