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Why do you have to buy an Audi S5 to get the performance of a BMW 335?
When we were in Frankfurt for the first time last month I couldn't help but notice how beautiful the new Audi S5 coupe was.

Between that and the BMW 335 Coupe, you won't find a better looking pair anywhere.

Except maybe on 001's arm on a Saturday night.

The S5 is not only gorgeous on the outside, but the interior in typical Audi fashion, does not disappoint.

In fact, I think it's much higher quality and better designed than the 335's.

But what perplexes me now that I'm reading the reviews of the S5, is that one has to step up to an S5 to get 335 performance.

Virtually every review I've read praises the car but when you look at the performance numbers, they are virtually identical to the 335.

Here are a couple quotes from the reviews:

Automobile

'All of that said, the S5 is not a sport coupe in te BMW 3-Series mold. It's a very effective means of covering ground at high velocities, but it just isn't very involving to drive.'

AutoWeek

'Audi says all that power allows the S5 to run from 0 to 62 mph (100 km/h) in just 5.1 seconds.'

The Spies will be driving the S5 for the first time in a couple weeks and we are curious about the REAL stats...

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/13/2007 12:15:31 PMView My AgentSpace
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I would rather have an S5 than a 335xi, for a few reasons:

• It is MUCH better-looking. I didn't think they could get it to be much prettier than the E92- but I was wrong. Wow. The body alone is worth the extra cost.

• It is, in fact, quicker. The S5's fastest time for 0-60mph is 4.5 seconds, to the 335i's 4.8. The 335xi has not been tested yet. It would also have a higher top speed if you took the limiter out.

• It's hard to resist a V8.

• The interior is once again the best in this class and easily trumps the 3er's.

• If you option both of them up (335xi and S5), they will be within $5K of each other. That's not much when you're over $50K.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/13/2007 12:16:50 PMView My AgentSpace
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"'Audi says all that power allows the S5 to run from 0 to 62 mph (100 km/h) in just 5.1 seconds.'"

BTW, why would you post this? 0-100km/h times are different from 0-60 times. Surprisingly different, in fact.

And you also must remember how understated Audi's "official" times always are.


Agent001Agent001 - 10/13/2007 12:20:39 PMView My AgentSpace
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My point is for 15g's more shouldn't it just absolutely blow it away?

The early stats don't seem to show that...

001


Agent001Agent001 - 10/13/2007 12:21:55 PMView My AgentSpace
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And P.S.

I love the new S5...that and he R8 are the two best Audi's right now imho.

001


rg12345rg12345 - 10/13/2007 12:48:32 PM
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Don'lt be bias 001; what 15k?? How do you come up with that price? A decent loaded (not full) 335i will easily run 50k, close to the 50k MSRP S5. Now load the S5 nicely and you'll find 5-10k difference, depending on the options you choose, no way 15k. And yes, I would pay 6-7k more just to have the S5 for the reason S4cabriofx wrote.

You are just trying to start a stupid war again?

Stock vs stock(we are talk about stock cars, right), performance wise the S5 is just a little faster than the 335i. But don't forget NOT everybody is racing theirs cars on the streets. I would, but you can only get so many tickets before you get suspended. And then not even the mighty arm of the 001 won't do much. (the part with the arm in your text: I hope that you wrote it as 100% joke)


henbmwhenbmw - 10/13/2007 1:01:27 PM
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My opinion differs:

-Looks are subjective but I think the 335i looks meaner and more aggressive. The S5 is gorgeous, but in a different way than the 335i. Two different beauties in my opinion.

-All the reviews I've read put the 335i and S5 about dead even in performance. With that said, the 335i can be tuned very easily and cheaply (50+hp for ~$1000), trumping the performance of the S5 handily.

-It's hard to resist a BMW bi-turbo I-6

-I will give the interior to the S5, however I don't believe the difference is so much that I would choose it over another car.

-The price is not even close to 5g difference. A loaded 335xi would be around 52g's. The Audi S5 Edmunds just tested had an MSRP of $62,000. That would be 10g; that is a very significant difference.


Agent001Agent001 - 10/13/2007 1:14:34 PMView My AgentSpace
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The 335 coupe configured the way I would buy it was $49k.

Autoweek says this:

2008 AUDI S5
ON SALE: November
BASE PRICE: $59,000 (est)
DRIVETRAIN: 4.2-liter, 354-hp, 325-lb-ft V8; awd, six-speed manual
CURB WEIGHT: 3590 lb (est)
0 TO 60 MPH: 4.9 sec (est)
FUEL MILEAGE (COMBINED): 16 mpg (est)

So with options it should cross the $60k threshold...maybe mid 60's done right?

And the quote of on my arm was referring to a lady...not my arm strength! LOL!

001


TheSailorTheSailor - 10/13/2007 1:29:21 PMView My AgentSpace
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Who figured a 50k MSRP on the S5?!? That is cheaper than the, now discontinued, S4... that is just silly! Where I live, the S5 is 25% more expensive than a standard trim 335Ci... That's alot!


rg12345rg12345 - 10/13/2007 2:37:27 PM
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Here was another article on autospies saying that Audi press released the A5/S5 prices, 001 should now that, S5 starting at 50k. And if that article is wrong, it should be deleted or market as "incorrect"

Myself, I know for sure the MSRP on the S5 won't be much more than 50k. 1k more or less, doesn't really count.

But even if you don't know that as a fact, you can figure it out yourself, just go on the Audi website in europe, find the difference in price comparing the S5 vs any other Audi car and than check the price on audiUSA on that car to see the price of the S5. You don't have to be a genious to do that. Didn't get it? The S5 in europe is about 5k euros cheaper than the (let's use) A6 4.2 V8(55k euros), now we already know the A6 in US is 56k USD so the S5 is 51k USD. Audi keeps almost the same price no matter if it's in euros or usd(as you can see on the A6), at least it did all the way until now. I was able to predict the price an all previous cars using this silly technique, it should work this time also.



Agent001Agent001 - 10/13/2007 2:41:37 PMView My AgentSpace
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Well, if you are right then, it makes things a lot closer and a better strategy for them.

001


ThierryHenry14ThierryHenry14 - 10/13/2007 3:38:20 PM
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S5 starts at 50k. I had one built at my dealership.


TheSailorTheSailor - 10/13/2007 4:44:04 PMView My AgentSpace
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Hmm... That's strange... That means that Audi is either selling their cars dirt cheap or BMW has a huge mark up on their cars in the US, because the 335Ci I've had spec'd out completely by a danish dealership (and i'm considering buying) is just over $15k cheaper than a standard S5 with no accesories!


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/13/2007 5:41:57 PMView My AgentSpace
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"y point is for 15g's more shouldn't it just absolutely blow it away?"

I specifically stated in my post that it's NOT $15K more. Read!


leelemonleelemon - 10/13/2007 7:14:00 PM
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It's not that Agent001 didn't read your post, but rather he disagrees with you. Last I checked the base MSRP of a 335i was 40,800 USD and a 335xi was 42,600. The Audi s5 base MSRP is about 50,500 USD. That's a significant difference. Yes, if you leave off all options on the s5 and get a loaded 335i(or xi), then the price will be roughly similar - but that's hardly a fair comparison. S5 with several options vs. 335xi with several options equals at least an 8 grand difference. S4cabriofoxone, from your name we can all see why you are obviously audi biased. The s5 is a good looking car, but please don't let your bias distort pricing facts.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/13/2007 8:24:15 PMView My AgentSpace
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"Yes, if you leave off all options on the s5 and get a loaded 335i(or xi), then the price will be roughly similar - but that's hardly a fair comparison. S5 with several options vs. 335xi with several options equals at least an 8 grand difference. S4cabriofoxone, from your name we can all see why you are obviously audi biased. The s5 is a good looking car, but please don't let your bias distort pricing facts."

The thing is, the S5 will be standard with a lot more features than the 335xi. Hence, the BMW will need a lot of options to be fairly compared to the Audi- making their prices very similar. I am not as biased as you might think; I love the 335xi and would definitely consider one vs. the S5 as a winter car. But the thing is, I don't think the S5's price has to be justified, and I'm sick of peopple (like 001) saying things like this. BMW certainly hit one out of the park with the 335i coupe- does everything well, and it's not overpriced. But with the S5, it takes luxury, speed and style to the next level, so it should be priced higher. It's not a "normal" car that you will see every day, like the 335i.


r_driver04r_driver04 - 10/13/2007 10:22:13 PM
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No way. Audi's playing second fiddle. Better luck next time.


IamEvilHomerIamEvilHomer - 10/14/2007 12:30:17 AM
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the base of the S5 is 50500

you can add about 6 k in options with every option

the 335 is a great car but not as nice as a S5


IamEvilHomerIamEvilHomer - 10/14/2007 12:30:21 AM
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the base of the S5 is 50500

you can add about 6 k in options with every option

the 335 is a great car but not as nice as a S5


xj13xj13 - 10/14/2007 8:27:35 AM
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I agree 100%, this S5 in stunning.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/14/2007 3:45:14 PMView My AgentSpace
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"Who figured a 50k MSRP on the S5?!? That is cheaper than the, now discontinued, S4..."

The S4 (which is still on sale in the US) is $48K. The S5, according to Audi, starts at $50,500 or something.


TheSailorTheSailor - 10/14/2007 4:08:21 PMView My AgentSpace
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Well... My last posts still stands then... Then Audi must be giving huge discounts to the american importer or BMW has a huge mark up, because it doesn't add up compared to europe! Here (in Denmark) you can have a fully loaded 335Ci for 15k less than a box standard S5... If I want an S5 (which I would like) with the same sort of equipment as the fully loaded 335i, it would become close to 30k more expensive!


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/15/2007 6:06:16 PMView My AgentSpace
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CommonSense, back off! I love the 335xi and the S5, and it will be very hard for me to choose between them assuming I come to that purchase decision. I'm just stating my opinion... today, I would rather have an S5. Who knows about tomorrow?

Also, I don't lease.


EL34EL34 - 10/13/2007 12:23:13 PM
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I would have to test drive both cars at least 3 times before making a decision and I wouldn't decide over a couple of tenths of seconds. I would get the car that fits me the best.

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HyundaiHyundai - 10/13/2007 7:53:22 PM
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I completely agree. :)


TheSailorTheSailor - 10/13/2007 12:29:05 PMView My AgentSpace
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As with every other car on the planet, there is more to the story than just the 0-60, skidpad, top speed, power and torque.
I'll rather have an S5 than a 335i for reasons I am not going to use half a page explaining here, however, I am probably going to choose a 335i for a very simple reason: The S5 is going to be almost $25k more expensive than the fully loaded 335i in Denmark (because of our ludicris tax system)...

Come on agents! It looks better, it has AWD, it has way more standard luxury items, it has a V8 (this is like with the LS600h, the 335i might have the power of a V8, but it is still "just" an I6)... OFCAUSE IT IS GOING TO BE MORE MONEY! DUHH!

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recca7recca7 - 10/13/2007 12:29:45 PM
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i'd probably take the 335 and put in 15g's worth of mods to make the exterior look better and bump up the performance a bit

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rg12345rg12345 - 10/13/2007 1:19:31 PM
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It's already a good looking car, just not quite nice as the S5. You better put your money in performance stuff, cause some things you can not change. Like interior:will always look the same.


r_driver04r_driver04 - 10/13/2007 10:28:37 PM
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You buy the Audi, you better save your money up for a fire extinguisher and window motors. Performance won't matter much when it's in the driveway on fire.


Audi4LifeAudi4Life - 10/13/2007 12:49:21 PM
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because you can...

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JUGNUJUGNU - 10/13/2007 1:04:36 PMView My AgentSpace
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335i Coupe for me.

Looks better, drives better, less expensive, performance oriented interior, more potential of tuning/modifying as its turbo charged, better fuel economy ....etc

JUGNU

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/13/2007 8:26:59 PMView My AgentSpace
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"Looks better, drives better, less expensive, performance oriented interior..."

All of these can be changed. Looks better? The 335i is the best-looking BMW in quite awhile, but most people on here think the S5 looks better. Drives better? It depends what you want- if you're comparing the S5 to the 335xi, it's V8 vs. inline six. I prefer the torque of the V8, but I'd take either. The S5's interior is actually more focused on the driver, which used to be BMW's philosophy but they have made their interiors more bland and spartan. If "spartan" is now "performance," then okay...


STJ88STJ88 - 10/13/2007 1:37:59 PM
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You don't have to buy the S5 to have the performance of a BMW 335 just buy the G37.

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DaHarderDaHarder - 10/13/2007 2:21:56 PM
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Damned Straight!


henbmwhenbmw - 10/13/2007 4:48:38 PM
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If only that were true...


dlindlin - 10/13/2007 2:10:42 PM
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After you throw in premium, sport, and auto trans, bimmer will definitely be over 50K. However the good thing is that BMW let's you tailor it to specificneed.

I'll choose 335 or G37 over S5 because:

+ A good 6 cylinder sounds more eager than lazy V8. And it helps weight distribution as well.

+ I don't need to be stuck w/ AWD, coz I enjoy that "sliding" rear tire of RWD at cornering. If I chose AWD, I'll go for INFINITI, coz the torque can be sent to rear 100%. There's rumor AWD will be offered on G37, we'll see.

+ S5 keeps reminding me of 1st generation CLK. Side panel line continues all the way from rear to corner of headlight, and that makes it very slab-like. On BMW and INFINITI, this line merges w/ front wheel arch and allows headlight to gain its own identity as well as bolder play of surface/light/shadow.

No argument that AUDI "should" be slightly quicker and has great interior. The fabrication quality is very precise, which kinda reminds me of Lexus. Same thing cannot be said for BMW, Merc, or INFINITI.

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DaHarderDaHarder - 10/13/2007 2:17:57 PM
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Why even compare the two?

The S5 is clearly more of an elegant grand tourer with classic lines and a more mature ambiance, whereas the 3-series is a (performance-biased) sports sedan/coupe geared much more towards the 'trendy' set.

If the Audi is going to be cross-shopped with any vehicle, I think that it will be Mercedes CLK-series, not some compact German 2-door.

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bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 10/13/2007 4:07:19 PM
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oh please, the 335i is not a performance biased anything it replaces the 330i, in america as the top model in the 3 series lineup....the performance focused model is the M3, and i would hardly call a coupe based on an entry level sedan a grand tourer, it is no xk, 6, cl, db9, or anything like the grand tourers, it just simply isnt as good as the 335i, maybe a better comparison should be between the clk, it has the power the speed, just not the handling, and excitement....they are around the same price as well with the clk im assuming being slightly more expensive and faster in a straight line. but they are both v8 coupes. but ill admit the S5 is one of the best looking cars out there, especially for an AUDI, if nothing else it will sell on looks, and road feel alone. but its just not a bmw, the best balance of luxury/performance


M53RM53R - 10/13/2007 4:59:26 PMView My AgentSpace
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NEWS FLASH: The S5 is basically an S4 coupe.


M53RM53R - 10/13/2007 4:59:29 PMView My AgentSpace
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NEWS FLASH: The S5 is basically an S4 coupe.


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 10/13/2007 9:23:53 PM
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the fact that this guy that knows nothing about cars proves my point about how neither does alot of posters......"
If the Audi is going to be cross-shopped with any vehicle, I think that it will be Mercedes CLK-series, not some compact German 2-door.

uhm....the clk is german and it is also a compact 2 door, it is a c class coupe...that is it. talk about knowing cars.




S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/14/2007 12:16:26 AMView My AgentSpace
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"oh please, the 335i is not a performance biased anything it replaces the 330i, in america as the top model in the 3 series lineup....the performance focused model is the M3..."

The 335i has better steering than the M3. They're both superb- but I can understand buying the 335i over it. The S5 is certainly more of a luxury car than either.

And M53R, the S4 is a grand tourer. Take it from me.


DaHarderDaHarder - 10/14/2007 12:40:34 AM
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"oh please, the 335i is not a performance biased anything"

Anyone 'alleged' BMW driver who would even type such tripe has zero credibility as far as I'm concerned.

ZERO!


M53RM53R - 10/14/2007 6:53:49 AMView My AgentSpace
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But the S4 is an A4 with a V8 and a bodykit.


bmwdrvrbmwdrvr - 10/14/2007 12:27:01 PM
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more excuses from the audi people now all of sudden the s4/s5 is more a grand tourer, before the rs4 got here, the s4 was being compared to the m3, now all of a sudden the s4, is a luxury grand tourer. it is nothing more than what it has always been entry level sedan in audis lineup with a v8, a body kit, and some detailing. is the cts-v also a grand tourer, or the c63, was the c43 a grand tourer, what about the 300c,?? and if so what are the cars currently called grand tourers, like the xk, 6 series, cl,sl, etc. (nothing at all about cars) and anyone that doesn't know that the 335i replaces the 330i, in the lineup...AGAIN the non-performance model in the 3 series lineup knows nothing about cars. at all. it is common knowledge, that ANY car in this segment has some performance credentials, hence luxury/performance sedans, but that doesnt make the 335i the performance focused model...thats the m3.. or for that matter that a clk is german, and a compact coupe. more excuses from the audi people that know nothing about cars....


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/15/2007 6:07:33 PMView My AgentSpace
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"more excuses from the audi people now all of sudden the s4/s5 is more a grand tourer"

When did we say it wasn't? I've always known it's no M3-killer. I didn't buy one for it to be. I bought it because I love it. It's NOT a sports car, although I'd like to have one some day (a real one, not a BMW).


kart1kart1 - 10/13/2007 2:40:26 PM
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That is what I have been saying, and what I said in the last article. The 3.2 unit is underpowered Audi get a new V6, throw in a turbo. People can argue that the these cars are intended for different people, but in the end it all comes down to power. Stop building new 1.8s, build an engine that competes with BMW, Lexus, Cadillac, and Infiniti.

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AUTO_UNIONAUTO_UNION - 10/13/2007 2:42:22 PM
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Advantages/Disadvantages

Performance:
S5=335i

Interior:
S5>335i

Price:
335i>S5

Hard to decide. If you want to have really great interior and you are prepaired to sacrifice those extra K-s buy S5. If you don't want to spend those extra few K-s by any means and you want more of "sporty" feel get the 335i.

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henbmwhenbmw - 10/13/2007 4:51:51 PM
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A bit of oversimplification, don't you think?


EnvyofyouRS5EnvyofyouRS5 - 10/13/2007 2:52:20 PM
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The answer to the question is simple 009, The audi has the better exterior design, The headlights and body lines outwrigh any reason to buy a 335-
If your interest is in getting the better designed more modern look.
As for a difintive auto review it would be the same, anyone who wants refinement and is looking to feel more in touch with a sleek more luxurious-grabbing cabin would position the s5 over the 335.
The bmw cabin is not as modern and up to date as the s5, it is subtle compared with the s5, and it clearly shows.
Anyone who is going for the audi is clearly looking past just performance numbers, They are looking for something that stands out from the rest of the crowd. Especially something that doesnt have to be boasted about when standing next to a 335, It just speaks for itself.

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theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 10/13/2007 3:06:33 PM
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"It is better to look good than to fell good." -Fernando Lamas (AKA Billy Crystal)


EnvyofyouRS5EnvyofyouRS5 - 10/13/2007 2:53:12 PM
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ignore outwrigh


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RupertRupert - 10/13/2007 3:20:09 PMView My AgentSpace
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I'd have the 335i...it is cheaper, and also a lot cheaper to run (lower CO2 hence lower tax) plus way better fuel economy.
The S5 looks better and has a better interior, but when it comes down to it, I don't want to pay 400 pounds a year in tax.
If I was to get an A5, I would have the 3.0 tdi, which is quicker to 60 than the 335d despite a 50 horsepower deficit. 0-60 in 5.7 seconds plus 34 US mpg (roughly)? It's great.
And the 3.0 tdi is 3000 pounds cheaper to buy than the 335d which more than makes up for the slight (2 mpg) fuel economy penalty.

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enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 10/13/2007 4:30:53 PM
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the S5 is absolutely gorgeous inside and out. the interior in particular bests the 335i. as a grand tourer it's a no brainer, but...

as is also typical of audi, it doesn't seem to have quite the same sharpness in terms of handling (my top priority) and it's a little softer in ride. and shockingly, the 335i is actually a relative value.

so i'd take the 335i over the S5.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/14/2007 12:21:51 AMView My AgentSpace
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Very nice. You back up your opinion with reasoning, unlike some people.


IamEvilHomerIamEvilHomer - 10/15/2007 3:19:45 PM
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even though i don't agree i agree wioth the last comment


M53RM53R - 10/13/2007 5:06:50 PMView My AgentSpace
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I would also take the 335i for the following reasons:

-The I6 turbo engine is extremely easy to tune, bye bye S5 in speed and handling.

-With the aero-kit on the 335i, it looks better than the S5.

-Interior looks more engaging and sporty.

-Cheaper?

-More fuel efficient.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/14/2007 12:20:49 AMView My AgentSpace
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You have not driven the S5, though... neither have I, but I'm just pointing that out.

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qballqball - 10/14/2007 8:44:24 AM
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I just spent a day in the S5 in the canyons of Malibu. I can tell you, it's better than the RS4 in terms of handling, balance and with the higher torque, it has ridiculous amounts of power in all gears. I can't wait for mine to arrive.

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TheSailorTheSailor - 10/14/2007 4:09:36 PMView My AgentSpace
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Sure you did... And I just went to the moon and back yesterday!

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theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 10/13/2007 6:12:22 PM
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OK,
Went on each manufactures website and built similar cars, tried to equip them as close as possible;

Audi S5
MSRP: $50500.00

Individual options:
5,440.00
Audi navigation system plus with six disc CD changer* 2,390.00
Bang & Olufsen premium sound system 850.00
Technology package 1,700.00
Vavona Assam Gray wood inlays 500.00

MSRP: 55,940.00

BMW 335IX coupe

Packages/Options:
Sport Package $400
Premium Package $2,550
Cold Weather Package $600
Comfort Access $500
BMW Navigation System w/iDrive $2,100

$42,600
Options and accessories
$6,150
Destination charge
$775
Total price as built*
$49,525

Sorry about the cut/paste inconsistencies.

BMW has a price advantage of $6415.00. If you don't need the four wheel drive you save another $1800.00 for total of $8215.00

As far as performance goes, Just watch a 5th Gear video of the 335 beating the S5 around the track by .6 seconds.

Let the criticism begin.



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theoptimisticpessimisttheoptimisticpessimist - 10/13/2007 6:15:38 PM
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Me I take the BMW, and use the money buying the 335I convert. Yes I know it's slower but hey I'm a rag top, errr, folding hard top kinda guy.


LarryLarry - 10/13/2007 8:37:58 PM
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Audi does not have a twin-turbo six, audi uses a V-8, what is amazing is that a 300 bhp BMW matches the 350 bhp Audi, also when you compare the 5 series 550i vs. 535i the V-8 is just barely faster.

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SSP350SSP350 - 10/13/2007 8:41:51 PM
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The performance of both vehicles is too ambiguous to say which is better. All I know, is that, the Audi S5 looks much sexier in person and the interior just kills the 3er. Put both of the models side by side and the Audi just stands out more and its prettier to look at, too. S5 all day for me.

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DaHarderDaHarder - 10/14/2007 12:49:18 AM
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Issues, I tell Ya'

Serious Issues with this one... Oi Vey!

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RupertRupert - 10/14/2007 8:39:57 AMView My AgentSpace
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I think your spelling means you remove yourself from the "well educated" category.

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DaHarderDaHarder - 10/14/2007 4:57:24 PM
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It was done that way intentionally... Dip!

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RupertRupert - 10/14/2007 5:35:44 PMView My AgentSpace
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Not you daharder, I meant amazinretard here.

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mini22mini22 - 10/13/2007 11:12:31 PM
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amazinbimmer-You really have blinders on I guess. It has just been broken out above that fully loaded the S5 is about 6 grand more than a 335I. It is true that in one track test (5th gear)the BMW beat the Audi by .6 seconds. When your this close in price it really gets down to personal taste. Because 95% of all drivers will not take a BMW or Audi near a race track the .6 seconds is totally meaningless.In addition if BMW did not have Mini it's sales numbers would not perhaps be as good.As for Audi engineering I believe currently that BMW has nothing in its current inventory to match an R8. I think both cars have nice exterior styling but the Audi wins hands down on interior styling. I drive a Mini and think it's a good car. However I would not sell Audi short when they come out with its Mini competator.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/14/2007 12:19:25 AMView My AgentSpace
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Thanks for the effort, but don't even try. "Helping" amazinBimmer with his issues if futile.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/14/2007 12:18:19 AMView My AgentSpace
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I am sick of articles like these. We could argue for weeks on end, and never reach a conclusion.

The reason? THERE ISN'T ONE. 001, stop trying to stir up flame wars. It's getting old. Some people will choose the 335xi, some people will choose the S5. For different reasons! I want both.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/14/2007 12:22:47 AMView My AgentSpace
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Well, actually, let me put it this way: I'd take the S5 over the 335xi, but I'd take the M3 over the S5. And probably the RS4/RS5 over the M3. So it just goes on like that- maybe I'll like the M3 CSL next...


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/14/2007 3:47:36 PMView My AgentSpace
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People just love de-boosting every single one of my posts, don't they?

I am entitled to my opinion. And in fact, some of the things I say are facts. Such as, the S5 is faster. Such as, the S5 is more exclusive. Such as, the S5 is more luxurious.


GermanNutGermanNut - 10/14/2007 4:10:54 AM
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First of all, who would buy the less exclusive, cheaper, not as refined BMW 335i over the Audi S5.

I could see cheaper BMW owners looking for a ride that could fit their budget when compared to the more expensive Audi S5 which they probably couldn't afford.

Secondly, the 335i only wins in performance. In street presence, the S5 blows the 335i away. The 335i blends in with everything else and has zero curb appeal.

Meanwhile the Audi S5 causes the heads of BMW 3-series owners to turn wildly as they wonder what that new slick looking Audi is.

The interior of the BMW uses cheaper materials, has poorer ergonomics and is not finished nearly as well.

I guess if you like zero curbside appeal get the BMW.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/14/2007 1:00:08 PMView My AgentSpace
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"Secondly, the 335i only wins in performance."

Actually, we don't even know THIS for sure. The 335xi and S5 have yet to be compared. The 335i is obviously a better handler than the S5, but that's not a fair comparison; the S5 is quicker than both.


Sunshine1810Sunshine1810 - 10/14/2007 4:11:42 AM
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As an owner of a 335xi sedan, I looked at the S4 and although the S4 was fantastic, the BMW drove better. Audi should have priced the S5 a few thousand dollars less and gave it more power in order for it to compete with the mighty BMW better. I have never driven the A5/S5 but I think the Audi is the better car overall over the BMW, but the BMW will probably drive better every time. If you want the elegance, exclusivity, and speed get the Audi, if you want raw performance with luxury, great handling and pure fun, then get the BMW.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 10/14/2007 3:52:12 PMView My AgentSpace
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