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2009 BMW X6: Perfectly pointless

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2009 BMW X6: Perfectly pointless

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Agent001 - 5/1/2008 9:55:43 PMView My AgentSpace

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Angus is a friend of mine and a super nice guy but I gotta take him to task on this story...

This article is living proof of my point, that all these writers/editors for the big car mags, have absolutely no clue what the premium customer likes or wants.

Seems they have forgotten that the customer in this ever expanding market wants style AND performance.

001



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Agent001 - 5/1/2008 9:57:06 PMView My AgentSpace

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And this customer is not afraid to want or buy something totally new and fresh.

When you can have anything you want, you get bored easily.

001

Agent001 - 5/1/2008 10:01:27 PMView My AgentSpace

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Plus, they don't want the SAME thing everyone else drives.

I just got the X6 for my Fox show tomorrow and people were surrounding it and complimenting it in the supermarket parking lot this afternoon.

001

mscottc1 - 5/1/2008 10:03:45 PM

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I agree 100%. As soon as the next of our 3 cars on lease comes due- whichever one, it's being replaced by an X6!

Alpine white with Chateau Alcantara, xDrive35i, ZSP, ZTP, ZCW, ZRC, ZPP, Active steering (have you driven one with it yet? it's as if it was designed for this car- nothing like the other active steering applications!!), 20's, etc.

Agent00J - 5/1/2008 10:41:12 PMView My AgentSpace

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Until I saw the X6 in person, I wasn't a believer, however upon seeing one I think this car will sell well.

I do think it has a short shelf life, like that of a CLS. Today's news is tomorrows yawn.

The good thing is people with money to burn on cars like the X6 have money to burn on the next hot item.

I can't wait to drive the twin turbo V8.

00J

Vendetta - 5/1/2008 11:38:36 PM

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The X6 will be old news just like the CLS.

The X6 already looks dated.

dlin - 5/2/2008 2:40:48 AM

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Not sure if BMW buyers can be called "premium customer". It's in fact quite affordable, especially now that they got 1 series.

BMW for everyone! Astonishing achievement!

How are we going to call those "Rolls-Royce, Bentley, Ferrari, Lambo, Maserati, Maybach, Aston Martin, etc" owners? I don't even know if I should put Porsche on the list.

We are all middle-class. BMW, which I happened to own also, together w/ so many other brands, won't even be on Premium customer's shopping list.

KZ258 - 5/2/2008 10:37:37 AM

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sure whatever oo1. just because this editor doesnt like the X6 means he doesnt get out much and has no idea what people want. i totally gotcha

zorbeeze - 5/2/2008 12:22:41 PM

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I have to disagree with you. Image conscious individuals will buy the X6. People who have that kind of money to buy the X6 will not because it's not practical. It doesn't perform as well as a coupe or sedan but it's not as spacious as an suv. I don't get the concept of this car. BTW it is also the most horrendous design to ever come out of BMW.

agent507 - 5/5/2008 7:09:40 AM

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dlin,

you do know that Rolls Royce is owned by BMW, Ferrari by Fiat, Bentley by Volkswagen, Lamborghini by Audi (and Audi by Volkswagen), Jaguar and Landrover by Tata, ...?

So my "premium" shopping list would be Fiat, Volkswagen, Tata, BMW, ...

agent507 - 5/5/2008 7:12:15 AM

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Oh, what I forgot to mention: You should do Porsche on that list, especially since they "own" Volkswagen (who owns Audi, who owns Lamborghini, which is on your list.)

And Maybach ist owned bei Mercedes, ...

dlin - 5/6/2008 1:59:58 AM

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Funny logic. Maybe you are just being sarcastic.

Say, Toyota buy RR one day, out of whatever reason. Does that make TOYOTA premium then?

mscottc1 - 5/1/2008 9:59:37 PM

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Here's the point. People like me who have a 2 year-old and miss their 650 cp but don't want to give up anything about how it drove & the stares that it got. Also, can you say Dinan or Vishnu performance programing changes and aprx 420HP for WAAAAYYY less than an X5 4.8?

The X6 is and will always be about style- not functionality or value. It's style & handling-- why else would the ad mantra be "a coupe above". I really like the one that says "the coupe's evil twin"...

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Batman219 - 5/1/2008 10:06:19 PM

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Its an ugly beast. Even so there's always someone out there who will love it. And if it finds a market more power to BMW.

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0to60 - 5/1/2008 10:13:38 PM

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I love it!!!

lexusis350 - 5/1/2008 11:26:10 PM

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I like it, too

lexusrox123 - 5/2/2008 9:03:23 AM

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think of head room in the back seat

0to60 - 5/2/2008 10:52:47 AM

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The back seat headroom isnt that bad. But im only 5'10

enthusiastx11 - 5/2/2008 1:00:48 PM

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batman:

have you even seen one? driven it?

it's damn good looking in person and a blast to drive.

huu76 - 5/1/2008 11:07:20 PM

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001,
If they don't want what every other pretender has, why are they driving BMW's?

Very surprised that a magazine has the balls to call the X6 exactly what it is, a stupid waste of space.

mscott,
Porsche is about style, and probably has just as much luggage room as an X6.

"BMW's marketing mavens are convinced there are enough of you out there who want an SUV that thinks it's a coupe"

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Agent001 - 5/1/2008 11:10:21 PMView My AgentSpace

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You left out the line where he starts getting ready to eat crow...

And judging by the approving looks and thumbs up grins our test X6 is generating on L.A.'s streets, it seems they might be right.

Agent001 - 5/1/2008 11:14:10 PMView My AgentSpace

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Trust your good buddy 001...

The X6 will turn out to be a real thong dropper.

001

pushrod27 - 5/2/2008 1:36:03 AM

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'... a real thong dropper.' - LOL.

I've never heard it put like that before. Now i want an X6!

mscottc1 - 5/2/2008 9:40:51 AM

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huu, I think it's evident in the other postings here that few (if any) respect you or your opinion. If you think that Porsche is just about style, then I actually pity you. I'm not saying BMW is about style, that would be stupid. the X6 IS about style and the driving experience.

001, I can hear the string sides of those thongs ripping right now...

CommonSense01 - 5/2/2008 10:17:18 AM

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A thong dropper?? Man i hate middle aged guys acting like perverts. If your game is right, you can pick up gorgeous women on the train. The first thing the Infiniti delear tells me when i ask him about the fx50, is how many women i will be able to get on a saturday night, what a clown. As much as i am trying to like this car, i see no point. 001 claims how many thumbs up hes getting, so what?? thats not an indicator of how good a car is. Insideline supposedly got more thumbs up in there pontiac G8 then any other car they tested, its new thats why. What is the point of paying 53 thousand for a stock v6 truck, thats really is useless? Why would you possibly need a contradiction on wheels? Huge exterior, tiny interior. A raised hieght but none of the advantages of an SUV. The only good reason for this truck appears to be image, and if thats the case, BMW lost me on this on, although i love my 335i.

enthusiastx11 - 5/2/2008 1:02:31 PM

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so huu, what exactly makes you an expert on the tastes of high-income urban consumers?

you have no clue. the X6 is selling like crazy.

kthor - 5/3/2008 7:48:13 PM

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CommonSense01, I think I just read that you called the X6 a V6 truck. That's funny. I can't listen to anything you say after that.

S4cabriofoxone - 5/1/2008 11:30:57 PMView My AgentSpace

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I'm sorry, but I've really grown to dislike this car. I love BMW, but I completely agree with the article. It just doesn't seem very good at anything.

Maybe I'll wait until I see it on the road.

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pushrod27 - 5/2/2008 1:37:45 AM

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If it's any good at dropping thongs, then it's worth whatever they're charging.

kthor - 5/2/2008 3:26:51 AM

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S4, the X6 has incredible handling. Dynamic Performance Control, BMW's name for torque vectoring integrated with active roll stabilization, electronic damping control, and xDrive is the real deal. It annihilates the Cayenne and others on the wet skid pad and slalom and it is quick, even with the 6 cylinder. As for space inside; it is far from cramped. Six footers can easily sit comfortably in the back and the X6 has as much storage space as the new X5 below the cargo cover. If you are the type of person who is going to load the inside of your SUV up to roof in the rear "wagon" portion then get a conventional SUV. However if you want a fast and fun vehicle with a high seating position that can carry four adults and their four golf bags take a look the X6.

mscottc1 - 5/2/2008 9:43:55 AM

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S4, you really must drive one. You owe it to yourself. I was blown away-- totally caught me off guard- it's nothing like an X5 drive, really it's closer to a 650 drive (as insane as that sounds).

BMW4me4ever - 5/2/2008 10:12:43 AMView My AgentSpace

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S4. the X6 is for someone like me. I currently own a Sport Package 2008 535i. I want a SUV, but dont want a SUV. Does that make sense? I dont have kids. Rarely do people get in the back seat of either one of my cars, although the X6 is roomy enough for me in the rear and I am 6'2". I want a SAC or SUV that is sporty and aggressive and drives like my 535i.. THat is the X6. Originally I was going to replace my 535i next year with the diesel X5, but after driving the X6 that will be my choice. It is alot more fun to drive than the X5.

CommonSense01 - 5/2/2008 10:23:36 AM

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I agree with S4cabrio. I am really trying to like this but it really does seem pointless.

bmw4me4ever

You really are limiting yourself. I also had a similar problem, except i needed more cargo room than a car can offer. So at the time i bought a fx35 (then traded for a 45) which was the sportiest truck under 60-70 thousand, so it was a good balance for me. I just cant seem to undertand why you need a car with an extra 1,300 lbs of weight?? you arent carrying anything, you dont need the room to drive poeple in the back, it seems like a pointless transition. And if you dont want to switch from BMW, just drive the 535xi wagon, and you will forget about the x6 behometh in a second, and it makes much more sense too.

BMW4me4ever - 5/2/2008 10:29:21 AMView My AgentSpace

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common sense ... the infiniti FX35 is nowhere near the vehicle of the X6. Not in drive, looks or style. The X6 is an awesome vehicle. The driving dynamics are great. It is as roomy as the 535i. I like the vehicle. I like the presence. Again, this vehicle is for me and I like the fact that it is as sporty as my 535. I sit a little higher. In regards to the catfish looking new Infinti FX, I would never buy that cause it is flat out ugly. I liked the older FX. The new one is just hideious looking. For me the X6 works. It is very limited production. It has style. Very sharp looking in person. You have to see it to appreciate it.

zorbeeze - 5/2/2008 12:27:18 PM

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"If it's any good at dropping thongs, then it's worth whatever they're charging"

If you need a car to get laid, i pity you.

CommonSense01 - 5/2/2008 12:36:28 PM

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BMW4me4ever

Why ohh why did you have to say this??

" The infiniti FX35 is nowhere near the vehicle of the X6"

Lets break it down. When you say no where near the vehicle that the x6 is, you mean what?? im glad that you are happy that a 5000lb truck has as much room as your midsize 535(which is a great car btw), but in absolute terms, that means nothing. Just because you do not like the looks of the FX, does not mean it cant compare to the X6, you have to reaqlize that looks are subjective. To me the Fx looks much better than a X6, but thats irrelavent. Drive wise, i think its the fx that will outdrive the x6. The stock xdrive35 weighs exaclt 870 lbs more than a fx35, so to say that it cant compare is foolish. Now for 53 thousand dollars i can get a xdrive35 or i can get an fx50, which will slaughter the x6. Granted the v8tt is closer in performance but will run you 25 thousand more, when similarly equiped.

bulldogz - 5/2/2008 12:39:09 PM

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"..For me the X6 works. It is very limited production."

BWAHAHAHA!!!! Yeah, real limited. My dealer had NINE on the lot ready to sell, and they quoted me less than a month to find one with the options I'd want.

Kinda like the "limited edition 1st year 1-series".

BMW4me4ever - 5/2/2008 12:53:42 PMView My AgentSpace

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Common sense ... Until you have driven both, then you dont know what you are talking about in regards to the drive and handling. For those in the Auto industry, I got the chance to drive a Infiniti FX35 vs a BMW X6 on a wet skid pad and a track. Under the same conditions and parameters. The Inifniti is nowhere near close to the BMW X6. The 6 cyl X6 is quicker, handles alot better, stops better and so on. Why would I want an imitation vs getting the real thing?

In regards to pricing, a 2008 X6 5.0 has a base price of $63k ... Comes standard with a sports pacakge. Equipped the way I like it would be just under $70k. And no, the Inifiniti doesnt compare too well the the X6. The inifinti is smaller and even thought it seats 5 in the back seat, it has less room.. Although, I dont remember the last time I had anyone sit in the back seat of either of my 330xi or 535i sedans.

Looks are subjective. There is no way that anyone can tell me that they prefer the New Infinti Fx, better than the old one in regards to the looks department.

People always bring up the price when comparing the infiniti. There is a reason it costs less than the BMW. If it was such a better car for less money, then I would have been a fool not to buy the G35x vs getting my 330xi. The BMW handles better. Has a sportier drive. Has also better fit and finish vs the G35x.

I prefer the X6 vs the infinti.

CommonSense01 - 5/2/2008 1:20:19 PM

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BMW4me4ever.

First, not only are you liying, your also making assumptions.

First, you assumption is incorrect, i drove the x6. Drove BOTH the X6 xdrive35 and the xdrive50.

second, Very unlikely you were behind the wheel of the NEW FX. Comparing the base x6 to even the old fx35 wasnt that difficult. The X6 handles better than an fx35 with sport package? Might be marginally better, in terms of grip, but you can not mask an extra 1000lbs with vectoring all wheel drive. The x6 is FASTER??? what are you smoking? A fx35 weighs 4050 lbs, the X6 weighs 4993 lbs. Now the x6 has 40lb feet more torque going to the wheels and about 15 more hp. The fx weighs about 800lbs less, has a shorter final drive ration and you want to tell me that 15hp and 40lb feet of torque can overcome that?? When i drove the x6 v6, it felt faster at the lower rom range, than a fx, but that only because it has more torque downlow, to 60 it wont be faster and thats a gaurantee, just like poeple were claiming the v8 would kill the fx50 in performance, that is untill CarAndDriver got a 5.0 second blast to 60, then everyone became silent, and it was off to the next thing, prestige.

Can you contradict yourself anymore "Looks are subjective. There is no way that anyone can tell me that they prefer the New Infinti Fx, better than the old one in regards to the looks department." I own an fx ( current generation, and i think the new one looks much better in person) so there you go, if its subjective, then why cant you believe that some light like the FX more?? and sorry to say, you were a fool to buy your 330xi over a g35xi. Ive drven both and before purchasing my 335i, i had only one thought in my head and it was how i would never buy the 335i if it wasnt for the monster engine with the ability to increase boost in the turbos. If i had to choose between the 328xi and a g35xi, g35 is hand down winner. First the fit in finish is a bit better in the BMW BUT WHO CARES, ITS LIKE A FUNERAL IN THEIR. Even in my 335i, the interior is soo boring it hurts. The g35 had a much nicer interior, with a lot more technology thats actually usable, cameras, an unbelivable navigation, hard drives and so on. Also, it kills the 328xi in every accelration test, and i nthe handling department, its a bit more raw and less buttoned down, but def more entertaining to drive then a 328xi, now why would someone spend 7 thousand dollars more on a car like that. Please tell me? is it the prestige?? the style?

CommonSense01 - 5/2/2008 1:41:52 PM

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BMW4me4ever

WOW, i really would have sparred everyone the 6 page stories, if i had previously read in your agent space that YOU WORK FOR BMW, now it all makes sense. Thanks for being objective, and good luck with that 330 sitting on 15 inch performance wheels.

BMW4me4ever - 5/2/2008 2:15:26 PMView My AgentSpace

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Common ... lets break down each of your suggestions :

About the lying aspect : News flash the X6 5.0 isnt even out yet, so how did you drive it. It will not make its US debut until July or August. How did you drive something that hasnt even been out yet? It was at the ride and drive, but not available to test it out. So unless you work for an auto magazine, you have not driven it.

Comparison to the Fx .. Yes the Fx is lighter, but the BMW Performance drive it a much more advanced system compared to the infiniti system. And at the ride and drive, we compared the current Fx35 to the X6. The new one wasnt available. The BMW has more torque and granted weighs more, but the torque is available at 1500 rpm vs the infiniti at about 4,000 rpm. Also, the X6 weighs in at 4,889 pounds ... The BMW will be alot faster than the FX35. In comparison to the FX50, the gap will be very close. BMW is claiming 0 to 60 in about 5.3 seconds and everyone know they are conservative. I would expect it to be about a dead heat in 0 to 60 with the BMW pulling away as you get into higher speeds, due to the great horsepower and broader torque range ....you mention about that I like the style of the car. Yes I do and that is important. i dont buy cars for gadgets. I buy the real things. If I want a BMW, I buy a BMW. I dont buy a vehilce trying to be a BMW. I have owned an Infiniti. I dont like the cars too much. From a performance aspect they typically dont match up well vs a BMW. Only exception is the M45. That car is fun to drive. That is best car Infiniti has in regards to driving and performance. Not Fx, not G37, not the G35, etc ...


3. 330xi vs G35x. who are you crapping? The G35x doesnt hold a candle to the 330xi. In 90% of the comparisons to the 328xi, it lost due to its lack of tightness and feel in the corners. I dont know about you, but handling is a big key to what I enjoy about a car. acceleration into a corner and how it exits. how the body translates through a turn? how the brakes feel and the confidence it brings when i push my car? I have been on a race track in the G35. When pushed the car falters. That is pretty much what every writer has stated. Also, I have a 2006 330xi sedan. Next time get that right. The G35 doesnt ride too nicely. it is a little too firm and the suspension doesnt provide ample absorbtion in normal driving. On a track it gets worse. When entering a turn the G35 pre-loads too much on the front suspension and as the weight transfers to the rear as you going thru the apex, the body rolls and makes you feel very uneasy. When this happens you have only 1 options and that is too apply brakes lightly to get the body into more control, otherwise you will lose the back end and spin thru the turn. By doing this you lose momentum and therefore slows you down too much. The BMW is alot more stable and consistent. It provides much more confidence when you enter and exit turns. Much more a predic

BMW4me4ever - 5/2/2008 2:29:43 PMView My AgentSpace

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common sense ... the 330xi with sport package comes standard with 17" wheels. only talk about what you know and not what you dont

CommonSense01 - 5/2/2008 3:00:28 PM

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1st, "its not avaialbe in the u.s", did i say i bought one?? but with a press pass, i drove an x6 v8tt and a 135i and an m3, all at the same event. Thanks.

2nd) didnt know 330xi owners get so offended when you call their car a 328.

3rd) Who are you trying to bullshit?? preload the suspension, weight transfer and so onnn... what are you talking about, you make it seem like you take this cars on the track and then drive them the same way on the street. REALLY, if performance was so important to you, you wouldnt get purchase a 330, especially with 16 or 17 inch wheels with those hugee sidewalls. How can you even have the balls to mention the straightline performance of a g35 and a 328 or 330?? Ive driven the two, you can take your BMW brainwashing techniques and apply them somewhere else. Once again, if you are actaully dumb enough to take a base 330xi with hyunda Elantra sized wheels and run flats on a track and call it a track car, its obvious how you can convince yourself that the g35 is a worse car. Yes i agree that handling is VERY improtant, but please put it into perspective, your handling a 330xi with a bit more than 250hp, its not like driving a bi-turbo v12 in sl65. I can understand if you were talking about a M3 but your talking about the bottom of the heep 3 series, you subjectiveness is funny, and definetly detracts from the logical points that you do make.

"The BMW will be alot faster than the FX35."

Im pretty sure you were one of the people yelling the same thing about the fx50 and x6 v8. This is just funny and proves fundamentaly that you do not know anything about cars or physics. A cars acceleration depends on 4 things. 1( propulsion 2)mass 3)transmission gearing and ratios 4)external forces (gravity, friction, wind and other factors). Let me break it down for you. A fx50, is 700 lbs lighter than a x6 v8, but the x6 has 70 more lb feet of torque then the fx50, and about 15 more hp. and the fx50 is faster than a x6 v8tt. Now, the fx35 is also down 15hp but is only down in torque by about 50lb feet and weighs in a about 700lbs less. Your reasiong is that it acheives the torque lower, BUT SO DOES THE X6 v8 and its not faster than its infiniti counterpart, WHATS your point? Are you clueless?? if anything they will be the same, if not a slight advantage to the FX.

BMW4me4ever - 5/2/2008 4:42:30 PMView My AgentSpace

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Commonsense .. you had a press pass. wow. still doesnt mean you can drive.

Breakdown in regards of actual numbers ....

Curb Weight ...
FX50 - 4641 X6 V8 5269 -- advantage Infiniti*

* 53%/47 Of weight is balanced to the front of the Infiniti, where BMW X6 is more balance with a 49.2/50.8 split .. The weight advantage of the Fx has been evened out do to the balance of the vehicle. Would you agree that weight balance is very important in regards to acceleration?

Engine Specs ----

Fx50 - 390 hp @ 6500 rpm X6 - 400 hp @ 5500 - 6400
- 369 lb @ 4400 rpm - 450 lb @ 1800 - 4500

** Last time I checked is acceleration is greatly improved when a car can get the max amount of torque at the earlier RPM's. In this case, the X6 will get 382 lbs @ 1800 rpm and is pretty flat til it max's at 450 lbs at 4500 rpm. In contrast, the infiniti's comes in late at 369 lbs @ 4400 rpm. Basically, just comparing the weight balance and the torque, the BMW will be quicker to 60 mph. This is if we didnt know anything else about these 2 vehicles. As everyone can see. Or do I have to spell it out for those of you in that have press passes and know it all.

Final drive ratio & Compression

FX50 - 10.9:1 Compression
- 3.538 FD

X6 - 10.3:1 Compression
- 3.64 FD

This is about a dead heat with the Fx with a higher compression ratio and the BMW with a higher Final Drive.


" 1( propulsion 2)mass 3)transmission gearing and ratios 4)external forces (gravity, friction, wind and other " You claim these are the 4 factors as to why the Fx will be faster.

a. Propulsion - The X6 has more torque through a broader RPM range and at a lower entry point. 382 lbs or torque at 1800 rpm and is pretty flat until max's out at 450 lbs @ 4500 rpm. The Fx gets most of its torque at 369 lbs @ 4400 rpm. A little kid could figure that out that the BMW should be quicker if we just base it on Horsepower & torque alone ... lets continue

B. Mass - Fx is 628 lbs lighter. Only issue is that 53% of the weight is over the front axle. Where the BMW is more balanced. Last time I checked, the best performance cars have a near perfect or very close 50/50 weight balance. Thus allowing a car to minimize how much the mass actually comes into play during acceleration. Having said this, if we where just comparing Mass & Propulsion using the actual facts I just provided, most would say the X6 will be faster.

C. Transmission gearing and ratios - This is about a dead heat. The Fx has more speeds vs the BMW, but the BMW's gear ratios are longer thus allwoing more torque to come into play. The final drive ration is also taller in the BMW. About a dead heat with these two, although the BMW even though it weighs more should actually get better fuel economy.

CommonSense01 - 5/3/2008 1:19:27 PM

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Guy im all for intelligent conversation but now your starting to sound like a spin machine for a political party. Weight ditribution affect accelration, WHAT?????? im not even gonna bother responding in detail because you obviosuly miscontrue EVERYTHING.

"Fx is 628 lbs lighter. Only issue is that 53% of the weight is over the front axle. Where the BMW is more balanced. Last time I checked, the best performance cars have a near perfect or very close 50/50 weight balance. Thus allowing a car to minimize how much the mass actually comes into play during acceleration. Having said this, if we where just comparing Mass & Propulsion using the actual facts I just provided, most would say the X6 will be faster."

Where you high when you wrote that, or do you really belive what you say. Yes the fx has an extra 2 and a half percent over its fron nose, That amounts to an extra 20 lbs over the fron nose, WHAT THE hell does that have to do with accelration. A 50/50 weight ratio gives a car better handling charcteristics, IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH aceeleration, un less its a front wheel drive car, where the weight goes to the back and front wheels loose traction. I love how you spin all of this. The 50/50 only helps when your in mid turn and you loose traction, the more balanced the car is, the easier it is to regain controll, thus i can drive my 335 tail out like a pro, if i tried that in most other cars, i would need more skill to regain controll of the car. I love how u conviently try to make it seem like the extra 20lbs on the fx nose negates the 700lb advantage. Please just stop, you taking my facts and regurgitating them in a way that makes no sense. Thats just funny that you mentioned the weight distrubion of the x6, as if its supposed to make it faster. Seriuosly guy, if your going to take facts and then try to create some weird story behind it that makes no sense, then im jsut waisting my time, i tohught you were an auto enthusiast and not a salesman, what a joke. and by the way, either motive mag or winding road, one of online publications, tested the x6 and the fx, both in the wet and got 5.4 for the x6 and 5.1 for the fx, so you need to wake up and be more objective. This is one reason people hate BMW owners, because they try to claim every bmw is supperior, AND ITS NOT, judge cars for what they are, not the badge.

golfer38 - 5/3/2008 1:37:53 PMView My AgentSpace

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Don't look now Bmw4 but you are actually comparing the incomparerable X6 to the FX Infinite. So much for the "it doesn't even compare", sounds pretty similar to me. Of course you could have been using a figure of speech, but just so you know I prefer styling and driveability of BMW over Infinite almost always. However, in this particular case I prefer the styling of the FX over the X6, and in my book its not even close. And as far as the verbal jousting between you and commonsense, its been entertaining, but just to shed some stats your way. Motortrend had the 0-60 time of the FX50 at 5.2 secs. If, and thats a big if,the X6 is quicker it would be by the tiniest of margins. Bottom line, I'm also in the business (however, I don't work for Infinite or BMW) and in my professional opinion (that's a joke), I think they are direct competitors.

CommonSense01 - 5/3/2008 3:07:50 PM

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Golfer

Thanks for being objective, offcourse they are direct competitors, he just works for bmw and will never admitt that. When i was purchasing my 335i, the salesman was trying to tell me that a 525i with its anemic engine, pleather, 16 inch wheels and nothing standard is a better car than an Infiniti m35. I wasnt really trying to verbaly joust him, its just very diffcult when you bring facts to the table and you get a responce which is worthless. Just look at my point with weight, he comes back and says that because the fx has 52 percent of its weight ditrbuted in the front, thats suppose to somehome negate the fact that its 800 lbs lighter than an X6, and the 50/50 weight distrbution will help negate the 800lbs of weight and make it accelrate faster, i just dont know what to say.

golfer38 - 5/5/2008 6:22:12 PMView My AgentSpace

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I agree with most of your points but just to clarify. I don't want to insult your intelligence but weight distribution really may or may not make a car quicker on a track but better balance can make it more predictable which makes it easier to drive at its limits. A benefit that has to do with driving feel. To some drivers, feel is more important than the actual test results. Here, BMW excells.

CommonSense01 - 5/6/2008 11:39:02 AM

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Golfer

Absolutely agree, offcourse weight ditrubtion is not only importnat but it makes a huge differnce on a track, which is reflected in ones lap times. But the difference in what BMW4ever was saying is that regardless of the 700lb disadvantage, just because the x6 has better weight distrubution, it will be quicker 0-60( he wasnt talkignabout track times). My asnwer was, unless you are talking about a front wheel drive car with a bad weight distribution, thats irrelvant when it comes to accelration. When a car lurches forward, alot of the weight shifts from front to back, for a rear wheel drive car and all wheel drive cars, this is actually an advantage because you have more weight on your back wheels thus providing better traction. So even if the fx had a 10 percent bias over its front nose, that wouldnt matter during accelration, but it would make it a front end heavy pig that understears every at the hint of a turn

golfer38 - 5/8/2008 1:18:28 PMView My AgentSpace

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I agree. I assumed BMW wouldn't be naive enough to think weight transfer had anything to do with acceleration. I just assumed he was referring to handling. Oh, and btw, I'm sure we will both agree that just because a car has better balance it doesn't neccesarily mean it will be faster around the track. I suspect that the X6 would'nt be able to make up the huge weight disadvantage.

S2000VS911 - 5/1/2008 11:48:11 PM

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still has the same question, how many people will keep one X5 & X6 both in their garage. They sell one X6 means they lost one X5 customer.

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kthor - 5/2/2008 3:28:51 AM

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How do you figure? The X5 can carry 7 passengers and X6 carries 4. They answer different performance and passenger requirements.

beetee - 5/3/2008 8:27:52 AM

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I think this car was aimed right at me. My daily driver is a Z4. I have to keep something a bit larger for practicality sake. Plus, I work in sales, so I drive a lot. The Z4 is not practical for business.

So, my two (obvious) choices are an SUV or a Sedan. Sedan doesn't give me much storage, although it is good on the road and can carry more than 2.

SUV... Eh... Too boxy, too big, too generic. In my city, they are as common as traffic. The X6 has an aggressive, unique and IMO attractive styling. In it, I can handle a Costco run, a 300 mile trip with three other adults and even a wife and kids (were I to lose my mind in the next few years).

The best part? If I want to have a bit of fun, I can.

So yeah... A sedan/small-suv sized vehicle that doesn't make you look like you wear "mom jeans" with a thin brown belt and trainers.

chewy - 5/2/2008 12:36:15 AMView My AgentSpace

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He says that it doesn't offer much extra utility over a 5 series, has less performance (with the same engine) and poorer fuel economy. All of that is true.

He says that it will probably work out sales wise (which we will soon see if it does)

Sounds like a good overview of the X6

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CLK63BlackSeries - 5/2/2008 12:39:19 AM

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The X6 makes as much sense to me as the 2 door Ford Explorer, and sadly, the Ford explorer is better looking.

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1evlaudi - 5/2/2008 1:35:48 AMView My AgentSpace

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First I agree, it is absolutely pointless.
Second, it is the equivalent, aesticaly of a Pontiac Aztec
Third, I invite whoever wants to come visit me to sit with me in a X6, and I will show them the blatant poor quality of the interior and the poor fit and finish. This a shame for a manufacturer like BMW to sell such a piece of (explicit) in the name of marketing.
But there will be takers, I know that, posers, people that want to pretend they are rich, and a lot of little princesses...

Sorry if I offend anybody but what is is what is...

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MaindrianPace - 5/2/2008 7:37:48 AM

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Yeah, fortunatley not every stereotypes as much as you, if they did then we'd have to assume ALL audi fans are as retarded as you.

gooch - 5/2/2008 9:12:04 AM

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1evlaudi, your stereotits are hanging.

auto001 - 5/2/2008 12:34:21 PM

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Remember, BMW drones are marketing geniuses, they know they could put out a pile of (explicit) with a BMW badge handing from it and still have takers lining up!

Lyall - 5/2/2008 2:00:35 AM

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Hi 001, Pleasant day here in SF, hows it in SD?

Whoever DROPS her (or his) THONG for the X6, does so only to take a DUMP at the sight of this 5500-lb misbegotten pork barrel.

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adamsaf723 - 5/2/2008 2:53:10 AM

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Honestly, they should have just replaced the X3 with this. The X3 is so ugly.

The X6 looks a lot like the 3-Series, which is probably why I like it.

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farabira1 - 5/2/2008 3:29:46 AM

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I hate to have to agree with Agent 001, because often times i have taken exception to his opinion, but sincerely luxury car owner's don't buy their car for specificity or purpose, but they buy it because want it and they are willing to make any excuse for it(A Potential buyer says to his wife: "darling, I think buying the Bentley Continental is very necessary for me, you know how hard i work and you know this car has the best safety and best comfort so i won't fall asleep and won't crash, and it has so much power that i can come back to you in a jiffy).

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MadibaP - 5/2/2008 5:14:12 AM

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horrible car... tasteless!

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JUGNU - 5/2/2008 5:49:44 AMView My AgentSpace

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Just look at the second last photo where X6 is standing near X5. X5 looks far better and normal than the abnormal and ugly looking X6.

I think X6 coustomers will be same as those who buy cars such as R classes, SL65 AMGs and even Maybach...etc.

JUGNU

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pushrod27 - 5/2/2008 6:22:45 AM

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What's wrong with the SL65 AMG??? Luxurious roadster with a folding hardtop and a 600+ bhp biturbo V12. Nothing could be more right!

993Turbo - 5/2/2008 8:25:11 AM

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What are you talking about? The X6 isn't new. Nissan's FX crossover is years old. Crossover's are for people who want SUV convenience with a more car like ride and appearance. Hatchbacks have been popular for years. This one is just a little bigger. Besides, the off road comments are ridiculous. With the exception of the range rover and the Cayenne, none of the SUVs are qualified off road.

mscottc1 - 5/2/2008 10:35:54 AM

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You summed this whole thing up by saying the X5 looks "far more normal"-- that's the point!!! I don't want a car that looks "NORMAL" in the sense that everyone else has one. Helloooo, exclusivity?? Isn't that the definition?

mpls - 5/2/2008 7:22:25 AM

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X3, X5, X6, 1 series, M1, tii ..
BMW is moving to mass and non-exclusive car manufacturer. non of those cars above have any point..
One or two SUV is enough. BMW, the new Mondeo (sales rep in a hurry)

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kthor - 5/3/2008 8:31:23 PM

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mpls, I think that by mass-market, non exclusive cars you are referring to the companies that make corrolas, altimas, civics, versas, yaris, and fits.

BMW is the complete opposite, they make cars that don't share platforms and engines with a low, cheap brand. If BMW was not exclusive then why do so many people who can't afford them complain on this website about their price.

S4cabriofoxone - 5/4/2008 12:19:05 AMView My AgentSpace

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The X5 and 1 Series have no point?

Now that's pushing it.

MaindrianPace - 5/2/2008 7:35:27 AM

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Perfectly Pointless... alot like Blog Writers!

People need to get out of the habit of thinking that because its a large 4WD vehicle that it should be good off-road and carry 7 people. What? You think the only people that buy SUV's are people with more than 2 kids? I have a 4 door saloon, but I don't have kids, I rarely have more than two people in my car, so using the anti-X6 logic saloons are pointless??

People like big cars, people like to sit high up in a large safe feeling vehicle, they like to look down on other motorists, most of them don't go off road EVER, most of them don't have 5 kids or the need for 7 seats.

Audi R8: POINTLESS: I can't get my mountain bikes in it, and it is illegal to drive over 70mph.

Rolls Royce Phantom: POINTLESS: I don't need 4 seats, and it wouldn't fit in my parking space.

I could go on.. but my point is if you over analyse any car you could regard it as pointless... by in the real-world people buy cars with their hearts and their heads not Vulcan logic!!!!!!

Fanboys of other brands are bashing this car simply because it's uncoventional, which makes it easy to poke fun at. Is it a bad car? No! Just don't but it if you need 5 seats or more! SIMPLE!




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CommonSense01 - 5/2/2008 12:42:05 PM

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Besides style THERE IS NO POINT.

Why would someone volunteer to get into a heavier car, thats jacked up on stilts, has no luggage room and seats only 4. If you dont need the things mentioned above, then why sacrifice the driving characteristics of a fun and light car for something so huge, especially when noone neeeds it???

BMW4me4ever - 5/2/2008 12:58:40 PM