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Which would you choose, new Mercedes C63 Estate or Audi RS6 Avant?
ess than a day after Audi revealed its super-wagon RS6, rival Mercedes-Benz has released official details and images for the wagon variant of the new C63 ahead of its world debut at next week’s Frankfurt Motor Show. Sporting the same powerdome as the saloon, the new AMG Estate packs the same 457hp (336kW) 6.3L V8 and equally aggressive pumped fenders. The high-performance estate accelerates from 0 to 100 km/h in just 4.6 seconds and is electronically limited to a 250km/h top speed.

The Audi may have the power advantage, but the C63 has the weight advantage. Both cars claim the same acceleration time, so... Read Article



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BenzW124BenzW124 - 9/5/2007 9:46:23 AM
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AUTO_UNIONAUTO_UNION - 9/5/2007 9:52:12 AM
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Look kid, we all know you are stupid! So please leave this site! That would probably be best move in your entire life!


carfuncarfun - 9/5/2007 10:22:55 AM
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You are totally right. Mercedes is for real car enthusiasts like Paris Hilton, Lindsey Lohan, Britney Spears...


w209w114w209w114 - 9/5/2007 2:33:21 PMView My AgentSpace
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Carfun.

They drive whatever has the MOST prestige. I dont see them in an Audi or even less a Lexus. Thats why it is a top car of choice for the rich and famous. Think about it.


w209w114w209w114 - 9/5/2007 2:34:55 PMView My AgentSpace
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The R8 is an exception. Other than that my comment above stands


carfuncarfun - 9/5/2007 3:55:20 PM
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w209

I agree with you about Mercedes having the prestige. But the "car enthusiast" argument that BenzW124 keeps bringing up...that's definitley not true. I would venture to say that the average Audi driver cares less about prestige and more about performance than the average MB driver.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/5/2007 10:39:32 PMView My AgentSpace
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Prestige = nothing. If the guys in Stuttgart were making pieces of crap, but they'd still be prestigious. As it is, some Audi models are simply better than their Mercedes-Benz competitors. In most cases they're neck-and-neck.


w209w114w209w114 - 9/6/2007 9:59:46 AMView My AgentSpace
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I never said Audis were bad. I actually like Audi. I just dont think its at a level with Mercedes or BMW. Sorry. Im sure America at least feels the same way.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 9/6/2007 12:32:47 PM
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actually from what I just read on another site it won't matter which one you want if you live in the U.S. -- Audi apparently isn't bringing ANY RS6's over here. No sedans, no wagons, none whatsoever.


macbjgmacbjg - 9/6/2007 5:57:21 PM
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Have any of you nitwits ever driven a car? Owned one? I have owned three MB's from back when they were quality vehicles, not simply high profile. Since then I was driven away due to poor workmanship and unreliability. Perhaps 20 years ago Mercedes was superior to Audi. Not today. Fit and finish, relability and sportiness are what car enthusiasts look for. Not high profile. You sound like a bunch of suburban teenagers not car guys.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/7/2007 11:26:06 PMView My AgentSpace
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JRob, that is incorrect. The RS6 sedan will be sold here.


Need4SpeedNeed4Speed - 9/5/2007 10:17:01 AM
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On looks alone...I'll go with the Audi. Factor in price/performance the choice gets a little more difficult.

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MercBasherMercBasher - 9/6/2007 7:21:46 PM
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On looks alone and brand strength and durability I'll pick the Mercedes.


Will_Will_ - 9/5/2007 10:28:38 AM
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How is the C63 AMG an RS6 competitor and not an RS4 competitor?

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ElSparquitoElSparquito - 9/5/2007 5:37:03 PM
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Exactly what I was thinking.


jmrA480jmrA480 - 9/8/2007 11:41:43 PM
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agree and people are saying on price alone they would take the C63, of course its cheaper, its a lower class, it should be the E class compared to the RS6.


LarryLarry - 9/5/2007 11:31:16 AM
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LarryLarry - 9/5/2007 11:36:11 AM
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NeverfollowNeverfollow - 9/5/2007 12:04:55 PM
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What's the matter Larry? Didn't your mother give you enough love as a child?

If you believe 3mm panel gaps are Grand Canyon wide as you suggest, you must be using the same form of exaggeration to describe your wiener.


IamEvilHomerIamEvilHomer - 9/5/2007 1:58:33 PM
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larry the Audi pannel gaps are some of the best in the industry

isn't there a Lexus fanboy post you can go back to?


1evlaudi1evlaudi - 9/5/2007 12:25:55 PMView My AgentSpace
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Unbelievable, I cannot fathom the comments made by some of you guys...???
are you desperate for attention? or are you just playing stupid? or just simple of minds?
Benzw124; I told you before, stop using your daddy's computer, if you can not spell, you must go back to school. This is a site for grown up people.
Larry, you also have spelling issues, and grammar too. But you seem a bit older than w124, so maybe you need to take your pills for your anxiety disorder.

Like Lexus and Lexus_admirer, you need to collect yourselves before posting something, if it's relevant, and a fact, we will all appreciate it.
If it's your opinion, state it as so.

If it is bashing for the sake of bashing with no foundation to you claims: GO AWAY.

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M53RM53R - 9/5/2007 1:00:24 PMView My AgentSpace
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The RS6 is bigger and has a bigger engine. They dont really compete.

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SevorbeupstryIsBackSevorbeupstryIsBack - 9/5/2007 1:19:52 PM
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These cars don't compete in any way..

Anyway, RS6 for me.

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StarStar - 9/5/2007 1:45:33 PM
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RiceMaster Because we all know you drove the C63. Nobody of your kind will ever step in a Mercedes like this...it just cost too much. Keep hating...

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JRobUSCJRobUSC - 9/5/2007 5:41:43 PM
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the 6.2L AMG engines are not pushrods, smart guy, they're DOHC with four valves per cylinder.

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ElSparquitoElSparquito - 9/5/2007 5:47:10 PM
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Ricemaster:
So you'd rather have a $60k Acura TL ($30k for the car + $30k for upgrades) than a $60k stock C63? Wow. Good luck with that.

On another note - This comparison doesn't make sense (C63 vs. RS6). I'd go RS6 all the way!

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/7/2007 11:27:24 PMView My AgentSpace
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"If it was a TL, I'd just leave it alone and pocket the 30K since the car is already superior to the C63 in everyway except in straightline acceleration."

Why? Because it's Japanese? Fool.

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golfer38golfer38 - 9/5/2007 1:25:54 PMView My AgentSpace
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I've seen the C350 sport in person and its definitely better looking in person than in print. So I'm sure the C63 would be more of the same.

However, based on the pictures online, the 580hp, all weather capability, I would definitely choose the RS6. It really seems like an unbelieveable all around package.

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mmeeccmmeecc - 9/5/2007 2:03:37 PM
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golfer

I hope for your sake that Merc doesn't decide to bolt on a couple Turbos to that E63 "8 cyl" engine like Audi does to their "10 cyl" engine.. You won't admit it, but that would be pretty embarassing....

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LemantechLemantech - 9/5/2007 7:54:08 PM
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well the C63 and E63 do have 6.3 L engines


golfer38golfer38 - 9/6/2007 11:42:55 AMView My AgentSpace
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I agree, but they don't. If Mercedes dropped their 12cyl. turbo in the E63 that would also be embarrassing, but they don't do that as well. If, if, if...


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/7/2007 11:29:54 PMView My AgentSpace
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Please, explain to me how using a twin-turbocharged Lamborghini V10 in your performance sedan is "embarrassing."

Obviously, this engine didn't need to be turbocharged. The Gallardo, which is not turbocharged, makes up to 520hp. However, Audi wanted to go above and beyond. Not only make it faster and more precise than anything else in this class- but also with massive potential for more power.

I just can't grasp the mindset that turbocharging is in any way inferior. It's in Audi's history, as with many other brands. It is just as effective as extra displacement and supercharging- or, in most cases, moreso.


mmeeccmmeecc - 9/5/2007 2:06:46 PM
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And by the way golfer, nobody cares what kind of "G's" this kind of car can pull in a snowstorm or Hurricane Henriette...

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golfer38golfer38 - 9/6/2007 11:40:45 AMView My AgentSpace
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People tend to give opinions based on their own experiences. In my neck of the woods, we have snow 5 months out the year. Unless we're talking about a true exotic, I believe when you own a car like the RS6, you want to drive it all year long, and I don't have access to a race track. So hypothetically, I don't care that a Merc. may pull a .90 compared to a .89 skid pad rating. Besides, the Audi skid pad rating would be much better than the C63's in a foot of snow.


JRobUSCJRobUSC - 9/6/2007 6:02:25 PM
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"the Audi skid pad rating would be much better than the C63's in a foot of snow."

let's examine that statement. First, aside from the stupidity of comparing how good one race car handles in the snow compared to another race car, both of these vehicles, RS6 included, come with performance summer tires. And if you leave those performance summer tires on it, no it won't. Summer tires = no grip in snow, period. Two wheel drive, four wheel drive, eighteen wheel drive, whatever. It's the tires, people, four wheel drive with summer tires in snow just means spinning four tires instead of two.

But please buy an RS6 and then out and show off how much better it can handle in snow, that'll just drive up resale on the other RS6's that are left in the country when you total yours in 10 seconds.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/7/2007 11:31:38 PMView My AgentSpace
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Are you foolish enough to think that an RS6 buyer wouldn't drop winter tires onto the car? As if he can't afford it?

I understand your point- but it just isn't realistic. Any smart buyer would put winter tires on.


cs4444cs4444 - 9/5/2007 3:26:13 PM
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I would take the merc b/c its rear wheel drive(steering feel), cheaper, and is probably more fun to take on a back road. Considering the Audi weighs 4463 lbs. I like my wagons to feel like a car. not a stiffly sprung SUV.

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RS4tothefloorRS4tothefloor - 9/5/2007 3:31:30 PM
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you have a point there.


LemantechLemantech - 9/5/2007 4:18:07 PM
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Cs4444..the Rs6 will come with the special torson AWD found in the RS4 and DRC(found un the R8).. which will drastically improve handling and steering feel.


ElSparquitoElSparquito - 9/5/2007 5:53:09 PM
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I love the RS6, but he's got a point about the weight. It's a porker. It actually has a worse power/weight ratio than the outgoing model, but I still want one. Although, I wish Audi would put some of its new models on diets. Maybe using CF for the roof like BMW's M6.


LexusLexus - 9/5/2007 4:35:40 PM
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Isn't the new Audi RS6 avant suppose to get like 570-580hp under it hood? If this is true, thank it will spank the C63 AMG for sure.

Design wise I would still choose the Audi over the MB C-class AMG.

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StepYaGameUpStepYaGameUp - 9/5/2007 4:56:14 PM
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c 63.. rear drive is more fun.


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GermanNutGermanNut - 9/5/2007 5:30:34 PM
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RS6 clearly. the C63 is way too slow and not as prestigious.

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JRobUSCJRobUSC - 9/5/2007 5:44:54 PM
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yeah, that Mercedes logo isn't nearly as prestigious as Audi. I mean, nothing makes hot chicks drop their panties like the four rings. That Benz tristar? No way. Poop on the tristar.

Sorry, I must have been dreaming for a second there, what was I saying? Oh yeah, you're an idiot.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/7/2007 11:34:08 PMView My AgentSpace
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GET OFF THE PRESTIGE ARGUMENT! On either side! PRESTIGE DOESN'T MATTER! Especially for a real car enthusiast- it's just a nothing! I want my car to PERFORM well, not get oohs and ahhs at the country club because of the retractable hood ornament!

In that case, both excel. The RS6 would be better suited to me, but the C63 AMG deserves respect, and GermanNut, that was a stupid thing to say. Last time I checked, 0-60mph in 4.6 sec is nothing to sneeze at.


indoctrin8edindoctrin8ed - 9/5/2007 5:45:01 PM
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Bunch of jr. high morons in here playing "hotwheels".

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ElSparquitoElSparquito - 9/5/2007 5:59:52 PM
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Geez, can we drop the "prestigious badge" argument already? If you buy a car only to say that you have a MB/BMW/Audi/etc then you are supremely insecure and you need the badge to make yourself feel better. If you buy a car because you enjoy the way it looks or drives, then who cares what anyone else says? You bunch of snobby beeches!

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GermanNutGermanNut - 9/5/2007 6:06:50 PM
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JRob stop playing stupid as you always do. If you go up to a hot chick and tell her you drive a $95K Audi versus a Mercedes-Benz that costs $35K we all know her panties are going to drop much faster for the more expensive Audi.

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JRobUSCJRobUSC - 9/6/2007 8:30:30 AM
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brother you can spin it any way you want, but if you want a simple definition of prestige here it is:

Ignore the "fans", throw out the "car geeks". Prestige is what you have when people who don't really know anything about cars have the preconceived notion that one brand is more high class than another.

The very simple truth here is unless you roll up in an Audi R8, a Benz is looked at as a more prestigious car by the general public. Period. End of story. Cry all you want about it, it won't make it less true.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/5/2007 10:41:45 PMView My AgentSpace
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These don't compete at all, and the RS6 is obviously the more impressive machine overall. That's also why it will be $30K more so they should not be compared.

Anyway, the RS6 Avant is one of my dream cars now.

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LarryLarry - 9/5/2007 11:13:33 PM
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audi only has prestige for audi fans and audi owners. for your average person audi is not prestigous. If you talk to your high income athlete, singer or rapper does not think audi is prestigious. If fact I know personally most hot girls on South Beach are not impressed with audi, some do not know what a Audi is?
Did you know that Audi came up with the idea of leasing their A8 sedans for free to movie stars in order to raise the Audi profile. Research on google I am 100% certain.

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LarryLarry - 9/5/2007 11:16:20 PM
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Audi does not have pretige, does not have panache, does not have clout in these 50 states.

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LarryLarry - 9/5/2007 11:18:45 PM
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audi does not have prestige, does not have any panache, and no clout in these 50 states. Volvo outsells Audi in the USA.

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LarryLarry - 9/5/2007 11:22:32 PM
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if I wanted a prestigious car i would not want an Audi it is a Volkswagen with a 4 circle symbol.

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GermanNutGermanNut - 9/5/2007 11:37:10 PM
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That entirely your opinion. If you keep spewing your uneducated opinion around we will be sure to get you kicked off this site yet again Larry. You are an uneducated, American minded consumer. More people will be buying Audis worldwide than Mercedes within the next two years.

Audi has prestige, Audi has panache, Audi may not have clout in the United States but the United States does not include the rest of the world you idiot. Audi is going to outsell Mercedes within the next year or two at maximum (the brand with the cachet)

Of course you wouldn't buy one because you are not knowledgable and you have no respect for a car company that will outsell Mercedes-Benz in the 25 years since it almost collapsed entirely in the U.S.



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EnvyofyouRS5EnvyofyouRS5 - 9/6/2007 1:32:12 AM
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Please, lets recap and put together what a real thought well educated on this would be. The rs6 is rivaled to the E 65 and M5, The Mercedes Company Daimler-Benz started oficially and on a constant basis Marketing their cars to the public in collaboration of Mr. Daimler in 1926 http://www.mercedesforum.com/mercedes-benz/history.asp Even though Mr. Karl Benz had been designing cars in the 1890's the cars did not take on the Tri-star logo. Bmw was officially founded as a company in 1922, and did not even start producing cars until 1929. Audi's Roots with Mr. August Horch who was building cars in 1901, and later founded the Audi name with the Auto Union in 1910. Producing and Marketing cars to the public.

If you were to ask any historian, a well educated one even, the answer on which company has more "prestige" would be AUDI. Because of it's roots starting in days prior that of BMW and Benz, and producing cars that carried quality craftsmanship from the begining, Thats always been audi's goal. If i recall well, Audi has never tried to take on Design cues or performance advances from any Auto maker, period.

If you want to talk uber lux and cars that get attention you wont buy any of these Brands, and Roll with elite brands like Bentley or Bugatti. Of which both have more "prestige" than any of these makers combined. Especially the buggati.. prior to the veyron, eb 110.

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JUGNUJUGNU - 9/6/2007 8:23:27 AMView My AgentSpace
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I will never choose a 350BHP Wagon.It's completly pointless.

Instead of C63 AMG,R63 or ML63 is a much better choice.
Or for the same money simply take a Audi A6 Avant and 335i coupe.

JUGNU



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ElSparquitoElSparquito - 9/7/2007 1:36:36 AM
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What make's a 350HP wagon pointless? A sports car with room for everyone and their stuff sounds good to me.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/7/2007 11:36:51 PMView My AgentSpace
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Really? How stupid. Anyway, these are a 450hp wagon and a 580hp wagon, but estates drive so much better than SUVs and have the same trunk space! So why not?


JUGNUJUGNU - 9/6/2007 8:24:30 AMView My AgentSpace
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I will never choose a 350BHP+ Wagon

JUGNU

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EnvyofyouRS5EnvyofyouRS5 - 9/6/2007 2:43:01 PM
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History is history whether or not it is twisted depends on what words and facts are used in or out of context..
The fact is that Audi not under the Horch name was producing marketable cars to the public in 1910, in 1920 (before BMW) was already producing well established Luxury cars , if you dont believe me wikipedia it.

Horch worked for Benz left and formed audi, well before Bmw was even an idea.

Mercedes has more roots than anything else over audi, Audi has foundation as an idependent company establishment Before Mercedes benz aka real name Daimler-Benz.
In justice, there is NO argument that Karl Benz was a pioneer for excellence in engine and automotive engeneering, But i would say that Daimler-Benz has no more Prestige in Automobiles than Audi for the simple fact that they were introduced in the early 1900's as luxury cars, and still to this day are introduced sport and luxury cars.
Bmw is just pure sport, pure rush, their amazing designs, but they dont carry the same history line (prestige) as Benz or Audi for that matter.

Oh and By the way it was Porsche who first introduced a public all wheel drive car in 1901, AND Volkswagen wasnt making any chasis or design but the Beetle or type 1 until 1960 when it came out with the notchback and the audi 60 shared no length or design cues from the notchback!

Please...

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TybeeZ4TybeeZ4 - 9/6/2007 5:19:55 PM
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For $135k, I'll take a 911 Turbo anytime, anywhere.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/7/2007 11:39:06 PMView My AgentSpace
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The RS6 Avant won't be $135K (more like $95K-105K), but for $130K I would get a Turbo, too. Amazing car.

Although, the R8 merits consideration. The lack of rear seats is what gives me pause.


TybeeZ4TybeeZ4 - 9/6/2007 5:20:22 PM
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For $135k, I'll take a 911 Turbo anytime, anywhere. And it's all-wheel drive too.

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richard112360richard112360 - 9/7/2007 1:18:01 PM
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Neither, since both are considered utterly unreliable.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 9/7/2007 11:39:35 PMView My AgentSpace
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Reputations seem to evade reality, don't they?
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