Yet again more proof that (german) magazines are biased towards Lexus

Dawn! that really good, I wonder what will those German nutcracker will say to this.

Lexus rule

— Lexus (View Profile)

Posted on 2/24/2007 10:45:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -8   

I can't wait until the Lexus LS600 hl come out, I would like to get own one.

— Lexus (View Profile)

Posted on 2/24/2007 10:47:53 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -8   

60-0 113ft is indeed very good!

but Toyota/Lexus are always good at braking performance.

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 2/24/2007 10:51:21 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -6   

Imagine if the European car fans were that childish.

Cool! The new Mercedes S-Class is the best! It rules!

Yeeahhh!!! Mercedes!!! Gooooo Mercedes!


Far out, I lost brain cells just typing that dribble.

— Matthew1 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/24/2007 10:51:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 10   

Actually, in regards to this article, did the journalists retrieve these figures themselves, using a data logger system, or did they just quote the Lexus LS press pack?

And what do German magazines have to do with an Autoweek article?

This article is pretty irrelevant if you ask me.

— Matthew1 (View Profile)

Posted on 2/24/2007 10:56:40 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 8   

Too bad that Car and Driver and many others have gotten pickup truck like braking distances on the LS. It is probably because of the Touring Package or something like that. But go ahead and tell Lexus owners after they experience the poor braking for themselfs.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 2/24/2007 11:14:48 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 9   

^^^^^ thx for proving my answer.

— sewingmachine (View Profile)

Posted on 2/24/2007 11:25:37 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -10   

So then is Car and Driver a German magazine.
I was pretty sure it was American.
And I'm pretty sure many other magazines that mentioned Lexus LS poor breaking were not German.

And BTW you Lexus fans tend to be very childish as Matthew pointed out.
Who cares which Luxury sedan is the best?
It is all a matter of personal taste, and for me, the Lexus just doesn't do it for me.
Everyone has their own opinion.
Accept that fact.

— audirevolution (View Profile)

Posted on 2/24/2007 11:53:13 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

You mean biased AGAINST Lexus, and TOWARDS the German cars. But even that is false.

And yes, how do you know they weren't just quoting Lexus's numbers? You see many magazines quoting manufacturers' times for 0-60mph, fuel economy, braking... one example of the manufacturer's number being wrong came up just today. Audi, always conservative when it comes to 0-60, said the R8 pulled it off in 4.6 seconds. That was done away with when Car & Driver propelled it to 60mph in just FOUR SECONDS FLAT. That's as good as what we predicted, if not better.

And, does one magazine article combat at least four or five others that have said the LS460 has horrible brakes?

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 2/25/2007 2:39:03 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Why would they be biased? What would that achieve? Do the German magazines have a share holding in Mercedes or Audi or BMW? They have no reason to be biased, and as LeMansFan says, American, French, German and British magazines have all commented on the poor braking distance. I sincerly doubt they are all biased, and it is a very childish thing to claim bias when your favourite doesn't win, no matter how many reasons there are for not winning. It's pathetic. Do the Audi fans claim bias when the A8 doesn't win? Do the BMW, Mercedes or Acura fans claim bias when their car doesn't win? No, because we can understand the car's shortcomings, and the reasons for its loss.
And you can't even get the title right, you want to say biased against lexus, not towards it. Idiot.

— Rupert (View Profile)

Posted on 2/25/2007 8:59:48 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

It is interesting to see how much outrage and defensiveness that this post has created...the ususal suspects too.

— cynic (View Profile)

Posted on 2/25/2007 12:19:58 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Will, you probably didn't read Rupert's post. Here's part of it:

"I sincerly doubt they are all biased, and it is a very childish thing to claim bias when your favourite doesn't win, no matter how many reasons there are for not winning. It's pathetic. Do the Audi fans claim bias when the A8 doesn't win? Do the BMW, Mercedes or Acura fans claim bias when their car doesn't win? No, because we can understand the car's shortcomings, and the reasons for its loss."

My words exactly.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 2/26/2007 12:19:11 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

If you want reliability built with older proven technology and gimmicks which only make the car heavier and impede on the cars driving performance, handling and braking buy a Lexus. But if you want true world wide recognized prestige with the most advanced technologies and high amounts of advance lightweight materials like magnesium combined with unmatched performance, buy a high end BMW, Mercedes or Audi. Even in Japan where I've been to twice Lexus is not regarded as highly as a Mercedes, BMW or Audi.

— 1000rrRider (View Profile)

Posted on 2/25/2007 7:15:35 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

i dont think so, car & driver had a pre production car, im not sure if anyone know what that is or read it but THEY SAID THAT. but i cant argue what these mags be saying, i know a couple of well respected mags that i like which include top gear said some real stuff that i already know. anyhow i think C&D decision was true, lexus isnt a sport luxury car, its just a luxury car that can compete wit the likes of MB, BMW n audi, simple, alot of germans dont like that a toyota can compete with there best but IT IS as far as who's the best, i give it to the driver at that dealer!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!11

— Denali (View Profile)

Posted on 2/26/2007 3:39:22 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

Yet again more proof that (lexus) fans are biased towards Lexus...


There, fixed it.

— Bill (View Profile)

Posted on 2/26/2007 12:02:23 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0