Which Is The MOTHER Of Under $50k Premium Coupes?

BMW, hands down. New styling of G37 render is anonymous, with no road presence. Performance is good for both, but so it is for the Honda Accord Coupe, too. I'd actually vote the Accord 2nd to the BMW. Or actually, maybe 3rd to a 2nd place A4.

— senorgato (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 2:12:09 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Oops, I meant A5

— senorgato (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 2:12:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

BMW of course.

BMW = normal good
Infiniti = inferior good

— MrGunFun (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 2:15:59 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -12   

i don't like the g37 coupe's posterior. though, i do like the rear of the sedan.

either way, the only reason i would opt for the g37 over the 335i would be to try something new and different.

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 2:36:46 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7   

1. 335i
2. A5/G37 (tie)

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 2:41:13 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 11   

The 335i Is A Great Drive, But The G37 Appeals Much More To My Sense of Aesthetics/Ergonomics While Giving Up Very Little To The BMW As Far As Performance In Real World Driving Situations.. All For Far Less Money

— DaHarder (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 2:44:43 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

G37

— KZ258 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 2:52:05 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

I have now owned both a BMW and now the Infiniti. They are both great drivers cars, I think we can all agree on that. I wanted to buy a 335Ci coupe in the worst way but I could not get past the interior design. I'm sorry but that dashboard looks like it was pulled directly out of a 1985 Ford LTD! Also the flimsy cup holders would send any beverage flying when taking a tight twisty. Throw in a hard to use GPS / I Drive system and the fact my last BMW had to be serviced 5 times during a 2 year lease and you have my Answer. I have a G37 with 4 wheel steer, sweet 6 speed shifter and a voice recognition GPS system to die for!! Opps, almost forgot - they actually give you an IPOD interface and the cable for free! Also I can leave my key in my pocket and just push the dash button for free too! (Both of these last two options are $500.00 each from BMW) nuff said!

— craig1211 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 2:56:56 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 15   

I like the interior of the g37 but do like the 335 as well. both neat competitors.

— Htay7500 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 3:01:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7   

G37 hands down!

— F1_Driver (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 3:10:53 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

1) 335i
2) A5
3) G37

— Chip (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 3:17:08 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

The BMW 3 coupe is a sexy vehicle. The exterior styling is very appealing.

The G37 is very masculine vehicle. It makes a bold statement.

I dont like the interior in the BMW but I would probably lean towards it, especially in a convertible. But overall I would probably put them at 50/50

The a5 is nice as well.

— 0to60 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 3:26:17 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 11   

I know everyone is tired of talking about high gas prices but this fact fits in with this comparo - The $7000.00 you will save buying a loaded G37 over a loaded 335 coupe will pay for a whole lotta gas!!

— craig1211 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 3:37:43 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Why did BMW copy the styling of the Datsun :(

BMW should've copied the 240Z!

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 4:16:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -8   

The Infiniti G37 hand down from both look and pricing alone.

— Lexus (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 4:17:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

I'll give you the MPG, I priced both the BMW and G37 for insurance with 3 places beofre I bought two were about the same one was lower for the 37. As for maintance, these cars are pretty much maintance free except for oil changes and wiper blades. In my case over a two year lease thats maybe 200.00 - Free maintance is almost required on the bimmer as it does not even have a dip stick. Also BMW only gives you one oil change a year (How would you like to buy one of those cars just off say a 3 year lease with just 3 oil changes over 45,000 miles - yikes!)

— craig1211 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 4:23:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 8   

335i , is a better performer and it is the mother of coupes under that price range, why? because with 30 less horsepower than the infiniti it still kicked the infiniti's ass on the track. Its a looking coupe too. I just wish that the Audi A5 or S5 had more power for their price. I also dont understand why audi isnt in this comparison. I love bimmers but I also respect audi, because of their exterior design and interior design and quality. As for people talking about reliability, I just have to laugh because if you have to price to buy it, you can probably pay for its maintenance.

— M3owns (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 4:38:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -6   

Mostly subjective her but I'll take a stab:

Price: Infiniti hands down here.

Straight Line Performance: the N54 is flat out amazing and even though the G37 has better topend power, i'm a low end torque type of guy. BMW FTW

Handling: A wash unless you believe in the "magic feel" of the BMW.

Looks: I prefer the look of the Infiniti. The BMW is not ugly, but the exterior of the Infiniti looks more "Premium" to me.

Fuel ecomony: The BMW has better economy but we are not talking 4cyl hybrids here. I would not buy a sports coupe for economy, so to me that's a wash.

For my money, I would pick the G37

Stone....

— stone (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 4:41:05 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 13   

This is almost too easy!

BMW for all practical purposes invented the (relatively) affordable sports sedan. The 335i,the latest iteration, is still the King of the small sports sedan hill. (Er, excuse me, I meant Queen - this is Mother's Day after all!)

The Infiniti G37, while a very able contender, is still not the equal of the BMW 335i. It is cheaper, however.

— Audiphile (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 5:05:56 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

The G37 there is no better.

— STJ88 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 5:24:15 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

the 335i is the best, it has the quality, refinement, performance, and styling....the G37 doesnt have the refinement of the other cars in its class which really refinement really is important in a LUXURY performance class car, the interior quality, or distinctive styling(not that it doesnt look good, it just looks like an altima coupe), it is cheaper but its interior and lack of refinement show where they cut cost.......

— bmwdrvr (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 6:33:42 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -7   

Both are great cars, I'd have no problem owning either.

That said, I lean more towards performance and would probably go with the 335i.

I can certainly understand those who prefer the G37 though, it's an heck of a car for sure.

— cyco (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 6:34:31 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

Very tough call. On the one hand you have the Nissan, reliable and doubtless the better value. On the other hand you have the BMW, incredible driving dynamics and teutonic pedigree.

If I had to choose it would be the Nissan simply b/c there are too many BMWs where I live.

— Batman219 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 6:36:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Actually none of the above. Although a never tend to like any of this cars, this generation actually cought my eyes, I'm talking about the Accord coupe. I never, and really never, liked any of the previous Accords, but the new coupe looks great, far better that both of the contenders up there. As far as performance goes, 0-60 figures are meaningless, mpg... thats another story, Accord 4 me. Interior, I'm sorry I know this is in the eye of the beholder and I dont care if I piss some people off, its my oppinion, never liked Bimmer's interiors and the Infinity's are somewhat... OK. Like I said Accord 4 me, just my thoughts.

— Chronoseus (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 6:54:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -8   

BMW

— Spoonie_G (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 7:03:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I made this decision and went with the G37. BMW interior is just too boring, plus the Infiniti was biggest bang for my buck. I'm in love with the sound of the exhast, and it's a great driving experience.
I personally think the car is sexy. Some may say there is no street presence, but there is tons of parking lot presence. For the first month I drove the car to work, people from all levels of management (entry level to directors) would come by my office to ask about the car. I did not expect such a response since there are much faster and more expensive cars in the company. At times I'd walk out to my car to find a group of guys standing around my car. It was weird, but let me know I made the right decision.

— lady (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 7:20:35 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I love these comparo's - Some of you mention that the G37 has a cheap interior. Have you actually been in one? Driven one? The seats are to die for and nice driver oriented touches like the instrument binnicle moving with the power tilt / telescoping steering wheel. BMW's is a lever way under the dash someplace. Also the manual BMW I drove had a shifter that while nice - was not as buttery as the G37. I loved the older BMW's my E46 had the dash that tilted towards the driver - that was cool - now its an ugly straight dash plain cheap looking and rather ugly. My wife thought the BMW coupe exterior looked "girlish" - once she said that I was done with that choice! By the way she is now driving a 2008 328 coupe with no extras because she could not work the I Drive. I also love the music box hard drive in my G37 again not avialable on the BMW. Actually if Caddy does it all right on thier mew CTS coupe I might be there in 2 years - we shall see!

— craig1211 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 8:05:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

amazinbimmer, lighten up! They are both exceptional cars as I mentioned earlier I have owned both and I bought a 328 sedan for my wife last year. I'm sure you love your bimmer as much as I like my current G37. But please not a close second??? I thought they were very close. There were subtle driving refinments in the 335 to be sure. In the end features, value and the ugly bimmer interior changed my mind. I have heard rumors BMW is soon going to address the cheap looking interior issue.

— craig1211 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 9:22:04 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

I would not choose the fancy Nissan. BMW 335i all the way. The G37 is a nice looking car, but the BMW is it!

— 1BadMan (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 9:40:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Bigotted a$$hole. Americans build BMW's.

— 09CTSVforMe (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 10:15:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

Americans only build the Z4, X3 and X5.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 8:50:21 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

The G37 takes this category, it is a amazing machine.

— PerformanceGuy (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 10:10:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

amazin, I have a 328i in the garage. My wife drives it and I was shocked when I took it to the store the other day. Sorry for me the G37 is it. Power Tracks like on rails, interior kills the bimmer, many more features and amenties that BMW does not even offer. seats better shifter better - in fact amazin, I have a freaking BMW Visa card with 50,000 points on it I cant even use (I was planning to use on a down payment) lol Thats ok thought you got yours and I got mine and were both happy - life is good!!

— craig1211 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 10:35:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

335i.

extraordinary engine, phenomenal handling with a great ride, great looking.

i have one. love it.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 11:26:00 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

I like things about both of them. I like how the BMW has everything you could look for in a sport sedan. I also like the looks of it. It's a great car. But for the G37, I really like how Infiniti emphasizes their Japanese heritage instead of disguise it and make it seem like they're European. Take Lexus for example. They're good cars, but it seems like they're ashamed to say they're Japanese so they make their cars with European ideas. Infiniti builds a true Japanese car.

— lexusis350 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 11:36:59 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

335. The rear of the G37 looks awkward, to me. It gives me the impression that it's not 'finished' design-wise. The 335 is a much more elegant shape. Not that the G37's a bad car to drive at all... but I still think it's 'not quite there yet'.

— altdude (View Profile)

Posted on 5/11/2008 11:37:22 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

The Stars of the Detroit Auto show this year was the VW Passat and Audi A5/S5.
Audi A5 was around $50K. Seems like a lot of car for the money.
I like BMW, but you have to spend a lot to get a lot.

The falling American Dollar will push likely Import car prices higher though. With people losing homes, and upside down in their current car loans, most will probably have to wait for the economy to get better.

— mercuryguy (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 12:07:23 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

Spent three years in Germany so of course I am biased. One thing I really like about German cars is that they are designed to be driven on the Autobahn day in and day out at very high speeds. That includes braking suddenly from very high speeds, quick reflexes when someone wanders etc... Not that we drive a lot at those types of speeds and require that type of braking and handling but it is nice to know it is there. Also some of my friends brought either their American cars or Japanese brand cars... within a year they had all sold them except one (70 Vette ... so could not blame him) but he even bought a second car and it was German. I still love competition and to each his own... make mine the 335tii.

— valhallakey (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 12:36:40 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

For the record BMW scheduled maintenance is Once a year or 15K Miles - but it can change based on your driving style.

— DJsE60 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 12:53:01 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

There's pretty much a consensus industry wide.


If money is no object, BMW 335 - otherwise G37.

— changomo (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 12:54:49 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

A5 tied with the E92 335i

— MookGmbH (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 1:00:18 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

G37 for a drivers car. i mean really, infiniti built this thing for driving. sharper handling, short throw shifter, adjustable thigh and side bolsters. muscular styling, big 19" wheels, and a throaty exhaust for the looks and sounds. the touch screen hard drive nav and the best ipod integration i have ever seen. i dont even need to mention price.

— gsh23 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 2:34:04 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

BMW is way to common and looks ordinary.

— ubercool (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 6:04:45 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

We get the Infiniti G37 with 350BHP and it's as quick as 335i(tested this month, AutoCar Middle East May Issue), so definately G37S. To me it looks better both inside and out then the 335i and it starts at USD 48K compare to 335i's USD 68K. So that's exactly 20K difference and that's a lot.

btw 335i comes a close second, equally great car but it's not 20K better than Infiniti not even 5K.

JUGNU

— JUGNU (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 6:08:58 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

For this type of money, I'd rather have a certified pre-owned E46 M3.
The Infiniti exhaust note is incredible, but I like how the twin-turbo sounds as well.

— gooch (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 8:33:27 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

After recently seeing 'Hitman' I'm kinda hooked on the A5, but you can't go wrong with any of the 3.

1 negative point of each of one:

335: I don't like the interior design
A5: You have to spend big bucks to get power
G37: No AWD option!

— M35MT (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 8:46:42 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Im in this delema right now. I have an 06 g35 coupe and the lease is up in about 6 months. Looking at g37 best value if you include all the options bmw doesnt even offer. looking at the 335xi awd but not 6k better then the g37 and finally looking at the s5 but no lease program so would have to pay 850 a month plus giving a 30k deposit to own the damn thing. so that gives me these choices get either bmw 335i convert or g37 but if its just coupes i guess you have to go with g37

— markanthony0419 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 10:05:31 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

To tell you the truth I haven't driven G37, but I'll take BMW any day. While I had my BMW, every time I get in and start the car and push it's engine on highway, there is no other word come to my mind other then perfect. And I don't know about any of you but every time I get in a Lexus/Acura/Infiniti, I just can't go over the fact that it is just a rebadged Toyota/Honda/Nissan.

— 2001W210 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 11:14:39 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Everytime I see I british car I say, "ugh, look at that rolling electrical fire hazard"

— M35MT (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 12:12:49 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

the correct word maybe is, um... "delusional", time to take off those BMW coke bottle glasses. :)

— sector (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 12:51:43 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

being from the UK you should understand being irrelevant.

— OneOfOne (View Profile)

Posted on 5/18/2008 1:50:15 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I have driven both on the track, actually i drove the g37-s, hands down the BMW wins. Everyone at the track was always getting much better times. I tracked it at the autobahn country club in joliet, il. in case you were wondering where. I honestly do not know why anyone who likes driving would get the infiniti? if you just drive around town at 15mph, who cares, but if you are a 'driver', its a no brainer.

— 2ndbimmer (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 10:33:29 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -7   

Boring, dull and sparse cookie cutter interior of the BMW may have a side benefit though, it'll subconsciously help you keep your eyes on the road - as it's not too exciting to look at :)

— sector (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 10:34:53 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Just another quick thought. If you option the 335i out with navi and all the other bells and whistles its over 51k. starting prices are bs and thats without the premium package. You can get every single option on the g and not come close to 50k

— markanthony0419 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 10:42:12 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 8   

Spending my own cash~~

1) 335i - The total package. Great HP & Torque (2008 engine of the year)! The most expensive of the bunch.

2) A5 - Simply gorgeous inside & out. The base price is similar to 335i but has less HP or torque.

3) G37 - Exterior is boring. G35 looks much better. Great HP. But needs more torque to match the 335i. Base price is less than the other two which makes it a good buy.

— BM3W (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 1:00:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

Have driven both cars and they both drive awesomely. In the end the G37 is more fun and more of a drivers car. Honestly, even if they were the same price or the G37 was more, I would still get the G37, it just slams it home in all the right areas!

— PerformanceGuy (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 1:11:12 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

bmw driver you way off. i have done the comparison as i am about to get a new car. bmw 335 xi with navi is just under 52000 thats with ipod adaption navigation sports pagage heated seats leather lol yes its an option cant believe that. the s5 is 58500 with the navi and you have to get prim package if you get navi. you cant touch the int of the audi but its not worth 8k more. check your prices unless you are adding a wheel pakage to get you to 19s.

— markanthony0419 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 1:35:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

oh and the a5 is 52000 and the performance isnt even close. you cant lease either of the audis they are not available for lease.

— markanthony0419 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 1:37:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

The only Japanese car I like is the FX50 because you can get in in Rear-wheel drive. Although the V8 only comes with gas guzzling AWD. They should let you opt for just the rear drive on the V8.

I like the use of interior wood. I see they have 21” wheels, which is only 1” taller than the Lincoln MKX. The FX50 is a lot more money than the Lincoln though.

But cars are a losing investment, I’m not sure it is worth paying such a premium for a crossover, especially if you drive it for work at only 25 cents per mile reimbursement. Lincon MKX is only high $30s to low $40s to purchase. At that price I could own insted of lease.

— mercuryguy (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 3:12:15 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Audi A5 and S5 are very compelling models. They looked great at the Detroit show this year. They seem like they give you a lot of car for the money, rare for German brands. The S5 has the bold gauges pointing South for Zero, awesome. The 2-door makes it cumbersome for business though. I think Audi might be inching above BMW these days. The level of Luxury is outstanding. The A5 could use some of the wood from the A8L though.

— mercuryguy (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 3:19:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

The best and most relevant 2 dr coupe will be the upcoming Lexus IS250 coupe. Good acceleration (no kidding, I have one), terrific gas mileage (24 city, 33 highway) and really good handling with the 18" wheel option. Also, at least $9 thousand less than the BMW 328i.

— BMW995 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 3:49:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

what are you talking about? The IS250 coupe and G37 suffer from the same thing. They are both small in interior space. They are both about the same size as the 1-series, which is more of a direct comparison than the 3-series. Just look at the interior dimensions alone, and you will see that the G37 and new IS250 coupe are much smaller ....better yet here is the dimensions.


Cars 335 G37 135
Length 180.3 183.1 171.7
Width 70.2 71.8 68.8
Height 54.2 54.9 55.4
Wheelbase 108.7 112.2 104.7
Legroom ( F ) 41.8 43.8 41.4
( R ) 33.7 29.8 32.0
Headroom( F ) 37.1 37.7 37.9
( R ) 36.1 34.5 37.1
Shoulder( F ) 55.3 53.7 56.0
Cargo 11.2 7.4 10.1

Performance Category Best published that I could find
throu: Car & Driver, Motortrend , Road & Track

335 coupe G37 135
0 to 60 4.8 R&T 5.3 C&D 4.7 C&D
1/4 mile 13.4 R&T 13.9 C&D 13.3 C&D
60-0 braking 110 MT 110 MT 102 MT
Road hold .87g C&D .89g C&D .94g MT
Slalom 66.4 C&D 67.1 MT 72.3 MT

As you can see, the G37 competes more in line with the 135 in regards to size, price & performance. The 335 coupe is a much larger car. end of story

— BMW4me4ever (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 4:45:37 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

give me an 1st gen G35 overall

— Denali (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 6:18:21 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

I don't know. All these cars are just too small to use the car for business.

BMW 1 Series? This might be a good choice for a single college student carrying a few books to school.

— mercuryguy (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 6:31:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

G37..but i like the G35 better.

the 335i coupe looks odd to me..dont like it except for the tt i6

— stash84 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 9:21:23 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

you see the picture above of the G37 and BMW Coupe, and the G37 clearly looks sexier, now on the road it's the complete opposite, the BMW Coupe looks much sexier to me than the G37 in real life IMHO

— DiamondJim (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 9:22:03 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

...another loaded question that fails to give listers pregnant pause for thought.

Being a "mother" would imply being of the previous generation, no?

— moto (View Profile)

Posted on 5/12/2008 10:18:35 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

man im getting sick of this...Ok we get it you all have hard ons for the 335i and 135i!!! Do we really need 50 threads about it? Damn....ridiculous.

— xlr8 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/14/2008 11:42:36 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Hands down, the winner is the G37.

— PerformanceGuy (View Profile)

Posted on 5/14/2008 1:27:20 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I am not aware of the prices in the USA but if the BMW was less than $5k more, I'd get the BMW as you can't argue it's more prestigious and is about the same or better in other departments.

Otherwise, the G37 definitely looks like a great offering, I'd love to drive both. I've driven an E46 3.30ci but that's as close as I got.

— TimmyG (View Profile)

Posted on 5/15/2008 6:44:06 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

anyone worried about 'prestige' is likely lacking in other areas too.

— OneOfOne (View Profile)

Posted on 5/18/2008 2:01:14 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1