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Will The LS600h Really Be The Ultimate Lexus?
When the 2008 LS 600h L hybrid luxury sedan launches this summer it will provide the highest level of performance and technology, and the truest expression of luxury of any Lexus ever created. The hybrid model elevates the LS to a new level, expanding Lexus and its presence among the ever more discriminating customer.

"The LS 600h L will stand as the flagship for the Lexus brand by providing the highest level of technical advancements, ride comfort, safety and luxury of any vehicle in our lineup," said Jim Farley, Lexus group vice president and general manager. "Its development process mixed the old and the new. The old, through a Lexus-established build process that achieves an extraordinary fit and finish only attainable by our master craftsmen, and the new with cutting-edge engineering innovations. Through this combination the LS 600h L raises our own quality expectations and may rank among the most technologically advanced automobiles in the industry."

Lexus Hybrid Drive
The all-new LS 600h L will be powered by the ultra-quiet Lexus Hybrid Drive system, the automotive industry's most advanced gas-electric hybrid system developed to date that features the world's first full V8, all-wheel-drive (AWD) hybrid drivetrain. The system combines a new 5.0-liter V8 gasoline engine with two powerful electric motors and a newly designed large-capacity battery pack that is lighter and extremely quiet. Together, this advanced combination provides the LS 600h L with an unmatched balance of environmental efficiency and performance.

The LS 600h L's Lexus Hybrid Drive system provides power and performance on par with competitors normally aspirated 12-cylinder powerplants. The hybrid powertrain generates a peak combined output rating of 438 horsepower and can effortlessly accelerate the LS 600h L from zero-to-60 mph in just 5.5 seconds. Mid-range acceleration is even more impressive. The system's electric motor is capable of delivering maximum torque, on demand, and is most beneficial during passing maneuvers. Finally, exhilarating torque is in abundance at higher speeds as the LS 600h L rapidly accelerates from 50-70 mph in a rapid 3.5 seconds.

The innovative V8 features an electric-motor driven Variable Valve Timing with intelligence and Electrically controlled intake cam (VVT-iE). This combination of VVT-i with electric-motor driven intake and a hydraulically controlled two-way exhaust system achieves superior engine-startup operation and high-output performance. A newly developed Hydrocarbon Adsorber and Catalyst (HCAC) system is linked to the two-way exhaust to help prevent hydrocarbons contained in the exhaust from being released into the atmosphere during cold start up when the catalysts are not up to temperature.

The LS 600h L's high-output performance is matched with a preliminary MY08 EPA-estimated miles-per-gallon fuel efficiency rating of 20 in the city, and 22 on the highway. Its combined fuel economy rating of 21 mpg is equal to or better than the combined fuel-economy ratings of many V6 all-wheel-drive mid-sized luxury sedans.

The LS hybrid is expected to carry a Super Ultra Low Emission Vehicle (SULEV) rating. A SULEV rating means the LS 600h L has nearly 70 percent cleaner smog forming emissions than vehicles with a conventional internal combustion engine and cleaner than the ambient air in some major cities.

An added benefit to Lexus Hybrid Drive is the significant reduction in noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) it delivers to the LS 600h L. The new V8 is tuned to reduce vibration and sound by adding additional sound insulating materials around the cylinder head covers. Additional NVH reduction is achieved by reducing damper pulley tensions and perfecting engine mount sizes and locations through repeated testing by Lexus engineers. The NVH levels in the LS 600h L are approximately half those found in other luxury cars, making it one of the quietest automobiles ever built.

"Full Hybrid" Powertrain
The LS 600h L is defined as a "full hybrid," capable of operating in electric-only mode or with a combination of the gas engine and electric motor. In contrast, other hybrid technologies require constant gas operation and are not capable of running only on electric power alone. Lexus hybrid technology allows electric-mode-only operation at low speeds or stop-and-go driving conditions, reducing fuel consumption and noise.

The hybrid system in the LS 600h L uses a 288-volt DC Nickel Metal Hydride (Ni-MH) compact battery pack installed behind the rear seat. The trunk also contains a 12-volt auxiliary battery that powers the audio, navigation, and other systems. The battery's power is directed through a "boost converter" that efficiently raises voltage to a maximum 650V DC. An inverter changes this to AC, providing it elevated power to a 165-kW electric motor that turns at a rate of as much as 10,240 rpm. Lexus engineers devised a higher output inverter that both increases output by 10 percent and makes it compact in size and weight for easy mounting in the engine compartment.

The LS 600h L's powertrain uses two motor generators: MG1 and MG2. Each performs specific functions and can operate as either a motor or a generator, although MG1 is used as a starter motor and provides no motive force. The engine-driven generator, MG1, can charge the battery pack or provide additional power to the drive motor, MG2, as needed.

Full-Time All-Wheel Drive
The vast power of the LS 600h L is distributed by a newly developed full-time AWD system that delivers superior handling and traction control. This state-of-the-art system adapts to almost any road surface to help provide excellent vehicle stability during acceleration, high-speed driving and cornering while also delivering the natural handling feel of a rear-wheel-drive vehicle.

The outstanding performance of the AWD system is accomplished through a new transfer case that is ultra quiet, compact and equipped with a unique Torsen® limited-slip differential (LSD) that is 30 percent lighter in size and weight than previous Torsen® systems. To maximize the AWD system's performance, the LSD features a rear biased torque distribution of 40:60 under normal straight-line driving. The LSD automatically and continually adjusts power distribution between the front and rear wheels according to changing speed and road conditions.

The micron-polished finish of the gears in the transfer case renders remarkably low noise levels. Placement of the LSD inside the transfer case further reduces noise and helps eliminate the raised-floor tunnel, providing enhanced interior comfort.

Extraordinary Hybrid Transmission
The LS 600h L features a dual-stage electronically controlled continuously variable transmission. The combination of a V8 5.0-liter AWD system and hybrid transmission results in impressive power and seamless acceleration.

The dual-stage electronically controlled continuously variable transmission includes eight-speed sequential braking. The sequential braking mode is activated when the shift lever is in the "S" mode, allowing eight different stages of response. When up-shifting, engine speed is controlled by the selected range, offering an exhilarating boost in acceleration during each of the eight shift stages. When downshifting, brake-force increases allowing for an equally exciting deceleration.

Power is controlled by a three-mode hybrid switch to allow the driver the most effective use of torque output. The driver can select "hybrid" (normal), "power," or "snow" options. The "hybrid" mode provides the smoothest operation and is ideal for city or suburban driving; "power" sharpens accelerator pedal response and "snow" mode softens accelerator pedal response, making it easier to accelerate on slippery road surfaces.

For the ultimate in quiet driving and low emissions the LS 600h L features an EV drive mode. By pushing an EV switch, power reverts to full electric mode for short-distance, slow driving situations such as residential areas or parking garages.

Optimum Fuel Saving Technology
The LS 600h L is equipped with a power-steering system and air-conditioning compressor that are electrically powered to reduce parasitic losses to the engine, thereby helping improve fuel consumption. This is necessary because, as a fuel-saving benefit of the hybrid system, the gas engine often shuts down, particularly when the vehicle is stopped or driven slowly in traffic. Additionally, demand on the air conditioner is reduced through the use of ultraviolet and infrared ray-reducing tinted glass on all windows.

A regenerative braking system further boosts efficiency. When the vehicle is coasting or the brakes are applied, the electric motors function as generators, capturing kinetic energy that would normally be lost as heat through the brakes and transforming it into useable electricity to recharge the batteries.

Responsive Handling
The powerful acceleration of the LS 600h L is matched by responsive handling that includes a class-leading turning radius while maintaining the ultra-comfortable ride that has become synonymous with all Lexus vehicles. Lexus engineers developed multi-link front- and rear-suspension systems to achieve outstanding adaptability to unevenness in road surfaces, including a new multi-link front suspension exclusive to the LS 600h L. This new suspension helps overcome under-steering and drifting situations common when driving an AWD vehicle at high speeds. A newly developed front suspension and an optional active stabilizer help maintain exceptional vehicle control and ride comfort during high-speed lane changes or driving on winding roads.

External cylinder-restriction air springs smoothly absorb shock, achieving ride comfort without roll sensation or vibration due to road conditions. A standard air suspension control system helps maintain superb vehicle posture and stable driving performance with minimal pitching and rolling.

The LS 600h L is equipped with large front- and rear-ventilated disc brakes and standard 19-inch, seven-spoke aluminum alloy wheels with all-season tires. These special wheels receive extensive buffing, and their shape is meticulously analyzed to create a form with shade depths that shift when the vehicle is in motion.

The LS 600h L is controlled by Electronic Power Steering (EPS), which delivers a smooth steering feel that supports the multilink suspension and large-diameter tires. The EPS motor creates a steering impression that responds to the driver's touch and provides a responsive feel when cornering.

Variable Gear Ratio Steering (VGRS) is integrated into the steering-gear housing to optimize the steering gear ratio according to vehicle speed, enhancing responsiveness and driver control. VGRS also partners with the Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) system, making minor adjustments to the front-wheel angle to help provide improved stability in challenging road conditions.

Elegant Styling and Appointments
Over the last three years, Lexus has developed its L-finesse styling philosophy. This new design language rests upon the inherent contrast between simplicity and elegance, and the beauty of achieving a balance between the two. Like the LS 460, GS, IS and ES, the all-new LS 600h L flagship adopts this philosophy, revealing a family resemblance in the new Lexus sedans – one that conveys elegance, refinement and a strong emotional appeal.

With the new LS 600h L, designers have achieved a new level of meticulous detail, polished excellence and engaging comfort that is unique to Lexus. Styled at the Global Design Center in Tokyo, the LS 600h L uses complex lines and surfaces throughout the body. Exterior design cues embody a dignified strength, yet a sense of emotion and aggressiveness is exemplified in the continuous flow of the hood and bumper. The LS 600h L adopts the forceful profile, portraying a sense of power combined with an image of increasing speed. Minimal body gaps, a low front grille and deep-drawn fenders all contribute to this look.

Stylish projector-type headlamps with blue crystal rings, which also include the world's first night-time LED low beams, provide excellent visibility and contribute to the LS 600h L styling theme. Blue accents on the front headlamps, taillamps, badging, engine cover and the SmartAccess key fobs and Smart Card key are unique to the LS 600h L.

Passenger space and luxury comfort were the primary focus of the interior cabin design. Genuine semi-analine leather is featured throughout the cabin, its rich appearance softened and structured with additional stitching to create a relaxed atmosphere. The leather-trim extends beyond the seats and onto the instrument panel, upper front doors and door armrests. The center console adds to passenger comfort and convenience through perfect angle placement for ease of use from either the driver or front passenger seat and is placed at the same height as the door armrests for a comfortable balance. Additional luxury touches unique to the LS 600h L includes a wood-trimmed and chrome-plated shift knob and wood-trimmed assist grip.

Advanced Safety Technologies
Cutting-edge active and passive safety technologies combine in the LS 600h L to create one integrated system. Active safety features include the Vehicle Dynamics Integrated Management (VDIM) stability system, which assimilates and manages the Electronically Controlled Brake (ECB) system, EPS, Vehicle Stability Control (VSC), Antilock Braking System (ABS), Electronic Brake-force Distribution (EBD) and engine torque via the electronically controlled throttle. Monitoring a variety of sensors, the system anticipates the onset of a vehicle skid or slide while cornering, and then helps correct the situation with a combination of braking, throttle and steering control in a way that is essentially transparent to the driver. The VDIM system gathers data from more sources, processed earlier and faster than in previous designs, which helps make the LS 600h L's system even more seamless and effective. VSC can also be turned off by the driver via the Trac Off button. In addition to the active safety features, the LS 600h L is standard-equipped with eight standard airbags, with a maximum of 11 airbags available through option packages.

Lexus engineers have also developed an Advanced Pre-Collision System (APCS). It is the world's first system designed to help detect pedestrians in the vehicle's path. APCS, with two small cameras mounted at the front of the car that work in conjunction with millimeter-wave radar, is sensitive enough to detect certain nonmetallic objects.

As part of APCS the LS also offers the world's first Driver Monitor System. A third camera, mounted on the steering column, monitors the orientation of the driver's face. If the camera detects that it appears the driver is not looking directly ahead for a few seconds or more, and if an obstacle is detected ahead, then it alerts the driver first with a warning chime and a flashing light. As the car gets closer to the obstacle, APCS can begin to gently apply the brakes on its own. To assist the driver in maneuvering around the obstacle, the system reprograms the steering ratio, amplifying the intensity and quickness of the steering response.

While all of this is happening, the system automatically retracts the front seatbelts and prepares the brake system to respond with full force when activated by the driver in anticipation of a possible impact.

Refined Comfort and Convenience
The LS600h L delivers nearly five inches more legroom than the LS 460. It also provides the highest level of comfort and convenience features among all LS models. Standard features include a hard disk drive (HDD) Lexus Navigation system with a backup camera and Bluetooth® technology and voice activation, and XM factory-installed satellite radio with real-time traffic displays and dynamic route guidance. For genuine theater-level entertainment, the LS 600h L features a standard 19-speaker 450-watt Mark Levinson® Reference Surround Sound audio system, raising the bar for automotive sound systems. A portion of the HDD is dedicated to storing as many as 2,000 (128-bit) digital songs. An auxiliary jack located in the front center console allows for iPod or MP3 capable digital music players.

Additional standard features include an Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS), climate-controlled front seats, heated rear seats, a heated steering wheel, power rear sunshade, one-touch open/close power trunk, power door closers, headlamp washers, SmartAccess with push-button start and card key, electronic parking brake, Intuitive Park Assist, and laminated side glass.

A list of optional conveniences includes an Advanced Parking Guidance System (APGS) to assist with parallel and back-in parking. Once the driver has correctly positioned the car and identified the desired parking spot via the navigation screen, APGS utilizes the rear back-up camera parking sonar sensors and electric power steering system to guide the car into the spot, while the driver controls speed via braking.

Special option packages offer unique features for the ultimate touch of luxury. The Premium Package includes climate comfort rear seats with a heat/cool knob, rear power seats with memory, rear power headrests, rear seat side airbags, Lexus Link and APGS. The left-side rear power seat has a built-in 28-degree angle and reclines up to 38 degrees and the rear seat moves front to back approximately three inches.

The Premium Package II includes all features in the Premium Package and a heater control panel, four-zone climate control, rear audio controls, additional wood trim, rear air purifier, rear cool box, rear headliner and side air ducts, power rear-door sunshades, and a rear seat entertainment system equipped with a power ceiling-mounted nine-inch screen for DVD viewing.

The Executive Class Seating Package II includes all features in the Premium Package II and features a power right rear seat that reclines up to 45 degrees with an upper-back recliner featuring a 17-degree angle adjustment. A multi-function massage feature includes an enhanced massage mode for the right-rear seat recliner that can be used separately or in conjunction with the seat heater and cooler. The package also includes a rear-seat wood-trimmed table and the rear-seat entertainment system features wireless headphones.

The rear climate control is upgraded with three infrared sensors located in the headliner that measure lap, upper body and seat on each side and then adjusts airflow accordingly.

An Active Power Stabilizer is also available and features 19-inch summer tires, high-friction brakes and an active-stabilizer system to help reduce body roll.

Each limited Launch Edition LS 600h L will come in a unique Truffle Mica exterior color matched to an Alabaster and Black leather interior. Additional features exclusive to the Launch Edition model will include a leather-trimmed upper and lower black monotone instrument panel, 19-inch split five-spoke aluminum wheels with a shiny chrome finish, an etched chrome-finish "Launch Edition" interior badge including the vehicle's serial number, "Launch Edition" logo floormats, and the Premium Package.

Superior Craftsmanship
Beyond the advanced technology and endless array of comfort and convenience features, at the heart of the LS 600h L is the meticulous pursuit of perfection for which Lexus has always stood. This is especially evident in the new LS build process. Through the use of a revolutionary production process, Lexus has elevated the bar on what has already been globally recognized as the best production facility in the world. A build process was developed specifically for the LS line at the award-winning assembly plant in Tahara, Japan. With remarkable levels of fit, finish, accuracy and refinement achieved through the combined skill, knowledge, and pride of Lexus master craftsmen and advanced technology, the LS 600h L exemplifies "world's best."

Premium Protection
All new Lexus vehicles come with a 48-month/50,000-mile basic limited warranty with roadside assistance for 48-months/unlimited miles. Powertrain and restraint system coverage is provided for 72 months/70,000 miles. Corrosion perforation protection is covered for 72 months, regardless of mileage. The hybrid-related components, including the HV battery, battery control module, hybrid control module and inverter with converter, are covered for eight years/100,000 miles


Will The LS600h Really Be The Ultimate Lexus?

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SupraNeverBackSupraNeverBack - 4/24/2007 1:38:43 PM
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It is, at least right now.

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mitchatlexusofmarinmitchatlexusofmarin - 4/24/2007 11:42:35 PM
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I am here in Newport Beach and drove the 600 all day. Wow!


Agent63Agent63 - 4/25/2007 11:13:16 AMView My AgentSpace
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Mitch that's great, now we all know you have a drivers license.


jon21jon21 - 4/24/2007 1:39:16 PM
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LF-A <------ :)

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GX470guyGX470guy - 4/24/2007 2:18:17 PM
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YES. And since this BEAUITFULSEXYLUXURIOUS new Lexus is the ultimate LEXUS GOD-CHARIOT, and LEXUS is the ULTIMATE LEXUS-GOD BRAND, then THE LS600HL IS THE ULTIMATE CAR!!! AHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHAHAH

Mmm... Lexus...


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Agent63Agent63 - 4/25/2007 11:12:15 AMView My AgentSpace
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Just shut up will ya? your comments are dumb and baseless information. Get a life.


MookGmbHMookGmbH - 4/24/2007 2:35:09 PMView My AgentSpace
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I plead the fifth on this one...

Go ahead fanboys do your worst!


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EnnNorakEnnNorak - 4/24/2007 2:49:43 PM
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Never! Hybrids will die out because of the high cost of replacement batteries. Clean diesels are the way to go and I hope to see some supercharged diesels on the market eventually because I don't like turbos.

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XYZZXYZZ - 4/25/2007 4:46:07 AM
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XYZZXYZZ - 4/25/2007 5:27:48 AM
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yes GO! the only ones dropping "deposits" like pesky neighbors' dogs on these sites, are the german fanboys. why do you jerks even COME here? too lonely at the mb/audi/beemer sites?



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david999david999 - 4/24/2007 4:33:13 PM
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I wish all cars were made to this standard.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 4/24/2007 5:39:22 PMView My AgentSpace
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There are others, and some of even higher standard: Audi A8, Audi R8, BMW 7 Series, BMW 6 Series, Mercedes-Benz S-Class, Mercedes-Benz CL-Class, Mercedes-Benz SL-Class...


flozel1flozel1 - 4/24/2007 5:36:27 PM
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Anyone notice the abundance of Lexus topics on Autospies these days?

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trd1trd1 - 4/24/2007 5:48:06 PM
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yes, so are the IS-F and LF-A

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WillisWillis - 4/24/2007 6:11:34 PM
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I personally think this overrated LS600h has FLOP written all over it. ;-)

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mitchatlexusofmarinmitchatlexusofmarin - 4/24/2007 11:44:27 PM
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We are sold out for 2 years- some flop.


mitchatlexusofmarinmitchatlexusofmarin - 4/25/2007 7:23:18 PM
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I don't mean me, or us- I mean that in my 3 day meeting Lexus has stated that virtually the entire 2007 production, nationwide, is spoken for by cash deposits. Our store has only sold perhaps 12.


S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 4/25/2007 10:08:47 PMView My AgentSpace
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"CASH DEPOSITS." As nice as the LS is, and as much as those people know about the LS600hL (nothing), the problem is that: they know NOTHING. Ever realized that, after driving "their" LS hybrids and learning of the specs, some of them would withdraw their deposits?


EL34EL34 - 4/24/2007 7:23:02 PM
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It will be a sad day for Lexus when the new BMW 7 Series comes out and I can't wait.

lol


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GX470guyGX470guy - 4/24/2007 10:30:43 PM
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LEXUS SPELLED BACKWARDS IS SUXEL

REARRANGE THE LETTERS AND ITS "SEXUL"

Mmm... Lexus...


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huu76huu76 - 4/24/2007 11:34:24 PM
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I keep on hearing about battery replacements. Can someone please give proof of this rather than expecting us to just "take their unbiased word for it".

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Will_Will_ - 4/24/2007 11:40:14 PM
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That is a beautiful car in the photograph. Is that the 1st edition LS600hL in "Truffle Mica" with the triple 5-spoke wheels?

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mitchatlexusofmarinmitchatlexusofmarin - 4/25/2007 1:27:27 AM
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Yes will it is. I drove it today as a matter of fact!


MunichRobMunichRob - 4/25/2007 1:19:20 AMView My AgentSpace
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It's a nice car it just doesn't blow you away.

I was at the Auto Show with my girlfriend & a few friends who like cars but are by no means hardcore enthusiasts. After going through the Mercedes & Audi booths looking at the S-Class & A8, we came to the Lexus stand & were checking out the LS where I heard considerbly less "ooohs" & "awes."

Then they saw the price tag & were blown away asking me whats so special about this Lexus. I simply replied "well, I guess it can park itself"...."Oooh, awww!"

Catch my drift? The LS needs an explanation as to why it's an amazing dream car, with the 7, S & A8, anyone can look at it & just know.


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XYZZXYZZ - 4/25/2007 6:19:38 AM
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XYZZXYZZ - 4/25/2007 6:29:46 AM
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well, one could get SCARED away by certain cars.

take a look at the s-class ad on the back cover of current Automobile magazine. what were they thinking, when they picked this photo? i've NEVER SEEN such an UGLY car photo.

the wheel houses look oversized, like those used to break up mass on slab sided suvs. this is supposed to be a svelte car? the lower body looks like an ugly suv. the headlamp housing also looks oversized and ill-proportioned. this, when many concept cars and advanced design production models are SLIMMING DOWN headlights.

the fat wheelhouse for the front looks as attractive as a bulkedup FEMALE WEIGHTLIFTER. or even, like a FAT CHICK in a tiny bikini! ugh!

i will grant, cars can look a lot better than their photos, and the s-class in the metal prob'ly doesn't look as bad. even movie stars can have a bad photo now and then.

but WHY did mb's ad agency use THIS pic for an expensive print ad? it emphasizes all the BAD details of the design. it makes you want to TURN THE OTHER WAY.

when i finally do see a new S on the street, i won't be able to help looking at these UGLY DETAILS.


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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 4/25/2007 10:15:07 PMView My AgentSpace
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Don't tell me you haven't seen one! LOL! Where do you live- Stalingrad?

Wow. That's just extremely surprising, and slightly amusing. The S-Class has been selling like hot cakes, and I see them at every corner (just about all of them are Funeral Black with black interiors). It looks SO much better in person!

Now I can see why you're so naïve about the new Merc designs... you haven't actually seen any of them. The difference between person and pictures is insurmountable; I thought it was hideous when I hadn't seen it, too. But wow. What a contrast! What's especially nice is a black S550 AMG with beige interior. I see it every day, near my building...

But especially in dark colors, the overall stateliness of the design detracts from the wheel wells. In black, dark green or dark blue, you don't even notice them- there's the chrome trim that stands out, the large light clusters, the sweeping greenhouse. It's an incredibly elegant design. Wait until you see one.



TalliTalli - 4/25/2007 6:57:32 AM
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That picture is B-E-A-U-T-I-F-U-L.

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DessyDessy - 4/25/2007 7:44:21 AM
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Already posted this on another LS600h topic, but what the hey!
I have read many of the comments on here for quite a while, and have come to the conclusion that there really is quite a lot of shit to wade through, occasionally interspersed with valid, informed opinions.
I work for lexus and at the end of the day, throughout all of these comments not one of you car enthusiasts seems to be grasping the real point of the 600h, the point with which I will be selling these cars on throughout the rest of the next few years.
Lexus makes performance hybrids to try and find a balance between having a lot of performance, size, luxury but also to create much less of an environmental impact. Therefore as with many people buying cars around the £100,000 mark, MPG is of no importance, but if a rich person wants to drive around in the lap of luxury and have power underfoot when needed, the lS600h will be absolutely perfect as it gives out considerably less CO2 than any other competitor.
The Merc S600 is 340g/km whereas the 600h is 219g/km. This means that over 100km the LS will emit over 1.2 tonnes less C02 than the Merc. Therefore it allows environmentally conscious rich people to drive a luxury car which they are used to, but make much less of a carbon footprint. This is why on the UK's preorder list are such people as Richard Branson, Head of Sainsbury's supermarket, Head of Tesco, Bob Gelsof etc. All are people who want luxury transportation but also want to show they are trying to be as responsible towards the environemtn as this will allow.
That is the USP of the LS600h, not that its as fast as an S600, because at the moment environment is a far larger issue than speed.


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TruenoAE86TruenoAE86 - 4/25/2007 7:54:27 PM
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Those rich folks who ordered the 600h are hypocritically "green". Hybrid or not, it's still a 5000+ lbs vehicle with a 5.0 V8. The hybrid name basically gives them a politically correct "green" tag to produce more CO2 than average joes.

Speaking of Richard Branson, his airline is one of the mass producers of CO2. If he's sincerely concerned about the environment, why not close down the airline, and donates all his money to environmental research.



S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 4/25/2007 10:22:37 PMView My AgentSpace
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Thank you, Trueno. You beat me to it.

As many Lexus press releases as you probably read every day, and as hard as you are trying to sell the car-- this is not a "green" hybrid, Dessy, by any stretch of the imagination. It looks "environmentally responsible" next to the more nimble V12-powered competitors... but that's about it. What I still find appaling is the price difference.

Think about it this way:

The Audi A8 4.2 TDI costs little more than the A8 4.2 petrol. The same is true for 740d, S420 CDI, etc... but I digress. A8 TDI is what, about £2K more than the gas version? And not only is it just as fast and comfortable as the normal A8, but gets 30-35mpg and goes 500-600mi on a single tank of diesel. Audi is using their "green" technology- but they do not charge prestige pricing for the diesel.

On the other hand, the LSh is unjustifiably expensive. It is, like the A8 TDI vs. petrol, just as fast and comfortable as the normal LS. The difference? It's £20K/$35K more. They are, as Audi/BMW/M-B are doing, putting a more environmentally friendly motor into their "green" variant of their largest sedan. But, it doesn't get significantly better mileage than the LS460, it doesn't go any faster, the trunk is half as big, the only features it has that the normal LS doesn't are a leather dash, LEDs and the hybrid badge, and it's still thousands upon thousands more. Go figure.

Have fun trying to sell this car to "normal" rich people! And have fun listing those who have bought this car, this car that isn't on sale yet!



enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 4/25/2007 10:03:05 AM
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to answer the question in the headline: no.

it's heavier, slower, no more efficient and way more expensive that the LS460. the LS460 remains the real flagship.


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enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 4/25/2007 10:05:17 AM
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guys:
this is a PRESS RELEASE from lexus. not a review or an independent article.


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enthusiastx11enthusiastx11 - 4/25/2007 10:06:44 AM
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gorgeous color though. but i'm sure you'll be able to get in on the 460 in a few months.

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DessyDessy - 4/25/2007 10:53:13 AM
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Fabian555,
You obviously didn't read what I wrote. I said the ls600h is more environmentally responsible. In no way at all is it environmentally friendly. What car is? The idea, if you would just take the time to think about it, is that some people still want very luxurious, very fast large saloons to ride around in, yes? Even if they are under pressure from society, their multinational company and its set of ethics or even friends and family, as a multi-millionaire you still want to be contained in the kind of automobile you have become accustomed to. Therefore the only way to achieve this, and to be more environmentally responsible, is to buy the LS600h.
Please read what i wrote and tell me different.


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M53RM53R - 4/25/2007 12:26:42 PMView My AgentSpace
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Hm.... it looks good in the picture but its a car for enviromental posers who are just so hypocritical that they buy a slower, heavier, unpractical and more expensive car just for a 2mpg increase.... I would call that idiotic. LS460 is better.

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EliteRangerEliteRanger - 4/25/2007 2:26:56 PM
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I'm in no argument about a Lexus article for once, and it feels good! It is indeed the best Lexus...but that's it...not best luxury saloon Lexus fanboys before you get all excited, just best Lexus, thus meaning it's still only a Lexus. Shame.

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huu76huu76 - 4/25/2007 6:57:42 PM
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Fabian,
The LS600hL is better for the environment because it's not a V12. That's why.


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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 4/25/2007 10:26:42 PMView My AgentSpace
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Honestly, I don't think it's competing for the same buyer. The S600, being $35K more, is in a different league.

But, assuming the same people who look at this also look at the W12, 760 and S600, then there are two advantages that the Germans have: better speed than their eight-cylinder counterparts, and exclusive features. Neither of which the LSh has. Need I explain? Because I really don't want to step in that right now.



MunichRobMunichRob - 4/25/2007 10:57:57 PMView My AgentSpace
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No explanation needed...The extra exclusivity that comes with the W12, 760 and S600 explain it all. However I’d take an S8 over the W-12 & an S65AMG over the S600.

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S4cabriofoxoneS4cabriofoxone - 4/26/2007 9:09:03 AMView My AgentSpace
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And a B7 over a 760? I catch your drift.


huu76huu76 - 4/26/2007 10:58:56 AM
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The LS600hL can run with no gas, let's see the Germans do that.
How fast is a V12 when there's no gas in the tank?

Hybrid is exclusive. Any moron can just add more cylinders. If I'm not mistaken, the VW W8 and W12 are multiple 4-cylinder engines welded together?

If Lexus had taken the easy route and put out a V12, you'd all be complaining that it wasn't German enough.

But anyhow, SyndergyDrive3 will be out late next year, so don't be all upset when the LS600hL suddenly looses 300+ lbs and chops a second off its run time, all the while improving its fuel economy. The Germans might have to make a 16cylinder to compete.


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EliteRangerEliteRanger - 4/26/2007 12:17:22 PM
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Most people realise that their car needs filling up, or does the apparently intelligent Lexus buyer just not realise that?

Also, the reserve tanks hold so much, there's no reason why you can't find somewhere to fill up, with like the 100 miles you get.


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silent_powersilent_power - 4/26/2007 12:50:33 PM
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Fabian555 wrote
"The LS600h is still a gas guzzler once the hybrid engine is cut out."

Give me a break Fabian555! This is evedence that you DON' T HAVE A CLUE about Toyota/Lexus hybrids! If you cut off the electric motor, then the car won' t move at all...

It is understandable that you blind Toy/Lex haters, always tend to jump to untrue conclusions... But, it gets so boring...


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bevisroybevisroy - 4/26/2007 6:35:08 PM
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Lexus ALWAYS understates their 0 - 60 times by at least .5 seconds. Here are the results of the 5 Top Luxury Cars in this test which was reported in the January Issue of Car and Driver. Please note these tests were all done on the same day at about the same time and at the same altitude. The results reflect the average of 3 runs and all cars are the 2007 vintage.

Mercedes S550 5.6, 0 - 60 quarter mile in 14.1 (Benz specs show 5.4)
BMW 750iL 5.7, 0 - 60 quarter mile in 14.2
Jag XJ Super 6.0 0 - 60 quarter mile 14.5
Lexus LS460L 6.2 0 - 60 quarter mile 14.6
Audi A8 6.8 0 - 60 quarter mile 15.2

Note that Lexus, as usual, is more than the 5.4 the manufacturer CLAIMS to get by .8 seconds.

Also note the LS430 (prior model the LS460 replaced) was rated at 295 HP and was actually 278 when Lexus corrected their rating. And there were no refunds or apologies from the so-called "quality" car company. ABC - Always Be Careful what you buy from the Lexus people.....


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huu76huu76 - 4/26/2007 7:36:25 PM
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Eliteranger,
You never know, but it's nice to have. Just like people who think it's nice to know there's a V12 in the car incase 4 or 5 pistons go shooting through the hood.

Check out the new article I'm posting from C&D. Sucks to be wrong. Incase you can't wait.
http://www.caranddriver.com/shortroadtests/12881/2008-lexus-ls600hl.html


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bevisroybevisroy - 4/27/2007 10:42:54 AM
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Hmmmmmm The higher horsepowered LS600HL gets 5.4 0 - 60. That's what the LS460L was SUPPOSED to get. Well I guess that makes my statement right-on. Sucks to be wrong.....

C/D TEST RESULTS:
Zero to 60 mph: 5.4 sec
Zero to 100 mph: 12.4 sec
Zero to 110 mph: 14.8 sec
Street start, 5–60 mph: 5.7 sec
Standing ¼-mile: 13.8 sec @ 106 mph
Top speed (governor limited): 130 mph
Braking, 70–0 mph: 171 ft
Roadholding, 200-ft-dia skidpad*: 0.75 g



huu76huu76 - 4/27/2007 2:21:41 PM
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What are you talking about?

The LS600hL has been proven to be faster and almost as fuel efficient as the LS460L. It's nearly as fast as the GS450h.

C/D and Motortrend have shown the LS600 has the goods.

btw, twinturbo V12 S600 is listed as 4.5sec, Autoweek could onl get 5 sec from it.
http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070302/FREE/70223004&Profile=1041

Who's overstating now?


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bevisroybevisroy - 4/27/2007 3:19:23 PM
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My point with all of this is that Lexus misleads and is disingenuous at best. I believe to truly have a fair comparison of performance that you need to test all cars at the same time in the same place. Individual numbers are/can be somewhat misleading otherwise.

Case in point: Here's Car and Drivers performance figures on the S600


If you want to know what we think of the S600, read our test of the S550 (February 2006), then apply another $57,500 to the sticker and another 128 ponies to the driveshaft. In the hills, both S-classers drive alike — same moderate body roll, same understeer, same aloof and steely persona. Not hugely involving. In a straight line, though, they’re as different as Warren Harding and Warren Beatty.

The S600 blasts to 60 mph in 4.2 seconds. Know what that means? To 60 mph, this 2.5-ton Teuton is quicker than:

1. A Porsche 911 Carrera S.

2. A Chevrolet Corvette convertible.

3. A Ferrari 612 Scaglietti F1.




huu76huu76 - 4/27/2007 10:57:52 PM
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Not quite as good as the Evo MR FQ400 which is a 4-banger.

Too bad the S600 has to refuel at each redlight.

The real skill comes to getting more power without simply adding more pistons and displacement. i.e. the MB S63. Pretty soon, MB is gong to have 10.0L engines.
Look at the 2003 NSX, 4.9sec with half the cylinders and half the displacement. How about the Skyline GTR R34 Z tune which makes the run in under 4 seconds w/ 2.7L and 6 only cylinders.?


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