Which Lexus is so popular that there is a one year backorder?

I hear it's more popular than the Audi R8.

— EL34 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 1:08:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Very well stated and accurate Mazman.

— mitchatlexusofmarin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 5:46:02 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

Lexus has only been on sale as Lexus for a couple of years in Europe, so your argument is flawed logically.

— mitchatlexusofmarin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 5:48:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Your putting one of the best ultra sports cars in the world in the same category with the Lexus LS600L. I'm not going on no waiting list for a car that is being built by a car company thats been in business 17 years. Yes. Lexus does outsell Audi in North America ONLY! Audi produces 1.3 million cars worlwide compare to Lexus 400k. The reason is simple. Toyota decided to market its high end car in the US. The Americans enjoyed Toyotas reputation for quality and dependability. Now, they are trying to market the car in the rest of the world and they are failing. Because everyone in the rest of the world see it as an expensive Toyota. Thats per Lexus, not there competition. Lexus builds a great car. But they have to earn a reputation for refinement and prestige before they can really make an impact in true drivers garages around the world.

— 1uberaudi (View Profile)

Posted on 3/12/2007 12:24:54 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Such rediculous statements. Audi never killed anyone. Only the person driving the Audi. Here's another statement. Recalls on Lexus every other week. How the hell do they make the top 10 most reliable? Toyota is going to be number one. But it will not be because of Lexus.

— 1uberaudi (View Profile)

Posted on 3/12/2007 12:30:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

actual deposits is impressive.
but i'd say that marin is probably not the average market. hybrid-happy market. no?

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/13/2007 12:31:23 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

hey mitch.
you're usually right on, but in this case you're mistaken.
lexus launched in the UK at the same time as in the US. on july 5, 1990 according to lexus.co.uk.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/13/2007 12:56:17 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

But under the name Toyota- no?

— mitchatlexusofmarin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2007 3:59:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

450hp, AWD, 25+mpg combined, >6.0L v12 performance, v6 fuel economy and low emission, super quiet, ultra luxury, most technique advanced, who wouldn't like it?

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 1:23:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

You are a fool,LS600hL comes standard with AWD so get your facts straight!!

— 2JZSoarer (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 12:41:04 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

From Lexus Press release.

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 3:30:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Do you know what the word "over" means? Which v8 has combined 25+mpg for such a big car?


From Lexus PR:

This state-of-the-art powertrain technology will equip the LS 600h with an
unequalled balance of performance and environmental efficiency. A peak
combined output rating of OVER 327 kW/445DiN hp (*) offers the power
and performance of a normally aspirated V 2 engine. Conversely, the hybrid
Lexus flagship offers a class-leading combined fuel consumption figure of
less than 9.5l/ 100km(*) and CO2 emissions below 220g/km(*).
(*) Pre-homologation data, based on in-house testing

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 4:48:55 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Ha... equally fast, in your dream. Which of these can run 0-60 under 5.0s? Which one can be sold in CA right now?

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 5:07:13 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

torque = off the line acceleration.
interesting that lexus only released a hp rating and not torque.
i'll believe it matches an S600 or A8 W12 when i see it.
until then, baseless claims.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 8:11:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

i'm sorry but did i miss the 25 MPG claim you speak of?

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 8:12:15 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

The 600HL is not about fuel economy. It is about extreme power with decent fuel economy and low emissions, which sells from a moral perspective.

— mitchatlexusofmarin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 5:50:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

because of the batteries most people are predicting 4-5 more cubic feet than the GS450h, putting it around 12 cubic feet of trunk space. That's about what a Honda Civic or BMW 3-series offer and about 33% less than the other cars in the class. And considering this will be probably be a "trip car" or something people routinely get picked up from the airport in, the trunk space will likely be more important an issue than the gas savings.

— JRobUSC (View Profile)

Posted on 3/12/2007 9:06:29 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

again, what's the MPG rating?
can't recall the proper mulitplier to put km/l into MPG.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/13/2007 12:41:26 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

It is most definitely AWD.

— mitchatlexusofmarin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/17/2007 4:01:38 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I would still take an S8 or S600.

— no1listensanyway (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 1:29:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

all of these cars are environmentally reckless. try do say otherwise is dishonets. but hey...we all have are bad habits. for most of us it's cars that are fun to drive but, unfortunately, don't get prius mileage.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 9:37:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Maybe not for you, but the envirnment crap is what people care about.

— mitchatlexusofmarin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 5:51:45 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

yeah, because that's why people buy $100k luxury barges -- to pollute a smidgen less and save pennies on gas. Undoubtedly those are the major determining factors, it has nothing to do with image or prestige or the "I can afford whatever I want so I'm going to pick the one I want" mentality that rich people usually have. You're right, it's emmissions and pennies on gas. Issue resolved indeed.

— JRobUSC (View Profile)

Posted on 3/12/2007 8:53:59 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

quizz ... I cant believe you bring the hollywood celebrities into the conversation. Like anyone wants to associate with the psycho path Tom Cruise or mental masturbation of Hilton and her cronies. Who cares what hollywood says? For all we know they probably are influencing this ridiculous article. While we are on it, how long is the wait time for the Ferrari 599? 2= years or something like that. Now that is a car to wait for

— BMW4me4ever (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 2:36:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

Just to tell that we were at Geneva autoshow last wednesday for press and actualy the New LS600H for europe has 444hp and not 430. We know actualy that the base price will start around 170'000 swiss francs and already 29 orders are registered even before knowing thae exact prices. This from Automobil revue source from Switzerland.

— AUDBMLEXMRC (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 4:45:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -8   

Yeah, it really comes down to this:
If you want to be environmentally/socially responsible, you wouldn't be spending 90k on a car. You would be spending that money on stopping rainforests from being cut down, stopping aids from spreading further or curing poverty throughout the world. It’s ridiculous to say that you care a whole bunch about the environment and then go spend 90k on a car. Oh and here is an article depicting how much Toyota/Lexus really cares about the environment.
http://www.mailonsunday.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/news.html?in_article_id=417227&in_page_id=1770

— henbmw (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 5:15:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

Will...

"It's sad that Audiboy is so upset that Lexus outsells Audi literally 10 to 1 in North America that he has to resort to calling Americans stupid to feel better about the situation..."

Really? That's a BIT of an exaggeration. Audi outsells Lexus 2 or even 3 to 1 worldwide, and they barely make a 10:1 ratio in world:NA market. I had no idea Leuxs now sells 1,000,000 cars worldwide while they only sell 50K in Europe, but I guess whatever you say is right, right?

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 5:20:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Again some comments about audi being a vw. That is really primitive. Porsche also uses vw parts and lets not forget that audi uses lambo engines. And BTW this lexus looks good.

— AUTO_UNION (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 5:58:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

man this car is like the whole pakage and its a lexus.

— trd1 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 6:22:33 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Hey Henbmw,
Stay out of my backyard. Sudbury has been in N.America way longer than Toyota has. This is just an article to smear hybrids. I'm sure Inco exists to serve more than just Toyota.

Inco polluted before hybrids, and they'll continue to pollute after hybrids. This smelting facility (along with the entire mining industry) in Sudbury employs so many ppl and pours disgusting amounts of money into the regional economy the the gov't has loosened restrictions on its emissions (meaning they let some things slide).

Do you recall Europe backtracked and loosened it's updated emissions standards so the Germans could still sell diesels there?

What's more harmful than the 200,000K hybrid batteries? The battery acid from roughly 20 million batteries produced for each car each year.

Keep on tryin'

BMW is going to have to start offering $50,000 incentives to sell the 7 now.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 6:52:56 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

Wow, Lexus is doing pretty good globally. Audi is slanted towards Europe, Lexus is towards N.America. However, most high-volume Lexus cars cost significantly more than Audis. (i.e. $35K A4 vs $42K ES, both have no options yet).

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 7:34:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Lexus has been sold in Europe for less than 2 years...

— mitchatlexusofmarin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/12/2007 1:43:41 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

It's not about what you save at the pump!!!!!!!

Is it so unheard of for someone to want a luxury car that leaves a smaller footprint? This is the future people. Benz, Bimmer, Porsche and now perhaps even Bentley know this. You can be environmentally responsible while still plunking down 100 grand. And in the LS600h, you'll look damn good doing it, and be having a lot of fun as well. And if you cant fit one extra suitcase because of the battery, you can likely afford to have it overnighted. That's a small price to pay. (Those savings at the pump should cover it)

— 1970toyotamarc (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 7:41:20 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The LS600hL is nice. I wouldn't have one, myself, because the three German twelve-cylinder competitors would tempt me away from it. Formidable car, nonetheless. Whoever owns one will be happy.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 8:49:34 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

all this talk over a car with so little to go on....no performance stats have been released, no official MPG (irrelevant for this category of car anyway), no pricing, etc.

let's just see this thing before we decide it's the end all be all....i'm not holding my breath.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 9:18:46 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Foxy,
The A4 starts at $35K in Canada. Just because euro-wannabe liberals live here doesn't mean we're still not a part of N.America.

Lexus sells more in the rest of the world (meaning Europe and Japan) than Audi sells in N.America. Not bad for a 15yo company that charges more $ vs. something w/ 60+ years of history.

BMW/Audi/MB wouldn't be in business if not for N.America. You probably hate to admit it, but it's true. I doubt Audi makes any money from China. Sales do not necessarily equal profits.

True though, Europe does get the ultra cheap models of the "luxury" cars that are hidden from North America for fear of the truth.

Toyota cars are on par with Audi price wise, but are more likely better built.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 10:57:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

enthusiast,
This car performs just as good as a V12 but is much cleaner. Whethey they care or not, it's still better for the environment.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/9/2007 10:58:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Wow I'm happy for Lexus and give the marketing team for the company some credit in capturing the attention of all the USDM as it is where it excels the most in the world markets.

I'm not going to continue this flame war because i'm a German fan more than a Japanese fan but that's quite impressive. Now it doesn't mean the car's a better because people tested them and wrote up a review. The main answer comes after those cars have been shipped out to the owners.

I'll always pick the A8, 7, and S-class but for the value you get for the money it IS more affordable.

-Agent63

— Agent63 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 12:40:29 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 7   

The reason Audi sells so well worldwide is because they probably use them as Taxies!!

— 2JZSoarer (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 12:53:21 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Unreal.........this is absolute madness.... of success. Congrulation Lexus for making a Master piece again. This Lexus LS600 hl is comparable to the Maybach, RR and Bentley in luxury.

— Lexus (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 1:03:29 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

That is not necessarily true.

— mitchatlexusofmarin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/12/2007 1:47:15 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

there is good reason for this car to be sold out before it even hits the dealerships:

aside from space and comfort, a big reason for buying a limo is TO IMPRESS others.

NO OTHER LIMO can make an impression like this lexus, arriving or departing.

NO OTHER LIMO is capable of pulling up, and departing, in SILENT electric drive.

NO OTHER LIMO is as unique, in the combination of SILENCE and POWER.

i predict, like the Prius a few years back, this car will continue to BE BACKLOGGED ON ORDERS for at least a year or two.

— XYZZ (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 5:51:06 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

Enthusiast,
Becuase we know the GS-hV6 performs just as well as a V8, even better.

Same principle on a larger scale.

You're just miffed that yet another German segment is about to fall because they think name is all that's needed.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 10:56:05 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

You've driven one? I doubt it.

— mitchatlexusofmarin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/12/2007 1:49:52 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Fabian,
No they don't. German's engineer sound into their engines because their customers like attention.

You've obviously never stood beside an RX taking off from a stop, no gas engine is as quiet as that.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 10:58:10 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

sorry, no cigar.
the LS (old and new) are very nice cars.
but there's a reason the average buyer is over 60....they're benign.

the S550, on the other hand does pretty much everything pretty damn well....standout looks, speed, size, handling, second-to-none ride (even boring consumer reports thinks so). a little too big for me....but still a beautiful car.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/13/2007 1:03:06 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

In your own world....

— M53R (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 12:29:19 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -4   

what are you smoking?
quit with the grand statments.
use some facts to back up your clams.

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 8:18:31 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 1:29:42 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -7   

Lexusmaniac:
Were you that lexus_dude?

— AUTO_UNION (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 3:03:44 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

ya the 600H is amazing ... it has the power of a 760/amg/alpina/ but is super lux! and great price overall...hah its prob faster than the is-f too

— AMGC55 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 3:25:53 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Adaptive Cruise Control has been updated with Full-Speed Following Function

Complementary to the Advanced PCS system, the LS 600h also features
a new Adaptive Cruise Control with Full-Speed Following Function. As
with standard ACC, the system offers two modes -constant speed control,
and vehicle-to-vehicle distance control- but is now capable of operating at
any vehicle speed between 0 and approximately x0 km/h.
The vehicle-to-vehicle distance control system employs both the millimetrewave
radar sensor and stereo imaging camera of the Advanced Obstacle
Detection System. Thanks to the system’s full-speed range following
function, aclose proximity distance measuring ability, the new Low Speed
mode enables ACC to operate in slow or congested traffic for the first
time, and, with limited braking and acceleration performance, the system
can both bring the Lexus flagship to a complete standstill, and accelerate
away once the road ahead is clear.

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 3:47:26 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

The Active Stabiliser system features an actuator centrally located on both front and rear stabiliser bar.

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 3:56:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Permanent All-wheel drive

The LS 600h’s all-wheel drive features a three differential configuration
and a propeller shaft, coupled directly to the hybrid transmission. A
permanently engaged mechanical transfer system distributes drive power
with a ratio of 40% to the front wheels and 60% to the rear. A TORSEN®
Limited Slip Differential (LSD) was adopted for its highly responsive
torque distribution qualities, enhancing grip, traction, stability and vehicle
handling under all road conditions, whilst delivering the rear wheel drive
characteristics essential to a dynamic, premium segment sedan.
in order to accommodate the gear transfer without sacrificing interior
legroom, Lexus engineers rejected even the smallest and lightest
TORSEN® LSD system currently available, developing a new unit some
0% smaller and lighter than any in existence, with both transfer and
differential housed in a single casing.

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 4:04:46 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

what's your point?

— enthusiastx11 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/13/2007 1:05:55 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Blue enthusiast,
You two must be wannabes. German cars always brag about the throaty exchaust and rumble from their engines. You can dampen the noise easily, but they don't.

You two spend way too much time standing beside other people's luxury cars.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 4:53:47 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

That's because I'm right!
So few people realise that...

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 5:16:37 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

yeah, English.
You?

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 3/10/2007 7:34:50 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

Why?

If he were American, would you retract the statement about he being intelligent?

I've said it before...

We may have similar views on automobiles, but your views on people in general are pompous and off-putting. I don't remember any sane adults acting the way you do.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 1:36:37 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -6   

When I went to Italy over the summer last year, it was surely beautiful, but the people weren't as... welcoming... as I'd hoped.

I also went to Switzerland in the same two-and-a-half weeks. It wasn't as nice physically, but in my experience, they were quite hospitable.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 8:27:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -3   

How many of you drive luxury cars? At $80k would you put one in your garage? Lets see I don't care about gas mileage so I want my 510 hp all the time not when the moons align and the batteries are all charged. One S600 coming right up!

— germeezy2 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 1:43:26 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -5   

Yes an A8 is a luxury car, would you trade it in on the LS460?

— germeezy2 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 2:33:22 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

So for all of you Lexus tail pipe suckers. Put your money where your mouth is. I don't expect to hear about how the LS460 changed the world until you own one. I however will continue to have my own opinion.

— germeezy2 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 3:30:23 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -7   

Sevor,
BMW's will be glorified Toyota's too when Toyota buys them. :)

Germsleezy,
B = bitches
M = mamma's boys
W = wannabes
ja?
btw, Lexus did change the world. They proved German cars are nothing more than run of the mill cars from Europe. They also prove that N.Americans prefer results to just image.

...
Hell, the Europeans can't even protect their own oil, they need America to do it for them.

Rupert isn't Eurpean, he's British. The English are too smart to be considered mere Europeans.

pfft, Europeans.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 3:08:52 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

So are we talking about Elisha Cuthbert here or are we talking about a car?

— germeezy2 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 5:01:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -6   

I'm the True Lexus here with the username "Lexus" the one and only. I have been with website for a very long time. I join this website when they use to have the old website.

— Lexus (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 8:50:01 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

It may sound idiotic, but it's only because the truth is hard to accept. My facts are always correct, my memory isn't always quite as good.

Churchill was considered crazy when he warned about facism. Reagan (and Thatcher) was considered out-to-lunch when he/she decided to challenge Communism head on.

Accepting the status-quo (i.e. giving BMW wins by default may be the easy thing to do) but doing the right thing is never easy.

When Europe (minus the UK) accepts they don't really matter anymore, then maybe they'll better themselves, and their cars.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 9:50:14 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

unlike most, i own a flagship luxury car!

the only thing that piss me off when i go to europe is, why is my !@#$ing taxi a S550, i also saw 8 CLS AMG as police cars,

like it or not the LS600h will compete against its v12 friends.....FACT

— Denali (View Profile)

Posted on 3/11/2007 11:20:26 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -2   

Lexus will silently devour the competition- watch.

— mitchatlexusofmarin (View Profile)

Posted on 3/12/2007 1:56:01 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Another post party!

I think 200+ posts shows that Lexus is on to something.

It won't be putting Maybach out of business, and it won't erode sales of the German V12s, but it will be great in its own right.

— answer (View Profile)

Posted on 3/12/2007 10:52:55 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Wow S4 why do u even bother posting? I've never seen so many negative boost before!

— louisvuittondon (View Profile)

Posted on 3/12/2007 11:40:05 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

I am going to have to cancel my membership to this site. Its overrun by kids who think there Moms 1990 LS400 is cool so they have to stick up to people who can actually afford a luxury car.

— germeezy2 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/12/2007 1:45:49 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

regaurdless of preferences, let's commend lexus for bringing a hybrid into the american luxury market.

i don't expect it to be as efficient as some here do, but it offers something a little different from the competitors, and i can't really hate them for taking a more environmental approach.

i personally would spring for diesel over hybrid if i was in the market. but no harm offering a hybrid!!!

— 1995e34 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/12/2007 8:36:13 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

People are sheep, just like the housing boom everybody went and bought a house now they are dying a slow death. This Lexus is hard to tell from any other car so why would i want it, 75k and you have tell somebody what it is? I'm not crazy about Jag's but when you drive down the street everbody knows what it is.
Lexus is just so MBZ crazy that everything has to be taken for a S class or they think they didn't do their job and the foolish public just goes along for the ride why?

— chuck717 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/12/2007 9:53:09 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Toyota buying BMW? Give me a break. That's a comment that should be made by comedians. In other words, a JOKE!

Lexus make good cars but they aren't the best. Neither are it's direct competitors (Audi,BMW,& Mercedes). No brand is perfect. Audi is known for good interiors with good quality, BMW is known for it's sport luxury cars being true drivers cars, and Mercedes is known for it's innovations.

Lexus is trying their best to take out its competition and in the US it's doing the job. Well at least the marketing is doing its job. How often do you see an Audi, BMW, or Mercedes commercial compared to Lexus? Enough said.

In most parts of the world when someone thinks of a full size luxury saloon they will be looking towards an Audi, BMW, or Mercedes, not a Lexus. Lexus is the last option that comes to mind. If you guys agree you guys obviously live in the US and have been brain washed with all the marketing. But since the Lexus brand was made primarily for the USDM why wouldn't the US favor the Toyota brand. It's like how American's love their Ford and Dodge trucks. Same goes for Lexus.

— Agent63 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/13/2007 8:11:18 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

I didn't say the LS isn't good, but there are some Lexus fans getting too ahead of themselves thinking Lexus is a Maybach, RR, and Bentley competitor, which it is not. The LS i know is comfortable and drives well. It's just not as elite as the Lexus fans think. It's still an S-Class competitor along with the BMW 7 and the A8. But they don't respect that idea so they try to trick themselves to believing something that isn't true. Also just because Jeremy Clarkson compared the extended version with the tilting seats to a Rolls Royce or any elite brand people believed that as well.

-Agent63

— Agent63 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/13/2007 12:32:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Gee look gang i have a Lexus 600 in my gargage that is the ultimate? If that is your bag and you can afford it fine but to me this is the height of stupidity. If you have real money then go get your RR or Bentley, Jag, MayBach, Ocean Drive(what a name)? because you want the world to know you have made it. But $1,000 a month lease to drive around in a copy cat LS600 just shows me you can afford a little better Toyota then the neighbor can?

— chuck717 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/13/2007 1:56:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Gee look gang i have a Lexus 600 in my gargage that is the ultimate? If that is your bag and you can afford it fine but to me this is the height of stupidity. If you have real money then go get your RR or Bentley, Jag, MayBach, Ocean Drive(what a name)? because you want the world to know you have made it. But $1,000 a month lease to drive around in a copy cat LS600 just shows me you can afford a little better Toyota then the neighbor can?

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Posted on 3/13/2007 1:56:26 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

My post was so good it got posted twice?

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Posted on 3/13/2007 1:58:11 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Best cars in the world>Tell that to people that have ruined engines due to sludge?

— chuck717 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/13/2007 4:00:29 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -1   

Lexus is not the best brand sorry to say. No brand is the best at everything. However there are many brands who do very well in what they produce. Some better than others.

— Agent63 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/15/2007 8:26:11 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Hah, housing bubble. That's because ppl are stupid enough to leverage themselves with under-prime mortgages so they can emulate European materialism with their overpriced cars and handbags.

Sucks for them, but great for those of use who're waiting to take advantage.

btw, last I read, the U.S. housing market consists of about 40% under-prime, in Canda, it's about 5%. Germany better start looking for new export markets if the U.S. economy stumbles.

— huu76 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/13/2007 8:29:42 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Yeah the Lexus is as fast as its competitors. But not the S600 which has never been one of Lexuses competitors. Its in a completely different league.

— germeezy2 (View Profile)

Posted on 3/14/2007 4:54:35 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

in this class of vehicle, minor performance differences are trivial. those who make much ado about them still retain a boy racer mentality.

all that matters, as RR used to say, is the power is "adequate."

the qualities that DO matter, are luxury, comfort, amenities, and for some, technically advanced features. style is subjective. some want flash, some prefer quiet understatement.

given the uniqueness of this vehicle, it is to be expected it has found a niche. and the waiting list shows it will likely have quite a following too. sorta like a prius for the blue blood set!

— XYZZ (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2007 3:56:09 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

all that matters... is that the power is "adequate."

— XYZZ (View Profile)

Posted on 3/16/2007 4:00:16 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

from wikipedia, about the toyota model which is placed ABOVE even the lexus ls:

"The Century remains the first and only Japanese front-engine, rear-wheel drive production car equipped with a V12.

The Century has been Toyota's most luxurious model since its inception in 1967. In fact, it is placed above the Toyota equivalents of Lexus offerings in Japan. The Century is distinguished by different color options than the rest of the Toyota lineup.

Like other cars in the top of the luxury class, the Century is designed with a chauffeur in mind. Hence, the rear seats recline and the front passenger seat has a fold-down center section so that a passenger in the back may stretch his feet forward.

The Century is priced at ¥11,130,000 or approximately US$94,500 (as of 2006).

Although the Century is not exported outside Japan in large numbers, it is used frequently by officials stationed in overseas Japanese offices.

In contrast to other luxurious cars (such as the Maybach or a Rolls Royce), the Century has not been positioned and marketed as a sign of wealth or excess. Instead, the Century projects an image of conservative achievement. Marketing literature states roughly that, "the Century is acquired through persistent work, the kind that is done in a plain but formal suit." This image drove a good deal of the 2nd generation design as a traditional and tasteful update of the original.




it will be interesting to see what happens when toyota DOES attempt to compete with a v12 lexus/toyota century and go head-to-head against the established uber lux barges.

— XYZZ (View Profile)

Posted on 3/18/2007 6:20:51 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1