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Who owns the ULTIMATE bragging rights in the hottest car segment on earth?

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Who owns the ULTIMATE bragging rights in the hottest car segment on earth?

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gfunkmoney06 - 10/6/2007 1:59:36 PM

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can't really know yet considering there hasnt been any comparison reviews w/ all four. plus the is-f hasn't been reviewed at all yet.

based on looks though, probably in this order: m3, c63, is-f and rs4.

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kart1 - 10/6/2007 2:01:03 PM

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Each of these has its own attractions. But if it were my money I would have to rate it like this:

1. BMW M3
2. Audi RS4
3. Lexus IS-F
4. MB C63 AMG

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kart1 - 10/6/2007 2:05:57 PM

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Reason: I believe that the M3 will ultimately be the best driving there with the RS4 coming in second. Between the MB and the Lexus, I just like the Lexus better.

adamsaf723 - 10/6/2007 3:03:57 PM

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I still think it's too early to tell. I think what the point of this thread was to see if you think the Japanese car can throw down with the big German dogs. Once the car comes out, then I think we'll know.

chris760 - 10/6/2007 7:51:11 PM

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I agree with the m3 up front, but i think the C63 amg had enough power and torque in addition to handling improvements to tie the rs4, and the lexus...needs to be tested.

Hyundai - 10/6/2007 2:02:11 PM

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THAT IS NOT AN IS-F IN THE PHOTO-COLLAGE!

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Agent001 - 10/6/2007 2:14:09 PMView My AgentSpace

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Good call...changed

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1stgenaristoTT - 10/6/2007 2:35:04 PM

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sure as hell aint

Agent001 - 10/6/2007 2:47:04 PMView My AgentSpace

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It was cached...should be live now

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Hyundai - 10/6/2007 2:57:44 PM

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There we go! Thanks, 001.

GermanNut - 10/6/2007 2:02:29 PM

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1. Benz C63 AMG
2. Audi RS4
3. BMW M3
4. Lexus IS-F

The C63 AMG has taken horsepower, torque and straight-line acceleration to a whole new level. The car will easily out-accelerate a BMW M3 without any trouble. Furthermore, the handling of the C63 is incredible give AMG's history of creating cars that couldn't handle if their lives depended on it.

Audi's RS4 has defeated the new BMW M3 twice due to its all-around civility and daily driveability factor. The class-leading interior combined with sharp steering, wonderful exhaust note and Quattro AWD give Audi the second spot

The BMW M3 takes third place. Sure it may have invented this segment, but it unfortunately has not done enough to stay on top of this segment. The car will get smacked in the straights by the C63 AMG, the RS4 provides almost as good feedback and the M3 clearly does not not have any dynamic capabilities that place it in a different universe when compared to the other cars in this segment.

Lexus....well I have no comment on them.



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SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/6/2007 2:22:12 PM

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I disagree. I've driven BOTH the RS4 (in ALL forms: cabrio, avant and sedan) and the M3 (coupe) and I thought the M3 was the best. But it's very close. The RS4 has better steering. That's it.
M3 has an even better engine, an even better throttle response and a better brake feel. The gearbox in the M3 is more precise but the RS4 has shorter, more sportier throws...

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/6/2007 6:32:41 PM

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"Audi RS's tended to be better"

They had more grip, were nose-heavy and turbo charged engines.. I loved them.

But AMGs were always good handling cars, but the focus was still a Merc - which is comfort.

CLK63BlackSeries - 10/7/2007 5:27:22 AM

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I've driven the E55, E63, Cls55, and Cls63, and I can tell you without a doubt that mercedes cars have NOT always handled well. The E55 was a HORRIBLE handling car with body roll like a boat and a numb steering. However, with each new model they have raised their bar and now they finally have it right with the CLK Black series and the E63 is not too far off from where it should be. I dont know which AMG cars you have driven but I can for sure tell you that AMG cars havent always been this good to drive.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/7/2007 5:41:51 PM

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Yeah I agree with you the early E55 AMG was rubbish.. the E63 AMG much better but it's still no M5. (and it SHOULD NOT BE, it's an AMG for crying out loud!)

The CLS 55 and CLS 63 are on the same platform of the E-class and they are brilliant handlers..

By the way, never heard of the 030 package?

adamblack - 10/9/2007 8:37:41 AM

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you said mercedes c63 is the best you wrong the audi rs4 is the best..... the second best is bmw m3 the third is lexus is-f the last is mercedes c63 and mercedes only for the cocky rich poeple

Hyundai - 10/6/2007 2:04:56 PM

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Based on looks of the exterior alone: RS4, C63, IS-F, e90 M3.

Based on looks of the exterior/interior together: RS4, IS-F, e90 M3, C63.

I don't know enough about how they all drive to tell you anything more.

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Hyundai - 10/6/2007 2:06:17 PM

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Sorry, the looks of the exterior should place the e90 M3 before the IS-F. I can see a reason for a tie, though - for dead last, although I like them all.

Audi4Life - 10/6/2007 2:13:45 PM

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i think something attracts the rs4 a bit more for me than an m3 but they are both sweet cars...so here goes my list:
RS4
M3
IS-F
MB C63 AMG

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SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/6/2007 2:16:51 PM

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C 63 will beat anything is straight-line performance and the handling seems to be pretty good too. (I have to book a testdrive!) The M3 is still an M3, just a bit more grown-up but still good as ever. The RS4's looks are timeless, however it's an old model (2001 A4) and it looks dated compared to the new stunning A4. These are the 3 main players.

Currently I am in love with the M3 (especially after the testdrive) but it could shift to the spectacular C63. The RS4 is great, but it's time has come to enter the Audi hall of fame. It was the first Audi that actually could handle like a proper sportscar.

As long as there is no new RS4, the M3 gets my vote.

Oh boy.. I can't wait for the CSL!

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jmrA480 - 10/6/2007 6:27:08 PM

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What are u talking about 2001 A4 for the RS4? Thats a B7 model not the B5 . You losing it or something

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/6/2007 6:30:37 PM

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Although Audi said is was a new model, the current RS4 (B7) is pretty much exactly the same as the B6 chassis-wise. Interior-wise not much has changed.

jmrA480 - 10/7/2007 7:13:42 PM

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I know, I thought you were talking about the B5 model, 01 here in the states was still the B5. And yes the interior in the B6 and B7 was the same, I had both.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/8/2007 11:16:32 AMView My AgentSpace

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"As long as there is no new RS4, the M3 gets my vote."

Well, I guess the M3 won't be your favorite for long then...

LOL, I love this. Always waiting for the next one to come out. Who will be on top?

lyonboy - 10/6/2007 2:17:41 PM

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M3, RS4, C63, ISF. Without anyone really driving all these cars that is my guess. BMW usually comes out on top because of balance and feel. BMWs are usually the easiest to drive hard. The Audi a close second. The C63 I expect to be fast and clumsy like most AMG's. While I admire Lexus for trying the IS-F better drive alot better than it looks(too boy racer for me)

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germeezy2 - 10/6/2007 2:19:01 PM

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We still have not seen the 09 CTS-V, so the class is not complete...yet

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theoptimisticpessimist - 10/6/2007 2:28:02 PM

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1.M3 - new, hot, Manual trans = true drive cars
1.RS4 Just an amazing car. Manual trans = true drive cars

2. C63 + AMG Very fast. - but not as engaging as it's German brethren. Automatic
3.Lexus + boy racer looks, loyal fan base - on performance, Lexus alway over promises and under delivers. Automatic.

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Hyundai - 10/6/2007 2:34:53 PM

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Well, to be fair, Lexus said "under 6 seconds" for the IS 350 and it had been tested by Motor Trend (maybe it was Road & Track, but the test was against the TL and G35) and achieved a time of 4.9 seconds 0-60. That is hardly "ALWAYS over promising".

And, you are hardly an optimistic pessimist.

theoptimisticpessimist - 10/6/2007 2:55:57 PM

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My comments are based on the whole driving experince. Read past reviews on SC400,IS300,SC430,and the new IS350 . My favorite quote is from Automobile on the IS300 "the car to buy if you absolutely hate BMW."

Hyundai - 10/6/2007 3:04:54 PM

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I would have given your words a little more merit if you hadn't said, "on performance, Lexus alway over promises and under delivers."

I remember the IS 300 besting the 330i (it could have been a 328i, actually) in performance driving, but losing in the straight-line acceleration department, as well as luxury aspect of the game, in a car comparison. The IS 250 with the X-Package also beat the 335i's time in the slalom.

MOST of the time, BMW > Lexus for performance.

There are exceptions, though, which is what I am pointing out. There is no such thing as "Lexus always under delivers on its performance promises."

In general, your words < reality.

theoptimisticpessimist - 10/6/2007 3:30:06 PM

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Who did that road test? I never read where the 330i or 328i lost out the the IS300. I remember 1 review wher the IS300 beat the 325i automatic.

As far as the slalom results from Edmunds review here is the last line of the article.

"What the IS 250 really needs is a little Lexus quality applied to the sound of the engine, the action of the shift linkage and the feedback from the steering, and then it might be a stronger alternative to the European sport sedans."

Big number don't always make the best drivers car.

Hyundai - 10/6/2007 4:31:42 PM

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Right now, I can't find the comparison between the 1st Gen IS 300 and the BMW 3 in question, but I did find this from Road&Track:

"'The manually equipped car allows you to better wring the most out of the car — especially in, through and out of corners — and you get a terrific sense of just how sporty the chassis is. Conversely, by driving the stick-shift version, you develop a better appreciation of just how good the automatic transmission is.' An informal count of hands by editors lurking around the water cooler revealed a startling result: By the slightest of margins, the automatic transmission was the victor. (And we refer to ourselves as "enthusiast" drivers. Ha!)

Another positive attribute of the IS 300 is its wonderful degree of grip and steady handling in wet conditions. 'It was a wet, wet trip back from Willow Springs Raceway," says Production Editor Jerilyn Jeffery, 'and the IS 300 handled it beautifully. Even with every SUV in the world out there throwing water all over, the car always felt steady, no wandering.

'I’d have a tough time choosing between a manual IS 300 and BMW 3 Series,' says Road Test Assistant Shaun Bailey, while Road Test Editor Patrick Hong’s final entry says simply, 'I’m going to be sorry to see this car leave.'"

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=4&article_id=171&page_number=2

"Who did that road test? I never read where the 330i or 328i lost out the the IS300."

Now you are twisting my words. I never said that the Lexus beat the BMW. I am saying that they preferred the "performance driving, but lost in the straight-line acceleration department, as well as luxury aspect of the game."

This may be the car comparison (edmunds) that I was looking for, actually (it was a multiple car comparison, with the BMW being a 330i):

"It moves, baby. Whether it's chomping up the tarmac during performance testing or arcing around mountain curves, it struts and shakes its stuff and is graceful doing it. It's as tossable as a kooshball and literally begs for more, which accounts for its first place finish in the slalom run at 64.3 mph. It actually scored higher than the BMW (by two percentage points) for the ineffable "Fun to Drive" category. Editor-in-Chief Christian Wardlaw practically had a conniption when faced with the prospect of losing his turn at driving it, so desirous was he of this talented vehicle. Light, agile and nimble, one editor commented that it reminded her of a feral tomcat.

Some of the spice of the secret recipe lies in a perfectly balanced chassis that seemingly pivots at the midpoint. You'd expect a harsh ride, given its prowess on curvy roads, and yes, it transmits more harshness than would be desired in a luxury sedan, but the sophisticated double wishbone front and rear suspension also gives you an amazing amount of communication from the road, and the ride around town ain't too shabby, either. And oh, the joys of steering — turn-in is razor sharp, and we felt as if

Hyundai - 10/6/2007 4:33:26 PM

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we were wielding a surgeon's scalpel as we ripped down the side of a hill.

Truly, the drivetrain gives the BMW a run for its money; in terms of pure driving dynamics, the BMW shouldn't rely solely on past laurels of being the Ultimate Driving Machine. However, living up to the Lexus badge, and its sedan status, requires more than thrills. This is where the IS stumbles.

The driver may forgive the garish, cheap materials that comprise her environment, but her passengers will be shouting their disapproval.

If you prefer a sporty sedan and don't care much about feature content, this is your car, especially since it's relatively easy on the wallet. But our comparison test was designed to seek out the cars that could manage both sport and luxury. Where's Goldilocks' "just right" bowl of porridge when you need it?

So then, Lexus is heavy on the performance and light on the luxury, landing the IS 300 mid-pack, in my opinion, in the race for best entry-level luxury sport sedan. "

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/Comparos/articleId=46528/pageId=4802

The BMW is definitely the more luxurious car.

I don't get why you are trying so hard to discredit Lexus. Just be honest and say that Lexus has had a great car in the IS 300 (and IS 250 with X-Package) when it comes to performance, but the rest of Lexus' don't offer that same type of performance. That would be honest. Is it really that hard?

theoptimisticpessimist - 10/6/2007 6:33:31 PM

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Perhaps there is no more bitter combat currently than between BMW and Lexus; it reminds me of Ford and Chevy years ago. These two luxury brands are so different in the execution of the car, one performance and Luxury and the other pure luxury. To hear comments about Lexus burying BMW of vice versa is just nonsense. Since Lexus was introduced both brands have exploded in sells, from different buying demographics. Lexus has done a remarkable job devouring the U.S. luxury market left wide open buy poor products from Cadillac and Mercury, just look at the history of their sells numbers.

Do I hate Lexus, no, in fact I have puts several Lexus in friends driveway. Would I buy a Lexus? Yes the LX or GX yes, but not one of their cars. I have driven the majority of their cars in fact all but the hybrids, and liked them, not loved them. The difference is in the driving. As a driving enthusiast I can tell you from experience that you can feel the where the R&D money goes. Not at 8/10 and above either, it’s in the every day driving. I am not talk about some mythical “magic feel”, I hate that term, it’s just writer short cut. It’s when you hit a bump in the middle of a turn the back end doesn’t hop all over, when the steering give you perfect feed back and the car seems to have so much ability left when you have pushed it so hard. This is where Lexus lacks in the maturity of the driving. Sure that can put up the superb numbers but they can’t match the driving experience. Lexus is a remarkable and terrific car company, they just don’t’ build car for me.

As far as material go, look where each company spends it money and I have read no review the slights the E90 for shoddy materials. Yes Lexus leather is softer; it’s also thinner and they use less of it. Lexus has leather seating surfaces BMW has complete leather seats. Everybody praise of IS dash material which always annoys me, since I see the same material on my friends 4-Runner dash. Yes it nice, but it also through the entire Toyota line.

Perhaps I am biased, due mostly to the Lexus fan’s that cry out about dominate BMW or German car performance. They haven’t yet. Both brands both fans offer out such vitriolic rhetoric it almost puts me off each (but it does make for some fun blogs).

So that’s my take.

Hyundai - 10/6/2007 6:51:09 PM

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I agree with everything you said there.

The thing is, is that you completely disregarded the point of my posts in exchange for bashing Lexus. Lexus has made cars with real performance attributes, so they do have the capability and know-how. The problem is their willingness to inject the sporting attributes across the line-up due to fear of losing their loyal customers. I am curious as to why you disregarded those points that I had made.

Lexus does not make a single car that I would buy if I had the money for it. Audi does. BMW does (the 6er, and only the 6er). Mercedes-Benz does not, either.

The point of why I brought up those articles was because you disregarded Lexus as a company that has NEVER made a car that could challenge the Europeans in driving dynamics. They have. The IS 300, while a great sport sedan, does not have the full package, which is what Audi and BMW have.

Hyundai - 10/6/2007 10:47:45 PM

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The people that de-boosted me are cowards: fact.

cs4444 - 10/6/2007 2:38:55 PM

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The M3 would be first, it has the best engine hooked up to the most balanced chassis,suspension that is stiff but isn't harsh, and once the DSG comes along it will that much better.Second would be between the C63 and the is-f, which is basically a Japaneses version of the merc. Both have big v8s , Rwd,and auto boxes. The C63 and the Is-f will probably be the fastest in a straight line, b/c they put up large tourqe numbers. Between the C63 and the Is-f it will come down to buyer preference. These are fairly cheap compact sedans that are supposed to behave like sports cars thats what this segment is all about. I feel like have 4wd in a car thats supposed to be like a sports car is kind of an oxymoron, so that is why i place the Rs4 last. I also think the Rs4 is to stiffly sprung, which it does need to control is mass,and its stiff spring and damper rates do give it good road feel, but this also gives the car a harsh ride.Think of it as if you were driving a steamroller on the road, you will get road feel but you will also feel the road on your ass. Im not saying the M3 is the fastest or the most stylish, but i do believe it does everything well, and b/c its so well rounded its 1st.

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IamEvilHomer - 10/6/2007 2:43:40 PM

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they should give it a 30 speed tranny that would rock

or better yet there are a few trannies on Santa Monica blvd that might spice up the car

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cs4444 - 10/6/2007 2:51:04 PM

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homer get a life

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Hyundai - 10/6/2007 3:08:12 PM

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Did somebody say, "trannie"? :/

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enthusiastx11 - 10/6/2007 11:16:58 PM

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ah yes...pretty gauges and an automatic....the hallmarks of a performance machine.

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JRobUSC - 10/7/2007 11:37:50 AM

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wow, no way, nicad likes the IS-F. Huge shock. Never saw that coming.

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tekknikal - 10/6/2007 2:40:30 PM

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lol.
its funny to me how the GT-R isn't listed or discussed.

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theoptimisticpessimist - 10/6/2007 2:42:54 PM

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I would agree, but frankly the GT-R is more like a ZO6 Vette, ultra high performance in a very unique class.

Hyundai - 10/6/2007 3:09:42 PM

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It's funny that you don't get that this is a luxury sport sedan comparison!

HA.. HA.. HA!

Rupert - 10/6/2007 5:12:49 PMView My AgentSpace

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I can say 8 speed sports shift whatever.

I can also say slushbox, PR hype and rice.

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S4cabriofoxone - 10/6/2007 5:24:27 PMView My AgentSpace

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Can you say, "manual transmission?"

As many gears as the IS-F may have, it definitely does not make up for the lack of a manual. The C63 AMG is the exception- but that's because of its monster hp/torque. The IS-F doesn't break any new ground in terms of power, so that will be its downfall.



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1995e34 - 10/6/2007 2:46:55 PM

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1. m3 sedan: it's the best

2. c63: no clutch = no chance.

3. rs4: no rwd = no chance.

4.is-f: ugly beak.

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1995e34 - 10/6/2007 2:58:58 PM

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whatever you say, i'm doing the complete opposite.

Hyundai - 10/6/2007 3:13:33 PM

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Given that the RS4 has AWD, that is the best car to have if you live in anywhere that has snow.

How does having AWD make the RS4 an automatic loser??

Then again, I would prefer an RS4 over everything else based solely on looks alone!

S4cabriofoxone - 10/6/2007 5:25:37 PMView My AgentSpace

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"3. rs4: no rwd = no chance."

Have you read a single review? It has beaten the M3 in 50% of their comparison tests-- and that's on a seven-year-old platform WITHOUT MLP!

1995e34 - 10/7/2007 1:25:08 PM

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steering. weight.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 3:53:22 PMView My AgentSpace

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It weighs less than the M3.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 3:54:15 PMView My AgentSpace

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And--there's a fine line here--there is a difference between "steering" and "handling." The RS4 has better-weighted, more communicative steering than the M3, but the M3 has better handling and is more fun on back roads.

1995e34 - 10/7/2007 5:22:10 PM

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there's still power going to the wheels that steer. it's a no go.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/8/2007 11:17:49 AMView My AgentSpace

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You've never driven it.

1995e34 - 10/8/2007 1:02:10 PM

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i know i haven't. i am fundamentally opposed to powering the wheels that steer though. i'm not saying it won't kick ass. just that in my eyes, power going to the front wheels garners a similar penalty to an automatic transmission. think how much less it would weigh than the bmw if it were rwd.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/9/2007 12:12:44 AMView My AgentSpace

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True. But it doesn't matter- I love both.

theoptimisticpessimist - 10/6/2007 2:59:40 PM

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What slower? Lexus hasn't let the press drive one yet. So all have are vague performance numbers.

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1995e34 - 10/6/2007 3:00:32 PM

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are you a real person or just a caricature? seriously.

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Hyundai - 10/6/2007 3:24:32 PM

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Yes nicad/renlex, please tell us!

I have been having a hard time trying to take you seriously.

You don't seem like a person who is open-minded, which is what academics are. You want to get an LF-A after you get your bachelor of architecture (not sure what it is called in "Northern Europe")? How do you plan on affording an LF-A after getting your architecture degree? Even without a masters in architecture, you think you would be able to afford an LF-A? What makes you certain that you will be making anything near the level of salary that could afford you to buy an exotic car? Architects typically don't make much money out of university. Where I live, you need to have a masters degree in architecture if you want to have any chance at having a good living. Even then, with a masters degree, chances are good that you will only earn a little more than somebody who doesn't have one, for many years until you get good experience and find a patron who will subsidize your projects (if you are worthy). Do you go to a highly credible school for architecture? In the case that you do, you must be a very good student (many here are likely getting the impression that you probably aren't). Where exactly in Northern Europe do you and your mom live?

That is all the questions I have for now.

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Hyundai - 10/6/2007 4:35:42 PM

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You might care if you wanted to have any credibility on this website; otherwise, you are nothing but a delinquent.

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Hyundai - 10/6/2007 4:56:48 PM

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lol... unless you're a partner in your "dad's studio", you won't be making the kind of money to buy an LF-A. Nice try, though.

You are right on one thing though, architecture is a very fun field of work.

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Rupert - 10/6/2007 5:14:14 PMView My AgentSpace

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It's weird you like Lexus, because all architects drive Audis.

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Hyundai - 10/6/2007 5:20:54 PM

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Exactly, Rupert, which is why I prefer Audis, in general, over Lexus'.

I don't know why I would have thought so myself (actually, it is obvious.. !), but I had the same thought.

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STJ88 - 10/6/2007 3:06:55 PM

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The IS-F in first place and in second place the C63.

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Hyundai - 10/6/2007 3:27:23 PM

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So says the guy with C*36*AMG as his screen name? What? C36???

Great, another troll...

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SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/6/2007 6:42:44 PM

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What is so weird about C36? My dad owned one back in the days..

Hyundai - 10/6/2007 7:05:29 PM

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I don't know, there is just something about it that says "Ford Tempo", or "Chrysler Spirit". Actually, it looks more like a "Chrysler Tempo"..

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/7/2007 4:41:07 AM

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???

c36amg - 10/6/2007 3:13:26 PM

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c63 is going to out perform all of the remaining rear-benchers !!!!! The exterior is the best of all & the interior is on par with profile of the car if not equal to a better quality interior like Audi's. The second place does goto RS4. I have been inside a 10 year old S4, it was quite unbelievable.

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528i - 10/6/2007 3:15:53 PMView My AgentSpace

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exterior
RS4
IS-F
M3
C63

performance
M3
RS4
C63
IS-F

interior
IS-F
RS4
M3
C63

straight-line acceleration
C63
IS-F
M3
RS4


Just what I think...

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S4cabriofoxone - 10/6/2007 5:28:14 PMView My AgentSpace

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"straight-line acceleration
C63
IS-F
M3
RS4"

The RS4 is quicker than the M3--and we have no idea how quick the IS-F will be.

SevorbeupstryIsBack - 10/6/2007 6:48:06 PM

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Listen S4, the RS4 is definitely NOT quicker than the new M3. I drove both and in fact the M3 is slightly quicker. At least it feels more responsive and the engine is more willing to rev. I'm not saying the RS4 engine is rubbish, honestly it's one of the world's great V8 engines but at BMW they have far more experience in building high revving engines for the street and it shows. RS4 engine: 9/10 M3 engine 10/10.

it's just fabulous. just like the M5 and all other M-cars (except the E36 US 240-hp M3) it makes that special induction noise. It's hard to describe, but Jeremy Clarkson said it sounded the best on the M3 CSL.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/7/2007 10:53:04 AMView My AgentSpace

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"Listen S4, the RS4 is definitely NOT quicker than the new M3. I drove both and in fact the M3 is slightly quicker. At least it feels more responsive and the engine is more willing to rev."

It "felt" quicker doesn't mean it IS quicker, Sevor. That was a pretty dumb comment.

RS4's quickest 0-60 time: 4.3 sec

M3's: 4.4 sec

cs4444 - 10/7/2007 12:47:00 PM

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S4 just because the RS4 is a tenth quicker to 60 doesn't mean its the quicker car. As you know the M3 is quicker to higher speeds and around a track.

S4cabriofoxone - 10/9/2007 10:31:27 PMView My AgentSpace

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They're almost identical in every category. I'll leave it at that.

Bill - 10/6/2007 3:24:56 PM

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1) C63 AMG
2) RS4
3) BMW M3

The IS-F is not even on my list...

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Hyundai - 10/6/2007 3:35:36 PM

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That's funny, because it is on BMW's, Audi's, and M-B's list. You are so stuck-up that you couldn't even say that Lexus is 4th in this comparison?