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Which German Luxury Giant Spends Most on Incentives?
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submitted on 07/10/2007
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Which German Luxury Giant Spends Most on Incentives?
With the latest news of Toyota spending thousands of dollars in incentives on the Tundra, and Chevy fighting back and raising incentives on the Silverado it is interesting to find out how much luxury companies spend on incentives. The Bloomberg article is about the possibility that Audi will lose money this year in the US because of a weak dollar and money spent on new dealerships. However, the article also touches on the fact that Audi has reduced its incentive spending, but its German competition has only increased incentive spending this year.
"Audi's average U.S. incentive costs per car in the first half were $2,643, an 11 percent decline from a year earlier, Woodcliff, New Jersey-based Autodata said. By comparison BMW's incentives increased 71 percent to $3,838, while Mercedes rose 29 percent to $3,082, Autodata said in a July 3 report."
Is it worth it for German luxury automakers to shell out pickup-style incentives to "manufacture" sales?
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rg12345
- 7/10/2007 5:46:04 PM
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With the crazy exchange rate I wonder even now how can they keep the prices so low. I mean a 40k euros car in europe would translate to 53-55k USD here, at this year exchange rate (avg). Buy they keep the same 40k in dollars also. I know US is a good market, but still, to loose 35% on EURO to USD conversion is not an easy point to take. I understand some makes already announced increases because of that (BMW if I am not wrong).
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chewy
- 7/10/2007 5:59:22 PM
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Yep, the exchange rate is quite hard to ignore. VW is considering to build a factory in US because of the exchange rate.
truecarlover
- 7/10/2007 6:25:20 PM
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yes that is why BMW and Mercedes build there SUV's here. Isn't the Z4 also built here?
answer
- 7/10/2007 7:05:23 PM
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South Carolina.
enthusiastx11
- 7/10/2007 9:08:51 PM
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correction: just two bmw models (X5 and Z4) and the mercedes ML are built here. the vast majority are manufactured in germany.
enthusiastx11
- 7/10/2007 9:09:46 PM
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and despite those incentives, bmw and mercedes models have average sales prices thousands and thousands higher than their competitors.
truecarlover
- 7/10/2007 9:25:21 PM
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enthusiast - aren't the X3's built here? Also - where is the GL Benz buit?
truecarlover
- 7/11/2007 7:23:20 AM
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If I'm not mistaken - the R Class is probably built here too. Also BMW confirmed they will build the X6 here as well.
IamEvilHomer
- 7/11/2007 12:58:41 PM
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here is another great article
http://blog.buyingadvice.com/2007/03/investors_unhap.html
bmw is almost 2 times MB and Audi
truecarlover
- 7/10/2007 6:27:56 PM
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Audi has stated before that they are more focused on profits than sales volume in the U.S. The lease price they quoted in the article for the A6 seems to prove that they are serious....that would explain the slowdown in it's sales.
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ATrain
- 7/10/2007 7:17:55 PM
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Agreed - I was shopping for a new winter driver. Audi quoted the S4 at list - $53,780 with options - and barely budged plus had an outrageous money factor of 8.
I ended up ordering a 535xi w/ sport package and everything else you can think of - MSRP at $61,420.
Basically, I got a car w/ an MSRP almost $8k more for similar money.
truecarlover
- 7/10/2007 9:09:18 PM
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Well ATrain - I guess you are living proof that amazingbimmer is wrong when he talks about 'people who buy Audi's can't afford BMW's'. On a side bar - talking about BMW and Mercedes for that matter - I would like to see the percentage of AWD vehicles they sell. I see a lot of Xi and 4Matic models here in NY.
IamEvilHomer
- 7/12/2007 1:49:12 AM
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you should have bought a 3,2 qusttro
yes amazingidiot is wrong again
i think he is still in jr high
when school is out then we will hear from him
chewy
- 7/10/2007 8:05:53 PM
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where are the two resident BMW superfans?
I ask them why BMW has to spend about 4,000 dollars to sell each BMW? Kinda like Toyota with the Tundra.
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truecarlover
- 7/10/2007 9:05:00 PM
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chewy - that is a good question. I think that since they build some of there cars here in the U.S. they can remain profitable even though they offer those incentives. All the makes offer them - it's just a matter of who offers more. If Audi builds at least there SUV's here - they would be able to offer a little bit higher incentives and sell more. That said - I don't think they NEED to do it.
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enthusiastx11
- 7/10/2007 9:11:09 PM
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and everyone knows that german cars still sell for thousands more than their lexus counterparts. lexus success is based largely on value.
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zorbeeze
- 7/11/2007 12:42:11 PM
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"and everyone knows that german cars still sell for thousands more than their lexus counterparts. lexus success is based largely on value."
You're completely wrong with that statement. Lexus prices have gone up. There's a very small difference between Lexus & the Germans. Though, the same can't be said for Infiniti & Acura, they're still pretty much cheaper then Lexus, BMW, Audi & mercedes
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enthusiastx11
- 7/11/2007 10:33:38 PM
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'everyone who can afford a lexus can afford a benz or bmw."
hmmm...S550 $89,000 base, LS460 $61,000 base; SL $98,000 base, SC $65,000 base; etc, etc. not to mention that lexus has much more standard equipment than either bmw or mercedes.
please do us the favor of explaining how these very large price differences mean that everyone can afford (or will spend) either a german or japanese car.
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Will_
- 7/11/2007 7:17:40 AM
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Much of BMW's appeal comes with their Free Maintenance programs. And don't forget that most only lease their vehicles. Agent009, repost the research you did showing it cheaper to own a 3-Series than a Camry. BMW owners enjoy 'value' too apparently.
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Will_
- 7/11/2007 7:18:54 AM
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...and just wait 'til the 1-Series hits our shores... High school students will be able to lease a 1-Series for probably nothing at all with their summer jobs...
truecarlover
- 7/11/2007 7:24:54 AM
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I like BMW's - but that's part of the problem - it seems like anyone can own one now. But it's a business.
Htay7500
- 7/11/2007 12:39:08 PM
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not to mention the strategy of getting an e-class benz at the price of a ex v6 accord.
david999
- 7/11/2007 8:56:55 AM
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There is nothing wrong with incentives to help sales. Audi's policy in North America is what keeps them well below the competition in terms of sales.
If people were dying to own an Audi this would make sense, but not when they are struggling for sales.
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Steve
- 7/12/2007 11:21:34 PM
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Do "incentives" really matter? In my mind, it's the "bottom line" that matters to a manufacturer. If car maker A offers $3000 incentive per vehicle and makes $6000 margin per unit, and maker B offers $1000 incentive and makes $500 per unit, who's better off?
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IamEvilHomer
- 7/13/2007 10:36:43 AM
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true but audi is making big money so what is your point?
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