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Will the Lexus LF-A tear the GT2 and GT-R to shreads?

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Will the Lexus LF-A tear the GT2 and GT-R to shreads?

The king is dead, long live the king! Lexus’ long-awaited LF-A has unofficially smashed the lap record at Germany’s Nürburgring, with a time of seven minutes, 24 seconds.

That beats Porsche’s new GT2 by a second and makes the Lexus the King of the ’Ring. Company insiders have revealed that a 4.8-litre V10 – co-developed with Yamaha – powered the record-breaking test mule. It revs to 9,000rpm and pumps out 552bhp. Combined with a highly aerodynamic body, it should enable the LF-A to hit 210mph.

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Agent009 - 12/28/2007 1:43:14 PMView My AgentSpace

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dlin - 12/28/2007 9:11:29 PM

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Amazing car.

Agent 009, can you find out if next Supra benefits from LF-A in any way? A 9,000 rpm engine will be a good start.

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dlin - 12/29/2007 2:01:03 AM

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Wait a minute.

Remember my post of GT-R running 7:15 at Nurburgring? It's sourced from the same magazine AUTO EXPRESS.

Now, eventually GT-R runs officially at 7:38, so maybe we should add some 20 seconds to 7:24 and you'll get 7:44, which I think will be more likely for an NA RWD weighing probably at 3,500 lb(I guess).

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SevorbeupstryIsBack - 12/29/2007 1:42:19 PM

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exactly dlin, auto express is worthless

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pacotacolol - 12/29/2007 8:01:42 PMView My AgentSpace

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the r8 would kill both of them!!!!! lol

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CHAMATHKAR - 12/30/2007 12:50:16 PM

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Alright my money is still on the gt-r, though cos edmunds recorded a 0-60 time of 3.3 seconds and i think dlin is quite right, they probably ran on slicks....
Only time can tell...<<ALL HAIL THE JAPANESE SUPER CARS>>

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Bmw8ter - 12/28/2007 1:55:14 PM

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Pattycake Fight!!!!!

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gsh23 - 12/28/2007 1:35:52 PM

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theres no reason for a flame war. LF-A tears a new one? why not? im down for the advancement of automotive technology.

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Lexus - 12/28/2007 1:36:58 PM

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Wow this is definitely an Amazing number since this Lexus first true attempt make a Supercar. Around the famous track in 7:24s, rev to 9000rpm, Incredible.

This is truly exciting, I can't wait to see the official spec for this Lexus LF-A.

Congratulation to Lexus and their team and Yahama to.

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r15mohd - 12/28/2007 4:22:46 PM

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lol..contradicting, didnt you express the relativeness of the high rpm capability in the M3.

of course since it's a lexus...

qweasdzxc - 12/28/2007 8:42:01 PM

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It just shows fastonekiller has no idea about gearing and its impact on acceleration and cornering dynamics.

RealitySmack - 12/28/2007 9:30:46 PM

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What is so great about the BMW's high RPM range engine's or Audi's or MB's?

Seems like when they do it everybody goes googoo-gaga over it. The physics of an Engine doesn't change from manufacturer to manufacturer or country to country!

Lexus - 12/28/2007 1:39:17 PM

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In the future Lexus will probably come out with a Lighter and more Powerful version as well.

Lexus

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enthusiastx11 - 12/28/2007 1:53:49 PM

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i'm sure they'll come out with a version that will make it the best car any manufacturer ever has--or ever will--make.

r15mohd - 12/28/2007 2:47:54 PM

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i'm sorry, i am an avid Lexus enthusiast and totally disagree with that statement. furthermore, you have no proof to warrant your claim

Monk - 1/2/2008 2:13:01 PMView My AgentSpace

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you're joking lexusking...you throwing out ferrari and lamborghini?

Ironman273 - 12/28/2007 1:40:44 PM

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Where is that time for the Porsche from? Porsche even claims that their (previous) record run was 7:32, not 7:25. Even Wikipedia has the time at 7:32.

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enthusiastx11 - 12/28/2007 1:50:02 PM

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here we go again...
more superlatives about a car that hasn't been produced yet.

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BMW995 - 12/28/2007 1:50:46 PM

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This verifies what I clocked at the Nurburgring 4 1/2 months ago as I posted on this site. I'm employed as an auto engineer with a competing company and 4 of us were at the track when this Lexus/Toyota(?) was testing. As I posted in August the times we recorded the LF-A in several sectors of the track were the fastest all of us had ever witnessed. We knew it was a high-powered V10, but what really surprised us was the incredible handling in fast bends. I stated at the time it was faster than the Porsche GT3 RS, but from today's report it seems it's faster than even the Porsche GT2. I am impressed!

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EL34 - 12/28/2007 1:51:06 PM

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bulldogz - 12/28/2007 2:53:54 PM

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fortunately, you probably couldn't afford it.

oh wait, this is the internet...you could probably buy 2..for cash...without blinking.

my bad.

r15mohd - 12/28/2007 3:08:26 PM

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at first release, i to thought the celica wasn't attractive, but after the release of the TRD body accents, it has grown on me as a very sexy celica. C&D even claims so, they we skeptical of the intial design, but after hard looks Toyota started something with the elongated headlights and it just turned out to be a very very good looking vehicle that sold and performed well for its purpose.

Czelinski - 12/28/2007 1:52:34 PM

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Still not a fan of the design. However, that engine sounds quite impressive. But I think they should have tried to see what they could do all Toyota/Lexus rather then get help from outside.

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r15mohd - 12/28/2007 2:17:42 PM

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so getting expertise help from an outside company, which Lexus/Toyota has done before, is frowned upon by yourself?

i'm sorry, but that has to be one of the most bizzar thoughts of the week.

toyota/lexus is doing it rite, they are killing 2 bids with one stone. producing a supercar whilst learning the advanced aspects of headflow/porting/etc from Yamaha. they will no doubt take this as a elarning class to build on. and i'm sure Yamaha has no issues with it being that they assisted in producing the expected beast this is sought to be.

r15mohd - 12/28/2007 2:18:46 PM

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birds* learning*

1970toyotamarc - 12/29/2007 12:01:07 AM

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I believe Toyota owns part of Yamaha, thats not exactly getting help from the outside. Toyota has been working with Yamaha engines since the 2000GT.

_43LE - 12/29/2007 12:30:31 AM

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Didn't Porsche hire Toyota a while back to help them with their production methods?

ThierryHenry14 - 12/29/2007 9:50:22 AM

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a while back? yea, 20 years ago, because Toyota is famous for its efficient production process... And It helped make Porsche the worlds most profitable company.

Can't wait to see what the fanboys say about that... Germans and Japanese sleeping together...

ThierryHenry14 - 12/29/2007 4:49:38 PM

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no, but mid 80s was. It was actually in the summer of 1987 that Porsche started with Toyota. If my math serves me correctly, thats 20 years.

I believe I would have said 10 years if it was mid 90s.

4x4rules - 1/4/2008 1:43:19 PM

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Now they just have to outsource their styling, and voila a true supercar!

Lexus - 12/28/2007 2:00:04 PM

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Czelinski,

stop making execuse, the same can be said to MB AMG, BMB M, and Audi S/RS. Just admitted, if this rumor is true, the German just got their azz beat again by the Japanese. First the Nissan GT-R embrass them and now this Lexus LF-A. And don't worry the Honda NSX will soon join them, so is the Toyota Supra.

This Lexus LF-A is going to embrass all the German supercar, and make them look like a VW Bettle ;-)

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Monk - 12/28/2007 2:17:17 PMView My AgentSpace

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uh no, Lexus...
MB AMG, BMW M, and AUDI RS are part of their respective manufacturers, w/ their own hired engineers. They're not from the outside. Make Lexus get help from their own F-division.

Bill - 12/28/2007 2:22:11 PM

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*Cough, cough*

YAMAHA HELPED LEXUS

*Cough, cough...*

r15mohd - 12/28/2007 2:27:06 PM

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uhh, i see you don't know history. MB used the products of 2 former MB engineers, which was a completely sperate entity from MB. It wasn't until 1990 that AMG and MB formed and agreement where AMG was to be sold under the MB name.

r15mohd - 12/28/2007 2:33:59 PM

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it wasn't until 1999 that AMG gave MB majority share and then MB took full advantage of the resources AMG had to offer...

so much to offer with the "SEARCH" button

http://www.pistonheads.com/doc.asp?c=103&i=5667

hateslexus - 12/28/2007 5:23:19 PM

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may i just say that being the fastest doesn't necessarily mean the best. the is-f got a huge fast engine, but they never really claimed it was superior to an m3 or rs4.it is about handling, comfort, and overall aesthetic that makes it the best.

stash84 - 12/28/2007 7:34:44 PM

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first of all, this car isnt out yet. by that time the gt2/3 will be even faster..regardless, the times are impressive. the fact that lexus got help from yamaha means nothing. thats how technology advances, sharing ideas. everyone engages in it. i think it needs a little design work but overall, i like the shape. id like to test drive when it comes out. i cant afford to get it though lol

enthusiastx11 - 12/29/2007 2:34:48 AM

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"Let me just put it nicely that the German fanboys are a truly pathetic bunch of jackasses who still live to practice Nazism."

what are you talking about? so much anger from you. you're clearly just frustrated because most of your beloved lexuses are just boring re-badged camrys driven by 65 year old ladies.

enthusiastx11 - 12/29/2007 2:37:49 AM

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"right right, and by that time Lexus will stick twin turbos on this V10 and blow them out of the water again"

laughing harder than you can imagine. speculation about future versions of a car that doesn't yet exist and that lexus won't even confirm it will produce. lol.

stash84 - 12/29/2007 12:54:29 PM

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"stop being a stupid hater"

yeah..im a hater..

i hate when retarted little kids like you get on the internet and act like they can afford any of these cars

what do you drive, your dads es330? lol

DaHarder - 12/28/2007 2:06:22 PM

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Absolutely POINTLESS to even speculate at this time as NO OFFICIAL performance numbers currently exist for the LF-A.

Note: As I stated before, almost any thread topic that contains a Question Mark is little more than a Flame War Ignition Switch.

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LexSucks - 12/28/2007 3:46:09 PM

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Germans really need to worry. Just like they had to with the IS-F. Which is already a dud before it hit the showroom floor. LOL!

LexSucks - 12/28/2007 11:03:08 PM

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The only record that I see the IS-f setting is an UGLY record. That thing looks like puke. I could care less how it performs.

BMW4me4ever - 12/28/2007 2:09:20 PMView My AgentSpace

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These are unofficial results ... anyone can claim a figure as estimated, but until they can be verified then they do not exist. It " should hit 210 mph " ... What can it actually do? Until the car actually is able to provide " Official Figures " all of this info is heresay. What is the point, except to start a flame war? what a stupid article

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EL34 - 12/28/2007 2:20:29 PM

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Lexus should change the name to the GTA so it goes good with the GT2 and the GTR.

;-)

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stash84 - 12/28/2007 7:37:28 PM

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lmao

autopro - 12/29/2007 10:28:53 AMView My AgentSpace

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You should chang your name to "I don't know my butt from a hole in the ground".

EL34 - 12/28/2007 2:54:12 PM

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Enzo Ferrari was a lover, not a robot designer, and if I wanted a robot I would take the auto pilot system in the Boeing 777.

lol

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EL34 - 12/28/2007 3:24:06 PM

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Everyone knows the sexy Euro women at the auto shows are the sexiest.

Ferrari's are sexy and Lexus' look like shrimps.

:-)

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EL34 - 12/28/2007 3:41:42 PM

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flylow, I've been all over Europe.

I've been to Spain, Portugal, France, Monte Carlo and England.

I've been to Singapore and all I remember is, if you walk on any grass in public you could be arrested and cained.

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LexSucks - 12/28/2007 3:42:32 PM

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Lexus #1? what planet are you living on? I swear! Fanboys are ruining the internet.

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stash84 - 12/28/2007 7:43:12 PM

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your screen name is LEXSUCKS?
cmon..how could you hate a particular brand?

You are the true fanboy..its obvious before you start writing

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r15mohd - 12/28/2007 3:09:53 PM

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more cow bell? i don't follow...elaborate please.

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EL34 - 12/28/2007 3:24:41 PM

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This Lexus looks like a cowbell ;)

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DaHarder - 12/28/2007 6:59:57 PM

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The 'Cow Bell' is a reference to a B.O.C. skit performed by Will Farrell on SNL.

It was really hilarious...

Now: Back On Topic.

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Porschinator - 12/28/2007 3:35:22 PM

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The Lexus smashes the lap record as well as getting hit by every branch on the ugly tree. Still the Japanese auto makers are upping the ante'and only good things can come from this. Can't wait for the German and US response.

How will Tata respond??? hehe

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ThierryHenry14 - 12/29/2007 9:58:07 AM

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If its still selling for 44 years, there must be something in the design, otherwise, they would have changed it no?

1000rrRider - 12/28/2007 4:00:49 PM

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Not to take anything away form this beauty but it's not in production yet!!!!!!! Let's wait and see how the final production version performs!!!This is still a ordinary street legal production sports car and not a true race car. When it comes to true performance and racing technology Toyota has been struggling as of late like in F1.

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ThierryHenry14 - 12/29/2007 9:59:47 AM

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because spyker doesnt pretend to take on the world...

528i - 12/28/2007 4:03:46 PMView My AgentSpace

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Just like the LS600, when every toyboy talking about its going to be in the RR and the Bentley level, but lost to a regluar A8. Now they put this in the Enzo level.

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enthusiastx11 - 12/29/2007 2:43:20 AM

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please...the LS600 is an intellectual insult. a 5,000 pound "green" car that gets 14.9 mpg. saving the world one car at a time. lol.

furthermore, in multiple test against the S550, the mercedes was deemed to have a better ride than the LS600...not to mention better handling, looks, acceleration and only 2mpg less fuel economy. the LS600 is for phony politically correct people who want to APPEAR green.

see motortrend.com

Bill - 12/29/2007 6:10:59 AM

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Flylow,

How can a "limited edition" model be a sales success? Lexus produced like what, 2,000/3,000 LS600h? And all of them sold out?

Wow! I am like so impressed! NOT.

ThierryHenry14 - 12/29/2007 10:08:40 AM

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whats the GTB's Top end speed? 330? Thats the GT2's top speed. So why does it rule of the GT2, but not the 599? Lexus wants 350, but can only get about 335... The GTR does about 310, so it may be a little outclassed in terms of top speed, so thats a valid arguement.

Either way, its different target audiences...

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Lexus - 12/28/2007 4:14:07 PM

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There is Nothing wrong with having Yahama to help them built the Lexus IS-F and Lexus LF-A.

Toyota/Lexus own them don't they? Why waste time and spend more money on a technology that you already have?

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Lexus - 12/28/2007 4:15:33 PM

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That what Lexus is aiming at, the Lambo, Ferrari, and Aston Martin buyer.

Lexus

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enthusiastx11 - 12/28/2007 6:39:53 PM

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yeah...i really see ferrari, lamborghini and aston owners lining up to trade in their cars for a lexus. right.

enthusiastx11 - 12/29/2007 2:32:25 AM

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"And yes, aston, ferrari, lambo buyers will line up to buy this."

you clearly are not of nor do you understand the economic class of people who buy astons, ferraris, bentleys, etc.

those cars are bought just as much for PRESTIGE as they are for their looks and performance. there are no entry level cars, they all cost a fortune. and if you think people buying cars of this caliber want to be associated with a brand that is known for rebadged toyotas like the ES and RX, you have no clue. when people ask for the aston at a valet, EVERYONE knows what it is. not so with a lexus that could be a camry or an LF-A.

the LFA (if it ever gets built) will be bought by japanese car fans with lots of money who've outgrown their infiniti and lexuses.

Bill - 12/29/2007 6:20:18 AM

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This Flylow character sounds like an idiot. I'm sorry, but putting down Ferrari and Renault?

Ferrari and Renault both have a very successful Formula 1 history. They also have produced very innovative cars with global appeal. You can slam Renault, Citroen and Peugeot all you want, but the fact remains that the French have equally contributed a great share of innovations and technology to the automotive world - moreso than Toyota, which simply build affordable and reliable cars but never even ventured into daring designs or technology.

And WRC is not "true racing" as you defined it. WRC is about strategy, endurance and handling mainly. Speed is not really of importance. Heck, a 1950s Mercedes 190D (Diesel) won the South Africa Rally in the late 1950s beating out faster competitors. "True racing", as is generally considered by the purists, pertains to Formula 1, Le Mans, Mille Miglia, Carrera Panamericana etc.

Toyota hasn't done well in any of these. They have not even participated in them with the exception of F1 and Le Mans. Lexus? What motorsport heritage does Lexus have? None.

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ThierryHenry14 - 12/29/2007 10:12:15 AM

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I don't even want to get into arguements with people who knows nothing about motorsports...

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ThierryHenry14 - 12/31/2007 12:30:12 PM

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haha... POrsche in F1? they won their titles back in the 80s and left, but the key is, they WON titles...

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Lexus - 12/28/2007 4:49:44 PM

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How long has Honda and Toyota/Lexus been racing in Le mans or F1 compare to the German brand?

Don't worry they will catch up with the European in Le Mans or F1 soon. You cannot be #1 forever. No knew that Buggati Veyron was going to outgun and blow every supercars in Market before it came out.

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Bill - 12/29/2007 6:24:55 AM

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Flylow, you're a moron.

What's wrong with BMW or Mercedes not having a "100% real F1 team"? Such stupid comments made by you really suggest that you're either:

A) Retarded
B) Immature
C) Fanboy
D) ALL OF THE ABOVE

Grow up and come back when you have intelligent things to say.

The funny thing is, both BMW and Mercedes have a successful partnership with their respective partners. The same can't be said for the "100% pure Toyota team", which by the way acted arrogant and snobby refusing to listen to driver input from Ralf Schumacher for example, who was known to complain about his Toyota F1 car stating that it was inferior to the competition.

ThierryHenry14 - 12/29/2007 10:35:09 AM

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where do I start???

Lemme see, flylow is just dumb. No business sense.

1. if you own over 50% of something, in business, its yours. You control the majority stakes.

2. can you tell me who is based in germany in F1? they all are? I assume Ferrari is too? Renault? Spyker/Force India? Redbull racing? Toro Rosso? Mclaren? Williams? The truth is, you don't know...

3. Mclaren's majority owner is Mercedes-Benz, so why is that not count as a factory team?

4. Why does Motorsport come up when we are in a Lexus posting? The only motorsport lexus does outside of Japan is the Daytona prototype engine suppliers, which they have not done too bad...

ThierryHenry14 - 12/29/2007 5:07:22 PM

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ok, explanation to #3 is a give and take... what about #s 1,2,4?

ThierryHenry14 - 12/28/2007 5:10:46 PM

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Its funny how everyone here fell for such useless headlines...

Seriously guys, its a good way to get hits on the website. If its unofficial, it means nothing. It is what it is, and when it comes out into production version, we'll see what it does or doesnt do. enough said.

But to you guys fall for the flame war tricks every time.

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ThierryHenry14 - 12/29/2007 12:04:27 AM

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That is the main reason I only comment once or twice on stupid articles. It only leads to pissing matches.

EL34 - 12/28/2007 5:20:12 PM

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If Yamaha built the engine does that mean you could drive in the car pool lane because this Lexus is half motorcycle?

:-)

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autopro - 12/29/2007 10:34:37 AMView My AgentSpace

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No, but it proves you have half a brain!

Anthony - 12/28/2007 5:33:40 PM

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Lexus has stated from the beginning that the LF-A concept was aimed at taking on the likes of Ferrari and Aston Martin GT luxury coupes. It's the SLR of the Lexus range. Of course the Lexus-hating press will pit it against the Hyundai Genesis coupe and claim the Hyundai the winner based on price...

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stash84 - 12/28/2007 7:59:42 PM

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i think that they base their opinion alot on aesthetics..and the infiniti imo wins in that category by far

ThierryHenry14 - 12/29/2007 10:37:55 AM

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which articles have infiniti beat BMW in lately?

ThierryHenry14 - 12/29/2007 4:57:35 PM

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I did say lately. M45S v. 550i was over a year old. But yes, I do know what you mean. Thats why I think pricing should never be used in comparison tests. I've said it time and time again.

Sorry, I misunderstood your statement.

0to60 - 12/28/2007 5:34:20 PM

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Both Lexus fans and German car fans suck! There! I summed it all up for everyone. That appears to be the moral of the story judging by the posts here. Geez. Calm the f down and please all bring your car preferece bias down juuuuuust a notch.

Thanks!

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enthusiastx11 - 12/29/2007 2:49:33 AM

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flylow.

sad that you need to resort to childish namecalling rather than engaging in debate...

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enthusiastx11 - 12/29/2007 2:51:53 AM

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