Audi R8 faster than the 991 Turbo at the track!

911, not 991

— ExigeOwner (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 11:29:48 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I love the R8, its absolutly beautiful.
I doubt it could outhandle the Turbo though.

— candywhite (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 11:45:21 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 3   

Can't wait for the V10 or V12

— aalza3eem (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 11:56:29 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 4   

Sounds like Porsche is overrated too.

— SupraNeverBack (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 12:37:16 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -6   

Agree. Porsche is overrated and overpriced as well. It's another company who has marketing genius.

— Lecsucks (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 1:00:09 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: -8   

Porsche nows that if it builts a Cayman that has more power it's going to kill its 911 sales. Same thing with a more powerful Boxster. The 911 brings in so much money for porsche; it's ridiculous. I am glad that BMW doesn't think like porsche because the M3 would not exist.

— Lecsucks (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 2:14:37 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

You have to see the R8 to really experience its exotic looks.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 7:47:46 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

how is this true? The porsche was faster in every other part of the test...good job audi but I want another test before I'm handing any trophies out. V8 Vantage still looks the best.

— MBKing (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 2:13:19 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

how is this true? The porsche was faster in every other part of the test...good job audi but I want another test before I'm handing any trophies out. V8 Vantage still looks the best.

— MBKing (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 2:13:19 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

These cars are both too good. The R8 is more sensual and seems to be a better balance of luxury and performance, but the 911 is obviously a more precise machine; neither perform badly, nor do they disappoint as daily drivers.

— S4cabriofoxone (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 2:30:57 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

just by saying the name R8 makes it sound fierce

— Audi4Life (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 2:58:41 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

It isn't. I truly respect the R8 in every way, it's a mind-blowingly good looking machine but it doesn't handle like a Porsche. Every respected carnut will agree with me on this one.

As for the tracktime.. it isn't any quicker. It really isn't.

The R8 with the ceramic brake option lapped the Nürburgring in 7:51, the 911 Turbo WITHOUT PCCB and with a manual transmission did it in 7:40. Driver: Walter Rohl. Says enough.

I still think the 911 Turbo is one of the greatest cars ever made because you can use it every day. It has plenty of comfort if you switch OFF PASM and it has great visibility unlike the R8. Also I would like to point out that the AWD system used in the 911 Turbo is the lightest EVER put in a road car.

There are a few things that I don't agree with in the article:

"Spooky at the limits of adhesion"

This car drives on rails! The superlight AWD system I mentioned earlier is programmed to not allow any form of understeer and produce oversteer (which is more fun). When I read that comment the first thing that struck my mind is that the testers did not have the guts to feed it a bend at 110-120 mph. It CAN take it. Many journalists would agree with me on this one. You can get in a mighty big accident with this Porsche but it wouldn't be the car's fault.

"high interior noise levels"

If this were a negative point on the GT3 or GT3 RS then I would agree.

"Prussian ride quality"

Set PASM to comfort mode.


Eurhm.. anything I forgot to mention?

— SevorbeupstryIsBack (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 3:17:53 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

Mid engined cars will always handle better than rear engined cars. It is really impressive that Porsche has made their rear engined 911 handle as good or better than some other mid engined cars. Just take a note that the Caymans S, is faster around the Nurburing than the 997 Carrera.

— 07mcs (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 4:18:30 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 6   

porche got owned, haha.

— trd1 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 5:47:43 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The audi r8 is a great car, but it pales in comparison to the 997 911turbo, It is a differance of 60 horses, and you can't forget that the 911 turbo is a sister car of the best handling car on the planet the gt3 Rs. It's a graet car, but porsche's are not worried. I also have no faith in a guy who gets the model name that porsche has had for the last 50 years wrong.

— Jmiller44 (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 6:17:56 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I always knew that the R8 will have plenty of performance to back up its design.

This is 100% legit, its from Car and Driver. From the July issue. It will be up on the C/D web site in a week or so.

— chewy (View Profile)

Posted on 5/30/2007 7:45:25 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

As I stated before, the R8 is more then 10 seconds slower on the Nürburgring than the 911 Turbo.

There is no way an R8 is quicker on a track.

I've got nothing against American magazines but for real performance figures I think Sport Auto or AMS is more reliable since they test all of the cars on the Ring and Hockenheim. WITH the same driver.

— SevorbeupstryIsBack (View Profile)

Posted on 5/31/2007 1:46:00 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 2   

I'de definitely have to say the 997 Turbo smokes the R8, but nevertheless, the R8's body styling is sick.

— Zentox (View Profile)

Posted on 5/31/2007 1:04:24 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 5   

plus, the R8's steering was reviewed universally as lacking feel compared to Porsche.

— 993Turbo (View Profile)

Posted on 6/1/2007 9:00:57 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

I don't believe the R8 in its base form was meant to challenge the turbo 911 - the v10 will do that. But the fact that the normally aspirated v8 is even close is a real testament to the Audi's performance.

— KRAVITZ (View Profile)

Posted on 6/1/2007 10:28:44 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

The Lamborghini R8, er Audi Gallardo, sure it might win at a track or two over the 997 Turbo. Still I wouldn't mind the keys to either one.

— Sycledude (View Profile)

Posted on 6/1/2007 11:44:18 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

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^ SevorbeupstryIsBack what are nonsense times you are claiming ?!


Sport Auto Supertest Porsche 911

Porsche 997 Turbo --- 7.54 min (semi-R-tires)

Absolutely NO 7.40 Nonsense.

The R8 wasn't tested yet on the Ring.


Sport Auto Supertest Hockenheim

Porsche 997 Turbo (R-tires)--- 1.11,9 min
Audi R8 --- 1.12,7 min
Ferrari F430 --- 1.12.7 min


The R8 beat the Turbo probably because the Turbo didn't have the fancy tires R or Semi-Rs.


The 911 is a great car because it can equal and/or beat beat mid engined car.

But on a no limit all gloves are off a mid engined will always be superior.

A mid engined car has freedom in weight distribution/balancing and is a LOW POLAR INERTIA layout vs. a HIGH POLAR INERTIA layout of the the 911.

— DarkOneForce (View Profile)

Posted on 6/2/2007 9:43:18 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 0   

I'm not selling ANY nonsense here. I have multiple sources ranging from track meetings to car magazines and they all say the same. The 997 Turbo WITH MANUAL transmission and normal brakes (some are with PCCB) has a laptime of 7:40 (Rohl) ranging to 7:49 (this was the worst I've seen). Absolutely NO 7:54 which in fact is slower than its predecessor! Your not making any sense.

About the R8, you're right. Sort of at least. It hasn't been officialy tested at the ring but there are multiple non-official sources on the net that estimate it would do it in around 7:50-7:53. But probably the most reliable source is my Audi dealer who HAS an R8 R-tronic and takes it once and a while to the Ring at gets consistent laptimes of about 7:55 to 8:00. And he is a pretty good driver.

I rest my case.

— SevorbeupstryIsBack (View Profile)

Posted on 6/2/2007 1:00:42 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Here is something else to chew on: the Gallardo does the ring is exactly 7:52 and has 520 horsepower on tap..

— SevorbeupstryIsBack (View Profile)

Posted on 6/2/2007 1:41:36 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

1:38 in a 911 Turbo at Willow Springs? That is WEAK! In BMW CCA club racing, we have guys driving E30 192 hp M3s with 4 cylinders doing that type of lap time!

Look, the issue here is Willow Springs is a BIG BALLS type of track. You go off in a lot of spots and you are going to roll the car. The article made it clear that the R8 was "easier to drive" so if you are magazine driver and you need to bring it home in one piece, you are not going to push for max lap time.

In the hands of a professional driver, the Porsche 911 Turbo should be quicker. As another data point Bill Auberlen in an M5 ran a 1:33 at Willow Springs while Tommy Kendall in an E55 (or was it CLS 55) ran like 1:35 or 1:36 there. The orginal Viper Coupe ran a 1:33 at Willow Springs in a Car and Driver test.

1:38 in a 997 Turbo means they were carrying absolutely no speed through corners. That car should break the 1:30 barrier with a "real driver" at Willow Springs.

— like2short (View Profile)

Posted on 6/3/2007 12:48:28 AM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1   

Nurburgring Lap Times:

You have to be a bit careful comparing lap times at the 'Ring for a few reasons:

1. The ring is HUGE, 13 miles, so a 10 sec difference in lap time is like 1.5 sec - 2sec at most tracks we normally test on.

2. Conditions at the track vary greatly depending on weather. Parts of the track can be very fast while other parts very bad all on the same lap. It is very difficult to find the track in the same condition lap after lap. So its difficult to compare lap times when the tests are done on different days. What might be like a 1-2sec difference because of conditions at most tracks ends up being like 10 seconds at the 'ring.

3. The 'Ring is DANGEROUS. When you test there, there are no corner workers if you go off you might not be found for days. Many people die there every year (mostly motorcycle riders). I have seen an accident there, A 5 series BMW ending up on its roof. So the only way you can compare lap times are with pro drivers with a lot of experience there. Hans Stuck told me you need to drive at least 50 laps there just to figure out where you are going.

And anyways, if you guys are so worked up about lap times, get a race car and go racing. Both the 911TT and Audi R8 will bring many smiles to you driving on the street.

— like2short (View Profile)

Posted on 6/3/2007 12:51:39 PM | reply to this comment | Votes: 1